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(Washington Post)   "What will happen if Trump loses and then takes to Twitter to say he actually won? It's not hard to see how deadly that could become, particularly given that Fox News personalities are already absurdly throwing around the word 'coup'"   (washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2020-05-15 9:31:43 AM  
91 votes:
If?  Try "when".

Also, he'll be backseat driving the entirety of the next administration. It's up to the press to just ignore him once he's out of office.
 
2020-05-15 10:47:04 AM  
71 votes:

Hand Banana: SoupGuru: You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.

I wish people would stop repeating this crap. Trump cannot stop the election, not in his wildest dreams.


He also can't fire someone for investigating him. Or ignore subpoenas. Or personally profit from his office. Or intimidate witnesses.
 
2020-05-15 10:50:39 AM  
69 votes:
I'm just going to keep saying this. Trump saying he doesn't accept the election results is one of the least dangerous scenarios for this election. Trump doesn't have any power over the Electoral college and his consent is meaningless. The much more dangerous issues are Republicans suppressing votes and outright rigging elections.
 
2020-05-15 10:52:39 AM  
57 votes:
It's a legitimate concern. I don't see a full spread civil war, but if Trump loses we'll definitely see pockets of violence for awhile after.

He'll be the first president to not call the victor, he'll be the first president to not publicly concede the election. He'll talk out if both sides of his mouth denouncing violence, but calling it a rigged election, and saying the protesters are very good people.

This whole timeline is a nightmare.
 
2020-05-15 10:45:04 AM  
57 votes:

SoupGuru: You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.


I wish people would stop repeating this crap. Trump cannot stop the election, not in his wildest dreams.
 
2020-05-15 10:47:31 AM  
53 votes:
What will happen if Twitter just bans him the day he leaves office so he can't Tweet anymore.
 
2020-05-15 10:51:10 AM  
40 votes:
If he loses, the following 78 days until inauguration will be a lulu. The farking sharpie will be smoking
 
2020-05-15 9:36:52 AM  
38 votes:
You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.
 
2020-05-15 10:29:46 AM  
34 votes:

NeoCortex42: If?  Try "when".

Also, he'll be backseat driving the entirety of the next administration. It's up to the press to just ignore him once he's out of office.


It'll be hard for him to tweet from his jail cell, though.

/Shut up
//I can dream, damnit.
///it's still real to me.jpg
 
2020-05-15 10:53:20 AM  
30 votes:
Jan. 20, 2021, 12:01pm, someone instructs the secret service there is a civilian trespasser in the Oval Office/ White House who needs to escorted off the grounds.

SoupGuru: You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.


We had a presidential election during a Civil War, pretty sure we can figure out a way to handle a pandemic.

Constitutionally Trump and Pence's terms end at noon on January 20, 2021. The cabinet is also out the door that day. The terms of the House and 1/3 of the Senate end on January 1, 2021. Outside a coup by Trump, if there is no election and no House, the powers of the presidency go to the next person in the line of succession in the Senate. That wouldn't be Moscow Mitch because he is out on Jan 1 if there are no election. I'm not exactly sure how that would work but the most senior senator not up for reelection this fall appears to be Patrick Leahy (D-Vt).
 
2020-05-15 10:50:45 AM  
27 votes:

Tomoko: What will happen if Twitter just bans him the day he leaves office so he can't Tweet anymore.


Trump is the best thing to happen to Twitter ever. They won't do shiat.
 
2020-05-15 10:53:03 AM  
25 votes:

Zeb Hesselgresser: Come on, happens all the time.  We know how to deal with this.

[hips.hearstapps.com image 480x481]


Black, woman, intellectual, successful author, stateswoman, smarter than its possible for Trump to ever be.

Yup, no wonder you Trumpers are trying smearing her for no reason at all.
 
2020-05-15 11:01:32 AM  
22 votes:

RussianPotato: Why, that'd be as disastrous as all the Shillary people saying she won the popular vote and therefore should be president.


https://mashable.com/2012/11/06/trump​-​reacts-to-election/

You mean, 2012 Donald Trump, who called for a revolution when he erroneously thought Obama lost the popular vote against Romney.  The Trump who called us a total sham and a travesty.  Yeah, you support a moron for president.
 
2020-05-15 10:51:21 AM  
22 votes:

SoupGuru: Hand Banana: SoupGuru: You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.

I wish people would stop repeating this crap. Trump cannot stop the election, not in his wildest dreams.

He also can't fire someone for investigating him. Or ignore subpoenas. Or personally profit from his office. Or intimidate witnesses.


The difference is Presidential elections are run by the states, not the corrupt Trump administration.
 
2020-05-15 10:49:37 AM  
22 votes:

edmo: NeoCortex42: If?  Try "when".

Also, he'll be backseat driving the entirety of the next administration. It's up to the press to just ignore him once he's out of office.

Just how long will that old fart live anyway?


Dick Cheney is still alive. Let that sink in.
 
2020-05-15 9:54:05 AM  
21 votes:
It would cause strife, violence, and death.

Trump won't care.
 
2020-05-15 10:53:27 AM  
20 votes:
Would Fox News as a company be on board with it? I don't know about that. Sure, the most sycophantic of the Trumphumpers may be screaming "coup", like Client #3, Frau Ingraham, and Judge Lush, but I kinda suspect that Rupert Murdoch is tired of his network being a cheerleader to a pathetic moron and would be glad to switch the narrative to focusing on how Joe Biden is an even worse President that Obama.
 
2020-05-15 10:48:37 AM  
18 votes:
Once trump is no longer president, will twitter ban him? we will miss his epic rant about how his freedum of speech is being violated
 
2020-05-15 10:58:47 AM  
17 votes:

RussianPotato: Why, that'd be as disastrous as all the Shillary people saying she won the popular vote and therefore should be president.


Day late and dollar short, bucko.  You guys need to come up with another schtick.
 
2020-05-15 10:47:37 AM  
17 votes:
Then they get put down like rabid dogs.
 
2020-05-15 10:42:35 AM  
17 votes:
I'm hoping his followers try something violent and get drone striked
 
2020-05-15 11:23:16 AM  
16 votes:
I brought this point up to a Trumper yesterday.

He said Trump is sure to win cause he's doing such a good job and everything is doing so greatly...  all that.  I brought up that polls show otherwise and Biden has a big lead even in some swing states.
He said polls are rigged and fake news and Biden won't ever win.
I ask "And if he does?" And he says the election was rigged. So then I say "so if Trump wins it's not rigged, but if Biden does, it is rigged?"
He says yes. So I ask why did the GOP and Trump shoot down the election security bills the Dems tried to pass.

He smokebombed and ranted nonsense

It's funny that logic actually hurts their brains. You can see it in their faces as it hits them.
 
2020-05-15 11:16:15 AM  
16 votes:

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: I'm hoping his followers try something violent and get drone striked


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Nah.  Armed loonies don't get drone striked.  I'm considering open carrying to envrionmentalist events.  We might really be missing a point on this "gun" thing.
 
2020-05-15 10:55:45 AM  
16 votes:
The coup by Trump and his supporters will be a success. Who will stop him? Law enforcement and the military are overrun with white supremacists. I can't even recall the last time I saw a cop in the news that wasn't a roided out skinhead.
 
2020-05-15 10:53:25 AM  
16 votes:
Remember that time WikiLeaks encouraged Trump Jr. to encourage his dad not to concede if he lost in 2016?

WikiLeaks didn't write again until Election Day, November 8, 2016. "Hi Don if your father 'loses' we think it is much more interesting if he DOES NOT conceed [sic] and spends time CHALLENGING the media and other types of rigging that occurred-as he has implied that he might do," WikiLeaks wrote at 6:35pm, when the idea that Clinton would win was still the prevailing conventional wisdom. (As late as 7:00pm that night, FiveThirtyEight, a trusted prognosticator of the election, gave Clinton a 71 percent chance of winning the presidency.) WikiLeaks insisted that contesting the election results would be good for Trump's rumored plans to start a media network should he lose the presidency. "The discussion can be transformative as it exposes media corruption, primary corruption, PAC corruption, etc.," WikiLeaks wrote.
 
2020-05-15 10:57:48 AM  
15 votes:

SoupGuru: Hand Banana: SoupGuru: You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.

I wish people would stop repeating this crap. Trump cannot stop the election, not in his wildest dreams.

He also can't fire someone for investigating him. Or ignore subpoenas. Or personally profit from his office. Or intimidate witnesses.


The states run the elections. It's hard to see how Trump could stop them, especially since he's far too lazy to follow through on whatever plan COULD do it.

The bigger problem is going to be that they will run, the pandemic will be back, and either vote-by-mail will not have been implemented or implemented in a completely deficient way so that people end up having to vote in person or not have their votes counted, so the election is seen as broadly illegitimate regardless of the outcome.
 
2020-05-15 10:45:23 AM  
15 votes:
I think the simple answer to this question is that Trump saying something on Twitter does not make for official election results.

Whether he does it on Twitter, the news, Fox, OANN, or anywhere else, of course he is going to declare victory no matter what.  Even if he loses in a landslide.

But none of that will change the actual election results.
 
2020-05-15 11:02:11 AM  
14 votes:
I fear how much damage that he and the Republicans will try to do once they lose.
 
2020-05-15 10:55:53 AM  
14 votes:
Johnson screwed the pooch with Vietnam, so he didn't seek a second term.  Trump could not have farked up the virus response any more if he tried (he didn't try, at all), and now Trump has nothing to run on.

He can be smart, and drop out, but he's not smart.
 
2020-05-15 10:29:03 AM  
14 votes:

NeoCortex42: If?  Try "when".

Also, he'll be backseat driving the entirety of the next administration. It's up to the press to just ignore him once he's out of office.


Just how long will that old fart live anyway?
 
2020-05-15 11:01:00 AM  
13 votes:
What will happen?   A bunch of overweight middle-aged white rednecks will die, that's what will happen.
 
2020-05-15 10:57:59 AM  
13 votes:

Hand Banana: SoupGuru: Hand Banana: SoupGuru: You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.

I wish people would stop repeating this crap. Trump cannot stop the election, not in his wildest dreams.

He also can't fire someone for investigating him. Or ignore subpoenas. Or personally profit from his office. Or intimidate witnesses.

The difference is Presidential elections are run by the states, not the corrupt Trump administration.


Correct. Also, if there is no election, Donnie gets evicted at noon on 1/20/21. It would not be in his interest to cancel the election even if he could. No election means no chance at all for another four years of grifting.
 
2020-05-15 11:37:08 AM  
12 votes:

SoupGuru: I don't think you guys are thinking outside the box enough. I mean, it will be amazing how many instances of election fraud and tampering and conspiracies are happening in Democratically leaning districts so the FBI will be needed to cordon off the polling places through election day. Vote by mail, turns out the Post Office can't meet their obligations and will need to furlough most of the work force. Martial law, anyone on the streets will be arrested. Poll workers all arrested. And the election will come out in Trumps favor and there will be lawsuits and he'll be president while it works its way through the courts.


It won't be the FBI blocking key polling locations...it will be armed freedom fighters like the ones we are seeing in MI right now.    They will take their massive guns and harrass minority voters in swing states.

And president Trump will say the violence is awful on both sides...just awful.   But many are saying that illegals are overrunning our elections and must be stopped.   Many people!


Then,  when he wins re-election and stacks the Supreme Court,  the 14th amendment will be reinterpreted to strip millions of their voting rights and make voting impossibly hard for millions more.


This is the future we are fighting against!
 
2020-05-15 10:53:15 AM  
12 votes:

edmo: NeoCortex42: If?  Try "when".

Also, he'll be backseat driving the entirety of the next administration. It's up to the press to just ignore him once he's out of office.

Just how long will that old fart live anyway?


Cheney has proven, if you're evil and corrupt enough then Hell doesn't want you and never comes to collect, so you become immortal.
 
2020-05-15 11:41:16 AM  
10 votes:

damageddude: Jan. 20, 2021, 12:01pm, someone instructs the secret service there is a civilian trespasser in the Oval Office/ White House who needs to escorted off the grounds.

SoupGuru: You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.

We had a presidential election during a Civil War, pretty sure we can figure out a way to handle a pandemic.

Constitutionally Trump and Pence's terms end at noon on January 20, 2021. The cabinet is also out the door that day. The terms of the House and ⅓ of the Senate end on January 13, 2021. Outside a coup by Trump, if there is no election and no House, the powers of the presidency go to the next person in the line of succession in the Senate. That wouldn't be Moscow Mitch because he is out on Jan 1 if there are no election. I'm not exactly sure how that would work but the most senior senator not up for reelection this fall appears to be Patrick Leahy (D−Vt).

Two corrections:

#1, The Cabinet does not disband when the administration who appointed them ends. There is nothing in the Constitution stating when they leave office. It's tradition that the Cabinet secretaries and A.G. all submit their resignations en masse to the incoming President on Inauguration Day. and those resignations are usually accepted. In rare occasions, the new President may reject the resignation and keep a competent Cabinet secretary in office even if from the opposing party. The point, though, is that their terms do not automatically end.

#2, Moscow Miatch McQuisling is not in the line of secession at all. The Senate Majority Leader is not a Constitutionally mandated office (unlike Speaker of the House), and shouldn't even exist, let alone wield the powers Miatch has been so horrifically abusing. Those powers rightly belong to the President pro tempore of the Senate, which is a Constitutionally mandated office and is in the line of secession (currently after Speaker of the House, who is after the Vice President).

Patrick Leahy would, in the absence of a court case challenging this, become the Acting President should the elections not be held because about ⅔ of the ⅓ of the departing Senators (including Moscow Miatch) are Republicans, and that would leave a Democratic majority among the remaining ⅔, and traditionally the most senior Senator of the majority Party becomes President pro tempore (right now that's Chuck Grassley and until the current Congress it was Orrin Hatch, but the GOP would lose their majority so it'd be Leahy). However, the Senate could vote anyone in as President pro tempore and that person would become Acting President, then the Senate would need to elect someone else as new President pro tempore.

There is some dispute about whether the Laws of Secession including the 1947 (IIRC) one currently in effect, are Constitutional, since they place Legislative Branch personnel (SotH, then PPTotS as of the 1947 law, those two reversed prior to that) in the line of secession, and that violates Separation of Powers. However, the Framers apparently didn't consider Separation of Powers quite as important as is often thought, since they had the Vice President also be President of the Senate (the PPTotS is basically his stand-in ― the Vice President's Vice President wrt the Senate, if you will ― that being what "pro tempore" means in this sense), and that's one man holding not just membership, but leadership, positions in two Branches (why!?). Also, whoever ascends to the Presidency other than the V.P., through vacancies in both, becomes merely Acting President, not actual President, which further weakens this argument (the main difference is that that person would not go down in history as POTUS #46, but rather APOTUS #1 ― when the situation is resolved and a proper President properly elected, that person would be #46, not #47).

Still, though, that dispute means that the 1947 law could be challenged, and with Trump / Federalist Society flunkies filling ⅓ of the Federal judgeships including a couple on SCOTUS thanks to Moscow Miatch such a challenge could well succeed, the PPTotS could be removed from the line of secession on the grounds of being Legislative Branch. Should that succeed, because the Cabinet would still be in office, say hello to Acting President Pompeo.
 
2020-05-15 11:35:46 AM  
10 votes:
Republicans no longer acknowledge the legitimacy of non-Republican rule.  The nation is going to find that out very quickly if the Democrats manage to regain majority power.  It's 1860 all over again, though it won't be a clearly defined civil war so much as mass outbreaks of right-wing terrorism.
 
2020-05-15 11:19:21 AM  
10 votes:

RussianPotato: Why, that'd be as disastrous as all the Shillary people saying she won the popular vote and therefore should be president.


Nobody said that she should be president because she won the popular vote - they pointed out that the electors in Electoral College could choose to go with the winner of the popular vote instead of the traditional and historical practice of voting for the winner of the state. It was never going to happen - and no one expected it to happen. That's disingenuous. But it did create a lot of discussion about how outdated the EC has become. Sorry - that's how intellect works in groups.
 
2020-05-15 11:10:04 AM  
10 votes:

RussianPotato: RyogaM: RussianPotato: Why, that'd be as disastrous as all the Shillary people saying she won the popular vote and therefore should be president.

https://mashable.com/2012/11/06/trump-​reacts-to-election/

You mean, 2012 Donald Trump, who called for a revolution when he erroneously thought Obama lost the popular vote against Romney.  The Trump who called us a total sham and a travesty.  Yeah, you support a moron for president.

Morons better than a senile husk of a corpse.  Have you seen Biden lately?

/doesn't he look tired?


Not nearly as tired as your posts.
 
2020-05-15 11:06:21 AM  
10 votes:
Hey Twitter....remove this farking account
 
2020-05-15 11:03:53 AM  
10 votes:

Action Replay Nick: The coup by Trump and his supporters will be a success. Who will stop him? Law enforcement and the military are overrun with white supremacists. I can't even recall the last time I saw a cop in the news that wasn't a roided out skinhead.


Why do you insist upon treating this incompetent boob like a brilliant supervillain? His only real power comes from people who refuse to see him as the bad joke he is, and take him seriously. He's not an evil genius or a master tactician. He's a film-flam man, and you're just another sucker.
 
2020-05-15 10:58:40 AM  
10 votes:

RussianPotato: Why, that'd be as disastrous as all the Shillary people saying she won the popular vote and therefore should be president.


And your wide would still be all in for it, because you're a party of traitors and quislings.
 
2020-05-15 10:53:43 AM  
10 votes:

SoupGuru: Hand Banana: SoupGuru: You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.

I wish people would stop repeating this crap. Trump cannot stop the election, not in his wildest dreams.

He also can't fire someone for investigating him. Or ignore subpoenas. Or personally profit from his office. Or intimidate witnesses.


Those things are very different and it's really tiring seeing people try to use them to justify "Trump can do anything". It allows people to pretend Trump is some sort of dangerous outlier and ignore that the problem is that America is a failed state.

Let me know when Trump has his "Mr. Marshall has made his decision. Now let him enforce it" moment.

It's also really stupid to keep repeating this nonsense because Trump wants there to be an election. He's certain that Republican vote suppression efforts will just make him win. And the pandemic is a bonus, since the maga chuds either think the virus isn't real or don't care if they die voting for Trump.
 
2020-05-15 10:51:09 AM  
10 votes:

aug3: Once trump is no longer president, will twitter ban him? we will miss his epic rant about how his freedum of speech is being violated


They really should ban him if they had any morals. It won't change the fact that the GOP is trying to kill us all, but it would be nice if we could just ignore trump while they do so.
 
2020-05-15 12:12:26 PM  
9 votes:
Here's my nightmare scenario: Trump and the Republican establishment keep pushing the "Polls and election results are fake news unless they skew red" mantra on their followers, right up to election day. Trump has no choice in the matter. He is a malignant narcissist who lacks the capability of self doubt. Trump loses massively in the popular vote, but the electoral college count is very close, and there are states requiring a recount, electronic voting boxes with faulty readings, and so on. Trump rants about election fraud on twitter, uses phrases like "boogaloo" and relevant QAnon code words, because the Twitterverse is Trumps world now.There are plenty of right wing nut jobs out there in the boonies who have been hoarding guns and ammo for decades for just such an occasion. The misconception I tend to hear from Liberals is that such an uprising would be a simple matter of sending in the Army, or drone strikes. How simple was it to put down an insurrection in Afghanistan?If a right wing insurrection were to occur, a pandemic that destroyed the rural economy beyond hope of repair would be the perfect time to start one. Instead of forming up in ranks to be gunned down, the insurgents could do massive damage to our already crumbling infrastructure by cutting RR tracks, cutting levees, cell phone towers, power lines. bridges. Remember, there are tons of explosive available to rural folks with enough diesel and fertilizer and a recipe downloaded off the Internet.It is important to note that the Armed Forces, particularly the National Guard, is full of right wing nutjobs who joined so they could have access to military hardware and training when the "boogaloo" starts. It is so common,it has become a trope.
 
2020-05-15 11:05:41 AM  
9 votes:

Your_Huckleberry: Trump "refusing to leave" has been one of Bill Maher's mantras for years now. I'd swear he's asked virtually every guest he's had on "what's the plan?" When he declares the election a fraud and refuses to leave. Most of the time, people have kinda laughed him off.
One conservative talk show host (can't remember his name) flat out said the GOP would drag Trump out if he did that. Maher didn't believe him.



Even if he leaves but continues to tweet and comment about how the election was stolen, he can do plenty of damage. That damage will be rewarded handsomely by his Russian handlers. It will also work to his advantage to try and stall any investigations of his crimes.
 
2020-05-15 11:47:04 AM  
8 votes:

RyogaM: RussianPotato: RyogaM: RussianPotato: Why, that'd be as disastrous as all the Shillary people saying she won the popular vote and therefore should be president.

https://mashable.com/2012/11/06/trump-​reacts-to-election/

You mean, 2012 Donald Trump, who called for a revolution when he erroneously thought Obama lost the popular vote against Romney.  The Trump who called us a total sham and a travesty.  Yeah, you support a moron for president.

Morons better than a senile husk of a corpse.  Have you seen Biden lately?

/doesn't he look tired?

Not as tired as the moron you support.  87,000 dead due to the moron. And Trump is the one who said Hillary should have been president if she won the popular vote.  I love how you ignore that amazing display of stupidity, hypocrisy and inability to hold his shiat together.  He truly reflects his supporters.


I love the Biden is too old mantra - they're both too old - one just fools idiots with his dime store hair dye and by painting his skin orange.  Given that their both well past their prime, that's a wash, and all of the other evidence in the world points to Biden being much more fit to run the US
 
2020-05-15 11:30:43 AM  
8 votes:
I have no doubt Trump will not concede, and will whip his supporters into a violent defense. You think the Secret Service will eject Trump, when there's 10,000 armed Trumpers surrounding the White House?

There will be assassinations of Democratic congressmen/women. There will be assassinations of Democratic governors. There will be armed militias roaming, with little scrutiny from police. Do not underestimate the level of cult commitment these fascists have for their Dear Leader.
 
2020-05-15 11:29:52 AM  
8 votes:

BMulligan: Action Replay Nick: The coup by Trump and his supporters will be a success. Who will stop him? Law enforcement and the military are overrun with white supremacists. I can't even recall the last time I saw a cop in the news that wasn't a roided out skinhead.

Why do you insist upon treating this incompetent boob like a brilliant supervillain? His only real power comes from people who refuse to see him as the bad joke he is, and take him seriously. He's not an evil genius or a master tactician. He's a film-flam man, and you're just another sucker.


The problem is not Trump himself specifically. The problem is his enablers. He has a lot of enablers and a not insignificant number of them are in positions of authority.
 
2020-05-15 11:21:42 AM  
8 votes:

Diogenes: Texas Gabe: Zeb Hesselgresser: Come on, happens all the time.  We know how to deal with this.

[hips.hearstapps.com image 480x481]

Black, woman, intellectual, successful author, stateswoman, smarter than its possible for Trump to ever be.

Yup, no wonder you Trumpers are trying smearing her for no reason at all.

Seriously.  Only another MAGAt would understand the supposed point he's trying to make.  But it probably just boils down to:  "Deflect to scary black woman."


And notice that Zeb Cousinscrewer doesn't even have the lady balls to come back an defend their "statement"? What a cowardly little snowflake.
 
2020-05-15 11:06:07 AM  
8 votes:
I asked that question a few days ago.  I keep hearing Kosh answering "in fire" in my mind.
 
2020-05-15 11:04:36 AM  
8 votes:
At 12:00:01pm on January 20, the US Secret Service and Capitol Police should treat him no differently any other unauthorized, deranged individual that managed to get into the Oval Office.
 
2020-05-15 10:56:59 AM  
8 votes:
Just farking vote him out first, ok?
 
2020-05-15 10:46:58 AM  
8 votes:

Bootleg: NeoCortex42: If?  Try "when".

Also, he'll be backseat driving the entirety of the next administration. It's up to the press to just ignore him once he's out of office.

It'll be hard for him to tweet from his jail cell, though.

/Shut up
//I can dream, damnit.
///it's still real to me.jpg


The NYAG isn't going to SCOTUS to for happy fun times
 
2020-05-15 11:11:42 AM  
7 votes:

RussianPotato: RyogaM: RussianPotato: Why, that'd be as disastrous as all the Shillary people saying she won the popular vote and therefore should be president.

https://mashable.com/2012/11/06/trump-​reacts-to-election/

You mean, 2012 Donald Trump, who called for a revolution when he erroneously thought Obama lost the popular vote against Romney.  The Trump who called us a total sham and a travesty.  Yeah, you support a moron for president.

Morons better than a senile husk of a corpse.  Have you seen Biden lately?

/doesn't he look tired?


Not as tired as the moron you support.  87,000 dead due to the moron. And Trump is the one who said Hillary should have been president if she won the popular vote.  I love how you ignore that amazing display of stupidity, hypocrisy and inability to hold his shiat together.  He truly reflects his supporters.
 
2020-05-15 11:06:30 AM  
7 votes:

NeoCortex42: If?  Try "when".

Also, he'll be backseat driving the entirety of the next administration. It's up to the press to just ignore him once he's out of office.


"If" applies to whether he loses. He's gonna whine about the other side cheating either way.
 
2020-05-15 11:05:53 AM  
7 votes:
we arrest them for sedition.
 
2020-05-15 10:57:59 AM  
7 votes:
TFA linked to a photo that sums up the situation nicely.
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2020-05-15 12:24:50 PM  
6 votes:

Psychopompous: Here's my nightmare scenario: Trump and the Republican establishment keep pushing the "Polls and election results are fake news unless they skew red" mantra on their followers, right up to election day. Trump has no choice in the matter. He is a malignant narcissist who lacks the capability of self doubt. Trump loses massively in the popular vote, but the electoral college count is very close, and there are states requiring a recount, electronic voting boxes with faulty readings, and so on. Trump rants about election fraud on twitter, uses phrases like "boogaloo" and relevant QAnon code words, because the Twitterverse is Trumps world now.There are plenty of right wing nut jobs out there in the boonies who have been hoarding guns and ammo for decades for just such an occasion. The misconception I tend to hear from Liberals is that such an uprising would be a simple matter of sending in the Army, or drone strikes. How simple was it to put down an insurrection in Afghanistan?If a right wing insurrection were to occur, a pandemic that destroyed the rural economy beyond hope of repair would be the perfect time to start one. Instead of forming up in ranks to be gunned down, the insurgents could do massive damage to our already crumbling infrastructure by cutting RR tracks, cutting levees, cell phone towers, power lines. bridges. Remember, there are tons of explosive available to rural folks with enough diesel and fertilizer and a recipe downloaded off the Internet.It is important to note that the Armed Forces, particularly the National Guard, is full of right wing nutjobs who joined so they could have access to military hardware and training when the "boogaloo" starts. It is so common,it has become a trope.


THIS.  This is what the next civil war is going to be.  Not red states fighting it out with blue states, but a gradual decline in the ability of the government to provide basic security, services, and stability in more and more areas.
 
2020-05-15 12:19:07 PM  
6 votes:
/dnrtfa

This is my biggest concern. And I've said it multiple times. If he wins, as a country, we're farked. If he loses, as a country, we're farked. There's millions of people that are heavily armed and frothing at the mouth to kill something or somebody that's making their life suck. They're too too stupid understand it's the government they keep putting in charge. It's much easier to blame blacks and gays and immigrants and liberals
 
2020-05-15 11:42:57 AM  
6 votes:

RasIanI: RussianPotato: Why, that'd be as disastrous as all the Shillary people saying she won the popular vote and therefore should be president.

Nobody said that she should be president because she won the popular vote - they pointed out that the electors in Electoral College could choose to go with the winner of the popular vote instead of the traditional and historical practice of voting for the winner of the state. It was never going to happen - and no one expected it to happen. That's disingenuous. But it did create a lot of discussion about how outdated the EC has become. Sorry - that's how intellect works in groups.



There's a current SC case regarding the EC, Justice Thomas said the following:

In a line of hypothetical questioning during Wednesday oral arguments on the Electoral College, Justice Clarence Thomas brought up the hobbit from the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy in a case that would decide whether states can bind presidential electors to vote for the state's popular-vote winner.

Thomas has drawn attention over the past two weeks for asking more questions during the court's new pandemic-prompted telephone system during oral arguments than he has asked for more than a decade in the courtroom. On Wednesday, when posing a hypothetical to Jason Harrow, representing a so-called faithless elector from Colorado, the newly loquacious justice used Baggins as a case study.

Harrow was in the midst of making the argument that electors are best placed to make the ultimate decision for whom to cast their vote. But Thomas was poised to poke a hole in his argument, armed with characters from J.R.R. Tolkien's work.

"The elector who had promised to vote for the winning candidate could suddenly say, you now, I'm going to vote for Frodo Baggins. I really like Frodo Baggins. And you're saying, under your system, you can't do anything about that," Thomas said.

Harrow was quick to point out to the justice that Frodo Baggins is not a human.
"Your honor, I think there is something to be done, because that would be a vote for a non-person. No matter how big a fan many people are of Frodo Baggins," Harrow said.

"I do think the important point is that the framers hashed out these competing concerns," he added. "They understood the stakes and they said among these competing hypotheticals, electors are best placed to make the ultimate selection. That hasn't changed."


This is the world we live in, where you have to use a Hobbit to make your point.
 
2020-05-15 11:31:58 AM  
6 votes:

HerptheDerp: edmo: NeoCortex42: If?  Try "when".

Also, he'll be backseat driving the entirety of the next administration. It's up to the press to just ignore him once he's out of office.

Just how long will that old fart live anyway?

Cheney has proven, if you're evil and corrupt enough then Hell doesn't want you and never comes to collect, so you become immortal.


Kissenger proved it first. That genocidal asshole is still polluting the earth.
 
2020-05-15 11:30:38 AM  
6 votes:

HansoSparxx: BMulligan: SoupGuru: You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.

Oh, FFS.

You would be wise to consider the fact that he is going to try his best to prevent an election from happening and historically speaking - Nobody is going to stop him.


An election? There are 50 of 'em - plus the territories. He will actively try to suppress turnout, but he can't cancel 'the election' - it's not one - its several dozen of them.
 
2020-05-15 11:22:58 AM  
6 votes:
Everyone should be prepared for the likelihood an idiot neighbor or two is going to pull some crazy shiat and hope that they don't form small packs
 
2020-05-15 11:11:44 AM  
6 votes:
If violence erupted, then the government needs to seriously consider curbing Fox News somehow, and other sites/sources like that.

Not sure how you do that with the whole free speech thing, but we gotta find someway to clamp down on organizations that specifically spin news to get a base all worked up.
 
2020-05-15 11:09:42 AM  
6 votes:

Texas Gabe: Zeb Hesselgresser: Come on, happens all the time.  We know how to deal with this.

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Black, woman, intellectual, successful author, stateswoman, smarter than its possible for Trump to ever be.

Yup, no wonder you Trumpers are trying smearing her for no reason at all.


Seriously.  Only another MAGAt would understand the supposed point he's trying to make.  But it probably just boils down to:  "Deflect to scary black woman."
 
2020-05-15 11:07:05 AM  
6 votes:

baron von doodle: TFA linked to a photo that sums up the situation nicely.
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2020-05-15 10:53:48 AM  
6 votes:

SoupGuru: You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.


Oh, FFS.
 
2020-05-15 11:44:46 AM  
5 votes:

COMALite J: damageddude: Jan. 20, 2021, 12:01pm, someone instructs the secret service there is a civilian trespasser in the Oval Office/ White House who needs to escorted off the grounds.

SoupGuru: You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.

We had a presidential election during a Civil War, pretty sure we can figure out a way to handle a pandemic.

Constitutionally Trump and Pence's terms end at noon on January 20, 2021. The cabinet is also out the door that day. The terms of the House and ⅓ of the Senate end on January 13, 2021. Outside a coup by Trump, if there is no election and no House, the powers of the presidency go to the next person in the line of succession in the Senate. That wouldn't be Moscow Mitch because he is out on Jan 1 if there are no election. I'm not exactly sure how that would work but the most senior senator not up for reelection this fall appears to be Patrick Leahy (D−Vt).
Two corrections:

#1, The Cabinet does not disband when the administration who appointed them ends. There is nothing in the Constitution stating when they leave office. It's tradition that the Cabinet secretaries and A.G. all submit their resignations en masse to the incoming President on Inauguration Day. and those resignations are usually accepted. In rare occasions, the new President may reject the resignation and keep a competent Cabinet secretary in office even if from the opposing party. The point, though, is that their terms do not automatically end.

#2, Moscow Miatch McQuisling is not in the line of secession at all. The Senate Majority Leader is not a Constitutionally mandated office (unlike Speaker of the House), and shouldn't even exist, let alone wield the powers Miatch has been so horrifically abusing. Those powers rightly belong to the President pro tempore of the Senate, which is a Constitutionally mandated office and is in the line of secession (currently after Speaker of the House, who is after the Vice President).

Patrick Leahy would, in the abs ...


This was very informative and helpful information but I think your spellcheck is a civil war revisionist.
 
2020-05-15 10:59:47 AM  
5 votes:

NeoCortex42: If?  Try "when".

Also, he'll be backseat driving the entirety of the next administration. It's up to the press to just ignore him once he's out of office.


This

For all the ideals any country has it all boils down to who's willing to fight for their world view more.

One 1/3 will fight for American values, 1/3 will fight against Americans values and 1/3 will stay home.

President Lysol's base is and always will be 1/3
The revolutionary war was won by 1/3 of  colonialists.

Pick a side
 
2020-05-15 10:55:39 AM  
5 votes:

Tomoko: What will happen if Twitter just bans him the day he leaves office so he can't Tweet anymore.


If you work for Twitter then Trump is the best thing that ever happened for your platform.  They'd never ban him, he's too good for clicks.
 
2020-05-15 10:45:50 AM  
5 votes:
Come on, happens all the time.  We know how to deal with this.

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2020-05-15 2:44:11 PM  
4 votes:

Tomoko: What will happen if Twitter just bans him the day he leaves office so he can't Tweet anymore.


They're not going to give up that amount of click revenue/traffic.  They could have heeled the dog years ago.
 
2020-05-15 12:47:17 PM  
4 votes:

odinsposse: I'm just going to keep saying this. Trump saying he doesn't accept the election results is one of the least dangerous scenarios for this election. Trump doesn't have any power over the Electoral college and his consent is meaningless. The much more dangerous issues are Republicans suppressing votes and outright rigging elections.


I think if he loses, there will be bloodshed. And he'll encourage it. Not because it will change the result, but because it would be such an ego boost for him to watch Americans kill each other for him.
 
2020-05-15 12:35:57 PM  
4 votes:
Stop the Coup, Vote Blue!


GOP has been practicing their coup since the "Southern Strategy", pandering a base of farking racist morons, and religious nut cases, fark those anti-American Fascists.
 
2020-05-15 12:32:17 PM  
4 votes:

RasIanI: inglixthemad: NeoCortex42: If?  Try "when".

Also, he'll be backseat driving the entirety of the next administration. It's up to the press to just ignore him once he's out of office.

Honestly, I doubt he'd follow through. First off it could (would) generate a lot of terminal problems for himself, and Pence, from the military.

Let's say that doesn't happen. There'd be a lot of pissed off libs spoiling for a fight if he riled up his base to engage in conflict, and I don't mean words or spitballs. He'd find out how little Meal Team Six is worth in a fight, very, very,  quickly.

If he loses he is going to troll non-stop. Especially if SDNY is making his life miserable.


Trolling is one thing, courting armed insurrection is another thing entirely. Let's say he's on his way out of office and riling up armed insurrection. At that point he'd find out that there are limits to Secret Service protection, and him being an idiot won't help them protect him at all. That's assuming one of the Secret Service doesn't decide to put an end to it for the good of the country.

However let us say that he is sitting there troll-tweeting riling up Meal Team Six to be belligerent and violent. The problem for him is Meal Team Six really are a bunch of wannabe losers. The outright racist or other conservative a$$hats (e.g. the Proud Boys) might be "spoiling for a fight with the libs" but we all know how it works. We show up, they tuck tail and run because they're outnumbered.

The reason these idiots are such squeaky wheels is that they know they're in the minority in regards to public opinion. Doubly so for the outright Nazi/Racist a$$hats. All it will take is a couple episodes of actual violence after he loses, and you'll see more liberal groups start showing up armed like the Black Panthers. Conservatives have this fantasy, Schrödinger's libruls, that are simultaneously wimpy snowflakes and terrifying thugs. This will be their undoing.

One "protest" will start. They will be met, again, by a group of durty libz counter-protesting. However one, or a few, deluded members of Meal Team Six/Proud Boys/Nazis will decide now is the time for their (culture / race) war, and open fire. A few durty libz will be killed, and that will be the harbinger of things they don't expect. The next time they will then be facing armed durty libz, who will likely be better shots than they are, ready to kill them at the first sign of violence. In that moment, the Meal Team Six racists/fascists, the "Proud Boys", et al., will find out the moment they step out of line and start violence is the moment they forfeit their lives.

Us durty old libz try to be decent people, good Americans, following the Constitution. We allow that people may have different views we may consider wrong. We don't mind if they march, et al., peaceably no matter how much we think the ideas they're espousing are wrong-headed or even hate-filled / blindly stupid. Don't push us with violence, however, it's not going to generate a good response.
 
2020-05-15 12:09:03 PM  
4 votes:
Meh. I prefer voting to shooting  but I can do both. Whatever happens, happens.
 
2020-05-15 12:02:19 PM  
4 votes:

keytronic: SoupGuru: I don't think you guys are thinking outside the box enough. I mean, it will be amazing how many instances of election fraud and tampering and conspiracies are happening in Democratically leaning districts so the FBI will be needed to cordon off the polling places through election day. Vote by mail, turns out the Post Office can't meet their obligations and will need to furlough most of the work force. Martial law, anyone on the streets will be arrested. Poll workers all arrested. And the election will come out in Trumps favor and there will be lawsuits and he'll be president while it works its way through the courts.

It won't be the FBI blocking key polling locations...it will be armed freedom fighters like the ones we are seeing in MI right now.    They will take their massive guns and harrass minority voters in swing states.

And president Trump will say the violence is awful on both sides...just awful. But many are saying that illegals are overrunning our elections and must be stopped. Many people!

Then,  when he wins re-election and stacks the Supreme Court, the 14th amendment will be reinterpreted to strip millions of their voting rights and make voting impossibly hard for millions more.

This is the future we are fighting against!

Forget the Supreme Court and 14th Amendment. They're going after the whole Constitution. The real goal isn't to keep Trump in power. That's just a bonus. The real goal is to take over the State legislatures. If they get ⅔ of the State legislatures, they can invoke a Constitutional Convention even if every Democrat opposes it. They came very close to that in Trump's first two years: 33 State legislatures under GOP control. Do the math: what is #x2154; of 50 states? The midterms helped a little, but not nearly enough (I think they have 30 right now). Even before the 2016 elections when they got to the 33, they were so certain of being able to accomplish this that they held a practice Convention of States in late September of 2016, over a month before Trump was elected and with him enough state legislators to bring them to the 33 and so close to the magic 34.

Never mind that this is a Census year, and in the previous Census year (2010) with the aid of James O'Queef and his "Project Veritas" took down ACORN, which was getting inner city voters registered and to the polls, and the sudden loss of them (because Obama and Democratic Congressfolk believed Backpfeifengesicht Boy's bald-faced lying videos and passed and signed that unconstitutional Bill of Attainder defunding them right before the Census election when they were needed most and the DNC / DCCC had no GotV infrastructure of their own in the inner cities. That, combined with the ill-advised "Run from Obama" DNC policy, caused a whopping eleven State legislatures to fall to GOP control, and over ½ of them had been fully Democratic control before ― both chambers! Of course, the legislatures elected in a Census year get to draw the new Congressional boundaries, and if a Red State loses a District, they get to decide which District and thus which Congressperson goes away without having to be voted out (at least one Democratic stalwart who'd been re-elected for decades lost his seat that way).

We focus on the Presidency and taking back the Senate, and those are very important indeed, but if we lose even just one over ¼ as many State legislatures as was lost in 2010, it's Game Over for the Constitution. The new Constitution will be an unholy combination of Old Testament Bible Law (all of it, not just the Ten Commandments) and Ayn Rand. And it'll be permanent and irrevocable.
 
2020-05-15 11:59:13 AM  
4 votes:

BMulligan: Action Replay Nick: The coup by Trump and his supporters will be a success. Who will stop him? Law enforcement and the military are overrun with white supremacists. I can't even recall the last time I saw a cop in the news that wasn't a roided out skinhead.

Why do you insist upon treating this incompetent boob like a brilliant supervillain? His only real power comes from people who refuse to see him as the bad joke he is, and take him seriously. He's not an evil genius or a master tactician. He's a film-flam man, and you're just another sucker.


That's what they said about his election chances.  Hell. It's what I said.   You are wrong.  He could win again.  Republican voters are loyal to the party.  They vote.  Democrats expect politicians to earn their vote.  As they should.  But it's a huge advantage to republicans
 
2020-05-15 11:44:59 AM  
4 votes:

edmo: NeoCortex42: If?  Try "when".

Also, he'll be backseat driving the entirety of the next administration. It's up to the press to just ignore him once he's out of office.

Just how long will that old fart live anyway?


Twitter's excuse for now is that he's the President and it's allowed because of that.  What will be their excuse if he's out of office?
 
2020-05-15 11:27:26 AM  
4 votes:

SoupGuru: You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.


2008: CHENEY WILL SHUT DOWN THE ELECTIONS!

2016: OBAMA WON'T LET THE ELECTIONS HAPPEN!
 
2020-05-15 11:21:37 AM  
4 votes:
This is my biggest fear. If Putin plays his cards right things could get really bad. By throwing doubt on the integrity of the election process (easy since a lot of places will be all vote by mail for the first time), or by farking with poll results, enough doubt can be created that the MAGAt core will simply refuse to accept the outcome. At that point things go to the Supreme Court, there's all manner of hysteria in the media, etc. It wouldn't take much to tip things into violence.
 
2020-05-15 11:15:35 AM  
4 votes:
The bigger question is:  how do we safeguard against Trump committing the most epic torch job in history on his way out?  That's what I fear.
 
2020-05-15 11:11:49 AM  
4 votes:
When Bevin lost to Beshear in KY, he (Bevin) crowed about non-existent voter fraud and refused to accept the results.  All (or at least most) told him to take it like a man and suck it up and he soon relented.

Hopefully, when push comes to shove, most will do that come November too.
 
2020-05-15 9:57:25 AM  
4 votes:
Trump and FoxNews might be surprised at how their coup thing turns out.
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2020-05-15 1:28:33 PM  
3 votes:
I've given this a lot of thought.  Our armed forces and reserves are full of white nationalists, getting training to stab their nation in the back when the opportunity presents itself.  Die Hard 2 is not a total fantasy and I fear for the "replacement comms guys" who get double taps when the shiat hits the fan, before the bastards are taken down.  As for those who are already trained and out, or never in and think they are trained, let them get mowed down and hope the collateral damage isn't too great.  Hell, half the police forces in America have body armor and MRAPS these days.
 
2020-05-15 1:24:36 PM  
3 votes:

ElwoodCuse: A far more likely scenario you should worry about is the large number of mail-in votes making it impossible to declare a winner on election night at all


He'll declare victory election night, then the mail ballots will come in and he'll claim voter fraud and try to get them thrown out
 
2020-05-15 12:38:38 PM  
3 votes:

Psychopompous: Here's my nightmare scenario: Trump and the Republican establishment keep pushing the "Polls and election results are fake news unless they skew red" mantra on their followers, right up to election day. Trump has no choice in the matter. He is a malignant narcissist who lacks the capability of self doubt. Trump loses massively in the popular vote, but the electoral college count is very close, and there are states requiring a recount, electronic voting boxes with faulty readings, and so on. Trump rants about election fraud on twitter, uses phrases like "boogaloo" and relevant QAnon code words, because the Twitterverse is Trumps world now.There are plenty of right wing nut jobs out there in the boonies who have been hoarding guns and ammo for decades for just such an occasion. The misconception I tend to hear from Liberals is that such an uprising would be a simple matter of sending in the Army, or drone strikes. How simple was it to put down an insurrection in Afghanistan?If a right wing insurrection were to occur, a pandemic that destroyed the rural economy beyond hope of repair would be the perfect time to start one. Instead of forming up in ranks to be gunned down, the insurgents could do massive damage to our already crumbling infrastructure by cutting RR tracks, cutting levees, cell phone towers, power lines. bridges. Remember, there are tons of explosive available to rural folks with enough diesel and fertilizer and a recipe downloaded off the Internet.It is important to note that the Armed Forces, particularly the National Guard, is full of right wing nutjobs who joined so they could have access to military hardware and training when the "boogaloo" starts. It is so common,it has become a trope.


There are not enough people to do any real damage, most of them who would be willing to pop off are already protesting and identified.
 
2020-05-15 12:20:12 PM  
3 votes:

Psychopompous: Here's my nightmare scenario: Trump and the Republican establishment keep pushing the "Polls and election results are fake news unless they skew red" mantra on their followers, right up to election day. Trump has no choice in the matter. He is a malignant narcissist who lacks the capability of self doubt. Trump loses massively in the popular vote, but the electoral college count is very close, and there are states requiring a recount, electronic voting boxes with faulty readings, and so on. Trump rants about election fraud on twitter, uses phrases like "boogaloo" and relevant QAnon code words, because the Twitterverse is Trumps world now.There are plenty of right wing nut jobs out there in the boonies who have been hoarding guns and ammo for decades for just such an occasion. The misconception I tend to hear from Liberals is that such an uprising would be a simple matter of sending in the Army, or drone strikes. How simple was it to put down an insurrection in Afghanistan?If a right wing insurrection were to occur, a pandemic that destroyed the rural economy beyond hope of repair would be the perfect time to start one. Instead of forming up in ranks to be gunned down, the insurgents could do massive damage to our already crumbling infrastructure by cutting RR tracks, cutting levees, cell phone towers, power lines. bridges. Remember, there are tons of explosive available to rural folks with enough diesel and fertilizer and a recipe downloaded off the Internet.It is important to note that the Armed Forces, particularly the National Guard, is full of right wing nutjobs who joined so they could have access to military hardware and training when the "boogaloo" starts. It is so common,it has become a trope.

All they'd need to do is storm the homes of a few key Democratic Electors on the day of the Electoral College vote and hold their families at gunpoint unless they vote for Trump. There'd be no Constitutional remedy for this since the Electoral College election is the only one that matters (well, that, and the Joint Session of Congress the following month that certifies the Electoral College election ― that's when the winner officially becomes President-Elect).
 
2020-05-15 12:11:32 PM  
3 votes:

gunga galunga: Would Fox News as a company be on board with it? I don't know about that. Sure, the most sycophantic of the Trumphumpers may be screaming "coup", like Client #3, Frau Ingraham, and Judge Lush, but I kinda suspect that Rupert Murdoch is tired of his network being a cheerleader to a pathetic moron and would be glad to switch the narrative to focusing on how Joe Biden is an even worse President that Obama.


Ding Ding Ding!  We have a winner!

Fox and Murdoch don't give a rats ass about any particular person.  They care about producing entertainment to sell ads, period.  They'll get 8 years of really good mileage profit out of their Joe Biden BoogeyMan, just like they did from Obama and Clinton.
 
2020-05-15 11:43:36 AM  
3 votes:
Truly a sign that America is indeed in trouble where the very thought of this is possible.

/Almost makes you think he shouldn't have been elected President in the first place.
 
2020-05-15 11:18:57 AM  
3 votes:
Prepare for the possibility? I think you need to prepare for the certainty.
 
2020-05-15 11:18:31 AM  
3 votes:

Bootleg: NeoCortex42: If?  Try "when".

Also, he'll be backseat driving the entirety of the next administration. It's up to the press to just ignore him once he's out of office.

It'll be hard for him to tweet from his jail cell, though.

/Shut up
//I can dream, damnit.
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Self pardon is coming.
 
2020-05-15 11:14:08 AM  
3 votes:
If it's Trump's cosplay commandos vs the USMC I know HO my money is on.
 
2020-05-15 11:01:30 AM  
3 votes:

baron von doodle: TFA linked to a photo that sums up the situation nicely.
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Some idiot with a toy on his back probably won't respond to the call for a hillbilly uprising.

This will be like their facebook organized events, thousands promising attendance and financial support, four people actually showing up.
 
2020-05-15 5:09:10 PM  
2 votes:

VoiceOfReason499: COMALite J:Two corrections:

If the election does not happen and events play out as described, is there a mechanism for holding an election sooner than November 2024, or would the US government continue on for four years with an acting president? Would it also be six years with a third of Senate seats empty (November 2026) and two years with no House (November 2022)?

It's never happened, but since "shall act as President" is the terminology used, it stands to reason that the person would only be effectively keeping the seat warm until a valid election could be held. Election Day is set in an 1845 statute passed by the 28th Congress, not in the Constitution, so it could be temporarily or permanently changed by an Act of Congress ― only there'd be no Congress without a House.

We do know that vacancies in the Senate can be filled by the States (some by special elections, other by Gubernatorial appointment, and presumably state legislatures could also get a say if they so choose to alter how their state does it ― prior to the 17th Amendment, it was expected for all States to appoint their Senators, just as they were supposed to appoint their Electors to the Electoral College), and that the Constitution requires equal suffrage of the States in the Senate (not even a Constitutional Amendment can alter that ― it's the one and only remaining restriction on what even a Constitutional Amendment could do), so the Senate may not remain so small nor in Democratic hands, though presumably the President pro tempore who holds the office on January 20 would become Acting President. With no House, there could be no new or acting Vice President, since while the President (and presumably Acting President) can appoint a new Vice President, unlike any other Presidential nominee, both the House and the Senate have to approve (see Ford replacing Agnew).

Vacancies in the House can be filled by special election, so the States could hold special elections to start filling the House back up. This would take time, though, and would be unlikely to be done enough to have a quorum in the time between January 3 and January 20, so there'd still be no Speaker since a quorum of the House has to elect a new Speaker, or to vote on legislation.

One possible solution would be to have the States appoint Electors without electing them (the way it was originally done, and no Constitutional Amendment has changed this ― basically the political parties imposed the system we currently have and have had for the past century or so and think is the normal) and, once the House has been rebuilt through special election enough to have a quorum and pass election authorizing a special Electoral College election day, elect a new President and Vice President. Whoever that is would be fully President, #46. But his or her term would only last until the next Inauguration Day, though, if there were less than two years remaining in what would've been the then-current, s/he could run again for up to two more terms.
 
2020-05-15 5:04:20 PM  
2 votes:

RussianPotato: Why, that'd be as disastrous as all the Shillary people saying she won the popular vote and therefore should be president.


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2020-05-15 3:14:15 PM  
2 votes:

lolmao500: Diogenes: It would cause strife, violence, and death.

Trump won't care.

Care? LULZ. That's his freaking goal.

Trump is a soviet agent, remember? His goal is to destroy the US. Is he aware that he's a soviet agent? Probably not since he's a farking idiot, that still makes him one if he does everything Putin tells him to.


Putin isn't smart enough to keep his own country from being a non shiat hole.  What makes you think he's smart enough to take control of the US without ever firing a shot?
 
2020-05-15 2:50:12 PM  
2 votes:

Diogenes: It would cause strife, violence, and death.

Trump won't care.


Care? LULZ. That's his freaking goal.

Trump is a soviet agent, remember? His goal is to destroy the US. Is he aware that he's a soviet agent? Probably not since he's a farking idiot, that still makes him one if he does everything Putin tells him to.
 
2020-05-15 2:37:08 PM  
2 votes:

Hand Banana: SoupGuru: You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.

I wish people would stop repeating this crap. Trump cannot stop the election, not in his wildest dreams.


Haven't you paid attention?  Trump is simultaneously the most incompetent person to hold the office AND capable of accomplishing anything he wants...including stopping elections.

The guy is basically a wizard.
 
2020-05-15 2:26:27 PM  
2 votes:

Action Replay Nick: The coup by Trump and his supporters will be a success. Who will stop him? Law enforcement and the military are overrun with white supremacists. I can't even recall the last time I saw a cop in the news that wasn't a roided out skinhead.


Really?. Then I take it you've never served, ass.
 
2020-05-15 2:08:44 PM  
2 votes:

HerptheDerp: edmo: NeoCortex42: If?  Try "when".

Also, he'll be backseat driving the entirety of the next administration. It's up to the press to just ignore him once he's out of office.

Just how long will that old fart live anyway?

Cheney has proven, if you're evil and corrupt enough then Hell doesn't want you and never comes to collect, so you become immortal.


What was the line from the show "Frasier" about his agent?

"She doesn't have to worship the Devil...he worships her!!!"
 
2020-05-15 1:31:07 PM  
2 votes:
He who has the most guns, and the greatest willingness to use them, wins.

The sad truth is that the right-wingers have the most guns, AND are frothing to use them. Sure, some liberals may have guns, but they're not the ones with the huge arsenals, and spending EVERY weekend shooting on the range. They're not the ones with the ready-made militias comprised of like-minded neighbors who have turned their guns into a culture.

America is swirling down the tubes. I predict a LOT of violence as we near the election, and even more if Trump loses, and starts demanding recounts. We're not getting out of this anytime soon, and not without blood running in the streets.
 
2020-05-15 1:25:31 PM  
2 votes:

Harlee: gunga galunga: Would Fox News as a company be on board with it? I don't know about that. Sure, the most sycophantic of the Trumphumpers may be screaming "coup", like Client #3, Frau Ingraham, and Judge Lush, but I kinda suspect that Rupert Murdoch is tired of his network being a cheerleader to a pathetic moron and would be glad to switch the narrative to focusing on how Joe Biden is an even worse President that Obama.

Lush Rimbaugh would be good with a Biden presidency. I used to listen to him. He has explicitly said many times that Democrats in control mean better ratings and ad revenues for right wing talk radio personalities.


He'll be dead soon
 
2020-05-15 1:18:36 PM  
2 votes:

middlewaytao: Psychopompous: Here's my nightmare scenario: Trump and the Republican establishment keep pushing the "Polls and election results are fake news unless they skew red" mantra on their followers, right up to election day. Trump has no choice in the matter. He is a malignant narcissist who lacks the capability of self doubt. Trump loses massively in the popular vote, but the electoral college count is very close, and there are states requiring a recount, electronic voting boxes with faulty readings, and so on. Trump rants about election fraud on twitter, uses phrases like "boogaloo" and relevant QAnon code words, because the Twitterverse is Trumps world now.There are plenty of right wing nut jobs out there in the boonies who have been hoarding guns and ammo for decades for just such an occasion. The misconception I tend to hear from Liberals is that such an uprising would be a simple matter of sending in the Army, or drone strikes. How simple was it to put down an insurrection in Afghanistan?

There are not enough people to do any real damage, most of them who would be willing to pop off are already protesting and identified.


This is the complacent attitude that scares me most. Paintball games have indoctrinated people into thinking war is an activity in which both sides know when and where the battle is going to start. I recommend Che Guavera's "Guerrila Warfare", and John Nagl's "Learning to Eat Soup with a Knofe" The very last stage of an insurgency is the part where your armed supporters make public displays of force. There is a long phase of arson, sabotage, assassination of small town officials, planting of IEDs, and random mass shootings before you to the phase where insurgents start publicly parading around in regalia. Here is another nightmare. Asymptomatic carriers of Covid-19 exist. What if a Flu Klux Klan person realizes that they have become an asymptomatic carrier, and decides to spread the disease to all the Libruls he can? I can also see Anti Vaxxer asymptomatic carriers deciding to intentionally spread the disease as a way of promoting herd immunity. All such activity would benefit an insurgency by sowing distrust, disorder, and disruption. Remember, the population of the cities is larger than the rural areas, but the rural areas have the cities surrounded and all of the food comes from the rural areas. Cut a few supply lines and the cities starve. The rural folks can at least pretend to be able to fall back on gardening, fishing and hunting if the supply lines get cut.
 
2020-05-15 12:59:01 PM  
2 votes:
If Fox News parrots it then it should be open season on them. If they're openly inciting violence, then what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
2020-05-15 12:54:25 PM  
2 votes:

gunga galunga: Would Fox News as a company be on board with it? I don't know about that. Sure, the most sycophantic of the Trumphumpers may be screaming "coup", like Client #3, Frau Ingraham, and Judge Lush, but I kinda suspect that Rupert Murdoch is tired of his network being a cheerleader to a pathetic moron and would be glad to switch the narrative to focusing on how Joe Biden is an even worse President that Obama.


Lush Rimbaugh would be good with a Biden presidency. I used to listen to him. He has explicitly said many times that Democrats in control mean better ratings and ad revenues for right wing talk radio personalities.
 
2020-05-15 12:50:38 PM  
2 votes:

exqqqme: The day he loses the election is the day he gets booted off Twitter.


are you kidding after he's not president he's never going to *stop* tweeting
 
2020-05-15 12:43:27 PM  
2 votes:

aug3: Once trump is no longer president, will twitter ban him? we will miss his epic rant about how his freedum of speech is being violated


Don't worry he will be a constant guest on onn .
 
2020-05-15 12:43:07 PM  
2 votes:

SoupGuru: Hand Banana: SoupGuru: You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.

I wish people would stop repeating this crap. Trump cannot stop the election, not in his wildest dreams.

He also can't fire someone for investigating him. Or ignore subpoenas. Or personally profit from his office. Or intimidate witnesses.


It comes down to the will of anybody who could physically stop/remove him, versus the will of those who would interfere with that. Legally, they'll just kick the can around a bunch while letting him finish shiatting on the chess board.
 
2020-05-15 12:39:26 PM  
2 votes:
Don't worry. All those heavily armed Americans who talk about using force to overthrow tyrannical governments will surely step up to help.

I could barely finish typing that because I was laughing so hysterically. Or maybe crying hysterically. It's hard to tell the difference sometimes.
 
2020-05-15 12:16:21 PM  
2 votes:
A far more likely scenario you should worry about is the large number of mail-in votes making it impossible to declare a winner on election night at all
 
2020-05-15 11:56:31 AM  
2 votes:
If he loses he's run away just like he runs away from his press conferences. Anyway we still have 2024 to look forward to, when Trump's spawn will probably decide to run and knowing this country they'll very possibly win. Get ready for President Jr, President Ivanka or maybe even President I'm Eric.
 
2020-05-15 11:54:55 AM  
2 votes:

whyRpeoplesostupid: If he loses, the following 78 days until inauguration will be a lulu. The farking sharpie will be smoking


You know nothing will actually get passed into law during that time, so that'll help

Any Executive Orders made during that time can be undone by the next president.

The real problem will be how many judges can the Senate ram through in that 78 days
 
2020-05-15 11:42:05 AM  
2 votes:

stevecore: I brought this point up to a Trumper yesterday.

He said Trump is sure to win cause he's doing such a good job and everything is doing so greatly...  all that.  I brought up that polls show otherwise and Biden has a big lead even in some swing states.
He said polls are rigged and fake news and Biden won't ever win.
I ask "And if he does?" And he says the election was rigged. So then I say "so if Trump wins it's not rigged, but if Biden does, it is rigged?"
He says yes. So I ask why did the GOP and Trump shoot down the election security bills the Dems tried to pass.

He smokebombed and ranted nonsense

It's funny that logic actually hurts their brains. You can see it in their faces as it hits them.


I live on a cul de sac at the top of a hill. My neighbors include a retired Texas game warden and an ex Army Ranger. If anyone rolls up here trying to start nonsense, they are going to be very unhappy with the outcome.
 
2020-05-15 11:28:13 AM  
2 votes:

inglixthemad: NeoCortex42: If?  Try "when".

Also, he'll be backseat driving the entirety of the next administration. It's up to the press to just ignore him once he's out of office.

Honestly, I doubt he'd follow through. First off it could (would) generate a lot of terminal problems for himself, and Pence, from the military.

Let's say that doesn't happen. There'd be a lot of pissed off libs spoiling for a fight if he riled up his base to engage in conflict, and I don't mean words or spitballs. He'd find out how little Meal Team Six is worth in a fight, very, very,  quickly.


If he loses he is going to troll non-stop. Especially if SDNY is making his life miserable.
 
2020-05-15 11:27:56 AM  
2 votes:

BMulligan: SoupGuru: You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.

Oh, FFS.


You would be wise to consider the fact that he is going to try his best to prevent an election from happening and historically speaking - Nobody is going to stop him.
 
2020-05-15 11:21:51 AM  
2 votes:

RussianPotato: RyogaM: RussianPotato: Why, that'd be as disastrous as all the Shillary people saying she won the popular vote and therefore should be president.

https://mashable.com/2012/11/06/trump-​reacts-to-election/

You mean, 2012 Donald Trump, who called for a revolution when he erroneously thought Obama lost the popular vote against Romney.  The Trump who called us a total sham and a travesty.  Yeah, you support a moron for president.

Morons better than a senile husk of a corpse.  Have you seen Biden lately?

/doesn't he look tired?


Wrong.
 
2020-05-15 10:56:06 AM  
2 votes:
 
2020-05-15 5:17:07 PM  
1 vote:

Corn_Fed: Epic Fap Session: Who gives a shiat what he says one second after he's no longer president?

The 10,000 armed Trumpers who will be surrounding the White House, frothing for blood.


"send snacks"
 
2020-05-15 4:59:57 PM  
1 vote:
damageddude: "Outside a coup by Trump..."

Thought you'd slip this by...?  THIS is the part we should be preparing for.
 
2020-05-15 4:41:15 PM  
1 vote:
COMALite J:Two corrections:

If the election does not happen and events play out as described, is there a mechanism for holding an election sooner than November 2024, or would the US government continue on for four years with an acting president? Would it also be six years with a third of Senate seats empty (November 2026) and two years with no House (November 2022)?
 
2020-05-15 2:44:05 PM  
1 vote:
One of the most interesting aspects of the Mueller Report was often Trump would try to get people to do things like fire Mueller (some of those obstruction of justice things u guys always talk about)

Only to repeatedly be told fark off I'm not doing that. Read the news lately?  The guy can't pass gas without a staffer leaking it to the press.

And if it isn't leaked, it slips out in his continuous stream of consciousness twitter feed.

There has never been a US president LESS capable of circumventing an election than Donald Trump.
 
2020-05-15 1:51:02 PM  
1 vote:

BlazeTrailer: SoupGuru: Hand Banana: SoupGuru: You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.

I wish people would stop repeating this crap. Trump cannot stop the election, not in his wildest dreams.

He also can't fire someone for investigating him. Or ignore subpoenas. Or personally profit from his office. Or intimidate witnesses.

He has yet to take over any state's operations, which is where the election sits. I take it your state is going to give up their own power?


Plenty of GOP led states are opening up their economies and risking their citizen's lives against scientific advice because it makes Trump happy.
 
2020-05-15 1:39:50 PM  
1 vote:
Nothing like the taste of fresh meat for the #Resistance, to keep their wheels spinning.
 
2020-05-15 1:21:48 PM  
1 vote:

Tomoko: What will happen if Twitter just bans him the day he leaves office so he can't Tweet anymore.


Never happen.  He's violated their rules ten-thousand times without any action.  Plus, it would have to happen when the election is called to be of any use.
 
2020-05-15 1:21:32 PM  
1 vote:

Nocrash: twistedsteel5252: NeoCortex42: If?  Try "when".

Also, he'll be backseat driving the entirety of the next administration. It's up to the press to just ignore him once he's out of office.

This

For all the ideals any country has it all boils down to who's willing to fight for their world view more.

One 1/3 will fight for American values, 1/3 will fight against Americans values and 1/3 will stay home.

President Lysol's base is and always will be 1/3
The revolutionary war was won by 1/3 of  colonialists.

Pick a side

Difficulty: the cable TV still works.


You're not wrong.

1/3 is motivated to protest with guns, 1/3 likes rights for minorities women but generally have decent employment and really can't be bothered, and 1/3 won't even have a disruption in their broadcasting.
 
2020-05-15 1:07:14 PM  
1 vote:

RussianPotato: Why, that'd be as disastrous as all the Shillary people saying she won the popular vote and therefore should be president.


Just curious - when, exactly, was the last time a Republican won the popular vote for the White House? I mean, you kind of have to go back a bit, don't you?

You guys couldn't win a "one person, one vote" election if there was only one person voting, now you got guys thinking Trump's going to carry forty states. Real curious about which states he thinks he's gonna flip.
 
2020-05-15 12:37:25 PM  
1 vote:

50th: What will happen?   A bunch of overweight middle-aged white rednecks will die, that's what will happen.


And the world will be a better place for it.
 
2020-05-15 12:22:11 PM  
1 vote:
The Orange Slime and his fascist, Republican buddies have ran this country in the mf'ing ground. Another four years of these idiots would be ratings death for Fox.
 
2020-05-15 11:55:47 AM  
1 vote:
Nothing.  The Sgts at Arms will regulate if he tries anything, and White House security will regulate if anyone else tries anything.

He's bad, but he'll die.  This will end eventually.
 
2020-05-15 11:42:18 AM  
1 vote:

HerptheDerp: edmo: NeoCortex42: If?  Try "when".

Also, he'll be backseat driving the entirety of the next administration. It's up to the press to just ignore him once he's out of office.

Just how long will that old fart live anyway?

Cheney has proven, if you're evil and corrupt enough then Hell doesn't want you and never comes to collect, so you become immortal.


You also need a titanium heart...and a power source for it.
 
2020-05-15 11:38:03 AM  
1 vote:
Bring it, fatboi
 
2020-05-15 11:34:31 AM  
1 vote:

gunga galunga: Would Fox News as a company be on board with it? I don't know about that. Sure, the most sycophantic of the Trumphumpers may be screaming "coup", like Client #3, Frau Ingraham, and Judge Lush, but I kinda suspect that Rupert Murdoch is tired of his network being a cheerleader to a pathetic moron and would be glad to switch the narrative to focusing on how Joe Biden is an even worse President that Obama.


Lachlan actually runs FN these days, and it has been reported that the channel embarrasses him.
 
2020-05-15 11:26:14 AM  
1 vote:

NeoCortex42: If?  Try "when".

Also, he'll be backseat driving the entirety of the next administration. It's up to the press to just ignore him once he's out of office.


Honestly, I doubt he'd follow through. First off it could (would) generate a lot of terminal problems for himself, and Pence, from the military.

Let's say that doesn't happen. There'd be a lot of pissed off libs spoiling for a fight if he riled up his base to engage in conflict, and I don't mean words or spitballs. He'd find out how little Meal Team Six is worth in a fight, very, very,  quickly.
 
2020-05-15 11:20:41 AM  
1 vote:

Hand Banana: SoupGuru: Hand Banana: SoupGuru: You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.

I wish people would stop repeating this crap. Trump cannot stop the election, not in his wildest dreams.

He also can't fire someone for investigating him. Or ignore subpoenas. Or personally profit from his office. Or intimidate witnesses.

The difference is Presidential elections are run by the states, not the corrupt Trump administration.


Just like "the country re-opening is up to the states." And when Trump demands it open, suddenly all the states--even blue ones--start re-opening.
 
2020-05-15 11:15:19 AM  
1 vote:
If it's Trump's cosplay commandos vs the USMC I know who my money is on.
 
2020-05-15 11:14:31 AM  
1 vote:

RussianPotato: RyogaM: RussianPotato: Why, that'd be as disastrous as all the Shillary people saying she won the popular vote and therefore should be president.

https://mashable.com/2012/11/06/trump-​reacts-to-election/

You mean, 2012 Donald Trump, who called for a revolution when he erroneously thought Obama lost the popular vote against Romney.  The Trump who called us a total sham and a travesty.  Yeah, you support a moron for president.

Morons better than a senile husk of a corpse. Have you seen Biden lately?

/doesn't he look tired?


That's Trump's voting base.
 
2020-05-15 11:11:20 AM  
1 vote:

Hand Banana: SoupGuru: You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.

I wish people would stop repeating this crap. Trump cannot stop the election, not in his wildest dreams.


He would have to stop 50 individual ones.
 
2020-05-15 11:08:34 AM  
1 vote:

SoupGuru: Hand Banana: SoupGuru: You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.

I wish people would stop repeating this crap. Trump cannot stop the election, not in his wildest dreams.

He also can't fire someone for investigating him. Or ignore subpoenas. Or personally profit from his office. Or intimidate witnesses.


He has yet to take over any state's operations, which is where the election sits. I take it your state is going to give up their own power?
 
2020-05-15 11:06:37 AM  
1 vote:

AlAlvin: I fear how much damage that he and the Republicans will try to do once they lose.


why, there's nothing they could do that either 1. they couldn't do already or 2. couldn't be undone immediately (executive orders, etc.)

that happened in states where Republicans held both houses of the legislature
 
2020-05-15 11:03:15 AM  
1 vote:

twistedsteel5252: NeoCortex42: If?  Try "when".

Also, he'll be backseat driving the entirety of the next administration. It's up to the press to just ignore him once he's out of office.

This

For all the ideals any country has it all boils down to who's willing to fight for their world view more.

One 1/3 will fight for American values, 1/3 will fight against Americans values and 1/3 will stay home.

President Lysol's base is and always will be 1/3
The revolutionary war was won by 1/3 of  colonialists.

Pick a side


Difficulty: the cable TV still works.
 
2020-05-15 11:00:47 AM  
1 vote:
Trump "refusing to leave" has been one of Bill Maher's mantras for years now. I'd swear he's asked virtually every guest he's had on "what's the plan?" When he declares the election a fraud and refuses to leave. Most of the time, people have kinda laughed him off.
One conservative talk show host (can't remember his name) flat out said the GOP would drag Trump out if he did that. Maher didn't believe him.
 
2020-05-15 10:55:05 AM  
1 vote:

Tomoko: What will happen if Twitter just bans him the day he leaves office so he can't Tweet anymore.


You'll see tweets from @theRealJohnBaron
 
2020-05-15 10:50:30 AM  
1 vote:
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