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(Washington Post)   "What will happen if Trump loses and then takes to Twitter to say he actually won? It's not hard to see how deadly that could become, particularly given that Fox News personalities are already absurdly throwing around the word 'coup'"   (washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2020-05-15 11:38:34 AM  

baron von doodle: TFA linked to a photo that sums up the situation nicely.
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While I think the many conservatives with inert penises like the man in the photo will rush out to angrily purchase fast food as suggested, they may also congregate in large numbers and wave a variety of flags declaring their intolerance for everything not themselves.
 
2020-05-15 11:39:15 AM  

RussianPotato: Why, that'd be as disastrous as all the Shillary people saying she won the popular vote and therefore should be president.


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2020-05-15 11:40:46 AM  

SoupGuru: Hand Banana: SoupGuru: You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.

I wish people would stop repeating this crap. Trump cannot stop the election, not in his wildest dreams.

He also can't fire someone for investigating him. Or ignore subpoenas. Or personally profit from his office. Or intimidate witnesses.


Only Congress can delay an election. I' pretty sure majority isn't going to do that just because Trump is too stupid to have actually formed a transition team. I'm guessing that's why he's been using the word "transition" in his tweets to mean anything but a peaceful transfer of power, which he's absolutely not going to allow.
 
2020-05-15 11:41:16 AM  

damageddude: Jan. 20, 2021, 12:01pm, someone instructs the secret service there is a civilian trespasser in the Oval Office/ White House who needs to escorted off the grounds.

SoupGuru: You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.

We had a presidential election during a Civil War, pretty sure we can figure out a way to handle a pandemic.

Constitutionally Trump and Pence's terms end at noon on January 20, 2021. The cabinet is also out the door that day. The terms of the House and ⅓ of the Senate end on January 13, 2021. Outside a coup by Trump, if there is no election and no House, the powers of the presidency go to the next person in the line of succession in the Senate. That wouldn't be Moscow Mitch because he is out on Jan 1 if there are no election. I'm not exactly sure how that would work but the most senior senator not up for reelection this fall appears to be Patrick Leahy (D−Vt).

Two corrections:

#1, The Cabinet does not disband when the administration who appointed them ends. There is nothing in the Constitution stating when they leave office. It's tradition that the Cabinet secretaries and A.G. all submit their resignations en masse to the incoming President on Inauguration Day. and those resignations are usually accepted. In rare occasions, the new President may reject the resignation and keep a competent Cabinet secretary in office even if from the opposing party. The point, though, is that their terms do not automatically end.

#2, Moscow Miatch McQuisling is not in the line of secession at all. The Senate Majority Leader is not a Constitutionally mandated office (unlike Speaker of the House), and shouldn't even exist, let alone wield the powers Miatch has been so horrifically abusing. Those powers rightly belong to the President pro tempore of the Senate, which is a Constitutionally mandated office and is in the line of secession (currently after Speaker of the House, who is after the Vice President).

Patrick Leahy would, in the absence of a court case challenging this, become the Acting President should the elections not be held because about ⅔ of the ⅓ of the departing Senators (including Moscow Miatch) are Republicans, and that would leave a Democratic majority among the remaining ⅔, and traditionally the most senior Senator of the majority Party becomes President pro tempore (right now that's Chuck Grassley and until the current Congress it was Orrin Hatch, but the GOP would lose their majority so it'd be Leahy). However, the Senate could vote anyone in as President pro tempore and that person would become Acting President, then the Senate would need to elect someone else as new President pro tempore.

There is some dispute about whether the Laws of Secession including the 1947 (IIRC) one currently in effect, are Constitutional, since they place Legislative Branch personnel (SotH, then PPTotS as of the 1947 law, those two reversed prior to that) in the line of secession, and that violates Separation of Powers. However, the Framers apparently didn't consider Separation of Powers quite as important as is often thought, since they had the Vice President also be President of the Senate (the PPTotS is basically his stand-in ― the Vice President's Vice President wrt the Senate, if you will ― that being what "pro tempore" means in this sense), and that's one man holding not just membership, but leadership, positions in two Branches (why!?). Also, whoever ascends to the Presidency other than the V.P., through vacancies in both, becomes merely Acting President, not actual President, which further weakens this argument (the main difference is that that person would not go down in history as POTUS #46, but rather APOTUS #1 ― when the situation is resolved and a proper President properly elected, that person would be #46, not #47).

Still, though, that dispute means that the 1947 law could be challenged, and with Trump / Federalist Society flunkies filling ⅓ of the Federal judgeships including a couple on SCOTUS thanks to Moscow Miatch such a challenge could well succeed, the PPTotS could be removed from the line of secession on the grounds of being Legislative Branch. Should that succeed, because the Cabinet would still be in office, say hello to Acting President Pompeo.
 
2020-05-15 11:42:05 AM  

stevecore: I brought this point up to a Trumper yesterday.

He said Trump is sure to win cause he's doing such a good job and everything is doing so greatly...  all that.  I brought up that polls show otherwise and Biden has a big lead even in some swing states.
He said polls are rigged and fake news and Biden won't ever win.
I ask "And if he does?" And he says the election was rigged. So then I say "so if Trump wins it's not rigged, but if Biden does, it is rigged?"
He says yes. So I ask why did the GOP and Trump shoot down the election security bills the Dems tried to pass.

He smokebombed and ranted nonsense

It's funny that logic actually hurts their brains. You can see it in their faces as it hits them.


I live on a cul de sac at the top of a hill. My neighbors include a retired Texas game warden and an ex Army Ranger. If anyone rolls up here trying to start nonsense, they are going to be very unhappy with the outcome.
 
2020-05-15 11:42:16 AM  

dsmith42: gunga galunga: Would Fox News as a company be on board with it? I don't know about that. Sure, the most sycophantic of the Trumphumpers may be screaming "coup", like Client #3, Frau Ingraham, and Judge Lush, but I kinda suspect that Rupert Murdoch is tired of his network being a cheerleader to a pathetic moron and would be glad to switch the narrative to focusing on how Joe Biden is an even worse President that Obama.

Lachlan actually runs FN these days, and it has been reported that the channel embarrasses him.


I wouldn't doubt that he has a big problem with the personalities on the network giving their viewers advice that puts their lives at risk.
 
2020-05-15 11:42:18 AM  

HerptheDerp: edmo: NeoCortex42: If?  Try "when".

Also, he'll be backseat driving the entirety of the next administration. It's up to the press to just ignore him once he's out of office.

Just how long will that old fart live anyway?

Cheney has proven, if you're evil and corrupt enough then Hell doesn't want you and never comes to collect, so you become immortal.


You also need a titanium heart...and a power source for it.
 
2020-05-15 11:42:57 AM  

RasIanI: RussianPotato: Why, that'd be as disastrous as all the Shillary people saying she won the popular vote and therefore should be president.

Nobody said that she should be president because she won the popular vote - they pointed out that the electors in Electoral College could choose to go with the winner of the popular vote instead of the traditional and historical practice of voting for the winner of the state. It was never going to happen - and no one expected it to happen. That's disingenuous. But it did create a lot of discussion about how outdated the EC has become. Sorry - that's how intellect works in groups.



There's a current SC case regarding the EC, Justice Thomas said the following:

In a line of hypothetical questioning during Wednesday oral arguments on the Electoral College, Justice Clarence Thomas brought up the hobbit from the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy in a case that would decide whether states can bind presidential electors to vote for the state's popular-vote winner.

Thomas has drawn attention over the past two weeks for asking more questions during the court's new pandemic-prompted telephone system during oral arguments than he has asked for more than a decade in the courtroom. On Wednesday, when posing a hypothetical to Jason Harrow, representing a so-called faithless elector from Colorado, the newly loquacious justice used Baggins as a case study.

Harrow was in the midst of making the argument that electors are best placed to make the ultimate decision for whom to cast their vote. But Thomas was poised to poke a hole in his argument, armed with characters from J.R.R. Tolkien's work.

"The elector who had promised to vote for the winning candidate could suddenly say, you now, I'm going to vote for Frodo Baggins. I really like Frodo Baggins. And you're saying, under your system, you can't do anything about that," Thomas said.

Harrow was quick to point out to the justice that Frodo Baggins is not a human.
"Your honor, I think there is something to be done, because that would be a vote for a non-person. No matter how big a fan many people are of Frodo Baggins," Harrow said.

"I do think the important point is that the framers hashed out these competing concerns," he added. "They understood the stakes and they said among these competing hypotheticals, electors are best placed to make the ultimate selection. That hasn't changed."


This is the world we live in, where you have to use a Hobbit to make your point.
 
2020-05-15 11:43:36 AM  
Truly a sign that America is indeed in trouble where the very thought of this is possible.

/Almost makes you think he shouldn't have been elected President in the first place.
 
2020-05-15 11:44:16 AM  

Truck Fump: HerptheDerp: edmo: NeoCortex42: If?  Try "when".

Also, he'll be backseat driving the entirety of the next administration. It's up to the press to just ignore him once he's out of office.

Just how long will that old fart live anyway?

Cheney has proven, if you're evil and corrupt enough then Hell doesn't want you and never comes to collect, so you become immortal.

You also need a titanium heart...and a power source for it.


Heaven doesn't want me and Hell's afraid I'll take over
 
2020-05-15 11:44:46 AM  

COMALite J: damageddude: Jan. 20, 2021, 12:01pm, someone instructs the secret service there is a civilian trespasser in the Oval Office/ White House who needs to escorted off the grounds.

SoupGuru: You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.

We had a presidential election during a Civil War, pretty sure we can figure out a way to handle a pandemic.

Constitutionally Trump and Pence's terms end at noon on January 20, 2021. The cabinet is also out the door that day. The terms of the House and ⅓ of the Senate end on January 13, 2021. Outside a coup by Trump, if there is no election and no House, the powers of the presidency go to the next person in the line of succession in the Senate. That wouldn't be Moscow Mitch because he is out on Jan 1 if there are no election. I'm not exactly sure how that would work but the most senior senator not up for reelection this fall appears to be Patrick Leahy (D−Vt).
Two corrections:

#1, The Cabinet does not disband when the administration who appointed them ends. There is nothing in the Constitution stating when they leave office. It's tradition that the Cabinet secretaries and A.G. all submit their resignations en masse to the incoming President on Inauguration Day. and those resignations are usually accepted. In rare occasions, the new President may reject the resignation and keep a competent Cabinet secretary in office even if from the opposing party. The point, though, is that their terms do not automatically end.

#2, Moscow Miatch McQuisling is not in the line of secession at all. The Senate Majority Leader is not a Constitutionally mandated office (unlike Speaker of the House), and shouldn't even exist, let alone wield the powers Miatch has been so horrifically abusing. Those powers rightly belong to the President pro tempore of the Senate, which is a Constitutionally mandated office and is in the line of secession (currently after Speaker of the House, who is after the Vice President).

Patrick Leahy would, in the abs ...


This was very informative and helpful information but I think your spellcheck is a civil war revisionist.
 
2020-05-15 11:44:59 AM  

edmo: NeoCortex42: If?  Try "when".

Also, he'll be backseat driving the entirety of the next administration. It's up to the press to just ignore him once he's out of office.

Just how long will that old fart live anyway?


Twitter's excuse for now is that he's the President and it's allowed because of that.  What will be their excuse if he's out of office?
 
2020-05-15 11:45:59 AM  
Any predictions?  Will he jump the shark?
 
2020-05-15 11:47:04 AM  

RyogaM: RussianPotato: RyogaM: RussianPotato: Why, that'd be as disastrous as all the Shillary people saying she won the popular vote and therefore should be president.

https://mashable.com/2012/11/06/trump-​reacts-to-election/

You mean, 2012 Donald Trump, who called for a revolution when he erroneously thought Obama lost the popular vote against Romney.  The Trump who called us a total sham and a travesty.  Yeah, you support a moron for president.

Morons better than a senile husk of a corpse.  Have you seen Biden lately?

/doesn't he look tired?

Not as tired as the moron you support.  87,000 dead due to the moron. And Trump is the one who said Hillary should have been president if she won the popular vote.  I love how you ignore that amazing display of stupidity, hypocrisy and inability to hold his shiat together.  He truly reflects his supporters.


I love the Biden is too old mantra - they're both too old - one just fools idiots with his dime store hair dye and by painting his skin orange.  Given that their both well past their prime, that's a wash, and all of the other evidence in the world points to Biden being much more fit to run the US
 
2020-05-15 11:49:36 AM  

special20: RussianPotato: Why, that'd be as disastrous as all the Shillary people saying she won the popular vote and therefore should be president.

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In Russia potatoes only allowed to poop vodak, comrade.
 
2020-05-15 11:50:43 AM  

gunga galunga: Would Fox News as a company be on board with it? I don't know about that. Sure, the most sycophantic of the Trumphumpers may be screaming "coup", like Client #3, Frau Ingraham, and Judge Lush, but I kinda suspect that Rupert Murdoch is tired of his network being a cheerleader to a pathetic moron and would be glad to switch the narrative to focusing on how Joe Biden is an even worse President that Obama.


Why wouldn't they?  It would boost ratings and brand loyalty
 
2020-05-15 11:54:55 AM  

whyRpeoplesostupid: If he loses, the following 78 days until inauguration will be a lulu. The farking sharpie will be smoking


You know nothing will actually get passed into law during that time, so that'll help

Any Executive Orders made during that time can be undone by the next president.

The real problem will be how many judges can the Senate ram through in that 78 days
 
2020-05-15 11:55:47 AM  
Nothing.  The Sgts at Arms will regulate if he tries anything, and White House security will regulate if anyone else tries anything.

He's bad, but he'll die.  This will end eventually.
 
2020-05-15 11:56:31 AM  
If he loses he's run away just like he runs away from his press conferences. Anyway we still have 2024 to look forward to, when Trump's spawn will probably decide to run and knowing this country they'll very possibly win. Get ready for President Jr, President Ivanka or maybe even President I'm Eric.
 
2020-05-15 11:57:33 AM  
What are the odds that Jack Dorsey will get tired of Trumplethinskin and ban his Twitter account if he's not re-elected?
 
2020-05-15 11:58:46 AM  

Tomoko: What will happen if Twitter just bans him the day he leaves office so he can't Tweet anymore.


Shakes very tiny fist!

/should read all posts before commenting
 
2020-05-15 11:59:13 AM  

BMulligan: Action Replay Nick: The coup by Trump and his supporters will be a success. Who will stop him? Law enforcement and the military are overrun with white supremacists. I can't even recall the last time I saw a cop in the news that wasn't a roided out skinhead.

Why do you insist upon treating this incompetent boob like a brilliant supervillain? His only real power comes from people who refuse to see him as the bad joke he is, and take him seriously. He's not an evil genius or a master tactician. He's a film-flam man, and you're just another sucker.


That's what they said about his election chances.  Hell. It's what I said.   You are wrong.  He could win again.  Republican voters are loyal to the party.  They vote.  Democrats expect politicians to earn their vote.  As they should.  But it's a huge advantage to republicans
 
2020-05-15 12:01:31 PM  

Tomoko: What will happen if Twitter just bans him the day he leaves office so he can't Tweet anymore.


I could see Trump having Barron set up a new Twitter just for his followers to use (Barron is good with the cyber, you know).  The name "Twatter"  has a nice ring to it...

Then he could Twat all he wanted and we wouldn't have to see it
 
2020-05-15 12:02:19 PM  

keytronic: SoupGuru: I don't think you guys are thinking outside the box enough. I mean, it will be amazing how many instances of election fraud and tampering and conspiracies are happening in Democratically leaning districts so the FBI will be needed to cordon off the polling places through election day. Vote by mail, turns out the Post Office can't meet their obligations and will need to furlough most of the work force. Martial law, anyone on the streets will be arrested. Poll workers all arrested. And the election will come out in Trumps favor and there will be lawsuits and he'll be president while it works its way through the courts.

It won't be the FBI blocking key polling locations...it will be armed freedom fighters like the ones we are seeing in MI right now.    They will take their massive guns and harrass minority voters in swing states.

And president Trump will say the violence is awful on both sides...just awful. But many are saying that illegals are overrunning our elections and must be stopped. Many people!

Then,  when he wins re-election and stacks the Supreme Court, the 14th amendment will be reinterpreted to strip millions of their voting rights and make voting impossibly hard for millions more.

This is the future we are fighting against!

Forget the Supreme Court and 14th Amendment. They're going after the whole Constitution. The real goal isn't to keep Trump in power. That's just a bonus. The real goal is to take over the State legislatures. If they get ⅔ of the State legislatures, they can invoke a Constitutional Convention even if every Democrat opposes it. They came very close to that in Trump's first two years: 33 State legislatures under GOP control. Do the math: what is #x2154; of 50 states? The midterms helped a little, but not nearly enough (I think they have 30 right now). Even before the 2016 elections when they got to the 33, they were so certain of being able to accomplish this that they held a practice Convention of States in late September of 2016, over a month before Trump was elected and with him enough state legislators to bring them to the 33 and so close to the magic 34.

Never mind that this is a Census year, and in the previous Census year (2010) with the aid of James O'Queef and his "Project Veritas" took down ACORN, which was getting inner city voters registered and to the polls, and the sudden loss of them (because Obama and Democratic Congressfolk believed Backpfeifengesicht Boy's bald-faced lying videos and passed and signed that unconstitutional Bill of Attainder defunding them right before the Census election when they were needed most and the DNC / DCCC had no GotV infrastructure of their own in the inner cities. That, combined with the ill-advised "Run from Obama" DNC policy, caused a whopping eleven State legislatures to fall to GOP control, and over ½ of them had been fully Democratic control before ― both chambers! Of course, the legislatures elected in a Census year get to draw the new Congressional boundaries, and if a Red State loses a District, they get to decide which District and thus which Congressperson goes away without having to be voted out (at least one Democratic stalwart who'd been re-elected for decades lost his seat that way).

We focus on the Presidency and taking back the Senate, and those are very important indeed, but if we lose even just one over ¼ as many State legislatures as was lost in 2010, it's Game Over for the Constitution. The new Constitution will be an unholy combination of Old Testament Bible Law (all of it, not just the Ten Commandments) and Ayn Rand. And it'll be permanent and irrevocable.
 
2020-05-15 12:09:03 PM  
Meh. I prefer voting to shooting  but I can do both. Whatever happens, happens.
 
2020-05-15 12:11:03 PM  

crumblecat: If it's Trump's cosplay commandos vs the USMC I know HO my money is on.


A small train?
 
2020-05-15 12:11:32 PM  

gunga galunga: Would Fox News as a company be on board with it? I don't know about that. Sure, the most sycophantic of the Trumphumpers may be screaming "coup", like Client #3, Frau Ingraham, and Judge Lush, but I kinda suspect that Rupert Murdoch is tired of his network being a cheerleader to a pathetic moron and would be glad to switch the narrative to focusing on how Joe Biden is an even worse President that Obama.


Ding Ding Ding!  We have a winner!

Fox and Murdoch don't give a rats ass about any particular person.  They care about producing entertainment to sell ads, period.  They'll get 8 years of really good mileage profit out of their Joe Biden BoogeyMan, just like they did from Obama and Clinton.
 
2020-05-15 12:12:26 PM  
Here's my nightmare scenario: Trump and the Republican establishment keep pushing the "Polls and election results are fake news unless they skew red" mantra on their followers, right up to election day. Trump has no choice in the matter. He is a malignant narcissist who lacks the capability of self doubt. Trump loses massively in the popular vote, but the electoral college count is very close, and there are states requiring a recount, electronic voting boxes with faulty readings, and so on. Trump rants about election fraud on twitter, uses phrases like "boogaloo" and relevant QAnon code words, because the Twitterverse is Trumps world now.There are plenty of right wing nut jobs out there in the boonies who have been hoarding guns and ammo for decades for just such an occasion. The misconception I tend to hear from Liberals is that such an uprising would be a simple matter of sending in the Army, or drone strikes. How simple was it to put down an insurrection in Afghanistan?If a right wing insurrection were to occur, a pandemic that destroyed the rural economy beyond hope of repair would be the perfect time to start one. Instead of forming up in ranks to be gunned down, the insurgents could do massive damage to our already crumbling infrastructure by cutting RR tracks, cutting levees, cell phone towers, power lines. bridges. Remember, there are tons of explosive available to rural folks with enough diesel and fertilizer and a recipe downloaded off the Internet.It is important to note that the Armed Forces, particularly the National Guard, is full of right wing nutjobs who joined so they could have access to military hardware and training when the "boogaloo" starts. It is so common,it has become a trope.
 
2020-05-15 12:16:21 PM  
A far more likely scenario you should worry about is the large number of mail-in votes making it impossible to declare a winner on election night at all
 
2020-05-15 12:19:07 PM  
/dnrtfa

This is my biggest concern. And I've said it multiple times. If he wins, as a country, we're farked. If he loses, as a country, we're farked. There's millions of people that are heavily armed and frothing at the mouth to kill something or somebody that's making their life suck. They're too too stupid understand it's the government they keep putting in charge. It's much easier to blame blacks and gays and immigrants and liberals
 
2020-05-15 12:19:18 PM  

Latinwolf: RasIanI: RussianPotato: Why, that'd be as disastrous as all the Shillary people saying she won the popular vote and therefore should be president.

Nobody said that she should be president because she won the popular vote - they pointed out that the electors in Electoral College could choose to go with the winner of the popular vote instead of the traditional and historical practice of voting for the winner of the state. It was never going to happen - and no one expected it to happen. That's disingenuous. But it did create a lot of discussion about how outdated the EC has become. Sorry - that's how intellect works in groups.


There's a current SC case regarding the EC, Justice Thomas said the following:

In a line of hypothetical questioning during Wednesday oral arguments on the Electoral College, Justice Clarence Thomas brought up the hobbit from the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy in a case that would decide whether states can bind presidential electors to vote for the state's popular-vote winner.

Thomas has drawn attention over the past two weeks for asking more questions during the court's new pandemic-prompted telephone system during oral arguments than he has asked for more than a decade in the courtroom. On Wednesday, when posing a hypothetical to Jason Harrow, representing a so-called faithless elector from Colorado, the newly loquacious justice used Baggins as a case study.

Harrow was in the midst of making the argument that electors are best placed to make the ultimate decision for whom to cast their vote. But Thomas was poised to poke a hole in his argument, armed with characters from J.R.R. Tolkien's work.

"The elector who had promised to vote for the winning candidate could suddenly say, you now, I'm going to vote for Frodo Baggins. I really like Frodo Baggins. And you're saying, under your system, you can't do anything about that," Thomas said.

Harrow was quick to point out to the justice that Frodo Baggins is not a human.
"Your honor, I think there ...


Nitpick, The Lord of the Rings. Frodo wasn't born yet in The Hobbit.
 
2020-05-15 12:20:12 PM  

Psychopompous: Here's my nightmare scenario: Trump and the Republican establishment keep pushing the "Polls and election results are fake news unless they skew red" mantra on their followers, right up to election day. Trump has no choice in the matter. He is a malignant narcissist who lacks the capability of self doubt. Trump loses massively in the popular vote, but the electoral college count is very close, and there are states requiring a recount, electronic voting boxes with faulty readings, and so on. Trump rants about election fraud on twitter, uses phrases like "boogaloo" and relevant QAnon code words, because the Twitterverse is Trumps world now.There are plenty of right wing nut jobs out there in the boonies who have been hoarding guns and ammo for decades for just such an occasion. The misconception I tend to hear from Liberals is that such an uprising would be a simple matter of sending in the Army, or drone strikes. How simple was it to put down an insurrection in Afghanistan?If a right wing insurrection were to occur, a pandemic that destroyed the rural economy beyond hope of repair would be the perfect time to start one. Instead of forming up in ranks to be gunned down, the insurgents could do massive damage to our already crumbling infrastructure by cutting RR tracks, cutting levees, cell phone towers, power lines. bridges. Remember, there are tons of explosive available to rural folks with enough diesel and fertilizer and a recipe downloaded off the Internet.It is important to note that the Armed Forces, particularly the National Guard, is full of right wing nutjobs who joined so they could have access to military hardware and training when the "boogaloo" starts. It is so common,it has become a trope.

All they'd need to do is storm the homes of a few key Democratic Electors on the day of the Electoral College vote and hold their families at gunpoint unless they vote for Trump. There'd be no Constitutional remedy for this since the Electoral College election is the only one that matters (well, that, and the Joint Session of Congress the following month that certifies the Electoral College election ― that's when the winner officially becomes President-Elect).
 
2020-05-15 12:22:11 PM  
The Orange Slime and his fascist, Republican buddies have ran this country in the mf'ing ground. Another four years of these idiots would be ratings death for Fox.
 
2020-05-15 12:24:50 PM  

Psychopompous: Here's my nightmare scenario: Trump and the Republican establishment keep pushing the "Polls and election results are fake news unless they skew red" mantra on their followers, right up to election day. Trump has no choice in the matter. He is a malignant narcissist who lacks the capability of self doubt. Trump loses massively in the popular vote, but the electoral college count is very close, and there are states requiring a recount, electronic voting boxes with faulty readings, and so on. Trump rants about election fraud on twitter, uses phrases like "boogaloo" and relevant QAnon code words, because the Twitterverse is Trumps world now.There are plenty of right wing nut jobs out there in the boonies who have been hoarding guns and ammo for decades for just such an occasion. The misconception I tend to hear from Liberals is that such an uprising would be a simple matter of sending in the Army, or drone strikes. How simple was it to put down an insurrection in Afghanistan?If a right wing insurrection were to occur, a pandemic that destroyed the rural economy beyond hope of repair would be the perfect time to start one. Instead of forming up in ranks to be gunned down, the insurgents could do massive damage to our already crumbling infrastructure by cutting RR tracks, cutting levees, cell phone towers, power lines. bridges. Remember, there are tons of explosive available to rural folks with enough diesel and fertilizer and a recipe downloaded off the Internet.It is important to note that the Armed Forces, particularly the National Guard, is full of right wing nutjobs who joined so they could have access to military hardware and training when the "boogaloo" starts. It is so common,it has become a trope.


THIS.  This is what the next civil war is going to be.  Not red states fighting it out with blue states, but a gradual decline in the ability of the government to provide basic security, services, and stability in more and more areas.
 
2020-05-15 12:32:17 PM  

RasIanI: inglixthemad: NeoCortex42: If?  Try "when".

Also, he'll be backseat driving the entirety of the next administration. It's up to the press to just ignore him once he's out of office.

Honestly, I doubt he'd follow through. First off it could (would) generate a lot of terminal problems for himself, and Pence, from the military.

Let's say that doesn't happen. There'd be a lot of pissed off libs spoiling for a fight if he riled up his base to engage in conflict, and I don't mean words or spitballs. He'd find out how little Meal Team Six is worth in a fight, very, very,  quickly.

If he loses he is going to troll non-stop. Especially if SDNY is making his life miserable.


Trolling is one thing, courting armed insurrection is another thing entirely. Let's say he's on his way out of office and riling up armed insurrection. At that point he'd find out that there are limits to Secret Service protection, and him being an idiot won't help them protect him at all. That's assuming one of the Secret Service doesn't decide to put an end to it for the good of the country.

However let us say that he is sitting there troll-tweeting riling up Meal Team Six to be belligerent and violent. The problem for him is Meal Team Six really are a bunch of wannabe losers. The outright racist or other conservative a$$hats (e.g. the Proud Boys) might be "spoiling for a fight with the libs" but we all know how it works. We show up, they tuck tail and run because they're outnumbered.

The reason these idiots are such squeaky wheels is that they know they're in the minority in regards to public opinion. Doubly so for the outright Nazi/Racist a$$hats. All it will take is a couple episodes of actual violence after he loses, and you'll see more liberal groups start showing up armed like the Black Panthers. Conservatives have this fantasy, Schrödinger's libruls, that are simultaneously wimpy snowflakes and terrifying thugs. This will be their undoing.

One "protest" will start. They will be met, again, by a group of durty libz counter-protesting. However one, or a few, deluded members of Meal Team Six/Proud Boys/Nazis will decide now is the time for their (culture / race) war, and open fire. A few durty libz will be killed, and that will be the harbinger of things they don't expect. The next time they will then be facing armed durty libz, who will likely be better shots than they are, ready to kill them at the first sign of violence. In that moment, the Meal Team Six racists/fascists, the "Proud Boys", et al., will find out the moment they step out of line and start violence is the moment they forfeit their lives.

Us durty old libz try to be decent people, good Americans, following the Constitution. We allow that people may have different views we may consider wrong. We don't mind if they march, et al., peaceably no matter how much we think the ideas they're espousing are wrong-headed or even hate-filled / blindly stupid. Don't push us with violence, however, it's not going to generate a good response.
 
2020-05-15 12:35:57 PM  
Stop the Coup, Vote Blue!


GOP has been practicing their coup since the "Southern Strategy", pandering a base of farking racist morons, and religious nut cases, fark those anti-American Fascists.
 
2020-05-15 12:37:25 PM  

50th: What will happen?   A bunch of overweight middle-aged white rednecks will die, that's what will happen.


And the world will be a better place for it.
 
2020-05-15 12:38:38 PM  

Psychopompous: Here's my nightmare scenario: Trump and the Republican establishment keep pushing the "Polls and election results are fake news unless they skew red" mantra on their followers, right up to election day. Trump has no choice in the matter. He is a malignant narcissist who lacks the capability of self doubt. Trump loses massively in the popular vote, but the electoral college count is very close, and there are states requiring a recount, electronic voting boxes with faulty readings, and so on. Trump rants about election fraud on twitter, uses phrases like "boogaloo" and relevant QAnon code words, because the Twitterverse is Trumps world now.There are plenty of right wing nut jobs out there in the boonies who have been hoarding guns and ammo for decades for just such an occasion. The misconception I tend to hear from Liberals is that such an uprising would be a simple matter of sending in the Army, or drone strikes. How simple was it to put down an insurrection in Afghanistan?If a right wing insurrection were to occur, a pandemic that destroyed the rural economy beyond hope of repair would be the perfect time to start one. Instead of forming up in ranks to be gunned down, the insurgents could do massive damage to our already crumbling infrastructure by cutting RR tracks, cutting levees, cell phone towers, power lines. bridges. Remember, there are tons of explosive available to rural folks with enough diesel and fertilizer and a recipe downloaded off the Internet.It is important to note that the Armed Forces, particularly the National Guard, is full of right wing nutjobs who joined so they could have access to military hardware and training when the "boogaloo" starts. It is so common,it has become a trope.


There are not enough people to do any real damage, most of them who would be willing to pop off are already protesting and identified.
 
2020-05-15 12:39:26 PM  
Don't worry. All those heavily armed Americans who talk about using force to overthrow tyrannical governments will surely step up to help.

I could barely finish typing that because I was laughing so hysterically. Or maybe crying hysterically. It's hard to tell the difference sometimes.
 
2020-05-15 12:43:07 PM  

SoupGuru: Hand Banana: SoupGuru: You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.

I wish people would stop repeating this crap. Trump cannot stop the election, not in his wildest dreams.

He also can't fire someone for investigating him. Or ignore subpoenas. Or personally profit from his office. Or intimidate witnesses.


It comes down to the will of anybody who could physically stop/remove him, versus the will of those who would interfere with that. Legally, they'll just kick the can around a bunch while letting him finish shiatting on the chess board.
 
2020-05-15 12:43:27 PM  

aug3: Once trump is no longer president, will twitter ban him? we will miss his epic rant about how his freedum of speech is being violated


Don't worry he will be a constant guest on onn .
 
2020-05-15 12:46:18 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Come on, happens all the time.  We know how to deal with this.

[hips.hearstapps.com image 480x481]


OK, so who is that? Google image search returns "Public Speaking" as a result, with pics and articles of people speaking in public.

Sometimes I thin that Google purposely screws with some searches.
 
2020-05-15 12:47:17 PM  

odinsposse: I'm just going to keep saying this. Trump saying he doesn't accept the election results is one of the least dangerous scenarios for this election. Trump doesn't have any power over the Electoral college and his consent is meaningless. The much more dangerous issues are Republicans suppressing votes and outright rigging elections.


I think if he loses, there will be bloodshed. And he'll encourage it. Not because it will change the result, but because it would be such an ego boost for him to watch Americans kill each other for him.
 
2020-05-15 12:47:32 PM  
The day he loses the election is the day he gets booted off Twitter.
 
2020-05-15 12:50:38 PM  

exqqqme: The day he loses the election is the day he gets booted off Twitter.


are you kidding after he's not president he's never going to *stop* tweeting
 
2020-05-15 12:54:25 PM  

gunga galunga: Would Fox News as a company be on board with it? I don't know about that. Sure, the most sycophantic of the Trumphumpers may be screaming "coup", like Client #3, Frau Ingraham, and Judge Lush, but I kinda suspect that Rupert Murdoch is tired of his network being a cheerleader to a pathetic moron and would be glad to switch the narrative to focusing on how Joe Biden is an even worse President that Obama.


Lush Rimbaugh would be good with a Biden presidency. I used to listen to him. He has explicitly said many times that Democrats in control mean better ratings and ad revenues for right wing talk radio personalities.
 
2020-05-15 12:58:11 PM  

ElwoodCuse: SoupGuru: Hand Banana: SoupGuru: You guys are cute, thinking there's going to be an election.

I wish people would stop repeating this crap. Trump cannot stop the election, not in his wildest dreams.

He also can't fire someone for investigating him. Or ignore subpoenas. Or personally profit from his office. Or intimidate witnesses.

Those things are very different and it's really tiring seeing people try to use them to justify "Trump can do anything". It allows people to pretend Trump is some sort of dangerous outlier and ignore that the problem is that America is a failed state.

Let me know when Trump has his "Mr. Marshall has made his decision. Now let him enforce it" moment.

It's also really stupid to keep repeating this nonsense because Trump wants there to be an election. He's certain that Republican vote suppression efforts will just make him win. And the pandemic is a bonus, since the maga chuds either think the virus isn't real or don't care if they die voting for Trump.


So what you are saying is that Red states should hurry up and pass "Pre-Vote" laws allowing Republican voters to designate their votes prior to November, just in case they die from the 'rona before November?
 
2020-05-15 12:59:01 PM  
If Fox News parrots it then it should be open season on them. If they're openly inciting violence, then what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
2020-05-15 1:00:40 PM  
When Trump loses, he will try to pulls a Grover Cleavland, he will campaign against Biden, and run again in 2024.. if hes not in jail and still alive
 
2020-05-15 1:07:14 PM  

RussianPotato: Why, that'd be as disastrous as all the Shillary people saying she won the popular vote and therefore should be president.


Just curious - when, exactly, was the last time a Republican won the popular vote for the White House? I mean, you kind of have to go back a bit, don't you?

You guys couldn't win a "one person, one vote" election if there was only one person voting, now you got guys thinking Trump's going to carry forty states. Real curious about which states he thinks he's gonna flip.
 
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