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(Slate)   Is cheap meat really an "essential" American right?   (slate.com) divider line
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2020-05-15 3:02:43 AM  
Well, let's not start sucking each other's dicks quite yet. There are other ways to get protein.
 
2020-05-15 4:42:16 AM  
It's Capitalist Twilight America, subby. "Essential" means "profitable to shareholders," just as "hero" and "sacrifice" mean "expendable human grease for the machinery."
 
2020-05-15 7:13:29 AM  
It's an addiction that if it goes away means trouble for the ruling class. Plebs are fine being plebs when their stomachs are full of cheap processed meat and there's a sports game on to to distract them from reality.

Frankly the lost of creature comforts is far more revolution fodder than deaths ever could be.
 
2020-05-15 7:34:32 AM  
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2020-05-15 7:36:55 AM  
I hear ass is on the menu

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2020-05-15 7:44:21 AM  

tjsands1118: It's an addiction that if it goes away means trouble for the ruling class. Plebs are fine being plebs when their stomachs are full of cheap processed meat and there's a sports game on to to distract them from reality.

Frankly the lost of creature comforts is far more revolution fodder than deaths ever could be.


To run a revolution you historically need a few things: a miserable and desperate underclass, an out-of-touch and incompetent ruling class, a frustrated educated class that feels there's no possibility for advancement within the system, and a romantic idea about what would make things better. We've got the second, and we've got the third if you're under 40 or so.

We don't really have the first quite yet. Life sucks if you're poor in America, but not more than life generally sucks if your poor in most places or times. The shiatty state of the poor in America isn't so much that things are absolutely shiatty, but rather that things are so much shiattier than they could or should be in the wealthiest and most productive society that has ever existed in human history. But that could change very, very quickly -- it doesn't matter if you've got a 3-year-old iPhone if you're getting evicted and you can't afford food.

And we don't really have the fourth, either. Reformation-era Protestantism, Enlightenment-era liberty, Romantic-era nationalism, Industrial-Revolution-era socialism, 20th-century Communism and anticolonialism and Islamism have all sparked international revolutionary waves. What fires the imaginations of the would-be revolutionaries today? Other than populist neo-fascism, I don't really see much of a global revolutionary topple-the-state movement being organised. And I really, really, really don't want to see the world *that* revolution produces.
 
2020-05-15 7:47:29 AM  

tjsands1118: It's an addiction that if it goes away means trouble for the ruling class. Plebs are fine being plebs when their stomachs are full of cheap processed meat and there's a sports game on to to distract them from reality.

Frankly the lost of creature comforts is far more revolution fodder than deaths ever could be.


Bread and Circuses.

But when they run out....
 
2020-05-15 7:53:16 AM  
TFA: " To be successful was to eat beef. "


It is one hellovah lifestyle, sitting around drinking gin while waiting around to check Parliament for hidden black powder just so the Queen can visit.

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/if you get bored, you can guide a tour at the Tower of London
 
2020-05-15 7:55:51 AM  
Cheap Meat sounds like a long lost Stooges album.
 
2020-05-15 8:10:08 AM  
Not really, and the world would be better if we didn't eat so much of it.

Don't get me wrong, there is something primally satisfying about grilling flesh over a fire, and I will do it periodically over this coming summer. But the reality is, we don't need it.

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Both veggies.
 
2020-05-15 8:26:52 AM  
No.
 
2020-05-15 8:34:47 AM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: TFA: " To be successful was to eat beef. "


It is one hellovah lifestyle, sitting around drinking gin while waiting around to check Parliament for hidden black powder just so the Queen can visit.

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/if you get bored, you can guide a tour at the Tower of London


The Beefeaters are Yeomen Warders. The similarly attired dudes that check parliament are Yeomen of the Guard.
 
2020-05-15 9:37:25 AM  

EnderWiggnz: Bread and Circuses.

But when they run out....


When they run out.... the guillotine I'm building will get lots of usage.
 
2020-05-15 10:05:52 AM  
Yes it is. Just ask subby's mom.
 
2020-05-15 10:10:43 AM  
You consider cheap healthcare to be a human right but cheap food to be a blight on society.

Interesting.
 
2020-05-15 10:23:59 AM  

pkjun: It's Capitalist Twilight America, subby. "Essential" means "profitable to shareholders," just as "hero" and "sacrifice" mean "expendable human grease for the machinery."


And yet here you are ,enjoying the fruits of the system you claim to despise.

Funny how that so often happens.
 
2020-05-15 10:26:52 AM  

This text is now purple: You consider cheap healthcare to be a human right but cheap food to be a blight on society.

Interesting.



Carousel Beast: pkjun: It's Capitalist Twilight America, subby. "Essential" means "profitable to shareholders," just as "hero" and "sacrifice" mean "expendable human grease for the machinery."

And yet here you are ,enjoying the fruits of the system you claim to despise.

Funny how that so often happens.


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2020-05-15 12:05:57 PM  

This text is now purple: You consider cheap healthcare to be a human right but cheap food to be a blight on society.

Interesting.


"Cheap" is relative. The problem with "cheap" food today is that it's often subsidized, processed, garbage, that has low nutritional value and high health costs. I don't mind meat itself being cheap, however the way we make it cheap could cause us a lot of issues as a society, and I'm not just talking about people being fat.

I'd rather than society, in general, stop having fresh food deserts. I'd prefer for people to eat a healthier diet, one that they have time to cook for themselves. The improvement of physical health alone would be worth modifying how we treat the low of society. There would be nice secondary effects. People's mental health would be better, people would have more time to actually raise (and be involved) with their kids, spouses would probably get along better, and so on. This would take a generation to accomplish, at least. Employers would howl like a wounded beast, because they would be expected to let employees work 40-45 hours a week at most, while paying a decent wage. No more treating the underclass as disposable near slave labor. No more working the lower level white collars 50+ hours a week.

Maybe we'd lose some of that non-essential "keep up with the neighbors" materialism shiat in a couple generations. There is a happy medium to be found, one that doesn't have employers treating their employees like serfs. One that doesn't have people eating unhealthy shiat, or constantly eating out, because they have no time to prepare a meal. One that doesn't have kids, even during the lockdown, seeing their parents staring at screens for work 10 hours a day, but actually being able to spend time with family.

I remember when things were quite a bit different. Yes, I'm very old.
 
2020-05-15 2:27:48 PM  
At the grocery store, a whole chicken is about $5.  Through my local CSA, they're about $30.  Do factory farms really save that much?  I realize $5 means the chicken is probably barely worth more than the feed and water it takes to grow it, but $30 seems a bit high as well.   Beef on the other hand averages about $11/lb when ordering shares of a cow, which is not nearly as much of a differential as the chicken situation
 
2020-05-15 2:44:05 PM  
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Sounds like a menu most farkers would support.  Your choices are beer to drink and steak to eat.
 
2020-05-15 2:52:36 PM  
It's amazing what you can do with a cheap piece of meat.

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2020-05-15 3:19:02 PM  
Nope, and meat is going away. The plant based alternatives are almost as good already and getting better by the day. The biggest challenge is the American male's idea that you have to eat meat to be tough.

Our sudden inability to get the animals on people's plates lays bare the fact that we needlessly base our food chain on industrialized killing, and we find ourselves using ridiculous euphemisms such as "euthanasia" and "depopulation" as we slaughter vast quantities of animals and bobcat them into shallow mass graves.

Sorry, if you kill an animal because it is no longer profitable to keep it alive, you don't get to call it "euthanasia". You are not doing anyone a favor and the only suffering you are saving it from is that which you imposed on it.
 
2020-05-15 5:14:01 PM  
Unless you've living in a remote area where the only available protein comes from animals you hunt yourself, you really, really don't need to eat meat every day. Even if most people could just cut back to two or three times a week, it would be a huge step in the right direction.
 
2020-05-15 5:29:32 PM  

tjsands1118: It's an addiction that if it goes away means trouble for the ruling class. Plebs are fine being plebs when their stomachs are full of cheap processed meat and there's a sports game on to to distract them from reality.

Frankly the lost of creature comforts is far more revolution fodder than deaths ever could be.


Yeah, you and I apparently have a totally different view of "processed" meats. Because I'm not having issues finding bologna, ham, sausage, pickled loaf, and other actual processed meats. I'm having trouble finding fresh chicken, beef, and pork. The only "processing" involved in what normal people are talking about here is the "processing" that keeps them from just selling you a side of beef and telling you that you're on you own to butcher it.
 
2020-05-15 5:36:07 PM  

Hollie Maea: Nope, and meat is going away. The plant based alternatives are almost as good already and getting better by the day. The biggest challenge is the American male's idea that you have to eat meat to be tough.


For me, the biggest challenge is that plant-based meats are very fiber-heavy. They may be indistinguishable when you eat them, but the farts tell the truth.
 
2020-05-15 5:47:08 PM  
Yes, of course beef eating was about being successful, but also in a way, about being a successful man. You see it across the socioeconomic spectrum. So, the labor movement was producing pamphlets advocating for Chinese exclusion, basically saying that American manhood is threatened by bringing in workers who-in their racist terms-could survive on rice. [The title of the 1902 pamphlet by Samuel Gompers and Herman Gutstadt: Meat vs. Rice: American Manhood Vs. Asiatic Coolieism, Which Shall Survive?]

And Farkers here still don't understand Trump's popularity with the blue-collar voter.
 
2020-05-15 6:25:15 PM  

bhcompy: At the grocery store, a whole chicken is about $5.  Through my local CSA, they're about $30.  Do factory farms really save that much?  I realize $5 means the chicken is probably barely worth more than the feed and water it takes to grow it, but $30 seems a bit high as well.   Beef on the other hand averages about $11/lb when ordering shares of a cow, which is not nearly as much of a differential as the chicken situation


I am not 100% on the supply chain, but I don't think it is profitable to send cattle or chicken remnants to Tyson or whomever. One an animal is deboned, the brush off the soft tissues connected to the skeleton for fillers in your shaped meat. The dreaded pink goo hippies whine about. A 5 dollar chicken plus 6 chicken nuggets equals more profit. And then you have volume. Factories like it nice and cheap, become us poors can't justify a 10 dollar chicken. Thus moving money from small business to big business. And they sell chicken nuggets. More profits.

Capitalism.
 
2020-05-15 7:24:59 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: It's amazing what you can do with a cheap piece of meat.

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Eating Raoul, did not expect to see that here!
 
2020-05-15 8:11:02 PM  

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People zoomed in on his phone during a broadcast once and he had some weird porn on screen. Eating ass is the least out there of his interests I think.
 
2020-05-16 12:36:44 AM  

bhcompy: At the grocery store, a whole chicken is about $5.  Through my local CSA, they're about $30.  Do factory farms really save that much?  I realize $5 means the chicken is probably barely worth more than the feed and water it takes to grow it, but $30 seems a bit high as well.   Beef on the other hand averages about $11/lb when ordering shares of a cow, which is not nearly as much of a differential as the chicken situation


You are actually paying too much if you are paying $11/# for beef. You shouldn't pay more than $4 a pound for a half or full steer packaged. Maybe it costs more where the cost of living is higher?

My last purchase was a half steer which ended up as 400# of beef (we chose to do 1/3 ground) for $1,300. This was two years ago and it worked out to be just a bit over $3/#. It took over a year to eat it all (roasts went last).

$1.50/# on the hoof (how much the cow weighs as it is standing there, looking at you)
$400 butchering costs for the whole cow (divide by the fraction of cow you get)

So a cow weighing 1400# costs $2100 for the whole animal, with another $400 to process. So call it $2500 for a whole cow which provides 800# of beef.
 
2020-05-16 2:14:11 AM  
If we hadn't evolved eating meat we would be as dumb as cows and something else would be eating us
 
2020-05-16 10:10:28 AM  

tjsands1118: It's an addiction that if it goes away means trouble for the ruling class. Plebs are fine being plebs when their stomachs are full of cheap processed meat and there's a sports game on to to distract them from reality.
Frankly the lost of creature comforts is far more revolution fodder than deaths ever could be.


Creature comforts are food, a roof over your head, running water. The rest of it is optional. All the other shiat is just to distract us from the fact that the REAL creature comforts, like clean air to breath, have been sold off and we aren't supposed to notice. You all were too busy dining at that cool new ethnic restaurant.
And all of a sudden, Whoops, what happened to all of our resources?
We gave it away, you stupid farks. Just like everybody warned us.
 
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