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2020-05-14 3:39:47 PM  
I can't speak for anyone else.  But just because the bars and restaurants open doesn't mean I'm going to be running to them right away.
 
2020-05-14 6:16:09 PM  
It'll be the usual percentage, the house always takes its cut.
 
2020-05-14 7:22:10 PM  
How do you fix a country where a TV station has turned 40% of the population into mindless zombies who will do the exact opposite of whatever is smart, reasonable, and self-preserving.

They're willing to screw themselves in hopes that maybe they'll send a message to some faceless enemy that doesn't exist.

This is a broken kind of thinking that can't be repaired, I don't think.
 
2020-05-14 7:29:00 PM  
I'd say 20% dead within a year.
 
2020-05-14 7:29:29 PM  

JerkStore: How do you fix a country where a TV station has turned 40% of the population into mindless zombies who will do the exact opposite of whatever is smart, reasonable, and self-preserving.

They're willing to screw themselves in hopes that maybe they'll send a message to some faceless enemy that doesn't exist.

This is a broken kind of thinking that can't be repaired, I don't think.


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2020-05-14 7:38:54 PM  
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2020-05-14 7:43:22 PM  
Sucker bet. I ain't touchin' that action.
 
2020-05-14 9:02:16 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: I'd say 20% dead within a year.


Dr. Bright had it right.  It's going to be a dark winter.  A dark fat winter.
 
2020-05-14 9:14:10 PM  
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2020-05-14 9:44:32 PM  
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2020-05-14 10:51:44 PM  
the pic of the lady mauling that old guys mask. He'll be dead by monday
 
2020-05-14 10:53:46 PM  
So this would be making that standard joke more easy to visualize:

"I risked getting infected at a protest rally!"

"Hold my beer..."
 
2020-05-14 10:54:11 PM  
Elbow to elbow, no masks among them and a kid behind the bar. Truly America's best and brightest.
 
2020-05-14 10:56:26 PM  
Clearly, the stay at home order hit alcoholics particularly hard.
 
2020-05-14 10:56:47 PM  
With or without coronavirus? A couple of them look like they have Velveeta coursing through their veins.
 
2020-05-14 10:58:59 PM  
Some current numbers, for future reference:

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2020-05-14 10:59:32 PM  
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2020-05-14 10:59:58 PM  
I'm able to work from home, so it's really easy for me to say that I'm going to stay home as much as possible.

However, that situation isn't possible for a whole lot of people. I wholehartedly disagree with the congregating in bars, but the workers are in a really tough situation. This country has set itself up for failure in a long term pandemic more than most, if not all, industrialized countries and the wealth gap is going to be even bigger once we come out of it.
 
2020-05-14 11:00:48 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: I'd say 20% dead within a year.


Nah, only 5%.  That's one in twenty.  Great odds.
 
2020-05-14 11:01:23 PM  
The party of no. Don't have a plan, but we don't want a Democratic plan.

Republicans who asked the Supreme Court to strike down the order haven't offered a plan to replace Evers' plan
 
2020-05-14 11:02:32 PM  
99.9% of them likely will not die or even suffer ill effects from the virus.
On the other hand, the people they come into contact with (and the people those people come into contact with, and so on)...

I don't understand why people find it so hard to grasp this simple fact of this crisis: the virus is highly contagious, and it takes all of us maintaining safe practices to contain it, not just the more vulnerable.
 
2020-05-14 11:03:19 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: I'm able to work from home, so it's really easy for me to say that I'm going to stay home as much as possible.

However, that situation isn't possible for a whole lot of people. I wholehartedly disagree with the congregating in bars, but the workers are in a really tough situation. This country has set itself up for failure in a long term pandemic more than most, if not all, industrialized countries and the wealth gap is going to be even bigger once we come out of it.


Meanwhile Bezos is about to become the worlds first trillionaire and taxing him more for UBI and HCFA would be bad.
 
2020-05-14 11:03:51 PM  
People stay home, economy collapses, people wait til pandemic is over, people go back to work.

People open early, go to work. People get sick/die, economy collapses. Dead people can't go back to work.
 
2020-05-14 11:07:11 PM  
WONT SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHEESE CURDS!?!!!?

/Honestly, Wisco's are the best
//I've got nuthin'
 
2020-05-14 11:09:05 PM  
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2020-05-14 11:10:04 PM  
Somewhere Rorschach is practicing whispering, "No."
 
2020-05-14 11:10:52 PM  

JerkStore: How do you fix a country where a TV station has turned 40% of the population into mindless zombies who will do the exact opposite of whatever is smart, reasonable, and self-preserving.

They're willing to screw themselves in hopes that maybe they'll send a message to some faceless enemy that doesn't exist.

This is a broken kind of thinking that can't be repaired, I don't think.


Drone strikes at the following coordinates:

40.741895,-73.989308
26.767049,-80.038447
40.741895,-73.989308

That alone won't fix the problem, but it will help. We may need additional drone strikes as new targets are located.
 
2020-05-14 11:11:53 PM  

sirgrim: KiwDaWabbit: I'm able to work from home, so it's really easy for me to say that I'm going to stay home as much as possible.

However, that situation isn't possible for a whole lot of people. I wholehartedly disagree with the congregating in bars, but the workers are in a really tough situation. This country has set itself up for failure in a long term pandemic more than most, if not all, industrialized countries and the wealth gap is going to be even bigger once we come out of it.

Meanwhile Bezos is about to become the worlds first trillionaire and taxing him more for UBI and HCFA would be bad.


Exactly.

And, just to be clear, "the economy" isn't my concern. Having no safety net is my concern. For those who were fortunate enough to survive the first peak, we're still in the (relatively) easiest part of where this thing is actually headed.
 
2020-05-14 11:12:25 PM  
Reilly said he planned to keep the restaurant open and would implement some safety procedures, such as checking temperatures of everyone in the restaurant and moving tables 6 feet apart.

Wait what?
 
2020-05-14 11:12:40 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: I'm able to work from home, so it's really easy for me to say that I'm going to stay home as much as possible.

However, that situation isn't possible for a whole lot of people. I wholehartedly disagree with the congregating in bars, but the workers are in a really tough situation. This country has set itself up for failure in a long term pandemic more than most, if not all, industrialized countries and the wealth gap is going to be even bigger once we come out of it.


Yup. I have sympathy for the people who want to reopen. It's not just haircuts. Stop being dicks and saying it's people who want to get their hair cut. A lot of people are absolutely going to lose everything they have ever worked for. I know that the pressure to open will lead to more cases which will lead to more damage, but these people are up against a wall. I'm not the leader to show them the way, but I know anyone who minimizes their pain definitely isn't helping.

If we hadn't farked up the last few months, it wouldn't have to be this way, but we did and it does.
 
2020-05-14 11:15:39 PM  
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2020-05-14 11:17:08 PM  
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2020-05-14 11:18:57 PM  

thurstonxhowell: KiwDaWabbit: I'm able to work from home, so it's really easy for me to say that I'm going to stay home as much as possible.

However, that situation isn't possible for a whole lot of people. I wholehartedly disagree with the congregating in bars, but the workers are in a really tough situation. This country has set itself up for failure in a long term pandemic more than most, if not all, industrialized countries and the wealth gap is going to be even bigger once we come out of it.

Yup. I have sympathy for the people who want to reopen. It's not just haircuts. Stop being dicks and saying it's people who want to get their hair cut. A lot of people are absolutely going to lose everything they have ever worked for. I know that the pressure to open will lead to more cases which will lead to more damage, but these people are up against a wall. I'm not the leader to show them the way, but I know anyone who minimizes their pain definitely isn't helping.

If we hadn't farked up the last few months, it wouldn't have to be this way, but we did and it does.


Giving your tax dollars to Ruth's Chis Steakhouse instead of Back the people who paid the goddamn taxes in the first place Might have helped alleviate that somewhat.
 
2020-05-14 11:19:13 PM  

Znuh: People stay home, economy collapses, people wait til pandemic is over, people go back to work.

People open early, go to work. People get sick/die, economy collapses. Dead people can't go back to work.


1% of people dying hurts the economy less than 100% of people being forced to stay home. Study it out.
 
2020-05-14 11:21:38 PM  

sirgrim: KiwDaWabbit: I'm able to work from home, so it's really easy for me to say that I'm going to stay home as much as possible.

However, that situation isn't possible for a whole lot of people. I wholehartedly disagree with the congregating in bars, but the workers are in a really tough situation. This country has set itself up for failure in a long term pandemic more than most, if not all, industrialized countries and the wealth gap is going to be even bigger once we come out of it.

Meanwhile Bezos is about to become the worlds first trillionaire and taxing him more for UBI and HCFA would be bad.


If sanity ever returns to this country, Amazon needs to be broken up, along with Google, Disney, Comcast, and a shiatload of other monstrous conglomerates. And they also need to have the fark taxed out of them.
 
2020-05-14 11:23:27 PM  

sirrerun: 99.9% of them likely will not die or even suffer ill effects from the virus.
On the other hand, the people they come into contact with (and the people those people come into contact with, and so on)...

I don't understand why people find it so hard to grasp this simple fact of this crisis: the virus is highly contagious, and it takes all of us maintaining safe practices to contain it, not just the more vulnerable.


And it's even MORE important for the "healthy young people" the GOPers are so keen to force back to work with or without protection to be protective.

Because if you get covid and you get sick, well pretty much anyone who isn't a sociopath will stay home & stop spreading it at that point and its transmission is shut down. But if you're 25 and there's a good chance you're asymptomatic, you might go around spreading it and spreading it and spreading it.

We don't need to achieve perfection to end this plague. Just 85%.

100% compliance with social distancing, mask wearing at all times in public, washing hands at every opportunity after touching public surfaces. Those 3 measures, and it would be virtually eliminated before summer was over.

But no, numbers go down, places are allowed to reopen, and everybody acts like BACK TO BUSINESS AS USUAL. Ugh.
 
2020-05-14 11:23:44 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: sirgrim: KiwDaWabbit: I'm able to work from home, so it's really easy for me to say that I'm going to stay home as much as possible.

However, that situation isn't possible for a whole lot of people. I wholehartedly disagree with the congregating in bars, but the workers are in a really tough situation. This country has set itself up for failure in a long term pandemic more than most, if not all, industrialized countries and the wealth gap is going to be even bigger once we come out of it.

Meanwhile Bezos is about to become the worlds first trillionaire and taxing him more for UBI and HCFA would be bad.

Exactly.

And, just to be clear, "the economy" isn't my concern. Having no safety net is my concern. For those who were fortunate enough to survive the first peak, we're still in the (relatively) easiest part of where this thing is actually headed.


Why can't "the economy" be a concern? What's so bad about that? People don't put they work they do into starting businesses because they want to sit home and rake in safety net money. I didn't put my time into learning the skills I did to sit home all day. The economy is a farking concern. Tell yourself you're actually concerned about mental health if that makes you happy, because, I'll tell you, sitting around and watching your business and/or career die isn't mentally healthy.

The problem is that we farked this up by putting aside health concerns and thinking about the economy in the short term. Had we taken the pandemic seriously and traded short-term economic pain for the health of our people, we wouldn't have to endure the level of health and economic hardship that is to come.
 
2020-05-14 11:24:53 PM  

Senseless_drivel: Clearly, the stay at home order hit alcoholics particularly hard.


Not true alcoholics, we're fine drinking at home.
 
2020-05-14 11:26:15 PM  

Shaggy_C: Znuh: People stay home, economy collapses, people wait til pandemic is over, people go back to work.

People open early, go to work. People get sick/die, economy collapses. Dead people can't go back to work.

1% of people dying hurts the economy less than 100% of people being forced to stay home. Study it out.


Well it's a damn good thing that 100% of people aren't being forced to stay home. Those unmanned nuclear plants melting down would be a real drag on your stock portfolio.
 
2020-05-14 11:27:55 PM  
I had a really rough day a couple days ago when it dawned on me: at this point, the people who want to open back up are right.

The lockdown is when they were meant to develop a system of testing, contact tracing, etc so that we could open back up and manage the virus. They didn't, and they won't, because they aren't remotely up to the task, and we can't wait a year for Biden to assemble a competent government.

So here we are, and as I watch my financial stability fall apart, and fear for the lives of the people I love, i'd just like to remind the people who voted for this guy to kindly go fark themselves.
 
2020-05-14 11:29:30 PM  

Znuh: People stay home, economy collapses, people wait til pandemic is over, people go back to work.

People open early, go to work. People get sick/die, economy collapses. Dead people can't go back to work.


And then they're underwater. And shark's underwater. Farewell and adieu You fair Spanish ladies...
 
2020-05-14 11:32:57 PM  

JerkStore: How do you fix a country where a TV station has turned 40% of the population into mindless zombies who will do the exact opposite of whatever is smart, reasonable, and self-preserving.

They're willing to screw themselves in hopes that maybe they'll send a message to some faceless enemy that doesn't exist.

This is a broken kind of thinking that can't be repaired, I don't think.


Many people only change their thinking when they believe it is their decision to do so, not because some fancy-talking lib explained it to them.
 
2020-05-14 11:38:42 PM  

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My friend is a real card. He's already started urging people to break local orders (he still lives in Appleton area) and urging travel to cottages and the like. He's also called on people to visit their legislators, et al., refuse to wear a mask (MASKS = SLAVERY) and not social distance (SOCIAL DISTANCING IS COMMUNISM) for amusement. Mind you he's posting these as replies to cheering Rethuglicans. One called him out on it, he's not a bashful lib, and he said if there's no public health emergency and the order isn't necessary then Rethuglicans should put up and open the schools and cut off any aid to individuals & businesses. Mind you, more than a few of the Rethuglicans he knows that we're crowing have medical conditions, and while they want to stick it to teh libz, they'd rather not be a statistic. Several deleted crowing threads rather than look foolish. As he said, posting pictures, "I just want to give you guys what you say you want and OPEN WISCONSIN NOW. You're not saying you (and others) were being... misleading... are you? You do believe it's safe to open... right?"
 
2020-05-14 11:41:35 PM  

Znuh: People stay home, economy collapses, people wait til pandemic is over, people go back to work.

People open early, go to work. People get sick/die, economy collapses. Dead people can't go back to work.


or disabled people
 
2020-05-14 11:47:15 PM  

inglixthemad: urging travel to cottages and the like.


If I was retired, or living off passive income, and owned a cottage, that is where I'd be right now. No internet, don't care. Cottage is fun. I'd listen to the news on the radio or maybe have satellite tv. Once July rolled around, either I'd hear that everyone survived and is doing fine, or I would hear the strangled wails as the zombies busted through the radio DJ's door. Then I would crack open another beer and cast another line into the lake. Another evening of trout and smores!
 
2020-05-14 11:49:14 PM  

xander450: The lockdown is when they were meant to develop a system of testing, contact tracing, etc so that we could open back up and manage the virus. They didn't, and they won't, because they aren't remotely up to the task


This is the crux of the problem.

The idiot wasted valuable time talking about his TV ratings, bleach-drinking, and hydroxychloroquine when he should have been coordinating the response and ramping up testing.

Now he's crowing about what a "tremendous job" he's done, and it's all I can do to keep from blasting a hole through my plasma screen.

One only needs to look at how other countries have handled this to realize what a fustercluck our [national] response has been.
 
2020-05-14 11:52:37 PM  
erik-k:

We don't need to achieve perfection to end this plague. Just 85%.

100% compliance with social distancing, mask wearing at all times in public, washing hands at every opportunity after touching public surfaces. Those 3 measures, and it would be virtually eliminated before summer was over.

But no, numbers go down, places are allowed to reopen, and everybody acts like BACK TO BUSINESS AS USUAL. Ugh.


NO, Dr. Internet.
Distancing isn't to STOP it, or contain it, or end it, but merely to slow it so there's room in the hospital for you if you need it.
Everyone not infected is eligible.
This is going to "go away" like H1N1 has gone away since its debut dance in 1918.
Even with an effective vaccine and a low rate of mutation, covid will remain a problem like measels for generations to come.
I don't think you grasp the situation properly.
 
2020-05-14 11:57:27 PM  
3% of people consume 85% of healthcare resources. Open everything up and maybe we get lower premiums.
 
2020-05-14 11:59:07 PM  

thurstonxhowell: KiwDaWabbit: sirgrim: KiwDaWabbit: I'm able to work from home, so it's really easy for me to say that I'm going to stay home as much as possible.

However, that situation isn't possible for a whole lot of people. I wholehartedly disagree with the congregating in bars, but the workers are in a really tough situation. This country has set itself up for failure in a long term pandemic more than most, if not all, industrialized countries and the wealth gap is going to be even bigger once we come out of it.

Meanwhile Bezos is about to become the worlds first trillionaire and taxing him more for UBI and HCFA would be bad.

Exactly.

And, just to be clear, "the economy" isn't my concern. Having no safety net is my concern. For those who were fortunate enough to survive the first peak, we're still in the (relatively) easiest part of where this thing is actually headed.

Why can't "the economy" be a concern? What's so bad about that? People don't put they work they do into starting businesses because they want to sit home and rake in safety net money. I didn't put my time into learning the skills I did to sit home all day. The economy is a farking concern. Tell yourself you're actually concerned about mental health if that makes you happy, because, I'll tell you, sitting around and watching your business and/or career die isn't mentally healthy.

The problem is that we farked this up by putting aside health concerns and thinking about the economy in the short term. Had we taken the pandemic seriously and traded short-term economic pain for the health of our people, we wouldn't have to endure the level of health and economic hardship that is to come.


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2020-05-15 12:06:57 AM  
I've said this before: too many people think that movies depict real life. Not zombies or beautiful women having sex with normal guys, but ... scientists solving problems quickly, and people getting magical vaccinations that fix them 100% in seconds. Magical thinking is killing people, and it'll get so much worse before it gets better. Even if they had the vaccination tomorrow and Kushner weren't inserting shell companies between it and hospitals, it would take 4-6 months to test (because they'll be recklessly brief), and 4-6 months to produce in quantity.

And our president never faced a problem that flashing some money or threatening murder didn't solve. So he really does think it'll disappear.
 
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