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(Mother Jones)   Meat producers: Supplies are low because of covid-19. Disregard that we ship 1/3 of our product to China   (motherjones.com) divider line
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2020-05-14 8:46:46 AM  
Stupid.
 
2020-05-14 8:59:59 AM  
Yep, they just choose to ship it to China for no other reason than to hate 'merica.
 
2020-05-14 9:04:06 AM  
Think of the shareholder value
 
2020-05-14 9:04:55 AM  

MugzyBrown: Yep, they just choose to ship it to China for no other reason than to hate 'merica.


Well basically because they can demand a higher price there. Or... create an artificial scarcity here. Or both.
 
2020-05-14 9:27:19 AM  

Evil Twin Skippy: MugzyBrown: Yep, they just choose to ship it to China for no other reason than to hate 'merica.

Well basically because they can demand a higher price there. Or... create an artificial scarcity here. Or both.


China owns meat packing plants which have solely been shipping to China for years.  Before the pandemic, much of that product was going right to China's strategic stockpiles just in case something like this happened.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ch​i​na-swinefever-smithfield-foods-foc/at-​smithfield-foods-slaughterhouse-china-​brings-home-u-s-bacon-idUSKBN1XF0XC

Personally, I don't see an issue right now.  I don't want people in China to starve and while there are disruptions in U.S. supply chains, people can still get food.  This is an opportunity to come together as one world.  We shouldn't squander it.
 
2020-05-14 9:36:25 AM  

Glorious Golden Ass: Evil Twin Skippy: MugzyBrown: Yep, they just choose to ship it to China for no other reason than to hate 'merica.

Well basically because they can demand a higher price there. Or... create an artificial scarcity here. Or both.

China owns meat packing plants which have solely been shipping to China for years.  Before the pandemic, much of that product was going right to China's strategic stockpiles just in case something like this happened.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chi​na-swinefever-smithfield-foods-foc/at-​smithfield-foods-slaughterhouse-china-​brings-home-u-s-bacon-idUSKBN1XF0XC

Personally, I don't see an issue right now.  I don't want people in China to starve and while there are disruptions in U.S. supply chains, people can still get food.  This is an opportunity to come together as one world.  We shouldn't squander it.


The China that tried to suppress news of the illness in December?  That arrested doctors who tried to warn people, some of whom have died?  Who are lying about their numbers?  Who took draconian steps in their own country that likely resulted in even more death?  Who is threatening other countries that if they slow down exports there will be "consequences"?  Who is continuing their crackdown on pro-democracy groups in Hong Kong and Taiwan?  Who is engaging in sabre rattling in the South China sea?

That's who you are suggesting we sacrifice to work with?  How about no.
 
2020-05-14 9:45:02 AM  
The answer to this is simple Smithfield is a Chinese company.

Who do you think they are going to prioritize? Why would you think any different?
 
2020-05-14 9:54:22 AM  

Evil Twin Skippy: Or... create an artificial scarcity here.


False scarcity. Yeah meat producers want to not sell product so they can raise prices. That's how it works.

It has nothing to do with the regulatory bottleneck made worse by the COVID slowing production at the USDA approved plants.
 
2020-05-14 9:57:21 AM  
Are we shipping the finished cuts you find in stores?
Or giant slabs of quarter-cow?  If so, at least it's not rotting in a field.
 
2020-05-14 10:10:56 AM  

AngryDragon: Glorious Golden Ass: Evil Twin Skippy: MugzyBrown: Yep, they just choose to ship it to China for no other reason than to hate 'merica.

Well basically because they can demand a higher price there. Or... create an artificial scarcity here. Or both.

China owns meat packing plants which have solely been shipping to China for years.  Before the pandemic, much of that product was going right to China's strategic stockpiles just in case something like this happened.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chi​na-swinefever-smithfield-foods-foc/at-​smithfield-foods-slaughterhouse-china-​brings-home-u-s-bacon-idUSKBN1XF0XC

Personally, I don't see an issue right now.  I don't want people in China to starve and while there are disruptions in U.S. supply chains, people can still get food.  This is an opportunity to come together as one world.  We shouldn't squander it.

The China that tried to suppress news of the illness in December?  That arrested doctors who tried to warn people, some of whom have died?  Who are lying about their numbers?  Who took draconian steps in their own country that likely resulted in even more death?  Who is threatening other countries that if they slow down exports there will be "consequences"?  Who is continuing their crackdown on pro-democracy groups in Hong Kong and Taiwan?  Who is engaging in sabre rattling in the South China sea?

That's who you are suggesting we sacrifice to work with?  How about no.


"A great person first sets a good example, then invites others to follow it."  -  Confucius.
 
2020-05-14 10:26:35 AM  

AngryDragon: Glorious Golden Ass: Evil Twin Skippy: MugzyBrown: Yep, they just choose to ship it to China for no other reason than to hate 'merica.

Well basically because they can demand a higher price there. Or... create an artificial scarcity here. Or both.

China owns meat packing plants which have solely been shipping to China for years.  Before the pandemic, much of that product was going right to China's strategic stockpiles just in case something like this happened.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chi​na-swinefever-smithfield-foods-foc/at-​smithfield-foods-slaughterhouse-china-​brings-home-u-s-bacon-idUSKBN1XF0XC

Personally, I don't see an issue right now.  I don't want people in China to starve and while there are disruptions in U.S. supply chains, people can still get food.  This is an opportunity to come together as one world.  We shouldn't squander it.

The China that tried to suppress news of the illness in December?  That arrested doctors who tried to warn people, some of whom have died?  Who are lying about their numbers?  Who took draconian steps in their own country that likely resulted in even more death?  Who is threatening other countries that if they slow down exports there will be "consequences"?  Who is continuing their crackdown on pro-democracy groups in Hong Kong and Taiwan?  Who is engaging in sabre rattling in the South China sea?

That's who you are suggesting we sacrifice to work with?  How about no.


You can't have it both ways. If you want their people to be freed from an authoritarian regime, you should also want them to not starve to death (which is what GGA was arguing).

The heads of the CCP are going to eat fine either way.
 
2020-05-14 10:46:50 AM  

Moopy Mac: AngryDragon: Glorious Golden Ass: Evil Twin Skippy: MugzyBrown: Yep, they just choose to ship it to China for no other reason than to hate 'merica.

Well basically because they can demand a higher price there. Or... create an artificial scarcity here. Or both.

China owns meat packing plants which have solely been shipping to China for years.  Before the pandemic, much of that product was going right to China's strategic stockpiles just in case something like this happened.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chi​na-swinefever-smithfield-foods-foc/at-​smithfield-foods-slaughterhouse-china-​brings-home-u-s-bacon-idUSKBN1XF0XC

Personally, I don't see an issue right now.  I don't want people in China to starve and while there are disruptions in U.S. supply chains, people can still get food.  This is an opportunity to come together as one world.  We shouldn't squander it.

The China that tried to suppress news of the illness in December?  That arrested doctors who tried to warn people, some of whom have died?  Who are lying about their numbers?  Who took draconian steps in their own country that likely resulted in even more death?  Who is threatening other countries that if they slow down exports there will be "consequences"?  Who is continuing their crackdown on pro-democracy groups in Hong Kong and Taiwan?  Who is engaging in sabre rattling in the South China sea?

That's who you are suggesting we sacrifice to work with?  How about no.

You can't have it both ways. If you want their people to be freed from an authoritarian regime, you should also want them to not starve to death (which is what GGA was arguing).

The heads of the CCP are going to eat fine either way.


Bread and circuses.  Happy people don't overthrow their government.
 
2020-05-14 12:10:00 PM  

zgrizz: The answer to this is simple Smithfield is a Chinese company.

Who do you think they are going to prioritize? Why would you think any different?


THIS
 
2020-05-14 1:11:53 PM  

AngryDragon: Moopy Mac: AngryDragon: Glorious Golden Ass: Evil Twin Skippy: MugzyBrown: Yep, they just choose to ship it to China for no other reason than to hate 'merica.

Well basically because they can demand a higher price there. Or... create an artificial scarcity here. Or both.

China owns meat packing plants which have solely been shipping to China for years.  Before the pandemic, much of that product was going right to China's strategic stockpiles just in case something like this happened.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chi​na-swinefever-smithfield-foods-foc/at-​smithfield-foods-slaughterhouse-china-​brings-home-u-s-bacon-idUSKBN1XF0XC

Personally, I don't see an issue right now.  I don't want people in China to starve and while there are disruptions in U.S. supply chains, people can still get food.  This is an opportunity to come together as one world.  We shouldn't squander it.

The China that tried to suppress news of the illness in December?  That arrested doctors who tried to warn people, some of whom have died?  Who are lying about their numbers?  Who took draconian steps in their own country that likely resulted in even more death?  Who is threatening other countries that if they slow down exports there will be "consequences"?  Who is continuing their crackdown on pro-democracy groups in Hong Kong and Taiwan?  Who is engaging in sabre rattling in the South China sea?

That's who you are suggesting we sacrifice to work with?  How about no.

You can't have it both ways. If you want their people to be freed from an authoritarian regime, you should also want them to not starve to death (which is what GGA was arguing).

The heads of the CCP are going to eat fine either way.

Bread and circuses.  Happy people don't overthrow their government.


I'm broadening the issue, but I'm interested in hearing what you have to say.

Limiting food would no doubt give the communist party more reason to label America an enemy and drum up nationalist sentiment.  But if we help, it reduces the power of negative propaganda.

Iran and North Korea have shown that sanctions have very little effect on creating regime change.  Meanwhile, China opened up to the West when Nixon extended an olive branch and has no doubt been influenced by it politically.  The communist party has a poor track record of human rights, and it uses censorship to hide it from citizens because it fears being rejected by the people.

There is already resentment in China against the communist party over free speech due to sympathy for the Uyghers, the jailing of women's rights advocates, and now over the suppression of Dr. Li Wenliang's alarm sounding about the virus.

The biggest boost to China's authoritarian plans is nationalism.  In fact, Chinese generals are asking the party to calm the calls from nationalist citizens to invade Taiwan now while the coronavirus pandemic is affecting the rest of the world.

If we starve the people, we support the communist regime.  If we show the people what is possible when we help each other, they influence their government to be more like us.

Thoughts?
 
2020-05-14 2:15:34 PM  

Glorious Golden Ass: I'm broadening the issue, but I'm interested in hearing what you have to say.

Limiting food would no doubt give the communist party more reason to label America an enemy and drum up nationalist sentiment. But if we help, it reduces the power of negative propaganda.

Iran and North Korea have shown that sanctions have very little effect on creating regime change. Meanwhile, China opened up to the West when Nixon extended an olive branch and has no doubt been influenced by it politically. The communist party has a poor track record of human rights, and it uses censorship to hide it from citizens because it fears being rejected by the people.

There is already resentment in China against the communist party over free speech due to sympathy for the Uyghers, the jailing of women's rights advocates, and now over the suppression of Dr. Li Wenliang's alarm sounding about the virus.

The biggest boost to China's authoritarian plans is nationalism. In fact, Chinese generals are asking the party to calm the calls from nationalist citizens to invade Taiwan now while the coronavirus pandemic is affecting the rest of the world.

If we starve the people, we support the communist regime. If we show the people what is possible when we help each other, they influence their government to be more like us.

Thoughts


Your position assumes the free flow of factual information to the populace being oppressed.  That does not exist on a wide scale in China.  If there is hardship the government may try to deflect to a foreign influence (the US) true.  However, at some point the people won't care why they're hungry they will just know that the government isn't fixing it.

No political revolution in history has ever been catalyzed when the people being fed and entertained.  If the bottom three tiers of Mazlow's hierarchy are satisfied it's amazing what people will tolerate.
 
2020-05-14 3:43:39 PM  

AngryDragon: Glorious Golden Ass: Evil Twin Skippy: MugzyBrown: Yep, they just choose to ship it to China for no other reason than to hate 'merica.

Well basically because they can demand a higher price there. Or... create an artificial scarcity here. Or both.

China owns meat packing plants which have solely been shipping to China for years.  Before the pandemic, much of that product was going right to China's strategic stockpiles just in case something like this happened.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chi​na-swinefever-smithfield-foods-foc/at-​smithfield-foods-slaughterhouse-china-​brings-home-u-s-bacon-idUSKBN1XF0XC

Personally, I don't see an issue right now.  I don't want people in China to starve and while there are disruptions in U.S. supply chains, people can still get food.  This is an opportunity to come together as one world.  We shouldn't squander it.

The China that tried to suppress news of the illness in December?  That arrested doctors who tried to warn people, some of whom have died?  Who are lying about their numbers?  Who took draconian steps in their own country that likely resulted in even more death?  Who is threatening other countries that if they slow down exports there will be "consequences"?  Who is continuing their crackdown on pro-democracy groups in Hong Kong and Taiwan?  Who is engaging in sabre rattling in the South China sea?

That's who you are suggesting we sacrifice to work with?  How about no.


Oh right, f*ck over a billion people who had nothing to do with how that was handled. Sadist.
 
2020-05-14 3:58:18 PM  

lindalouwho: AngryDragon: Glorious Golden Ass: Evil Twin Skippy: MugzyBrown: Yep, they just choose to ship it to China for no other reason than to hate 'merica.

Well basically because they can demand a higher price there. Or... create an artificial scarcity here. Or both.

China owns meat packing plants which have solely been shipping to China for years.  Before the pandemic, much of that product was going right to China's strategic stockpiles just in case something like this happened.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chi​na-swinefever-smithfield-foods-foc/at-​smithfield-foods-slaughterhouse-china-​brings-home-u-s-bacon-idUSKBN1XF0XC

Personally, I don't see an issue right now.  I don't want people in China to starve and while there are disruptions in U.S. supply chains, people can still get food.  This is an opportunity to come together as one world.  We shouldn't squander it.

The China that tried to suppress news of the illness in December?  That arrested doctors who tried to warn people, some of whom have died?  Who are lying about their numbers?  Who took draconian steps in their own country that likely resulted in even more death?  Who is threatening other countries that if they slow down exports there will be "consequences"?  Who is continuing their crackdown on pro-democracy groups in Hong Kong and Taiwan?  Who is engaging in sabre rattling in the South China sea?

That's who you are suggesting we sacrifice to work with?  How about no.

Oh right, f*ck over a billion people who had nothing to do with how that was handled. Sadist.


I'm not debating the ethics of it.  I'm calling out the reality of it.

Those billion people could be free of their authoritarian government if they chose to do so.  They choose the status quo because they're fat and happy.  That's not sadism to call it out.  It's simple fact.
 
2020-05-14 4:07:50 PM  

AngryDragon: lindalouwho: AngryDragon: Glorious Golden Ass: Evil Twin Skippy: MugzyBrown: Yep, they just choose to ship it to China for no other reason than to hate 'merica.

Well basically because they can demand a higher price there. Or... create an artificial scarcity here. Or both.

China owns meat packing plants which have solely been shipping to China for years.  Before the pandemic, much of that product was going right to China's strategic stockpiles just in case something like this happened.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chi​na-swinefever-smithfield-foods-foc/at-​smithfield-foods-slaughterhouse-china-​brings-home-u-s-bacon-idUSKBN1XF0XC

Personally, I don't see an issue right now.  I don't want people in China to starve and while there are disruptions in U.S. supply chains, people can still get food.  This is an opportunity to come together as one world.  We shouldn't squander it.

The China that tried to suppress news of the illness in December?  That arrested doctors who tried to warn people, some of whom have died?  Who are lying about their numbers?  Who took draconian steps in their own country that likely resulted in even more death?  Who is threatening other countries that if they slow down exports there will be "consequences"?  Who is continuing their crackdown on pro-democracy groups in Hong Kong and Taiwan?  Who is engaging in sabre rattling in the South China sea?

That's who you are suggesting we sacrifice to work with?  How about no.

Oh right, f*ck over a billion people who had nothing to do with how that was handled. Sadist.

I'm not debating the ethics of it.  I'm calling out the reality of it.

Those billion people could be free of their authoritarian government if they chose to do so.  They choose the status quo because they're fat and happy.  That's not sadism to call it out.  It's simple fact.


Just like we could be free, right now, from our oppressive government, amiright.
 
2020-05-14 4:08:54 PM  
Thinks all Chinese are far and happy, huh.
 
2020-05-14 5:19:53 PM  

AngryDragon: Glorious Golden Ass: I'm broadening the issue, but I'm interested in hearing what you have to say.

Limiting food would no doubt give the communist party more reason to label America an enemy and drum up nationalist sentiment. But if we help, it reduces the power of negative propaganda.

Iran and North Korea have shown that sanctions have very little effect on creating regime change. Meanwhile, China opened up to the West when Nixon extended an olive branch and has no doubt been influenced by it politically. The communist party has a poor track record of human rights, and it uses censorship to hide it from citizens because it fears being rejected by the people.

There is already resentment in China against the communist party over free speech due to sympathy for the Uyghers, the jailing of women's rights advocates, and now over the suppression of Dr. Li Wenliang's alarm sounding about the virus.

The biggest boost to China's authoritarian plans is nationalism. In fact, Chinese generals are asking the party to calm the calls from nationalist citizens to invade Taiwan now while the coronavirus pandemic is affecting the rest of the world.

If we starve the people, we support the communist regime. If we show the people what is possible when we help each other, they influence their government to be more like us.

Thoughts

Your position assumes the free flow of factual information to the populace being oppressed.  That does not exist on a wide scale in China.  If there is hardship the government may try to deflect to a foreign influence (the US) true.  However, at some point the people won't care why they're hungry they will just know that the government isn't fixing it.

No political revolution in history has ever been catalyzed when the people being fed and entertained.  If the bottom three tiers of Mazlow's hierarchy are satisfied it's amazing what people will tolerate.


Chinese citizens know their information is censored.  But it's not censored directly by the government.  It's censored by the media and technology  companies that don't want the government taking away their license to operate.  The information spreads.  I have had dinner close to Tiananmen Square with Chinese citizens who know exactly what happened there and aren't afraid to discuss what they remember seeing that day, out loud in a restaurant.

Citizens know that by joining certain organizations will get them and their families a visit from the police.  The government has given them a better quality of life, but if they step out of line, they'll definitely feel that their safety and social wellness (the second and third tier of Maslow's hierarchy) are absent.  Many young people are openly organizing for Western ideologies of freedom and well aware they are risking their lives and those of their families.  They don't need to be starved.  They need their other citizens to want that freedom too.

If you want to learn more about what life is really like for young people trying to make a difference in China, I recommend Betraying Big Brother.  Trigger warning:  describes torture, sexual assault

https://books.google.com/books/about/​B​etraying_Big_Brother.html?id=N19EDwAAQ​BAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read​_button
 
2020-05-14 8:17:00 PM  

MugzyBrown: Yep, they just choose to ship it to China for no other reason than to hate 'merica.


bingo. money backed legal contracts of goods have no meaning. the nerve!
 
2020-05-14 9:37:37 PM  
Of course. Multinational corporations have no loyalty to the US only increasing profit for themselves and not paying their workers enough or protecting them.
 
2020-05-14 10:18:06 PM  

MugzyBrown: Yep, they just choose to ship it to China for no other reason than to hate 'merica.


Pretty much. Yes.
 
2020-05-14 10:21:36 PM  

Moopy Mac: AngryDragon: Glorious Golden Ass: Evil Twin Skippy: MugzyBrown: Yep, they just choose to ship it to China for no other reason than to hate 'merica.

Well basically because they can demand a higher price there. Or... create an artificial scarcity here. Or both.

China owns meat packing plants which have solely been shipping to China for years.  Before the pandemic, much of that product was going right to China's strategic stockpiles just in case something like this happened.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chi​na-swinefever-smithfield-foods-foc/at-​smithfield-foods-slaughterhouse-china-​brings-home-u-s-bacon-idUSKBN1XF0XC

Personally, I don't see an issue right now.  I don't want people in China to starve and while there are disruptions in U.S. supply chains, people can still get food.  This is an opportunity to come together as one world.  We shouldn't squander it.

The China that tried to suppress news of the illness in December?  That arrested doctors who tried to warn people, some of whom have died?  Who are lying about their numbers?  Who took draconian steps in their own country that likely resulted in even more death?  Who is threatening other countries that if they slow down exports there will be "consequences"?  Who is continuing their crackdown on pro-democracy groups in Hong Kong and Taiwan?  Who is engaging in sabre rattling in the South China sea?

That's who you are suggesting we sacrifice to work with?  How about no.

You can't have it both ways. If you want their people to be freed from an authoritarian regime, you should also want them to not starve to death (which is what GGA was arguing).

The heads of the CCP are going to eat fine either way.


Or more likely, the CCP bigshots are keeping the good stuff for themselves and passing out the Alpo-grade offal to their masses.
 
2020-05-14 10:47:04 PM  

zgrizz: The answer to this is simple Smithfield is a Chinese company.

Who do you think they are going to prioritize? Why would you think any different?



I didn't believe this comment, so I looked it up. He's right. A Chinese company bought Smithfield in 2013. It was the largest purchase of an American company to date.

Who do you think is going to get the meat?
 
2020-05-15 1:51:36 AM  

bluefelix: zgrizz: The answer to this is simple Smithfield is a Chinese company.

Who do you think they are going to prioritize? Why would you think any different?


I didn't believe this comment, so I looked it up. He's right. A Chinese company bought Smithfield in 2013. It was the largest purchase of an American company to date.

Who do you think is going to get the meat?


Sounds like one of those SciFi movies where Eath has been conquered & the the aliens force the captive earthlings to transport the planet's resources to the alien's homeworld to use.
 
2020-05-15 5:04:22 AM  
Capitalism, generally  - for better or worse - is good. Unchecked/unregulated Capitalism is fricking evil and will destroy us.

Farmers are destroying their animals as they have no place to ship them. They are getting paid pennies on the pound, all while consumers prices spike. There is no reason (other than their track record of incompetence) why Congress can't limit exports AND require a reasonable percentage of distributors' quarterly profits be returned to the farmers.  Before dividends.
 
2020-05-15 8:35:06 AM  

bluefelix: zgrizz: The answer to this is simple Smithfield is a Chinese company.

Who do you think they are going to prioritize? Why would you think any different?


I didn't believe this comment, so I looked it up. He's right. A Chinese company bought Smithfield in 2013. It was the largest purchase of an American company to date.

Who do you think is going to get the meat?


Clara Peller, finally.
 
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