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2020-05-13 9:19:06 PM  
I was unaware that the asymmetrical bob was considered an article of faith nor that any salons were involved in the War Between the States or their employers or employees were born into bondage and thus freed from servitude...
 
2020-05-13 11:26:27 PM  
Jesus has been really troubled and dismayed about the salon being closed. It's the only place to get his nails done.
 
2020-05-13 11:38:41 PM  
I'm still waiting for a Republican to explain why it's tyranny to close bars, restaurants, nail salons, and the like during a pandemic, but sensible and responsible governing you shut down abortion clinics.
 
2020-05-13 11:43:20 PM  
I'm all broken up about business owners' rights.
 
2020-05-13 11:51:00 PM  
If they are a business, then tax them accordingly.  Simply as that.
 
2020-05-13 11:51:19 PM  
America, we're saying this as a friend.   Your constitution fetish is getting out of control and starting to affect your relationships.   Please get some help.  We're here for you.
 
2020-05-13 11:51:39 PM  
Religion has had special treatment for so long when they get treated like normal people they claim it's oppression. I'm sick of subsidizing your magic sky wizards. Pay your taxes.
 
2020-05-13 11:58:44 PM  

Dave2042: America, we're saying this as a friend.   Your constitution fetish is getting out of control and starting to affect your relationships.   Please get some help.  We're here for you.


You ever hear the saying "A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing"?

Therein lies the problem. Any person who loves 99% of the Constitution, can believe themselves to be a Constitutional scholar and claim that that last 1% shouldn't apply to them. Sadly, that same sacred document prevents the government from dragging them off to re-education camps.

/ unless you go full Bundy with it
 
2020-05-13 11:58:50 PM  
It's really weird that conservatives have such a poor opinion of the Founding Fathers that they think they would design a system of government that was powerless to do anything to handle an outbreak of an infectious disease at a time when antibiotics hadn't been discovered yet.
 
2020-05-14 12:01:43 AM  
The governor's public emergency, issued on Marcy 12, expired on May 12

Seems like spellcheck should have caught that.
 
2020-05-14 12:03:44 AM  
Oh sure, now they like the 14th Amendment...

Conservatives were similarly contemptuous of democratic modifications to the Constitution after its ratification, above all the Fourteenth Amendment, which became the scaffold for many kinds of reform. Explaining his support for whites who deprived blacks of the vote, Buckley announced: "the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments to the Constitution are regarded by much of the South as inorganic accretions to the original document, grafted upon it by victors-at-war by force." Attacks on the legitimacy of the Fourteenth Amendment became a veritable cottage industry on the right, and a centerpiece of its leaders' advocacy of "authentic federalism."47 Today, most conservatives are more discrete, but as late as 1978 the publisher Henry Regnery insisted that the Fourteenth Amendment had never "properly" become "part of the Constitution" and was therefore illegitimate.48

http://havensarchive.lss.wisc.edu/fil​e​s/Maclean-neo-confederacy.pdf
 
2020-05-14 12:04:53 AM  
"Drug War! PATRIOT Act! TSA! FISA! Dark sites! Drone strikes! Hacking! Militarized cops! Private prisons! Abuse of power! Searches, seizures! Surveillance! Torture!"

"... Yeah, okay."

"Also could you try not to spread around this deadly virus killing tens of thousands of Americans. Like maybe you could put off getting a haircu--"

*hysterical shrieking noises*
*pocket constitutions spontaneously combust*
*eagle sheds single tear*
 
2020-05-14 12:11:59 AM  

Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: It's really weird that conservatives have such a poor opinion of the Founding Fathers that they think they would design a system of government that was powerless to do anything to handle an outbreak of an infectious disease at a time when antibiotics hadn't been discovered yet.


It's worse than that - they didn't have germ theory either, or the public health considerations that followed from it. John Snow wasn't born until 1813. Ignaz Semmelweis wasn't born until 1818. Louis Pasteur didn't happen along until 1822. And none of them actually did their most notable research until the mid 19th century.

Oh, sure, there were a few people who had speculated about "infectious particles" or the like as causing disease, but this was largely speculative, and miasma theory was still the dominant explanation for infectious diseases.

So, yeah. I don't blame the founders for not knowing what they would have had no way of knowing, but acting like the fact that didn't mention viruses as a reason for suspending freedom of assembly doesn't mean that viruses suddenly don't exist.
 
2020-05-14 12:13:15 AM  
Eh...
It's kind of over at this point. The only way really to combat the wealth now is to service their wives while they are at their skull and bones meetings, and for our minority women to bear their children.

Maybe there will be some equalization 2 generations from now.  Or some big head aliens could be bothered to pop a probe up their keesters to find out why their a$$holes make them special.

Although, in my worst nightmare, I cannot imagine  servicing whatever bill Barr is married to just to help the team...
 
2020-05-14 12:14:14 AM  

fusillade762: The governor's public emergency, issued on Marcy 12, expired on May 12

Seems like spellcheck should have caught that.


Our FBI agents are asleep! Post ponies!
 
2020-05-14 12:19:51 AM  
FTA: Netzel owns Kingdom Kuts at 132 East Wisconsin Ave in Appleton. The suit claims that Kingdom Kuts is a faith based business.

Should take less than three seconds to adjudicate.

Pull up her tax returns. Did she file 1023-EZ, does she have a 502(c)(3) (or whatever form it is this year)? Or did she just start getting all Jesusy in the last two months?
 
2020-05-14 12:21:07 AM  

HighOnCraic: Oh sure, now they like the 14th Amendment...

Conservatives were similarly contemptuous of democratic modifications to the Constitution after its ratification, above all the Fourteenth Amendment, which became the scaffold for many kinds of reform. Explaining his support for whites who deprived blacks of the vote, Buckley announced: "the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments to the Constitution are regarded by much of the South as inorganic accretions to the original document, grafted upon it by victors-at-war by force." Attacks on the legitimacy of the Fourteenth Amendment became a veritable cottage industry on the right, and a centerpiece of its leaders' advocacy of "authentic federalism."47 Today, most conservatives are more discrete, but as late as 1978 the publisher Henry Regnery insisted that the Fourteenth Amendment had never "properly" become "part of the Constitution" and was therefore illegitimate.48

http://havensarchive.lss.wisc.edu/file​s/Maclean-neo-confederacy.pdf


In a group on Facebook I brought up the case of Jacobson v. Massachuesetts, which specifically addressed the 14th Amendment, and some self-proclaimed Constitutional rights advocate claimed that that case did not apply because the current Supreme Court had not yet heard any cases arising from the current pandemic.
 
2020-05-14 12:22:58 AM  
Business need to reopen for many reasons:

1.) Many people will go destitute. This will lead to suicides, crime, and bloodshed.
2.) The damage of the virus reaction will be far worse than the the virus itselfs' damage.
3.) Too many humans anyways. People need to die.
4.) We live with viruses all the time. This is just another one. Need to develop herd immunity soon, or else look for coming instability.

People argue, but it's not really something that needs argument as these things will come to pass.

Currently, with all the money printing going on, the working poor are trading their future purchasing power for cash flow now....or what they think is cash flow now. Instead, the inflated financial markets will lead to spiked asset prices within a couple of years, and wage earners will see their purchasing power plummet....and then complain once again about a wealth gap that they allowed their leaders to accomplish, because, well, the general public is stupid.

You all cause the very problems you rant about.

Good luck with that morons.
 
2020-05-14 12:26:31 AM  

Mock26: HighOnCraic: Oh sure, now they like the 14th Amendment...

Conservatives were similarly contemptuous of democratic modifications to the Constitution after its ratification, above all the Fourteenth Amendment, which became the scaffold for many kinds of reform. Explaining his support for whites who deprived blacks of the vote, Buckley announced: "the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments to the Constitution are regarded by much of the South as inorganic accretions to the original document, grafted upon it by victors-at-war by force." Attacks on the legitimacy of the Fourteenth Amendment became a veritable cottage industry on the right, and a centerpiece of its leaders' advocacy of "authentic federalism."47 Today, most conservatives are more discrete, but as late as 1978 the publisher Henry Regnery insisted that the Fourteenth Amendment had never "properly" become "part of the Constitution" and was therefore illegitimate.48

http://havensarchive.lss.wisc.edu/file​s/Maclean-neo-confederacy.pdf

In a group on Facebook I brought up the case of Jacobson v. Massachuesetts, which specifically addressed the 14th Amendment, and some self-proclaimed Constitutional rights advocate claimed that that case did not apply because the current Supreme Court had not yet heard any cases arising from the current pandemic.


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2020-05-14 12:32:52 AM  
And his hair. Really, how can you be a good Republican with hair like a shaggy dog.  Jesus needs a haircut.
 
2020-05-14 12:33:22 AM  

Notabunny: fusillade762: The governor's public emergency, issued on Marcy 12, expired on May 12

Seems like spellcheck should have caught that.

Our FBI agents are asleep! Post ponies!


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The Derp State never sleeps!
 
2020-05-14 12:38:03 AM  
And here are some interesting quotes from Jacobson v. Massachuesetts (1905):

"The liberty secured by the Constitution of the United States does not import an absolute right in each person to be at all times, and in all circumstances wholly freed from restraint, nor is it an element in such liberty that one person, or a minority of persons residing in any community and enjoying the benefits of its local government, should have power to dominate the majority when supported in their action by the authority of the State."

"But the liberty secured by the Constitution of the United States to every person within its jurisdiction does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint."

"This court has more than once recognized it as a fundamental principle that "persons and property are subjected to all kinds of restraints and burdens, in order to secure the general comfort, health, and prosperity of the State; of the perfect right of the legislature to do which no question ever was, or upon acknowledged general principles ever can be made, so far as natural persons are concerned." "

"The possession and enjoyment of all rights are subject to such reasonable conditions as may be deemed by the governing authority of the country essential to the safety, health, peace, good order and morals of the community."

"But it is equally true that in every well-ordered society charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great, dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand."
 
2020-05-14 12:51:20 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: "Drug War! PATRIOT Act! TSA! FISA! Dark sites! Drone strikes! Hacking! Militarized cops! Private prisons! Abuse of power! Searches, seizures! Surveillance! Torture!"

"... Yeah, okay."

"Also could you try not to spread around this deadly virus killing tens of thousands of Americans. Like maybe you could put off getting a haircu--"

*hysterical shrieking noises*
*pocket constitutions spontaneously combust*
*eagle sheds single tear*


The Constitution is treated very similar to how they treat the Bible: it's a convenient excuse to believe whatever it is you're going to believe anyway.

Sort of how they think gays should be executed even though the Bible doesn't say that anywhere, but they insist on cooking food on the Sabbath despite the fact the Bible explicitly says that is punishable by death. (Exodus 35: 1-3)
 
2020-05-14 12:54:05 AM  

Sim Tree: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: "Drug War! PATRIOT Act! TSA! FISA! Dark sites! Drone strikes! Hacking! Militarized cops! Private prisons! Abuse of power! Searches, seizures! Surveillance! Torture!"

"... Yeah, okay."

"Also could you try not to spread around this deadly virus killing tens of thousands of Americans. Like maybe you could put off getting a haircu--"

*hysterical shrieking noises*
*pocket constitutions spontaneously combust*
*eagle sheds single tear*

The Constitution is treated very similar to how they treat the Bible: it's a convenient excuse to believe whatever it is you're going to believe anyway.

Sort of how they think gays should be executed even though the Bible doesn't say that anywhere, but they insist on cooking food on the Sabbath despite the fact the Bible explicitly says that is punishable by death. (Exodus 35: 1-3)


Constitutional Law appears to be an extremely popular major at Dunning-Kruger University.
 
2020-05-14 12:59:07 AM  

Sim Tree: The Constitution is treated very similar to how they treat the Bible: it's a convenient excuse to believe whatever it is you're going to believe anyway.


Brilliant analogy. Couldn't agree more.

Sim Tree: Sort of how they think gays should be executed even though the Bible doesn't say that anywhere,


Yeah, about that part: Leviticus 20:13
 
2020-05-14 1:07:39 AM  

fusillade762: The governor's public emergency, issued on Marcy 12, expired on May 12

Seems like spellcheck should have caught that.


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2020-05-14 1:45:48 AM  
the Safer at Home Order violates her right to free exercise of religion


.
This is the argument that Packer fans will be citing come September.
 
2020-05-14 1:51:00 AM  

Amish Tech Support: Pay your taxes.


If you lend any credence to the buzz from the right, there's going to be a lot less of that happening in the years to come.

They're out for revenge.
 
2020-05-14 2:26:49 AM  

gunsmack: FTA: Netzel owns Kingdom Kuts at 132 East Wisconsin Ave in Appleton. The suit claims that Kingdom Kuts is a faith based business.

Should take less than three seconds to adjudicate.

Pull up her tax returns. Did she file 1023-EZ, does she have a 502(c)(3) (or whatever form it is this year)? Or did she just start getting all Jesusy in the last two months?


I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to something named 'Kingdom Cuts'. It's just irrelevant. Precedent exists the First Amendment has an unwritten caveat of "right up until it is likely to get someone hurt". You can't yell "fire" in a theater.
 
2020-05-14 2:42:59 AM  

Martian_Astronomer: miasma theory


that was an interesting Google thank you
 
2020-05-14 3:35:05 AM  

gunsmack: Dave2042: America, we're saying this as a friend.   Your constitution fetish is getting out of control and starting to affect your relationships.   Please get some help.  We're here for you.

You ever hear the saying "A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing"?

Therein lies the problem. Any person who loves 99% of the Constitution, can believe themselves to be a Constitutional scholar and claim that that last 1% shouldn't apply to them. Sadly, that same sacred document prevents the government from dragging them off to re-education camps.

/ unless you go full Bundy with it


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You say that like it's a bad thing.
 
2020-05-14 4:23:45 AM  

gunsmack: Therein lies the problem. Any person who loves 99% of the Constitution, can believe themselves to be a Constitutional scholar and claim that that last 1% shouldn't apply to them. Sadly, that same sacred document prevents the government from dragging them off to re-education camps.


kinda think that the fact that libs would even joke about this is pretty much how we end up with President Trump each time...
 
2020-05-14 4:29:33 AM  
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More idiots want to kill themselves?  Honestly, we couldn't have asked for a better timeline.
 
2020-05-14 4:30:40 AM  
I was hoping it was Olive Garden wanting to hold services for Pastafarians...
 
2020-05-14 5:03:03 AM  
Thanks to the anonymous farker for the TF.
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2020-05-14 7:01:26 AM  

fusillade762: The governor's public emergency, issued on Marcy 12, expired on May 12

Seems like spellcheck should have caught that.


Shut up, Al. Save it for the NO MAAM meeting.
 
2020-05-14 7:02:59 AM  
It is my religious right to spread death and disease!
 
2020-05-14 7:11:07 AM  

Smoking GNU: It is my religious right to spread death and disease!


Tell the Taliban, Isis, and al Qaeda, because bombs are getting old.
 
2020-05-14 7:56:06 AM  
Don't know how many times this has been brought up...  The conservative echo chamber that is Facebook is just loaded with posts about how this whole thing is manufactured, it's not that bad, people are starving and broke and it's the liberals fault, etc...

How in the fark do we get this misinformation campaign to finally come to a halt?

//Rhetorical question.
//Obviously
 
2020-05-14 8:12:48 AM  

durbnpoisn: Don't know how many times this has been brought up...  The conservative echo chamber that is Facebook is just loaded with posts about how this whole thing is manufactured, it's not that bad, people are starving and broke and it's the liberals fault, etc...

How in the fark do we get this misinformation campaign to finally come to a halt?

//Rhetorical question.
//Obviously


Burning the entirety of FB, and possibly twitter as well, to the bedrock would be a good start.
 
2020-05-14 8:24:01 AM  
Human sacrifice, done in a religious context, is still premeditated murder.
 
2020-05-14 9:00:36 AM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: I'm still waiting for a Republican to explain why it's tyranny to close bars, restaurants, nail salons, and the like during a pandemic, but sensible and responsible governing you shut down abortion clinics.


Abortion is murder.

Thanks for playing.
 
2020-05-14 9:03:57 AM  

rebelyell2006: I'm all broken up about business owners' rights.


Of course you aren't. You're a government employee who thinks their salary can occur without a functioning economy.
 
2020-05-14 9:18:13 AM  

gar1013: The Dog Ate My Homework: I'm still waiting for a Republican to explain why it's tyranny to close bars, restaurants, nail salons, and the like during a pandemic, but sensible and responsible governing you shut down abortion clinics.

Abortion is murder.

Thanks for playing.


Not it isn't.
 
2020-05-14 11:42:21 AM  

gar1013: The Dog Ate My Homework: I'm still waiting for a Republican to explain why it's tyranny to close bars, restaurants, nail salons, and the like during a pandemic, but sensible and responsible governing you shut down abortion clinics.

Abortion is murder.

Thanks for playing.


As you have repeatedly pointed out, it's OK to kill people if they interfere with your ability to get a haircut or eat at Applebee's.
 
2020-05-14 12:10:48 PM  
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2020-05-14 12:54:43 PM  

gar1013: The Dog Ate My Homework: I'm still waiting for a Republican to explain why it's tyranny to close bars, restaurants, nail salons, and the like during a pandemic, but sensible and responsible governing you shut down abortion clinics.

Abortion is murder.

Thanks for playing.


Uh, No, it is not. But hey, thanks for pretending that you know what the law actually says about abortion.
 
2020-05-14 3:57:34 PM  
Wisconsin? Ok, that's a toss the lawuit with prejudice, meaning she can't try it again.

I mean, I have friends from that state... the only religion there is football.
 
2020-05-14 3:59:33 PM  

gar1013: The Dog Ate My Homework: I'm still waiting for a Republican to explain why it's tyranny to close bars, restaurants, nail salons, and the like during a pandemic, but sensible and responsible governing you shut down abortion clinics.

Abortion is murder.

Thanks for playing.


No, it isn't. It's your personal attempt to violate the separation of Church and State, because that's a *religious* law that you want.

Counterargument: ultra-Orthodox Jews are ok with abortion, and a rabbi once told me that, when I asked him.

You want a pseudo-Christian Iran.
 
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