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(USA Today)   DOJ warns US companies that China is trying to steal their Coronavirus research and encourages them to improve cyber-security. Not Explained: why having more people work on a cure for Covid-19 is a BAD thing, or why the data isn't freely available   (usatoday.com) divider line
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2020-05-13 2:38:25 PM  
I wish to subscribe to your newsletter, subby
 
2020-05-13 2:42:08 PM  
Profit subbs, profit
 
2020-05-13 2:42:20 PM  
The reason is the US in concerned China will do the same thing we would do with Trump at the helm. Steal the research get a vaccine first and then fark the other country over.
 
2020-05-13 2:47:56 PM  
But if we share the data, we can't threaten to let their people die if they don't give us the same trade deal we already have but with Donnie's name on it.
 
2020-05-13 2:50:25 PM  
If you share it, you can't patent it as easily
 
2020-05-13 3:06:22 PM  
I believe all the COVID-19 research out there is already being shared via international mechanisms that Trump has pulled out of.
 
2020-05-13 3:09:29 PM  
Why on earth should we let China steal our intellectual property and then sell the final product back to us?

Subby, this is like me stealing your car and then offering to sell it back to you. "I happen to know it's exactly the make and model that you want! It even has the right amount of spare change in the console."
 
2020-05-13 3:09:48 PM  
My God, look at all the information that's already leaked.

/look at it
 
2020-05-13 3:41:47 PM  

El_Frijole_Blanco: Profit subbs, profit


Exactly

Open Source it all. Make it  freely available.
 
2020-05-13 3:46:59 PM  
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OH MY GOD I'M AIDING AND ABETTING CHINA'S THEFT !!!!!
 
2020-05-13 4:34:05 PM  
Possibly the greatest pharmaceutical profit opportunity since boner pills, and the libs want to use it to save lives.

Typical.
 
2020-05-13 4:34:36 PM  

gopher321: [Fark user image 850x684]

OH MY GOD I'M AIDING AND ABETTING CHINA'S THEFT !!!!!


You know that thing is just mining bitcoin, right?
 
2020-05-13 4:34:38 PM  
Because not working with China enables racist and classist Republicans to do medical experiments on black and poor Americans.
 
2020-05-13 4:34:51 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I believe all the COVID-19 research out there is already being shared via international mechanisms that Trump has pulled out of.


Trump doesn't "pull out." It's not his fault that it keeps falling out of its own accord.
 
2020-05-13 4:34:55 PM  
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2020-05-13 4:35:00 PM  
Because people by and large are greedy scumbags and if there isn't beau coup money to be made in a treatment it's not getting developed.

Next question?
 
2020-05-13 4:35:17 PM  

gopher321: [Fark user image 850x684]

OH MY GOD I'M AIDING AND ABETTING CHINA'S THEFT !!!!!


Wow, F@H is still around?!
 
2020-05-13 4:35:26 PM  
The goal is to charge $10,000 for the vaccine that costs $0.50 to make.
 
2020-05-13 4:36:16 PM  
Okay Joe Biden, impress me.

All you have to say is:
scientific collaboration is not theft
 
2020-05-13 4:36:39 PM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Why on earth should we let China steal our intellectual property and then sell the final product back to us?

Subby, this is like me stealing your car and then offering to sell it back to you. "I happen to know it's exactly the make and model that you want! It even has the right amount of spare change in the console."


So you're a pandemic profiteer then?  GFY.
 
2020-05-13 4:37:30 PM  
People think the entire world is going to come together and do free work for the good of humanity?

Have you been paying attention at all??
 
2020-05-13 4:38:26 PM  
Because companies may be using methodologies and technologies that are trade secrets to develop a vaccine?
 
2020-05-13 4:38:35 PM  
How do we believe anything coming out of the WH now? I'll put this down as racist hate until I see a better more reliable source.
 
2020-05-13 4:38:47 PM  
They also have fun songs about Co-operation Makes it Happen!  
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2020-05-13 4:39:19 PM  
Is it that time already?  It's just like when some random natsec guy fed that story to bloomberg about secret chinese spy chips on motherboards that everyone involved denied and nobody was able to corroborate, coincidentally right around the same time that the admin was launching a bunch of new tariffs that everybody was against.
 
2020-05-13 4:40:56 PM  
I mean.... Admiral What'sHisFace totally dodged the question from Bernie in the hearing yesterday.

He said that he would "advocate" for the vaccine to be given free of charge.

/ short sighted asshats. This is exactly how you get viruses to mutate.
 
2020-05-13 4:41:43 PM  
This administration made it very clear early on, through their interest in exclusive US rights to treatments and vaccine, that they value profitability over the well being of humans in general.  Then they screamed it at us with their calls to value the economy over lives.  So shocking.  Nothing but bastards all the way down.
 
2020-05-13 4:41:50 PM  

LL316: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Why on earth should we let China steal our intellectual property and then sell the final product back to us?

Subby, this is like me stealing your car and then offering to sell it back to you. "I happen to know it's exactly the make and model that you want! It even has the right amount of spare change in the console."

So you're a pandemic profiteer then?  GFY.


It's game theory.  What's the other guy going to do?  What does he think YOU'RE going to do?  What do you think he thinks you're going to do?  etc.

Look at the resource hoarding/gouging going on with BASIC items like PPE and ventilators (macro) and TP and food micro.  Do you think countries are expecting each other to share something like a vaccine, that will undoubtedly be in short supply, and can tip the scales for one country vs the rest of the world short term AND long term?

If so, I've got a unicorn farm for sale.  Cheap.
 
2020-05-13 4:41:50 PM  

lordjupiter: People think the entire world is going to come together and do free work for the good of humanity?

Have you been paying attention at all??


I do free work at a tech charity all the farking time. People teach me stuff, I teach them stuff.

It's fun!

We build stuff.

Down to just me and one person at the moment due to the pandemic but we carry on, the iron lung is finished, it will keep a human breathing. It's in the process of being made cozy.

I saved my friend and myself, what have you built to save your people?
 
2020-05-13 4:43:09 PM  

Purple_Urkle: lordjupiter: People think the entire world is going to come together and do free work for the good of humanity?

Have you been paying attention at all??

I do free work at a tech charity all the farking time. People teach me stuff, I teach them stuff.

It's fun!

We build stuff.

Down to just me and one person at the moment due to the pandemic but we carry on, the iron lung is finished, it will keep a human breathing. It's in the process of being made cozy.

I saved my friend and myself, what have you built to save your people?


Do you want a cookie?
 
2020-05-13 4:43:42 PM  
Jonas Saulk is going to climb out of his grave and biatch slap somebody.
 
2020-05-13 4:44:54 PM  
wait, I think I've seen this before....

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2020-05-13 4:45:00 PM  

lordjupiter: Purple_Urkle: lordjupiter: People think the entire world is going to come together and do free work for the good of humanity?

Have you been paying attention at all??

I do free work at a tech charity all the farking time. People teach me stuff, I teach them stuff.

It's fun!

We build stuff.

Down to just me and one person at the moment due to the pandemic but we carry on, the iron lung is finished, it will keep a human breathing. It's in the process of being made cozy.

I saved my friend and myself, what have you built to save your people?

Do you want a cookie?


Do you want a future?
Or are you waiting for someone to hire you to have one?
 
2020-05-13 4:48:04 PM  
The DOJ is doing everything it can to help Trump make Years and Years a documentary, isn't it?
 
2020-05-13 4:48:56 PM  

El_Frijole_Blanco: Profit subbs, profit


This. It literally was in the news that they were worried that if China stole it, it would undercut their intellectual property rights on making a cure or vaccine so they'd lose money.
 
2020-05-13 4:49:27 PM  
Right about now, I think China is more trustworthy than the US.  Nothing coming from our government lately is above suspicion.  Trump may very well want the patent here so he can steal it and somehow angle for that elusive Nobel Prize.  Anyway, if China or someone else develops the vaccine, it will likely end up cheaper than if someone in the US does it.  I don't really care very much about who or where the vaccine is invented/developed as long as a good one comes along soon.  How can anyone trust Donald Trump about anything whatsoever?  He lies about everything always.  So do the people who work for him.
 
2020-05-13 4:50:18 PM  
There's a difference between sharing data and stealing it. But that won't stop Fark.
 
2020-05-13 4:51:44 PM  
I'm as big a fan of (well-regulated) Capitalism as anyone, but this is one of those instances where fark the free market.  Everybody needs to be collaborating together and getting shiat done.  It's not just a matter of human decency (which, of course, is the primary reason), but it also makes financial sense.  A healthy population runs an economy much better than a stack of corpses.  Given how interdependent the global economy is these days, any effort to solve this problem needs to be open and international.
 
2020-05-13 4:52:01 PM  

lordjupiter: LL316: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Why on earth should we let China steal our intellectual property and then sell the final product back to us?

Subby, this is like me stealing your car and then offering to sell it back to you. "I happen to know it's exactly the make and model that you want! It even has the right amount of spare change in the console."

So you're a pandemic profiteer then?  GFY.

It's game theory.  What's the other guy going to do?  What does he think YOU'RE going to do?  What do you think he thinks you're going to do?  etc.

Look at the resource hoarding/gouging going on with BASIC items like PPE and ventilators (macro) and TP and food micro.  Do you think countries are expecting each other to share something like a vaccine, that will undoubtedly be in short supply, and can tip the scales for one country vs the rest of the world short term AND long term?

If so, I've got a unicorn farm for sale.  Cheap.


If they're smart, yes.  I'm not sure you're aware of this, but it's not good for our economy for any other country, but especially China, to go through a recession/depression.  It's actually bad. Very very bad.

Also, what kind of farking monster are you that you're ok with people dying just because they weren't born inside some imaginary lines?  Jesus, you assholes are just pure evil.  The world will not miss you when you're gone.
 
2020-05-13 4:52:23 PM  
Trump has openly suggested that if America finds a vaccine first they will want Americans to have access to it exclusively at first and would leverage the sale to foreign national on policy changes that he would like to see in those countries.
 
2020-05-13 4:52:35 PM  

thehellisthis: Jonas Saulk is going to climb out of his grave and biatch slap somebody.


You might share the story.  You and I may be the only people here that know it.
 
2020-05-13 4:53:07 PM  
It's a race to make this disaster profitable.
 
2020-05-13 4:53:58 PM  
If a pharmaceutical company or non profit did find a vaccine before any other country did, I know technically they own the patent to it. If I were the US government, I could buy that patent from them, and pay back all the research that company or non profit used to find the research. I would help spread that vaccine research to other countries in the world. Bleeding heart liberal me, would handle all vaccine research for free to other countries to make the vaccine. Realist me, would give the research to any first world nation if they paid some fee to make back the money the US paid, and ask other countries to make vaccine for nations that cannot afford to make their own.
 
2020-05-13 4:55:06 PM  

Purple_Urkle: lordjupiter: Purple_Urkle: lordjupiter: People think the entire world is going to come together and do free work for the good of humanity?

Have you been paying attention at all??

I do free work at a tech charity all the farking time. People teach me stuff, I teach them stuff.

It's fun!

We build stuff.

Down to just me and one person at the moment due to the pandemic but we carry on, the iron lung is finished, it will keep a human breathing. It's in the process of being made cozy.

I saved my friend and myself, what have you built to save your people?

Do you want a cookie?

Do you want a future?
Or are you waiting for someone to hire you to have one?


Don't pretend individual charity means the world is a friendly and cooperative place.
 
2020-05-13 4:55:39 PM  

LL316: lordjupiter: LL316: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Why on earth should we let China steal our intellectual property and then sell the final product back to us?

Subby, this is like me stealing your car and then offering to sell it back to you. "I happen to know it's exactly the make and model that you want! It even has the right amount of spare change in the console."

So you're a pandemic profiteer then?  GFY.

It's game theory.  What's the other guy going to do?  What does he think YOU'RE going to do?  What do you think he thinks you're going to do?  etc.

Look at the resource hoarding/gouging going on with BASIC items like PPE and ventilators (macro) and TP and food micro.  Do you think countries are expecting each other to share something like a vaccine, that will undoubtedly be in short supply, and can tip the scales for one country vs the rest of the world short term AND long term?

If so, I've got a unicorn farm for sale.  Cheap.

If they're smart, yes.  I'm not sure you're aware of this, but it's not good for our economy for any other country, but especially China, to go through a recession/depression.  It's actually bad. Very very bad.

Also, what kind of farking monster are you that you're ok with people dying just because they weren't born inside some imaginary lines?  Jesus, you assholes are just pure evil.  The world will not miss you when you're gone.


Calm your tits.  I never said I WANTED any of that.  Just that you people have no idea how the world works, even when it's laid out for you.
 
2020-05-13 4:59:47 PM  
2 oil barrels, a motor from a donated scooter, a computerized controller is the only part ordered from china but you could use arduino.

It's mostly whatever we find, old bed frame for angle iron, an iron rod.
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But I got it done, it's not just a shiatpost, it's my reality.

That's not my hand in the picture by the way, I'm recording, the hand belongs to my associate.

This isn't a job, it's how he and I care for each other.
 
2020-05-13 5:01:09 PM  

demonfaerie: If a pharmaceutical company or non profit did find a vaccine before any other country did, I know technically they own the patent to it. If I were the US government, I could buy that patent from them, and pay back all the research that company or non profit used to find the research. I would help spread that vaccine research to other countries in the world. Bleeding heart liberal me, would handle all vaccine research for free to other countries to make the vaccine. Realist me, would give the research to any first world nation if they paid some fee to make back the money the US paid, and ask other countries to make vaccine for nations that cannot afford to make their own.


Get a load of the guy wondering about laws and norms.

What about the fact that fark you we got a dose and we reverse engineered it and we have nukes?
 
KIA [recently expired TotalFark]
2020-05-13 5:01:35 PM  
You mean share a cure with the farking jerks who made sure they spread the disease all over the world while buying up all of the PPE and lying about the spread and severity of Wuhan Covid-19 thereby putting the rest of the world weeks behind the curve and causing thousands of deaths so far?

The same guys who are now trying to steal research and potential solutions?

No.  Fark those guys.  Really.
 
2020-05-13 5:02:34 PM  

LL316: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Why on earth should we let China steal our intellectual property and then sell the final product back to us?

Subby, this is like me stealing your car and then offering to sell it back to you. "I happen to know it's exactly the make and model that you want! It even has the right amount of spare change in the console."

So you're a pandemic profiteer then?  GFY.


Dude...

What, the actual f*ck, makes you think that if China develops a vaccine first they'll not profit off of it? Do you have a brain?

In no way did I say people should be charged for it. What I SAID was that we shouldn't let China sell a vaccine to us. These are not the same things.
 
2020-05-13 5:03:44 PM  

lordjupiter: Purple_Urkle: lordjupiter: Purple_Urkle: lordjupiter: People think the entire world is going to come together and do free work for the good of humanity?

Have you been paying attention at all??

I do free work at a tech charity all the farking time. People teach me stuff, I teach them stuff.

It's fun!

We build stuff.

Down to just me and one person at the moment due to the pandemic but we carry on, the iron lung is finished, it will keep a human breathing. It's in the process of being made cozy.

I saved my friend and myself, what have you built to save your people?

Do you want a cookie?

Do you want a future?
Or are you waiting for someone to hire you to have one?

Don't pretend individual charity means the world is a friendly and cooperative place.


If you can't count on others to save you, you have to save yourself.

I also posted a photo of the device displaying the unusual parts, the rest is an oil barrel and a bellows. Perhaps my charity in revealing this could help you build your own. But I suspect you only do things if paid, which makes me wonder if you're paid to post.
 
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