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(Ars Technica)   There's a difference between knowing American law doesn't apply to rich people, and watching one openly announce his plan to break the law, taunt the cops to come get him, and get away with it anyway   (arstechnica.com) divider line
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2020-05-13 2:04:27 PM  
Yes, but he's rich and white, so why should he be punished for breaking the law?
 
2020-05-13 2:21:58 PM  

bthom37: Yes, but he's rich and white, so why should he be punished for breaking the law?


But his name is funny. Can't that count for something?
 
2020-05-13 2:39:26 PM  
Laugh, Elon, and good farking luck the next time you need a zoning variance or so much as a utility line upgraded.
 
2020-05-13 2:41:07 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: Laugh, Elon, and good farking luck the next time you need a zoning variance or so much as a utility line upgraded.


Please, the factory provides jobs and needed money into the local community. You know they will bow down next time as well.
 
2020-05-13 2:43:15 PM  
How would a law that applies to rich people even be legal?
 
2020-05-13 2:45:49 PM  
If only Musk fought this hard for his employees labor rights as he fought to get them back on the assembly line working.
 
2020-05-13 2:53:23 PM  

bthom37: Yes, but he's rich and white, so why should he be punished for breaking the law?


He's African-American.
 
2020-05-13 3:53:27 PM  

jayphat: If only Musk fought this hard for his employees labor rights as he fought to get them back on the assembly line working.


If only we fought for the labor rights of migrant workers as much as we want to dictate the relationship between Elon and his middle class employees.

I know that fark thinks energy and transportation products are frivolous luxuries, but there's an argument to be made that such companies are essential in a stay-home world that depends on deliveries and electrical service.
We have already ruled that the production and delivery of food can't be halted even if people are getting sick and even if workers are getting abused because the nation needs their low wage labor to prevent a crisis from spiraling out of control.
Shutting down a plant with much better working conditions despite its attempts to apply to the new rules is taking this argument alot further than the governors executive order could carry it.

Yes rich people often do get away with breaking laws because of their connections and wealth, but this is a case of a man surrounded by lawyers knowing exactly where he stands and challenging you to flaunt your authority.
Unsurprisingly the county backed down.
 
2020-05-13 4:00:51 PM  

way south: jayphat: If only Musk fought this hard for his employees labor rights as he fought to get them back on the assembly line working.

If only we fought for the labor rights of migrant workers as much as we want to dictate the relationship between Elon and his middle class employees.

I know that fark thinks energy and transportation products are frivolous luxuries, but there's an argument to be made that such companies are essential in a stay-home world that depends on deliveries and electrical service.
We have already ruled that the production and delivery of food can't be halted even if people are getting sick and even if workers are getting abused because the nation needs their low wage labor to prevent a crisis from spiraling out of control.
Shutting down a plant with much better working conditions despite its attempts to apply to the new rules is taking this argument alot further than the governors executive order could carry it.

Yes rich people often do get away with breaking laws because of their connections and wealth, but this is a case of a man surrounded by lawyers knowing exactly where he stands and challenging you to flaunt your authority.
Unsurprisingly the county backed down.


You might wanna brush your teeth. That much ass kissing could cause some kind of fungus, like MAGAtosis
 
2020-05-13 4:15:44 PM  
Fooled me. I thought the headline was referring to president trump.
 
2020-05-13 4:23:46 PM  
Oh, look!  Another Musk bashing thread.  I believe the fourth today.
 
2020-05-13 4:51:51 PM  

natazha: Oh, look!  Another Musk bashing thread.  I believe the fourth today.


Good. Let's make it more.

/ Farkin' fanboys -- I'm a Californian and I will NOT miss his arrogant racist ass. In fact could he take all of the millions of other privileged arrogant racist white males with him, please?
 
2020-05-13 5:47:35 PM  
I think I am the only person on Fark who ahs said the private sector has no place in exploring outer space. The power that confers on private sector people is immense.

The USA basically guaranteed an untouchable class when they privatized space. What are you gonna do to Musk? How much of your economy depends on things in orbit, and now that he is personally a player up there, how can you detain him?
 
2020-05-13 5:49:05 PM  

natazha: Oh, look!  Another Musk bashing thread.  I believe the fourth today.


How many more do you suspect it would take before it empties the tab of the pro-Elon crowd?  Just curious, of course.
 
2020-05-13 6:51:52 PM  

CrazyCurt: natazha: Oh, look!  Another Musk bashing thread.  I believe the fourth today.

Good. Let's make it more.

/ Farkin' fanboys -- I'm a Californian and I will NOT miss his arrogant racist ass. In fact could he take all of the millions of other privileged arrogant racist white males with him, please?


Hey, viva la revolución, señor Maduro.  I hope he moves out anyway and takes SpaceX, Starlink, and Neuralink as well.  No need for California to reap the rewards of innovation when they not only eat the golden geese, but shiat down the goose's throat, and distribute fecal pâté to the working class.
 
2020-05-13 6:56:29 PM  

dittybopper: bthom37: Yes, but he's rich and white, so why should he be punished for breaking the law?

He's African-American.


It is technically correct to say he's African-American, but white African-Americans get white privilege too especially if they are rich.

/Love SpaceX, but the law should apply even the white billionaires.  Making cool rockets does not change that.
 
2020-05-13 8:46:22 PM  

2of12: way south: jayphat: If only Musk fought this hard for his employees labor rights as he fought to get them back on the assembly line working.

If only we fought for the labor rights of migrant workers as much as we want to dictate the relationship between Elon and his middle class employees.

I know that fark thinks energy and transportation products are frivolous luxuries, but there's an argument to be made that such companies are essential in a stay-home world that depends on deliveries and electrical service.
We have already ruled that the production and delivery of food can't be halted even if people are getting sick and even if workers are getting abused because the nation needs their low wage labor to prevent a crisis from spiraling out of control.
Shutting down a plant with much better working conditions despite its attempts to apply to the new rules is taking this argument alot further than the governors executive order could carry it.

Yes rich people often do get away with breaking laws because of their connections and wealth, but this is a case of a man surrounded by lawyers knowing exactly where he stands and challenging you to flaunt your authority.
Unsurprisingly the county backed down.

You might wanna brush your teeth. That much ass kissing could cause some kind of fungus, like MAGAtosis


Hey, this guy isn't calling for Elons execution, and explains the situation in a calm rational manner. Let's call him a trump supporter because if you ain't exxtweme enough, you must be up Trumps ass!
 
2020-05-14 12:38:57 AM  

TheMysteriousStranger: dittybopper: bthom37: Yes, but he's rich and white, so why should he be punished for breaking the law?

He's African-American.

It is technically correct to say he's African-American, but white African-Americans get white privilege too especially if they are rich.

/Love SpaceX, but the law should apply even the white billionaires.  Making cool rockets does not change that.


We forgave literal card carrying nazis to buy our tickets to the moon. I think we can forgive Elon for being white.

Nations do have needs and often we often end up doing individuals favors to secure the interests of the people, but I don't think  this is a case of that. I think this is a situation where the state was running amuck and someone who knew they had a solid case simply dared the bureaucrats to come for him so he could get the legal jubilee started. He had the president, the governor, and the judges in his side. Some lower official was about to get schooled.

They didn't follow up on his dare because they knew that going to court while wrong could cause them a lot of pain. This guy would be a bull unleashing mayhem in their delicate little China shop of twisted rules and regulations taken too far.

All too often it is the reverse. The poor man is in the right but the legal chaos a rogue bureaucrat  can unleash would force them to accept an unjust settlement or bad plea deal because they simply can't afford the fight.
So if I were to ask for something then it wouldn't be a court that could force the wealthy to comply with an unjust situation. It would be a court where the prosecutor was just as afraid of being in the wrong against a poor man as they are against an Elon Musk.

Forgive me if I smile a little when I see him smashing their windows, flipping their tables, and goring their shelves full of delicate objects. It's not often that we can see someone finally picking a fight with the wrong person and getting a comeuppance they were probably due.

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2020-05-14 2:20:32 AM  
This will only encourage him. Ugh.
 
2020-05-14 6:54:59 AM  

way south: TheMysteriousStranger: dittybopper: bthom37: Yes, but he's rich and white, so why should he be punished for breaking the law?

He's African-American.

It is technically correct to say he's African-American, but white African-Americans get white privilege too especially if they are rich.

/Love SpaceX, but the law should apply even the white billionaires.  Making cool rockets does not change that.

We forgave literal card carrying nazis to buy our tickets to the moon. I think we can forgive Elon for being white.

Nations do have needs and often we often end up doing individuals favors to secure the interests of the people, but I don't think  this is a case of that. I think this is a situation where the state was running amuck and someone who knew they had a solid case simply dared the bureaucrats to come for him so he could get the legal jubilee started. He had the president, the governor, and the judges in his side. Some lower official was about to get schooled.

They didn't follow up on his dare because they knew that going to court while wrong could cause them a lot of pain. This guy would be a bull unleashing mayhem in their delicate little China shop of twisted rules and regulations taken too far.

All too often it is the reverse. The poor man is in the right but the legal chaos a rogue bureaucrat  can unleash would force them to accept an unjust settlement or bad plea deal because they simply can't afford the fight.
So if I were to ask for something then it wouldn't be a court that could force the wealthy to comply with an unjust situation. It would be a court where the prosecutor was just as afraid of being in the wrong against a poor man as they are against an Elon Musk.

Forgive me if I smile a little when I see him smashing their windows, flipping their tables, and goring their shelves full of delicate objects. It's not often that we can see someone finally picking a fight with the wrong person and getting a comeuppance they were probably due.

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Tesla had the highest rate of workplace injury of any car manufacturer prior to this in the US. There have been numerous stories about the working conditions and how they are well under the bar of what constitutes safe in a modern automotive assembly line. Forgive us if we don't take Musks word that everything is A OK to start back up and his employees are 100% safe. I'd like to see proof of that, which is why the locals aren't just allowing everyone to open up.
 
2020-05-14 7:52:06 AM  

jayphat: way south: TheMysteriousStranger: dittybopper: bthom37: Yes, but he's rich and white, so why should he be punished for breaking the law?

He's African-American.

It is technically correct to say he's African-American, but white African-Americans get white privilege too especially if they are rich.

/Love SpaceX, but the law should apply even the white billionaires.  Making cool rockets does not change that.

We forgave literal card carrying nazis to buy our tickets to the moon. I think we can forgive Elon for being white.

Nations do have needs and often we often end up doing individuals favors to secure the interests of the people, but I don't think  this is a case of that. I think this is a situation where the state was running amuck and someone who knew they had a solid case simply dared the bureaucrats to come for him so he could get the legal jubilee started. He had the president, the governor, and the judges in his side. Some lower official was about to get schooled.

They didn't follow up on his dare because they knew that going to court while wrong could cause them a lot of pain. This guy would be a bull unleashing mayhem in their delicate little China shop of twisted rules and regulations taken too far.

All too often it is the reverse. The poor man is in the right but the legal chaos a rogue bureaucrat  can unleash would force them to accept an unjust settlement or bad plea deal because they simply can't afford the fight.
So if I were to ask for something then it wouldn't be a court that could force the wealthy to comply with an unjust situation. It would be a court where the prosecutor was just as afraid of being in the wrong against a poor man as they are against an Elon Musk.

Forgive me if I smile a little when I see him smashing their windows, flipping their tables, and goring their shelves full of delicate objects. It's not often that we can see someone finally picking a fight with the wrong person and getting a comeuppance they were probably due.

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If the insinuation is that Tesla is an inherently unsafe workplace then that was a preexisting concern they apparently didn't act on prior to the current situation. The unsafe factory had been running for quite some time with no game stopping lawsuits or strikes.

The excuse for shutting it down now is because it poses a threat of infecting it's workers.  They were arguing that there is no way Elon can safely run a factory during a pandemic.
This is the same Elon that's kept at least three massive work sites open for Spacex in California, Florida and Texas.  Granted that Spacex is a special weapons manufacturer and therefore not as easily taken down by lockdown orders from local officials, but they have implemented the necessary changes and avoided becoming hot spots.

They're saying he can't do that for a car company because he can't find a copier to hand them duplicates of the paperwork. Which sounds like bullshiat reasoning when you think about it. We haven't even gotten to the constitutionality of the situation, I think the guy is going to win simply by giving you examples of his work.
What's going to happen when a bunch of legal experts jump in and lawyer the shiat out of this?

It's not unfair that Elon's going to win that argument, it's unfair that the rest of us can't access this kind of legal defense. Write an AI that can interpret the law so that ordinary people can understand it and I think you'd see a lot of things change.
 
2020-05-14 11:36:37 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: I think I am the only person on Fark who ahs said the private sector has no place in exploring outer space. The power that confers on private sector people is immense.

The USA basically guaranteed an untouchable class when they privatized space. What are you gonna do to Musk? How much of your economy depends on things in orbit, and now that he is personally a player up there, how can you detain him?


Or you could, maybe, I don't know... Get someone else to run the business. It happens quite often at every other company ever. It's not like he has anything to do with the physical and mental process of building and operating the rockets, satellites, cars, etc.
 
2020-05-14 12:24:33 PM  

way south: We haven't even gotten to the constitutionality of the situation


Oh yes we have. This has been discussed ad nauseam in this forum. It's been ruled that government officials have the absolute right in a state of emergency to decide what businesses restrictions can be put into place. If they say he's not providing proper PPE, and maintaining proper distancing, they certainly have every legal right to close that business for failure to comply.
 
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