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2020-05-13 10:02:13 AM  
1) F*ck Jared Kushner
2) He doesn't get to decide
 
2020-05-13 10:07:54 AM  
Who's the dipshiat reporter who even asked this stupid dick that question?

The date of the presidential election is in the Constitution.  It is not negotiable.  It is not up to the criminal Trump administration to decide.
 
2020-05-13 10:08:00 AM  
Was all set to "in before: "it's not up to him""

missed it.

It's not like there's anyone in the White House gives a rip about the Constitution or the Rule of Law. DoJ is on board, so is the Senate and SCOTUS really could go either way at this point...
 
2020-05-13 10:13:24 AM  

sno man: Was all set to "in before: "it's not up to him""

missed it.

It's not like there's anyone in the White House gives a rip about the Constitution or the Rule of Law. DoJ is on board, so is the Senate and SCOTUS really could go either way at this point...


Justice Roberts spanked Sekulow pretty hard yesterday.  It reminded me of watching John McLaughlen.  So perhaps there's some hope.

***

Roberts:  This would all seem to be settled.  And despite that you're trying to argue that compliance with the law is an undue burden on the Executive.  What are you thinking?

Sekulow:  [angry dissembling]

Roberts:  WRONG!  Thomas?
 
2020-05-13 10:34:58 AM  
We did this one.  It has 100 comments a few down.
 
2020-05-13 10:35:18 AM  
[Narrator:] He can't.
 
2020-05-13 10:36:02 AM  
in addition to "it's not up to him": they WANT there to be an election. republicans did not spend decades gutting voting rights so they could just cancel elections. they don't need to
 
2020-05-13 10:37:01 AM  
Trump's term in office ends in January, full stop. With no election he has no claim to the office beyond that date.
 
2020-05-13 10:38:00 AM  
Trump wants to be a dictator. He's going to try something shady as fark.

Whatever he tries will be dumb, and it won't work. You know, 'cause he's dumb, and hires dumb ass people to work for him. Everything he touches turns to shiat, there's no reason why his plan for world domination wouldn't be as shiatty as everything else.
 
2020-05-13 10:38:07 AM  
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2020-05-13 10:38:34 AM  
He said it twice?
 
2020-05-13 10:39:16 AM  
I cannot rule out sleeping with Heather Graham at this point.

/comparable to Jared's comment
//Mercedes Lane was my first Hollywood crush
 
2020-05-13 10:40:08 AM  
I see a lot of Farkers think that rule of law still exists.
Republican SCOTUS will have a word.
 
2020-05-13 10:40:47 AM  
For all those saying it's not up to him: We know.

But that doesn't matter and you're missing how troubling this really is. It shouldn't be taken lightly.

Recognize a trial balloon when you see it, folks.

It doesn't matter that Kushner has no authority to make this call. That's not what this is about. This is an effort to see which way the wind is blowing and to begin normalizing the idea in the minds of the public and Trump's GOP allies.

And then remember how well his GOP cronies have protected him thus far. Think they won't continue to, no matter whathe does?

There is no bridge too far.

So yeah, chew on the idea that the Trump family is considering whether or not they can push back (or cancel) the election, and then think about how extensively they've been enabled the last four years.

Don't take these comments lightly. It could be disastrous if you do.
 
2020-05-13 10:41:08 AM  

bdub77: 1) F*ck Jared Kushner
2) He doesn't get to decide


This.
Lucky him, the Constitution has already decided this already. And, come January 20 at noon the orange shiat stain's term will have ended--exactly like the Constitution says it will.
Jared decides nothing.
 
2020-05-13 10:41:51 AM  

fragMasterFlash: Trump's term in office ends in January, full stop. With no election he has no claim to the office beyond that date.



That brings up an interesting scenario.  With or without an election, Trump's term ends in January.  If no election were held would we have no president or vice-president whatsoever?  Or would that make Pelosi president?
 
2020-05-13 10:42:07 AM  
Told you. That's part of the game plan now - using COVID-19 as an excuse to manipulate, postpone, or outright cancel the 2020 election.

I'm waiting for a martial law declaration.
 
2020-05-13 10:42:45 AM  
I'm not ruling out a threesome with Anne Hathaway and Emily Ratajkowski just yet.
 
2020-05-13 10:42:52 AM  
Do it punk. Delay the election, watch who ends up President in January when no election was held.
 
2020-05-13 10:42:57 AM  
Imagine having to work with a completely incompetent daddy's boy like Jared who can never be fired no matter how terrible he is at his job.  Everyone who works for Donald Trump deserves to work for Donald Trump.
 
2020-05-13 10:44:11 AM  
shoegaze99: For all those saying it's not up to him: We know.

But that doesn't matter and you're missing how troubling this really is. It shouldn't be taken lightly.

Recognize a trial balloon when you see it, folks.

It doesn't matter that Kushner has no authority to make this call. That's not what this is about. This is an effort to see which way the wind is blowing and to begin normalizing the idea in the minds of the public and Trump's GOP allies.

And then remember how well his GOP cronies have protected him thus far. Think they won't continue to, no matter whathe does?

There is no bridge too far.

So yeah, chew on the idea that the Trump family is considering whether or not they can push back (or cancel) the election, and then think about how extensively they've been enabled the last four years.

Don't take these comments lightly. It could be disastrous if you do.

they do not need to cancel or postpone elections for Trump to remain in office
 
2020-05-13 10:44:45 AM  
To be fair incredibly charitable to that prissy little fark, there's no reason that the prissly little fark should rule out something given that the prissly little fark doesn't have any say in the matter to begin with.
 
2020-05-13 10:44:56 AM  

bdub77: 1) F*ck Jared Kushner
2) He doesn't get to decide


No one gets to postpone it.
Never going to happen.
 
2020-05-13 10:45:11 AM  
No, you know what?  I think that everyone who supports the Trump administration should listen to Jared and follow his lead.  The elections WILL be delayed a few months because of the pandemic, for health reasons.  You should all stay home and listen to him, and ignore those "fake" polling places that pop up everywhere on November 2nd.
 
2020-05-13 10:45:31 AM  

Sin_City_Superhero: fragMasterFlash: Trump's term in office ends in January, full stop. With no election he has no claim to the office beyond that date.


That brings up an interesting scenario.  With or without an election, Trump's term ends in January.  If no election were held would we have no president or vice-president whatsoever?  Or would that make Pelosi president?


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2020-05-13 10:46:14 AM  
Let me put it another way: I will crawl over coronavirus-infected broken glass to vote Trump out of office.
 
2020-05-13 10:47:36 AM  
I hope everyone's ready for President Pelosi, in that event. She'd be the next one in line since Trump and Pence would be out of there. You also run into the problem that with no election then all of the senators would also lose their seats, too. So, the man that loves chaos, I think this would be too much chaos for even Trump to survive it.

Can the President Cancel The Election & What Would Happen? (LegalEagle's Real Law Review)
Youtube yQLbNekBU1A
 
2020-05-13 10:47:55 AM  

fragMasterFlash: Trump's term in office ends in January, full stop. With no election he has no claim to the office beyond that date.


So just add it to the pile of all the other shiat he's done that he has "no claim to" or is just straight up illegal. After spending weeks watching him literally steal critical testing supplies from states he doesn't like, practically like a farking pirate, I cannot understand why people are still so delusional they think he "can't" do this. Maybe he won't, but saying he can't is just living in a pure fantasy world of denial or ignorance.

The constitution is just a collection of ideas if no one enforces them and considering NO ONE HAS ENFORCED ANY OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS in the last 3.5 years it is utterly meaningless. We've firmly established that at this point. The DOJ is dropping charges on a high level government official that PLEAD GUILTY TO TREASON. The constitution, law, and common decency do not apply to Trump or the GOP. It's really time we accept that and prepare instead of pretending it can't happen. It is almost a certainty that is WILL happen, so what are we going to do about it when it does?
 
2020-05-13 10:48:08 AM  

bdub77: Let me put it another way: I will crawl over coronavirus-infected broken glass to vote Trump out of office.


I would jump ass first into a dumpster full of that glass after you crawled through it for the same opportunity.
 
2020-05-13 10:48:59 AM  

alitaki: [Narrator:] He can't.


It's a Congressional power. And, it should be remembered, we had elections during 2 world wars, the Civil War, and the Spanish Flu pandemic.
 
2020-05-13 10:49:01 AM  

Sin_City_Superhero: fragMasterFlash: Trump's term in office ends in January, full stop. With no election he has no claim to the office beyond that date.


That brings up an interesting scenario.  With or without an election, Trump's term ends in January.  If no election were held would we have no president or vice-president whatsoever?  Or would that make Pelosi president?


LegalEagle did this one, Trump can't hold office at that time, and neither can Pence with no election their terms are served and ended. That brings us to the next Constitutionally recognized official which is Speaker of the House (the Senate has no such recognized position, McConnel holds a title recognized by parties but not by law).

Current elected House Speaker? Welcome President Pelosi.
 
2020-05-13 10:49:42 AM  

bdub77: 1) F*ck Jared Kushner
2) He doesn't get to decide


This.

Plus

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2020-05-13 10:49:52 AM  
He can't? How many times have we said that about Trump and yet he's walked all over the law and the Republicans have let him?

Nothing matters anymore, and Trump has said that the President has immunity or, alternatively, cannot do anything illegal while in office.

This is a culmination of 3.5 years of lawlessness. This is what they've been working up to. When this administration says something like this, believe this is their goal.
 
2020-05-13 10:51:23 AM  
Mail-in ballots would negate any impact the Coronavirus may have on voting.  But that would allow the poors to vote (and mail-in ballots are not as easily hacked as the Diebold machines)  That simply will not do.
 
2020-05-13 10:53:15 AM  
I think deep in trump's little lizard brain, he knows that the end of his failed presidency will likely mean indictments from NY State.  It's not about staying president, it's about staying out of prison. The GOP protects him because they know the moron will sign whatever they put in front of him if they properly kiss his ass first.  I have no doubt that they're already discussing how they can use a public health crisis to somehow twist the odds in trump's favor. I do wish he'd choke to death on his own phlegm soon, though. That would really be for the best.
 
2020-05-13 10:54:00 AM  

FormlessOne: Told you. That's part of the game plan now - using COVID-19 as an excuse to manipulate, postpone, or outright cancel the 2020 election.

I'm waiting for a martial law declaration.


Republicans are scared shiatless. They tried to steal the election in Wisconsin think Democrats wouldn't turn up to vote with the threat of covid-19.

Instead they got taken to the electoral wood shed even with all the closing of polling places and being the undemocratic cucks they are.

We are coming for you in November Republicans. We can do this the easy way or the hard way... you're not going to enjoy the hard way.

/user name checks out comment.
// Republicans are the enemy of a free and open society.
/// three for the republic if we can keep it.
 
2020-05-13 10:54:26 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Imagine having to work with a completely incompetent daddy's boy like Jared who can never be fired no matter how terrible he is at his job.  Everyone who works for Donald Trump deserves to work for Donald Trump.


We've all worked with someone with some glorified title and unbelievable rank who, because of their name / who they're married to--CANNOT be fired. And, we're talking levels of incompetence that they would be fired from being the janitorial supplies clerk--on day farking one. But, because of who they are, the rest of the staff has to bite their tongue and make him look good by doing their jobs 10x better just to compensate for him, ready to get blamed when he farks up.

These last four years (hell, these last 40 years) has shined such a bright light on wtf MUST be changed--structurally and every other way. The next 15 years will be The New Reconstruction. Hopefully.
 
2020-05-13 10:54:43 AM  

HerptheDerp: Sin_City_Superhero: fragMasterFlash: Trump's term in office ends in January, full stop. With no election he has no claim to the office beyond that date.


That brings up an interesting scenario.  With or without an election, Trump's term ends in January.  If no election were held would we have no president or vice-president whatsoever?  Or would that make Pelosi president?

LegalEagle did this one, Trump can't hold office at that time, and neither can Pence with no election their terms are served and ended. That brings us to the next Constitutionally recognized official which is Speaker of the House (the Senate has no such recognized position, McConnel holds a title recognized by parties but not by law).

Current elected House Speaker? Welcome President Pelosi.


If there is no election, there would be no House Representatives - they're all up for election.

Two-thirds of the Senate would still be in office, so the President Pro Tem would become president.
 
2020-05-13 10:54:59 AM  

fragMasterFlash: Trump's term in office ends in January, full stop. With no election he has no claim to the office beyond that date.


President Pelosi, baby. It's in the Constitution.
 
2020-05-13 10:55:59 AM  

Jake Havechek: Who's the dipshiat reporter who even asked this stupid dick that question?

The date of the presidential election is in the Constitution.  It is not negotiable.  It is not up to the criminal Trump administration to decide.


Smarted, but with a side of 'we hope.'   This kind of talk was dumb with Obama, Bush 2 Electric Shrub-aloo, and Clinton(the prevent old guy, not Hilary) But frankly no one can put anything past trump and the current gop.  Hell, they are honestly talking about a show trial against the former president for crimes*.  rump cronies have repeatedly said things that everyone was like. They would never do that, and then they did it.

So if defeat looks likely and there is a handy excuse for postponing the election, why would he try to postpone it?   The senate would back him, the USSC would likely support him,   We will see what they do with the tax return case.  If the USSC rules that congress's oversight powers are effectively toothless, then they have already dealt the constitution a mortal blow.  What's to stop them from going all the way?  This is not a partisan attack, from a rational self interest POV, why wouldn't the GOP do whatever they need to in order to hold power.   If they lose the senate and the White House, it's possible that the democrats may actually stand up to them.

*everyone knows what crimes, but no one is able to say.  So maybe Obama is some sort of dark wizard.  And being that Obama has necromancy power, time travel and probably mind control, do we really want to piss him off?  Do we need COVID zombies running around right now?
 
2020-05-13 10:56:09 AM  

Epic Fap Session: I'm not ruling out a threesome with Anne Hathaway and Emily Ratajkowski just yet.


"That's what they want: two women. Fellas, I think that's a bit lofty. Because, come on, think about it - if you can't satisfy that one woman, why do you want to piss off another one? Why have two angry women in the bed with you at the same time? And think about it - you know how much you hate to talk after sex, imagine having two women just nagging you to death."

- Wanda Sykes
 
2020-05-13 10:56:21 AM  

Sin_City_Superhero: fragMasterFlash: Trump's term in office ends in January, full stop. With no election he has no claim to the office beyond that date.


That brings up an interesting scenario.  With or without an election, Trump's term ends in January.  If no election were held would we have no president or vice-president whatsoever?  Or would that make Pelosi president?


We've done this several times now, like the Matrix movie the results are the same. The next president would be the longest serving member of the majority party of the 2/3rds of Senators left on the Senate floor. No congresscritters would have jobs and a third of the Senate wouldn't either.
 
2020-05-13 10:56:58 AM  
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I'm voting one way or another.
 
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2020-05-13 10:57:09 AM  
Not really his call, why does anybody care?
 
2020-05-13 10:57:49 AM  

Jake Havechek: Who's the dipshiat reporter who even asked this stupid dick that question?

The date of the presidential election is in the Constitution.  It is not negotiable.  It is not up to the criminal Trump administration to decide.


Stupid? The reporter was farking brilliant. Kushner doesn't have the mental capacity to answer a question like that without farking over Trump's and his own image. The reporter was Bugs Bunny handing Elmer an exploding cigar.
 
2020-05-13 10:58:20 AM  

EmmaLou: He can't? How many times have we said that about Trump and yet he's walked all over the law and the Republicans have let him?


it's really simple: HE DOESN'T NEED TO. WHY CANCEL RIGGED ELECTIONS
 
2020-05-13 10:58:30 AM  

Hexsun: The constitution is just a collection of ideas if no one enforces them and considering NO ONE HAS ENFORCED ANY OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS in the last 3.5 years it is utterly meaningless. We've firmly established that at this point.


Exactly this.

It's like, look, I get it. The Constitution doesn't work this way and he "can't" just push off an election. That's true. And to be clear, I don't think this is something that will come to pass. It's highly, highly unlikely. There should, in theory, be enough checks and balances in place to prevent any such thing from even getting started.

However, it's naive to believe they don't have the ability to shred the Constitution with the help of a complicit party, courts, and federal government.

I'm not saying it will happen, but the very fact that there is a willingness there, coupled with a three- to four-year track record of Constitutionally questionable efforts being enabled by those court and that party, should make anyone with sense sit up and take notice.

As you say, the law only matters when there are people willing to enforce it. Otherwise, it's just a nice idea.

It's not about Trump, either. The man is a bumbling buffoon who probably has troubles cleaning up after his morning dook.

It's about the people around him who protect him: a complicit Justice Department, the grim reaper in the Senate, and now the Supreme Court of the United States, along with an entire party of loyalists ... a party which still controls the majority of state governments, half the legislative branch, and the executive and judicial branches.

It's foolish to just declare "he can't do that" and assume that's so simply because precedent says so. We should all know by now that precedent doesn't matter anymore.

Again, I'm not saying this is going to happen. To be clear, I think it's highly unlikely.

But the very fact that they're floating the trial balloon should trouble anyone who's actually been paying attention.
 
2020-05-13 10:59:04 AM  
You know, if they get enough people sick and this covid gets way out of hand they may have to delay the election...damn them! They play a long, twisted and stumbling game.
 
2020-05-13 11:06:49 AM  
It doesn't matter what the Constitution says. They could accomplish this.

This is what Trump does. He constantly does shiat that the Constitution says he cannot do and what the laws of this country and of basic human decency say he cannot do, and he does them anyway. And he's never really held to account. He refuses to pay most people. He's declared bankruptcy probably under shady circumstances, gotten shady loans, withheld his taxes, threatened people publicly, incited violence, profited from the office, collusion collusion collusion..... there's not enough room to list it all.

But he's gotten away with it all. Because the people in charge of holding him to account have not been able to do so, whether it's because they've been kept from doing so by Trump toadies, or because they simply point and gawk and just keep saying "you can't do that" without actually DOING anything to keep him from doing that.

We as a country and people SUCK at doing anything to actually punish and disincentivize powerful people doing awful shiat. We gawk, we point, we keep saying "Y-y-you can't do that, stopppp, stoppp" while they keep doing it. And this includes Congressional people in charge of checking his power. There is simply no meaningful action beyond hand-wringing and Twitter snipes and sarcastic claps.

People here should really give thought to and prepare for the possibility that the mechanisms of the government will, like they have so far, just.... let Trump do awful shiat. Because we've relied on the honor system so far, and the honor system doesn't  cut it anymore.

You cannot legislate a serial law-breaker into caring about the law.
 
2020-05-13 11:09:32 AM  

EmmaLou: He can't? How many times have we said that about Trump and yet he's walked all over the law and the Republicans have let him?

Nothing matters anymore, and Trump has said that the President has immunity or, alternatively, cannot do anything illegal while in office.

This is a culmination of 3.5 years of lawlessness. This is what they've been working up to. When this administration says something like this, believe this is their goal.


Law is one thing, trying to override the Construction is a big other.
Know your Constitution, I hope someone posts this link in every thread where this comes up.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/constitu​t​ioncenter.org/amp/blog/does-the-consti​tution-allow-for-a-delayed-presidentia​l-election
 
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