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(Politico)   The real reason Trump and the GOP want to reopen? They think it will make them look good. The hundreds of thousand dead will just be icing on the cake   (politico.com) divider line
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2020-05-13 9:17:01 AM  
Well, he's right about the orange paint, mottled residual hair, and 6" lifts making him look like a dapper man about town, so he's sure to be right about this!
 
2020-05-13 10:34:01 AM  
Of course that is what they think.  You don't need an article pointing this out to see it.  And they are pushing really hard to make this seem like no big deal and the past couple of months as an "overreaction".  They've set dates and droves of people are treating those dates as "everything is cool now" yet *nothing* of note is being done to help monitor and curb the spread of this thing, outside the mayors of population centers who are trying their best with what they have.

They're encouraging the normalization of the spread of disease, the resulting deaths and life altering ailments that result and then trying to say it would have happened this way no matter what.
 
2020-05-13 11:08:55 AM  
I'm flabbergasted by this whole thing. The Repubs seem to be actively trying to kill their own base with disinfomation.
 
2020-05-13 11:19:57 AM  
The whole "poor black people are more likely to catch covid-19 and die than most other demographics" thing might also be a factor in their rush to reopen.
 
2020-05-13 12:21:53 PM  

tjsands1118: I'm flabbergasted by this whole thing. The Repubs seem to be actively trying to kill their own base with disinfomation.


They're counting on it killing a roughly equivalent amount of durty libz.
 
2020-05-13 12:23:05 PM  
This is also why their official unstated policy was to stymie testing as much as they can for as long as possible, they knew the real numbers made them look bad and they could never make an argument for reopening if the real figures are known.
 
2020-05-13 12:23:15 PM  
The same reason he paints his face orange... he thinks it makes him look good.
 
2020-05-13 12:24:59 PM  
The real reason is that Trump and the Republicans absolutely needs something divisive to run on. They have no plans for anything so the only real tactic they have is to assign some negative attribute to the Democrats (socialism, baby killer, etc.,) and then run on that, in this case, freedom-loving individuals that are more than willing to sacrifice their lives to ensure rich people aren't inconvenienced; vs. those that are trying to limit the body count during a worldwide pandemic...
 
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2020-05-13 12:25:48 PM  
I guess just throw that on the giant pile of things that he's wrong about.
 
2020-05-13 12:26:25 PM  
He made that clear when he said that they shouldn't do more testing because it makes us look bad. But Trump is so impossibly stupid, that I give a 35% chance that he thinks testing is what causes the virus.
 
2020-05-13 12:26:29 PM  
Well yes, we knew this the minute the markets started tanking and he tried to deflect the blame to the governors since "they're the ones" telling you to stay home and not work.
 
2020-05-13 12:26:36 PM  
going to sacrifice June so we can have a May
 
2020-05-13 12:26:44 PM  
I truly doubt that they can conceptualize the deaths they are causing. Every single advocate of reopening I've encountered treats the death toll like it's done kind of nebulous "over there" problem that cannot possibly happens to them. They just wanna reopen the economy because they're just short-sighted capitalists, and they think it'd be a victory, consequences be damned.
 
2020-05-13 12:27:03 PM  
Now that I've whomped Iowa, all that's left for me to do is get that My Pillow crackhead.
 
2020-05-13 12:28:00 PM  
When your political strategy has involved cultivating a hard core dedicated following of self-centered, anti-social, anti-science, anti-intellectual troglodytes who would gladly sacrifice the rest of the world to make a few bucks, you can get locked into some rather poor policy choices. Especially when your party promotes one of those types to President.
 
2020-05-13 12:28:12 PM  
Given all the leeway to do whatever he wanted and would only ever be challenged when the market shiat the bed; which was inevitable with a clown king holding court in the WH.
 
2020-05-13 12:28:17 PM  
If they are able to successfully open the economy, get people back to work, and people do not end up sick and dying, then they would be 100%.  It would make them look good.

The unfortunate truth is that that 100% is a fantasy.  When the economy finally re-opens, it will be more like 40%.  Unemployment will still be rampant.  The economy will still be in serious shiat.

And, like it or not, relaxing those restrictions is going to cause a second wave of this thing.  And when that happens, we might be in worse trouble that we are right now.

And here's the thing...  We just don't know.  It is a gamble either way.
 
2020-05-13 12:30:12 PM  

MattytheMouse: I truly doubt that they can conceptualize the deaths they are causing. Every single advocate of reopening I've encountered treats the death toll like it's done kind of nebulous "over there" problem that cannot possibly happens to them. They just wanna reopen the economy because they're just short-sighted capitalists, and they think it'd be a victory, consequences be damned.


Less a nebulous "over there" and more a "you're an acceptable loss for my 401k regaining that $50k it lost." At least for where I'm at.
 
2020-05-13 12:31:44 PM  
Nah, they just want to create a situation where businesses are technically "open" so they don't have to pay out unemployment benefits. That means if you stay home because you don't want to catch Covid-19, you don't qualify for the benefits because you COULD be working, technically.

Plus the GOP donors want the wealth stream flowing back to the top like it was before, too, even if it means the poors have to die to make it happen.
 
2020-05-13 12:31:53 PM  
"You had your chance, Science, now it's time for FAITH"


/s
 
2020-05-13 12:32:18 PM  
So how to appeal to the real selectorate?

1. Everyone is interested in keeping their position or gaining a higher rung in a hierarchy.
Trump has not helped people due to malfeasance and incompetence.   This is enough to make him lose voters.

2. Everyone is interested in ensuring their maximal money.
Trump has failed on this. He is hoping that the stock market goes up. This is the one hope he has.

3. Preferences. Some people love that he is an asshole because he is an asshole to the right people.
This third preference was enough to tip the scales last time.  The top two reasons override this reason this time.
 
2020-05-13 12:34:10 PM  

emersonbiggins: "You had your chance, Science, now it's time for FAITH"


/s


Man, that 'rona isn't going to stand a chance against the full might of thoughts and prayers from the right.
 
2020-05-13 12:34:32 PM  

FleshMonkey: So how to appeal to the real selectorate?

1. Everyone is interested in keeping their position or gaining a higher rung in a hierarchy.
Trump has not helped people due to malfeasance and incompetence.   This is enough to make him lose voters.

2. Everyone is interested in ensuring their maximal money.
Trump has failed on this. He is hoping that the stock market goes up. This is the one hope he has.

3. Preferences. Some people love that he is an asshole because he is an asshole to the right people.
This third preference was enough to tip the scales last time.  The top two reasons override this reason this time.


You seem to forget #3 can easily override #1 & #2 since they won't blame him for the farkups.
 
2020-05-13 12:34:49 PM  
To give Trump an idea of the scale of deaths, compare the number of deaths to the size of his inauguration crowd.  And frame it like - oh, btw, 1/3 of the people that came to your inauguration have died.  XD
 
2020-05-13 12:35:05 PM  
Here is an interesting experiment.  Ask a conservative and a liberal this one question, and see which is willing to give you an honest answer:

How many deaths do you consider to be acceptable if we open the economy right now?

Off the top of my head, I think that the answers will be:
Liberal:  As few as possible
Conservative:  I couldn't possibly care less.
 
2020-05-13 12:35:37 PM  
Right wingers are happy for every death that doesn't personally hurt them.

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2020-05-13 12:36:54 PM  
This is the same guy who bet the farm on "it will go away on its own" and he would look like the magical man who waved his Harry Potter wand and chanted "Covidious Expelliarmus" and made it all go away.

And by "farm", I mean "83,333 dead and counting".
 
2020-05-13 12:38:37 PM  
Here's what I don't get. Sure opening fast feels good right now (to dumb people), but won't that make things look much worse closer to election?

Why is the GOP "strategy" not "Camp down hard now. Explain that it is for your own safety. Support stimulus. And then start the re-open as part of a PR blitz before the elections

Didn't they used to be good at this sort of thing?
 
2020-05-13 12:38:47 PM  
On right-wing sites Trump's every screw up is framed it could have been worse under Clinton and was worse under Obama. Sure, it's the fallacy of relative privation, but where the Democrats are framed as the literal enemy they are caught up in a cognitive bubble.
 
2020-05-13 12:38:54 PM  
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2020-05-13 12:42:31 PM  
In my cynicism, I'm more inclined to believe the main reason Republicans want to "reopen the economy" is that it will ensure the pandemic is still a major problem come November.  Then they can roll out a whole new set of voter suppression tactics in the name of "safety".  That, and the mere existence of the pandemic itself means any state without vote-by-mail will see a significant drop in turnout.
 
2020-05-13 12:42:51 PM  
It boils down to this. As soon as the viral shiat hit the fan, Trump et al had two options.

1) Attempt to solve the problem.
Chance of virus success: 20%
Chance of political success: 10%


2) Attempt to stay in office.
Chance of virus success: 0%
Chance of political success: 15%


You can quibble forever about what counts as success in beating back the plague, or what the exact percentages are. But that's structurally what's going on here. Whether through instinct or that jenius brain of his crunching the numbers, he figured that he'd stand a better chance of staying president if he let the virus put a few hundred thousand Americans in the ground.

This is not totally insane. Well, I mean, yes, it is utterly insane, to say nothing of evil. But it's a rational, depraved-indifference kind of insane rather than a painting-the-walls-with-my-own-feces kind of insane. I guess adversity really does bring out the best in him.
 
2020-05-13 12:45:47 PM  
Nobody likes those stinky old people anyway.
 
2020-05-13 12:50:28 PM  
One reason I don't trust the media--every time they have the chance to ask Trump a question, the first one isn't "What is wrong witchoo???"
 
2020-05-13 12:51:06 PM  
They're not entirely wrong; Liberate assholes think this is simply survival of the fittest, and it will mostly affect the old, the sick, the poor and the "mongrel races".

The problem is, they tick a lot of boxes themselves.  The white privilege is so strong they think COVID is simply going to bypass them, even though a slim majority of them never skipped a Baconator and smoke about a pack a day.
 
2020-05-13 12:52:57 PM  
Easy logic:

If your freedom means someone else has to die, you are either

1) at war and the enemy is gathering at your doorstep

2)  trapped in a prison of some kind and suffering tyranny at the hands of your enemies

3)  sociopathic with homocidal tendencies in the absence of empathy or conscience

or

4)  stupid a.f.

Since there is no national coordinated response, it isn't #1.

Some folks think it is #2 because they don't understand how America works.

The rest of us know it is #3 and we aren't likely to forget any time soon.

Those in the #4 category will be forgiven since you can't help it.  Bless your hearts.
 
2020-05-13 12:53:25 PM  

MinatoArisato013: MattytheMouse: I truly doubt that they can conceptualize the deaths they are causing. Every single advocate of reopening I've encountered treats the death toll like it's done kind of nebulous "over there" problem that cannot possibly happens to them. They just wanna reopen the economy because they're just short-sighted capitalists, and they think it'd be a victory, consequences be damned.

Less a nebulous "over there" and more a "you're an acceptable loss for my 401k regaining that $50k it lost." At least for where I'm at.


I was somewhat more concerned with the idea that right wing nuts are calling the CDC death numbers "fake".

"Whar deff surtiffkut?! WHAR!?"
 
2020-05-13 1:00:08 PM  
I think enough leaders decided that so long as there's a vacant bed in an ICU somewhere, it's ok that there will be a lot of dead people over the next two months. I'm inferring that they did enough math to determine that hospitals wouldn't become overcrowded, but maybe that's giving them too much credit.

In Texas, we've got about 2-3 weeks to see how this shakes down. In another five days or so, the governor was supposed to look at data to see if businesses can move to 50% capacity.

/Narrator: It won't matter what the data says. The opening will continue regardless of any warning signs.
 
2020-05-13 1:05:08 PM  
Meh. Dead people don't vote. Survivors will remember the people who freed them from tyranny.
 
2020-05-13 1:05:50 PM  
I really feel for workers who will be put in harms way and small business owners who are and will continue to suffer as a result of the economic damage this shiat is causing.  However, speaking for our family, until there is a vaccine, we will not be regular participants in this economy.  No flying, dine in restaurants, concerts, ball games, museums, festivals, etc.  We will continue to support our local restaurants and businesses with delivery and curbside Pick-up.  Problem is, I know I'm not the only one who feels this way and that translates into some piss poor economic numbers.
 
2020-05-13 1:08:41 PM  
The rich have found ways to ensure that 95% of people are living on as little as possible. They've squeezed all the blood from that stone as they can. The next step is having less poor people.

Some part of my brain actually wonders if that's their logic here: Automation means they need less wage slaves now, why not take advantage of a good pandemic to get rid of them...
 
2020-05-13 1:08:41 PM  

snowshovel: Meh. Dead people don't vote. Survivors will remember the people who freed them from tyranny.


Yeah, they'll definitely remember the nurses and doctors who freed them from the tyranny of Trump-level ignorance and crisis mismanagement.
 
2020-05-13 1:16:40 PM  

tjsands1118: I'm flabbergasted by this whole thing. The Repubs seem to be actively trying to kill their own base with disinfomation.


Republicans are fine with killing Americans. It's just usually they do so by sending them off to stupid wars.
 
2020-05-13 1:17:06 PM  
Duh. It's been said on Fark many times. It's just wishful thinking that "reopening" means thinks will transmogrify back to where they were 12 months ago.

Just one example of what's coming: barring some huge change, United Airlines plans to furlough over 4000 pilots come October, fully one-third. Who knows how many of everybody else. The best case scenario I can think of would cut those numbers by half at best.

We're stuck with the virus for a while and we're stuck with a slow economy (at best) for a while. No amount of magical thinking is going to change that reality.
 
2020-05-13 1:21:45 PM  

Texas Gabe: snowshovel: Meh. Dead people don't vote. Survivors will remember the people who freed them from tyranny.

Yeah, they'll definitely remember the nurses and doctors who freed them from the tyranny of Trump-level ignorance and crisis mismanagement.


even doctors like Rand Paul think we should open up.
 
2020-05-13 1:27:04 PM  

snowshovel: Texas Gabe: snowshovel: Meh. Dead people don't vote. Survivors will remember the people who freed them from tyranny.

Yeah, they'll definitely remember the nurses and doctors who freed them from the tyranny of Trump-level ignorance and crisis mismanagement.

even doctors like Rand Paul think we should open up.


When it comes to a viral pandemic, I'll go with the opinions of the noted infectious disease expert beholden to the people rather than the self-certified eye doctor beholden to Trump, thank you very much.
 
2020-05-13 1:29:31 PM  

uknesvuinng: In my cynicism, I'm more inclined to believe the main reason Republicans want to "reopen the economy" is that it will ensure the pandemic is still a major problem come November.  Then they can roll out a whole new set of voter suppression tactics in the name of "safety".  That, and the mere existence of the pandemic itself means any state without vote-by-mail will see a significant drop in turnout.


I think you're on the ball.  Why else would he have that inexplicable beef with the postal service saying it must be shut down unless he knows that mail in voting is crucial to a fair election and he is almost a guaranteed loss unless they cheat they asses off by all means. It's going to get real ugly
 
2020-05-13 1:30:54 PM  
Trump has nothing to lose pushing for reopening.  Plus, if you oppose reopening it's as if you are rooting for failure and death.  You want Trump to fail and for people to die. You should be rooting for Trump to be correct. That's the way they will play it.
 
2020-05-13 1:36:35 PM  
Don't underestimate the number of folks out there who really do believe the virus should just run its course... until it affects them personally then it's all off.  It's the current take on the 'I didn't think the leopards would eat MY face' syndrome.
 
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