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2020-05-12 1:36:25 PM  
I remember reading some 20 years ago "this process spawns more children than Wilt Chamberlain".
 
2020-05-12 2:16:50 PM  
did they even bother?

Not much of a problem with the people on the list, but the order is a bit of a stretch.
 
2020-05-12 2:22:42 PM  
 
2020-05-12 2:29:28 PM  
Larry Bird is GOAT. Spend some time on YouTube and watch his games. The quality of some of the videos are not the great. He was a great trash talker also, but he backed it up.
 
2020-05-12 2:36:38 PM  

wiseolddude: Larry Bird is GOAT. Spend some time on YouTube and watch his games. The quality of some of the videos are not the great. He was a great trash talker also, but he backed it up.


I'm absolutely with you, I don't watch now, but I did watch basketball back then. I even bought the same hightop black leather with a green star Converse he wore, for work. The guys I worked with flipped out because I wore them to work, they were expensive at the time (can't recall, almost $100?), good shoes for being on your feet all day.

/ mmm boys in short shorts back then
 
2020-05-12 2:38:35 PM  

wiseolddude: Larry Bird is GOAT. Spend some time on YouTube and watch his games. The quality of some of the videos are not the great. He was a great trash talker also, but he backed it up.


There's a typo in your profile. You accidentally wrote "Everett, WA" instead of "Everett, MA" as your location, which is the only place you could possibly live and believe that statement.

I love Larry, he's a top 25 player, but GOAT? No.
 
2020-05-12 2:38:58 PM  

wiseolddude: Larry Bird is GOAT.


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2020-05-12 2:39:16 PM  
Where did Walton and Lanier wind up?
 
2020-05-12 2:42:49 PM  
MJ
LeBron
Wilt
Kareem

All tier one, and best ever is personal preference. Magic, Bird, Duncan, Russell, Shaq, and Kobe are the next tier down. You could argue for putting Curry and Jerry West in that group, too.
 
2020-05-12 2:49:48 PM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: wiseolddude: Larry Bird is GOAT. Spend some time on YouTube and watch his games. The quality of some of the videos are not the great. He was a great trash talker also, but he backed it up.

There's a typo in your profile. You accidentally wrote "Everett, WA" instead of "Everett, MA" as your location, which is the only place you could possibly live and believe that statement.

I love Larry, he's a top 25 player, but GOAT? No.


I agreed and I live in Pittsburgh, but we didn't/don't have an NBA team.
 
2020-05-12 3:02:11 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: Where did Walton and Lanier wind up?


They were dragged out of the list.
 
2020-05-12 3:09:32 PM  
No love for John Stockton and his short shorts? That's a tough cut.
 
2020-05-12 3:53:27 PM  

lindalouwho: I agreed and I live in Pittsburgh, but we didn't/don't have an NBA team.


Larry was a star and a champion and it's incredibly fun to watch highlights of his performances.

Yet there is no reasonable argument that someone who is #34 all-time on the career scoring list is the greatest player of all time.
 
2020-05-12 3:59:32 PM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: lindalouwho: I agreed and I live in Pittsburgh, but we didn't/don't have an NBA team.

Larry was a star and a champion and it's incredibly fun to watch highlights of his performances.

Yet there is no reasonable argument that someone who is #34 all-time on the career scoring list is the greatest player of all time.


You know eventually Michael Jeffrey Jordan will be #34 on the scoring list once the average NBA game finishes 175-174 with 30 three pointers for both teams.
 
2020-05-12 4:03:39 PM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: MJ
LeBron
Wilt
Kareem

All tier one, and best ever is personal preference. Magic, Bird, Duncan, Russell, Shaq, and Kobe are the next tier down. You could argue for putting Curry and Jerry West in that group, too.


This is a pretty solid tier / way to do it. GOAT / Best ever is gonna biased by age / era nostalgia.

I'd go with James because he's the best all around player and is built like a tank*.

* which is why it always confused me when people argued that he would get destroyed in the 80s / 90s. He's as big or bigger than most big men of that time
 
2020-05-12 4:09:06 PM  

Arkanaut: No love for John Stockton and his short shorts? That's a tough cut.


Stockton is criminally underrated.  Sure he's got the assists and steals lead, all-time, but his other qualities are remarkable.  He's a point guard with a 51.5% career FG percentage.  Only significant point guard who is better is Magic at 52%.   In 1989, Stockton shot almost 54%, averaged 17 points, 13.6 assists, and 3.2 steals per game.

Other all-time PG shooting percentages (yes, I know this is a flawed, pedantic argument, but I'm going to indulge myself)
The Big O - 48.5%
Zeke - 45%
Jason Kidd - 40%
Chris Paul - 47%
Steve Nash - 49%
 
2020-05-12 4:13:02 PM  

redmid17: Incorrigible Astronaut: MJ
LeBron
Wilt
Kareem

All tier one, and best ever is personal preference. Magic, Bird, Duncan, Russell, Shaq, and Kobe are the next tier down. You could argue for putting Curry and Jerry West in that group, too.

This is a pretty solid tier / way to do it. GOAT / Best ever is gonna biased by age / era nostalgia.

I'd go with James because he's the best all around player and is built like a tank*.

* which is why it always confused me when people argued that he would get destroyed in the 80s / 90s. He's as big or bigger than most big men of that time


It's because he flops and cries whenever he's touched.  I'm not sure why that's confusing.  Sure, you can make the argument that if Lebron had to, he'd adapt, but we'll never know.  And he seems big because the NBA has leaned out because nobody needs a bruiser anymore.

Just off the top of my head, Oakley, Anthony Mason, Larry Johnson, and Karl Malone were all bigger than Bronbron.  But again, if he played back then, he might have bulked up even more.  We'll never know.
 
2020-05-12 4:40:49 PM  

FLMountainMan: redmid17: Incorrigible Astronaut: MJ
LeBron
Wilt
Kareem

All tier one, and best ever is personal preference. Magic, Bird, Duncan, Russell, Shaq, and Kobe are the next tier down. You could argue for putting Curry and Jerry West in that group, too.

This is a pretty solid tier / way to do it. GOAT / Best ever is gonna biased by age / era nostalgia.

I'd go with James because he's the best all around player and is built like a tank*.

* which is why it always confused me when people argued that he would get destroyed in the 80s / 90s. He's as big or bigger than most big men of that time

It's because he flops and cries whenever he's touched.I'm not sure why that's confusing.  Sure, you can make the argument that if Lebron had to, he'd adapt, but we'll never know.  And he seems big because the NBA has leaned out because nobody needs a bruiser anymore.

Just off the top of my head, Oakley, Anthony Mason, Larry Johnson, and Karl Malone were all bigger than Bronbron.  But again, if he played back then, he might have bulked up even more.  We'll never know.


He doesn't act that way in a vacuum. MJ got the same kinds of calls by whining and biatching. So did Reggie.

In a shocking turn of events, memory can be fickle.

Size:
Mason - 6'7", 250
Larry Johnson - 6'7", 250
Charles Oakley - 6'8", 225
Karl Malone - 6'9", 250

Lebron - 6'9", 250

Now say if you'd thrown out Laimbeer, Cartwright, Smits, et all, you'd have been right but they also lack the foot speed to keep up. NBA hadn't really seen an athlete of Lebron's size with his footspeed. Magic comes the closest but he's not nearly the athlete James is.

As to never knowing, we already know how he finishes when 1-2 people intentionally foul trying to stop him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=​hKYgFa​1pIzs this one's a bit more dramatic https://www.youtube.com/watc​h?v=PbGyev​TmDq0
 
2020-05-12 5:06:05 PM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: lindalouwho: I agreed and I live in Pittsburgh, but we didn't/don't have an NBA team.

Larry was a star and a champion and it's incredibly fun to watch highlights of his performances.

Yet there is no reasonable argument that someone who is #34 all-time on the career scoring list is the greatest player of all time.


There are guys on the list I've never seen play, that's part of my bias.
 
2020-05-12 5:06:08 PM  
NBA hadn't really seen an athlete of Lebron's size with his footspeed.

Malone? LeBron is just Malone with less rebounds, more assists and probably some extra IQ points. Their traditional career numbers are very,very close.
 
2020-05-12 5:07:07 PM  

drewogatory: NBA hadn't really seen an athlete of Lebron's size with his footspeed.

Malone? LeBron is just Malone with less rebounds, more assists and probably some extra IQ points. Their traditional career numbers are very,very close.


Oh, and Wilt. Wilt was probably faster than LeBron.
 
2020-05-12 5:11:43 PM  

drewogatory: drewogatory: NBA hadn't really seen an athlete of Lebron's size with his footspeed.

Malone? LeBron is just Malone with less rebounds, more assists and probably some extra IQ points. Their traditional career numbers are very,very close.

Oh, and Wilt. Wilt was probably faster than LeBron.


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2020-05-12 5:13:53 PM  

redmid17: Incorrigible Astronaut: MJ
LeBron
Wilt
Kareem

All tier one, and best ever is personal preference. Magic, Bird, Duncan, Russell, Shaq, and Kobe are the next tier down. You could argue for putting Curry and Jerry West in that group, too.

This is a pretty solid tier / way to do it. GOAT / Best ever is gonna biased by age / era nostalgia.

I'd go with James because he's the best all around player and is built like a tank*.

* which is why it always confused me when people argued that he would get destroyed in the 80s / 90s. He's as big or bigger than most big men of that time


Am I a joke to you? (yes)
Its not about size, lbj is as big a puss as this guy is. And he is not a small dude.
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2020-05-12 5:16:48 PM  

drewogatory: LeBron is just Malone with less rebounds


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2020-05-12 5:19:11 PM  

Snotnose: I remember reading some 20 years ago "this process spawns more children than Wilt Chamberlain".


Wilt is an odd name for someone with his reputation.
 
2020-05-12 5:21:13 PM  

redmid17: drewogatory: drewogatory: NBA hadn't really seen an athlete of Lebron's size with his footspeed.

Malone? LeBron is just Malone with less rebounds, more assists and probably some extra IQ points. Their traditional career numbers are very,very close.

Oh, and Wilt. Wilt was probably faster than LeBron.

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In retrospect, maybe I should have been a little more precise. Specifically speed with skill aka ball in hand. Malone doesn't even register for me. Completely different kind of player. I watched him play for the better part of two decades.

Wilt though ... different position but man checking out some ye old timey highlights
 
2020-05-12 5:29:27 PM  

FLMountainMan: Arkanaut: No love for John Stockton and his short shorts? That's a tough cut.

Stockton is criminally underrated.  Sure he's got the assists and steals lead, all-time, but his other qualities are remarkable.  He's a point guard with a 51.5% career FG percentage.  Only significant point guard who is better is Magic at 52%.   In 1989, Stockton shot almost 54%, averaged 17 points, 13.6 assists, and 3.2 steals per game.

Other all-time PG shooting percentages (yes, I know this is a flawed, pedantic argument, but I'm going to indulge myself)
The Big O - 48.5%
Zeke - 45%
Jason Kidd - 40%
Chris Paul - 47%
Steve Nash - 49%


Saw him as a rookie playing golden state. The guy comes off the bench,looks like an altar boy and drives right thru the trees and scores. "You knew he was going to go right you just didn't know when"
 
2020-05-12 5:55:18 PM  

redmid17: redmid17: drewogatory: drewogatory: NBA hadn't really seen an athlete of Lebron's size with his footspeed.

Malone? LeBron is just Malone with less rebounds, more assists and probably some extra IQ points. Their traditional career numbers are very,very close.

Oh, and Wilt. Wilt was probably faster than LeBron.

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In retrospect, maybe I should have been a little more precise. Specifically speed with skill aka ball in hand. Malone doesn't even register for me. Completely different kind of player. I watched him play for the better part of two decades.

Wilt though ... different position but man checking out some ye old timey highlights


Well yeah, I'm sure LeBron is faster with the ball. Straight speed I'm not sure. Wilt ran something like a 49 second 400.
 
2020-05-12 6:19:58 PM  

drewogatory: redmid17: redmid17: drewogatory: drewogatory: NBA hadn't really seen an athlete of Lebron's size with his footspeed.

Malone? LeBron is just Malone with less rebounds, more assists and probably some extra IQ points. Their traditional career numbers are very,very close.

Oh, and Wilt. Wilt was probably faster than LeBron.

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In retrospect, maybe I should have been a little more precise. Specifically speed with skill aka ball in hand. Malone doesn't even register for me. Completely different kind of player. I watched him play for the better part of two decades.

Wilt though ... different position but man checking out some ye old timey highlights

Well yeah, I'm sure LeBron is faster with the ball. Straight speed I'm not sure. Wilt ran something like a 49 second 400.


And the main thing with Wilt is, he kept on running into this guy named Bill Russell in the finals, and that damn guy on the Celtics kept on pwning him on their way to winning more rings than he has fingers. If not for Russell reminding Chamberlain that defense counts, Wilt would have a few more rings.
 
2020-05-12 6:43:30 PM  

redmid17: * which is why it always confused me when people argued that he would get destroyed in the 80s / 90s. He's as big or bigger than most big men of that time


He whines like a little biatch if someone so much as breathes on him.
 
2020-05-12 6:47:36 PM  

Arkanaut: No love for John Stockton and his short shorts? That's a tough cut.


Not really. Stockton is closer to outside the top 40 than in the top 15.


Dude wasn't even the best player on his own team.
 
2020-05-12 6:58:15 PM  

drewogatory: NBA hadn't really seen an athlete of Lebron's size with his footspeed.

Malone? LeBron is just Malone with less rebounds, more assists and probably some extra IQ points. Their traditional career numbers are very,very close.


Karl Malone would never have gotten that chase down block got to win the series against the Warriors.
 
2020-05-12 8:28:00 PM  
Jordan stans still in here being complete idiots with regards to LeBron. Dude's like Shaq; gets fouled constantly but they're ignored because he's big and should therefore muscle through it.

Meanwhile, Kareem is always criminally underrated. Imagine if he'd played as a freshman at UCLA and gone pro. Dude would have easily scored over 40K points. And he's a better person than Jordan, too.
 
2020-05-12 8:58:25 PM  

IAmRight: Jordan stans still in here being complete idiots with regards to LeBron. Dude's like Shaq; gets fouled constantly but they're ignored because he's big and should therefore muscle through it.

Meanwhile, Kareem is always criminally underrated. Imagine if he'd played as a freshman at UCLA and gone pro. Dude would have easily scored over 40K points. And he's a better person than Jordan, too.


As an aside, we used to have a local band her that called themselves The New Alcindors. Mostly instrumental in the vein of Booker T.
 
2020-05-12 9:10:04 PM  

ClavellBCMI: drewogatory: redmid17: redmid17: drewogatory: drewogatory: NBA hadn't really seen an athlete of Lebron's size with his footspeed.

Malone? LeBron is just Malone with less rebounds, more assists and probably some extra IQ points. Their traditional career numbers are very,very close.

Oh, and Wilt. Wilt was probably faster than LeBron.

[media2.giphy.com image 480x270] [View Full Size image _x_]

In retrospect, maybe I should have been a little more precise. Specifically speed with skill aka ball in hand. Malone doesn't even register for me. Completely different kind of player. I watched him play for the better part of two decades.

Wilt though ... different position but man checking out some ye old timey highlights

Well yeah, I'm sure LeBron is faster with the ball. Straight speed I'm not sure. Wilt ran something like a 49 second 400.

And the main thing with Wilt is, he kept on running into this guy named Bill Russell in the finals, and that damn guy on the Celtics kept on pwning him on their way to winning more rings than he has fingers. If not for Russell reminding Chamberlain that defense counts, Wilt would have a few more rings.


Russell played in teams with more HOFers on its bench than Wilt's teams had on their roster.

Wilt outplayed Russell, but not by enough to offset the Celtics 2-5 guys killing his 2-5 guys.
 
2020-05-12 10:54:30 PM  
glad to see hakeem on the list
 
2020-05-13 3:39:14 AM  

js34603: Eddie Hazel's E string: lindalouwho: I agreed and I live in Pittsburgh, but we didn't/don't have an NBA team.

Larry was a star and a champion and it's incredibly fun to watch highlights of his performances.

Yet there is no reasonable argument that someone who is #34 all-time on the career scoring list is the greatest player of all time.

You know eventually Michael Jeffrey Jordan will be #34 on the scoring list once the average NBA game finishes 175-174 with 30 three pointers for both teams.


There's more 3 pointers made obviously, but the 80s was more higher scoring than the current era.
 
2020-05-13 11:54:08 AM  
Don't know if putting LeBron in the top four, a.k.a. the Mount Rushmore, is right.

Maybe Russell or Magic in his place.

The game has evolved over the years, but I can't argue MJ at #1. He beat all his contemporaries - Magic, Bird, Isiah, Barkley, Payton and Kemp, Drexel, and Stockton and Malone. Even Shaq.

In fairness, Bird had Magic as a counterpart, Chamberlain and Russell were rivals, and so on. During the majority of LBJ's career, he was the alpha in the far weaker conference. Even when they formed the Miami super team, they only won two titles in four trips.

But Jordan stood alone as the guy who could take on all comers. He had a relentless competitive fire, but I don't see that in LeBron. I see someone trying to be Jordan instead of himself. If he modeled his game after Pippen's or Malone's, or Dr. J. or even Barkley's, he'd fit more into a team structure and have more years with a supporting cast. But he tries to do it all.
 
2020-05-13 12:46:06 PM  

Conthan: drewogatory: NBA hadn't really seen an athlete of Lebron's size with his footspeed.

Malone? LeBron is just Malone with less rebounds, more assists and probably some extra IQ points. Their traditional career numbers are very,very close.

Karl Malone would never have gotten that chase down block got to win the series against the Warriors.


I didn't see that play, but Malone seems to be getting more underrated as time goes on. He was fast as shiat.
 
2020-05-13 8:25:44 PM  

YabbaDabbaDouchebag: Don't know if putting LeBron in the top four, a.k.a. the Mount Rushmore, is right.

Maybe Russell or Magic in his place.

The game has evolved over the years, but I can't argue MJ at #1. He beat all his contemporaries - Magic, Bird, Isiah, Barkley, Payton and Kemp, Drexel, and Stockton and Malone. Even Shaq.

In fairness, Bird had Magic as a counterpart, Chamberlain and Russell were rivals, and so on. During the majority of LBJ's career, he was the alpha in the far weaker conference. Even when they formed the Miami super team, they only won two titles in four trips.

But Jordan stood alone as the guy who could take on all comers. He had a relentless competitive fire, but I don't see that in LeBron. I see someone trying to be Jordan instead of himself. If he modeled his game after Pippen's or Malone's, or Dr. J. or even Barkley's, he'd fit more into a team structure and have more years with a supporting cast. But he tries to do it all.


Fun fact: Jordan never beat Bird (or the Celtics) in the playoffs.

He only beat Magic after Kareem retired and Magic (probably) had HIV. So it was merely an above-average Lakers squad, not really the Showtime team.
 
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