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(CNN)   The seat of the congresswoman who was forced to resign for having a consensual sexual relationship may end up going to a Republican   (edition.cnn.com) divider line
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2020-05-11 8:37:23 PM  
Well, isn't that just lovely?


We have come so far as a nation.
 
2020-05-11 8:45:33 PM  
They're just now doing the election? And there'll be another in November? Resubmit this in October for proper handwringing.
 
2020-05-11 8:51:20 PM  
I mean, who didn't expect this.
 
2020-05-11 10:13:21 PM  

italie: I mean, who didn't expect this.


Well we are in 2020.
 
2020-05-11 11:04:22 PM  
Forced to resign because some Republicans had nothing better to do than belittle a co-worker? Why are democrats so weak? Grow up and take a page out of their book but never, ever help them.
 
2020-05-11 11:07:30 PM  
High desert California.   Consider it a bellweather for meth lab districts.
 
2020-05-11 11:31:39 PM  

the unabomber was right: Forced to resign because some Republicans had nothing better to do than belittle a co-worker? Why are democrats so weak? Grow up and take a page out of their book but never, ever help them.


What do you think the response of the Democrats would have been if a male Republican had invited a female subordinate into a sexual relationship?

Not defending the Republicans here, but the relationship was extremely improper. She violated the Congressional ethics rules inspired by the Me Too movement.
 
2020-05-11 11:39:05 PM  
"Katie Hill's seat"

I'm going to need some time alone..............
 
2020-05-12 12:19:37 AM  
Just let the galaxy burn already......

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2020-05-12 12:23:14 AM  
The article says not to take any lessons from this. But there is a great lesson about the role of media interviews. The interviewers can totally throw the whole election by asking questions that go nowhere, and omitting questions about the pandemic. It says so right here:

FTA:
Garcia has been running more against Sacramento -- and the Democratic leadership there -- than Washington. "I don't want my nation to become what this state has become," Garcia said in the candidates' one debate. (Via Zoom.) It's a thread that has run through his candidacy.Interesting, the pandemic didn't dominate that hour-long discussion, although it certainly came up. There was talk about local traffic issues and help for small business,
 
2020-05-12 12:25:34 AM  
You ain't supposed to bang your employees, subby.
 
2020-05-12 12:28:18 AM  
If my side wins, it portends great things to come for my side but if my side loses, it means nothing.
 
2020-05-12 12:31:02 AM  
Newsflash: historically republican district may go back to its normal state of shiatiness.
 
2020-05-12 12:35:01 AM  

hammettman: High desert California.   Consider it a bellweather for meth lab districts.


Acton and Agua Dulce are full of California Rednecks and separatists, and Santa Clarita is the Land of Karens. I'm honestly surprised Katie Hill won that district.

Seriously, you can hear a chorus of "I'd like to speak to the manager" echoing around that whole valley at all hours.
 
2020-05-12 12:38:37 AM  

LincolnLogolas: hammettman: High desert California.   Consider it a bellweather for meth lab districts.

Acton and Agua Dulce are full of California Rednecks and separatists, and Santa Clarita is the Land of Karens. I'm honestly surprised Katie Hill won that district.

Seriously, you can hear a chorus of "I'd like to speak to the manager" echoing around that whole valley at all hours.


Oh, and don't even mention Green Valley. That's a whole new level of methy goodness.
 
2020-05-12 12:39:38 AM  

fuhfuhfuh: Newsflash: historically republican district may go back to its normal state of shiatiness.


Indeed. Nothing really new and ffs can Democrats ever get a candidate in California that isn't a coked-up sex-crazed party monster? I mean Republicans at least keep their child-molesting hush-hush and in the family.

/ Scary note -- Sacramento County nearly went GOP last election and we're still reeling from the decades of neglect they've allowed and of course now this nightmare.
 
2020-05-12 12:39:54 AM  
Data-wise, Katie Hill winning in CA-25 was an upset. A Republican taking it back would not be unusual.

I am deeply sorry that this is the truth.
 
2020-05-12 12:44:23 AM  

ArkAngel: the unabomber was right: Forced to resign because some Republicans had nothing better to do than belittle a co-worker? Why are democrats so weak? Grow up and take a page out of their book but never, ever help them.

What do you think the response of the Democrats would have been if a male Republican had invited a female subordinate into a sexual relationship?

Not defending the Republicans here, but the relationship was extremely improper. She violated the Congressional ethics rules inspired by the Me Too movement.


This is why democrats are weak. You literally spelled it out and that is why Trump was elected. The whole "we go high when they go low" movement inspired by the Liberals and championed by Michelle Obama needs to go. Seriously needs to be tossed because it doesn't apply in this timeline and I say that as a progressive. Nobody wants to vote for the liberal candidate that's whole platform is "you hurt my feelings" and "words can't hurt me."
 
2020-05-12 12:47:08 AM  

fuhfuhfuh: Newsflash: historically republican district may go back to its normal state of shiatiness.


Exactly. California has a whole lot of reliably Democratic congressional districts, but this isn't one of them.
 
2020-05-12 12:47:24 AM  
They are still scared. The city of Lancaster opened another polling location and the whining started immediately. I don't know the demographics but when they whine it is usually not good for them.
 
2020-05-12 12:54:06 AM  

LincolnLogolas: LincolnLogolas: hammettman: High desert California.   Consider it a bellweather for meth lab districts.

Acton and Agua Dulce are full of California Rednecks and separatists, and Santa Clarita is the Land of Karens. I'm honestly surprised Katie Hill won that district.

Seriously, you can hear a chorus of "I'd like to speak to the manager" echoing around that whole valley at all hours.

Oh, and don't even mention Green Valley. That's a whole new level of methy goodness.


we must have been kinda sorta neighbours at some point a couple of years ago.
San Francisquito Canyon was my preferred route into the SCV.
/bad times
 
2020-05-12 12:54:38 AM  
Rampant speculation based on nothing? CNN is there.

/ one of the networks that told us Trump could never win
// and then told us what he'd do next

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2020-05-12 12:56:51 AM  
Just to reemphasize:  Don't.  Bang.  Your.  Subordinates.

There are a whole host of problems in that kind of relationship.

Use it in an ad that starts out looking like it's attacking Democrats, but goes on to put Republican hypocrisy on full display.
 
2020-05-12 12:58:22 AM  
ArkAngel:

What do you think the response of the Democrats would have been if a male Republican had invited a female subordinate into a sexual relationship?

Was it consensual?  Then I don't care.  Adults are adults; leave them be to do what they want between themselves so long as there isn't any force or blackmail going on.

Unless they're legitimately into that sort of thing, in which case see "Was it consensual?".
 
2020-05-12 12:59:28 AM  
The Republican challenger doesn't like what his state has become. The 5th largest economy in the world.
 
2020-05-12 12:59:28 AM  
The area is heavy GOP, many police officers live there who are pro-Trump.  Lots of anti-vaxers too.  They're all having a bit of a meltdown about the masks and all that stuff.  Constant complaining of Newsom and they could care less about their schools, cutting funding and they were in trouble a few years ago for having very few minority administrators, they hired a few and spent the time since getting rid of all of them.  And it's turning out more Latinos than liberals would like to admit tend to lean republican so even those in the desert communities tend to vote that way.  Katie gave them motivation to flip it back red "see I told you they were all godless w.hores".  Katie should have taken her damn job more seriously and been better than this but maybe she was unqualified to begin with and her party should have selected a better candidate for such a high stakes game.
 
2020-05-12 1:00:00 AM  
*Congresswoman who resigned to head off an investigation into the affair she was.having with a member of her congressional staff.*

I was very proud to elect Katie Hill, and I was very disappointed at how naive she was.
 
2020-05-12 1:00:41 AM  
Mike Garcia easily won the advertising and road sign contest before the primaries. Katie hill was also miles ahead of Steve knight for that in 2016. It was really, really evident both times. Christy picked it up a bit for the runoff but who knows.

Just a few years ago we had Steve knight as one of the republicans standing in a full town hall with his fingers in his ears saying lalala I'm not answering you about why I'm voting to repeal your healthcare. Katie flips it. And now here we are.

I really hope at worst it's a temporary flip and there's as strong a Democratic showing in November as we all hope.
 
2020-05-12 1:01:40 AM  

Murkanen: ArkAngel:

What do you think the response of the Democrats would have been if a male Republican had invited a female subordinate into a sexual relationship?

Was it consensual?  Then I don't care.  Adults are adults; leave them be to do what they want between themselves so long as there isn't any force or blackmail going on.

Unless they're legitimately into that sort of thing, in which case see "Was it consensual?".


Doesn't matter.  That's part of the whole metoo movement, aka Weinstein.  The whole reason this is an issue, and against congressional rules, is because of the power and influence a boss has over a subordinate. If you choose to be a public figure you can't make these mistakes.
 
2020-05-12 1:05:06 AM  

ArkAngel: the unabomber was right: Forced to resign because some Republicans had nothing better to do than belittle a co-worker? Why are democrats so weak? Grow up and take a page out of their book but never, ever help them.

What do you think the response of the Democrats would have been if a male Republican had invited a female subordinate into a sexual relationship?

Not defending the Republicans here, but the relationship was extremely improper. She violated the Congressional ethics rules inspired by the Me Too movement.


The Democratic leadership might have put up a token protest, every Republican would have called it fake news and said the Democrats were so desperate they resorted to slandering a good Christian man/woman.  The Democrats would have backed down and the Republican would still be in office.

If Republicans sexual impropriety was grounds to remove someone from office they would not have elected a president with multiple sexual assault claims, spousal rape claims, and who has publically admitted to worse than Democrats have been run out of office for.

I get your point.  But asking what would the Democrats do if the situation was reversed does not work when the answer is "nothing".
 
2020-05-12 1:09:25 AM  

madpeanut: Murkanen: ArkAngel:

What do you think the response of the Democrats would have been if a male Republican had invited a female subordinate into a sexual relationship?

Was it consensual?  Then I don't care.  Adults are adults; leave them be to do what they want between themselves so long as there isn't any force or blackmail going on.

Unless they're legitimately into that sort of thing, in which case see "Was it consensual?".

Doesn't matter.  That's part of the whole metoo movement, aka Weinstein.  The whole reason this is an issue, and against congressional rules, is because of the power and influence a boss has over a subordinate. If you choose to be a public figure you can't make these mistakes.


Except, in this case, the only criminal activity which is alleged was perpetrated by her ex husband.
 
2020-05-12 1:11:06 AM  
madpeanut:

That's part of the whole metoo movement, aka Weinstein.

Weinstein abused his position to bully women into cheap and meaningless sex.  That's a completely different scenario to what Hill had with her partner.

The whole reason this is an issue, and against congressional rules, is because of the power and influence a boss has over a subordinate.

The reason it's an issue is because there are a lot of situations where women (or men) were pressured into sex they didn't want because of a power abusive boss.  That's not a consensual relationship.  It's blackmail, and wrong, but it also isn't universal true to all relationships between a boss and a subordinate.  Hell, 40% of long term relationships still started at work so boss/subordinate relationships aren't  something that's going to go away just because you waved a wand at it.

Protect the employees because it is 100% the right thing to do, but don't deny them agency to do it.
 
2020-05-12 1:15:10 AM  

Murkanen: ArkAngel:

What do you think the response of the Democrats would have been if a male Republican had invited a female subordinate into a sexual relationship?

Was it consensual?  Then I don't care.  Adults are adults; leave them be to do what they want between themselves so long as there isn't any force or blackmail going on.

Unless they're legitimately into that sort of thing, in which case see "Was it consensual?".


Did she consent to sleeping with him because she wanted to get the part? Then we should let Harvey go. Because it was consensual. Right?

Or should people not sleep with their subordinates? Did we learn nothing from #MeToo (before it was abandoned to protect Biden?)
 
2020-05-12 1:19:19 AM  
GrinzGrimly:

Did she consent to sleeping with him because she wanted to get the part? Then we should let Harvey go. Because it was consensual. Right?

No Sweetums, that's blackmail and coercion; the exact opposite of consensual.  It doesn't have to be physical force that's used in order for it to stop being a consenting act.

Or should people not sleep with their subordinates?

I'd ask what part of "Was it consensual"  are you struggling with, but you're a Republican so I imagine it's the concept of consensual sex.
 
2020-05-12 1:20:37 AM  

the unabomber was right: Forced to resign because some Republicans had nothing better to do than belittle a co-worker? Why are democrats so weak? Grow up and take a page out of their book but never, ever help them.


Forced to resign for break house ethic rules, while also having the audacity to be on the house ethics committee if I recall correctly.
 
2020-05-12 1:24:15 AM  

Murkanen: madpeanut:

That's part of the whole metoo movement, aka Weinstein.

Weinstein abused his position to bully women into cheap and meaningless sex.  That's a completely different scenario to what Hill had with her partner.

The whole reason this is an issue, and against congressional rules, is because of the power and influence a boss has over a subordinate.

The reason it's an issue is because there are a lot of situations where women (or men) were pressured into sex they didn't want because of a power abusive boss.  That's not a consensual relationship.  It's blackmail, and wrong, but it also isn't universal true to all relationships between a boss and a subordinate.  Hell, 40% of long term relationships still started at work so boss/subordinate relationships aren't  something that's going to go away just because you waved a wand at it.

Protect the employees because it is 100% the right thing to do, but don't deny them agency to do it.


Doesn't matter.  Those are the rules she agreed to follow when she took the job. If she cared so much she wouldn't have done this.  This isn't a job at your local grocery store, this is a congressional seat ffs.  She's double at fault given the district she's representing knowing how any misstep would ruin not just her career but damage her party as a whole in an area they barely won...

She put her short term desires above everything else.  If she were a he everyone would be having a fit just the same.
 
2020-05-12 1:26:05 AM  

Murkanen: GrinzGrimly:

Did she consent to sleeping with him because she wanted to get the part? Then we should let Harvey go. Because it was consensual. Right?

No Sweetums, that's blackmail and coercion; the exact opposite of consensual.  It doesn't have to be physical force that's used in order for it to stop being a consenting act.

Or should people not sleep with their subordinates?

I'd ask what part of "Was it consensual"  are you struggling with, but you're a Republican so I imagine it's the concept of consensual sex.


If you think it through, the whole Republican party platform almost could be summarized by their inability to understand the concept of consent.

Which is not surprising, considering that as part of his famous essay in which Hofstader absolutely nailed the mental illness of pseudoconservatism, he pointed out that it is associated with an inability to understand relationships "other than those of more or less complete domination or submission."
 
2020-05-12 1:26:36 AM  

hammettman: High desert California.   Consider it a bellweather for meth lab districts.


Walter white was a job creator!!
 
2020-05-12 1:33:28 AM  

Murkanen: GrinzGrimly:

Did she consent to sleeping with him because she wanted to get the part? Then we should let Harvey go. Because it was consensual. Right?

No Sweetums, that's blackmail and coercion; the exact opposite of consensual.  It doesn't have to be physical force that's used in order for it to stop being a consenting act.

Or should people not sleep with their subordinates?

I'd ask what part of "Was it consensual"  are you struggling with, but you're a Republican so I imagine it's the concept of consensual sex.


Not a Republican for the record.

There are plenty of other troubling power dynamics that can result in consensual sex between adults (coach, professor, scout troop leader, etc.), but if the folks in question are on the government payroll and in the public eye, it shows terrible judgment.

You can make a "heart wants what the heart wants" argument, but I think you ought to be able to expect your elected officials to control their urges a little better and follow the workplace rules.
 
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2020-05-12 1:35:29 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: hammettman: High desert California.   Consider it a bellweather for meth lab districts.

Walter white was a job creator!!


Walter White was a pussy. He tried to weasel his way out of Tuco's grip with words and when that didn't work he shot him.

What he shoulda done is shot him in that scene where he was playing magic tricks with fulminated mercury. He would have become the new kingpin right then and there and Jesse would have been avenged. Done.
 
2020-05-12 1:39:41 AM  

SlashBlot: ArkAngel: the unabomber was right: Forced to resign because some Republicans had nothing better to do than belittle a co-worker? Why are democrats so weak? Grow up and take a page out of their book but never, ever help them.

What do you think the response of the Democrats would have been if a male Republican had invited a female subordinate into a sexual relationship?

Not defending the Republicans here, but the relationship was extremely improper. She violated the Congressional ethics rules inspired by the Me Too movement.

This is why democrats are weak. You literally spelled it out and that is why Trump was elected. The whole "we go high when they go low" movement inspired by the Liberals and championed by Michelle Obama needs to go. Seriously needs to be tossed because it doesn't apply in this timeline and I say that as a progressive. Nobody wants to vote for the liberal candidate that's whole platform is "you hurt my feelings" and "words can't hurt me."


Except it wasn't just that at all, she resigned rather than face investigation. Now if just got jiggy with a campaign staffer, well it's foolish but not against the rules. The rules to prevent shiatty (the kind that were previously swept under the rug) "relationships" between congress critters and staff. Those rules were passed before she even ran for office, if I remember proper.
 
2020-05-12 1:40:43 AM  

GrinzGrimly: Murkanen: GrinzGrimly:

Did she consent to sleeping with him because she wanted to get the part? Then we should let Harvey go. Because it was consensual. Right?

No Sweetums, that's blackmail and coercion; the exact opposite of consensual.  It doesn't have to be physical force that's used in order for it to stop being a consenting act.

Or should people not sleep with their subordinates?

I'd ask what part of "Was it consensual"  are you struggling with, but you're a Republican so I imagine it's the concept of consensual sex.

Not a Republican for the record.

There are plenty of other troubling power dynamics that can result in consensual sex between adults (coach, professor, scout troop leader, etc.), but if the folks in question are on the government payroll and in the public eye, it shows terrible judgment.

You can make a "heart wants what the heart wants" argument, but I think you ought to be able to expect your elected officials to control their urges a little better and follow the workplace rules.



You lost every potential microgram of honesty with that part, n00b.
Much concern. Wow.
 
2020-05-12 1:42:52 AM  
Katie Hill and Christy Smith are, in fact, separate people.
 
2020-05-12 1:46:32 AM  

erik-k: Murkanen: GrinzGrimly:

Did she consent to sleeping with him because she wanted to get the part? Then we should let Harvey go. Because it was consensual. Right?

No Sweetums, that's blackmail and coercion; the exact opposite of consensual.  It doesn't have to be physical force that's used in order for it to stop being a consenting act.

Or should people not sleep with their subordinates?

I'd ask what part of "Was it consensual"  are you struggling with, but you're a Republican so I imagine it's the concept of consensual sex.

If you think it through, the whole Republican party platform almost could be summarized by their inability to understand the concept of consent.

Which is not surprising, considering that as part of his famous essay in which Hofstader absolutely nailed the mental illness of pseudoconservatism, he pointed out that it is associated with an inability to understand relationships "other than those of more or less complete domination or submission."


Generalize about groups of people much? Seems like conservatives have normal human relationships too...

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/​a​rchive/2015/08/one-quick-trick-to-havi​ng-a-happier-marriage-be-a-republican/​401507/

It's good you found an outlet for that stuff you paid them to tell you in college though!  Hope you were crushed by student debt that you're now expecting someone else to cover for something better than this!
 
2020-05-12 1:48:48 AM  

alienated: GrinzGrimly: Murkanen: GrinzGrimly:

Did she consent to sleeping with him because she wanted to get the part? Then we should let Harvey go. Because it was consensual. Right?

No Sweetums, that's blackmail and coercion; the exact opposite of consensual.  It doesn't have to be physical force that's used in order for it to stop being a consenting act.

Or should people not sleep with their subordinates?

I'd ask what part of "Was it consensual"  are you struggling with, but you're a Republican so I imagine it's the concept of consensual sex.

Not a Republican for the record.

There are plenty of other troubling power dynamics that can result in consensual sex between adults (coach, professor, scout troop leader, etc.), but if the folks in question are on the government payroll and in the public eye, it shows terrible judgment.

You can make a "heart wants what the heart wants" argument, but I think you ought to be able to expect your elected officials to control their urges a little better and follow the workplace rules.


You lost every potential microgram of honesty with that part, n00b.
Much concern. Wow.


Eagle Scouts are usually adults. If our standard is "consensual is ok", that should be too (obviously not cub scouts you sicko.)
 
2020-05-12 1:52:21 AM  

GrinzGrimly: Murkanen: GrinzGrimly:

Did she consent to sleeping with him because she wanted to get the part? Then we should let Harvey go. Because it was consensual. Right?

No Sweetums, that's blackmail and coercion; the exact opposite of consensual.  It doesn't have to be physical force that's used in order for it to stop being a consenting act.

Or should people not sleep with their subordinates?

I'd ask what part of "Was it consensual"  are you struggling with, but you're a Republican so I imagine it's the concept of consensual sex.

Not a Republican for the record.

There are plenty of other troubling power dynamics that can result in consensual sex between adults (coach, professor, scout troop leader, etc.), but if the folks in question are on the government payroll and in the public eye, it shows terrible judgment.

You can make a "heart wants what the heart wants" argument, but I think you ought to be able to expect your elected officials to control their urges a little better and follow the workplace rules.


Justifying when its okay to break the rules because the person is on the same team is a very republican viewpoint @Murkanen.  If not following those rules were more important to her than serving in her elected capacity she should have resigned before or at the start of the relationship and avoided all this. Republicans don't care what their elected officials do as long as they're sticking it to Democrat "liberals", what part of that don't people understand?  Therefore the people Democrats elect have to be literally flawless.  Fairness doesn't matter, that's how the game is played right now and these missteps are reckless and dumb.  Maybe the party didn't do their job and vet her closely enough.
 
2020-05-12 2:01:50 AM  
No Republican would resign over something like this.
 
2020-05-12 2:05:03 AM  
GrinzGrimly:

Not a Republican for the record.

Uh huh.
 
2020-05-12 2:05:20 AM  
Oh noes, she ate some snatch and smoked some weed. The horror.
 
2020-05-12 2:07:17 AM  

SlashBlot: ArkAngel: the unabomber was right: Forced to resign because some Republicans had nothing better to do than belittle a co-worker? Why are democrats so weak? Grow up and take a page out of their book but never, ever help them.

What do you think the response of the Democrats would have been if a male Republican had invited a female subordinate into a sexual relationship?

Not defending the Republicans here, but the relationship was extremely improper. She violated the Congressional ethics rules inspired by the Me Too movement.

This is why democrats are weak. You literally spelled it out and that is why Trump was elected. The whole "we go high when they go low" movement inspired by the Liberals and championed by Michelle Obama needs to go. Seriously needs to be tossed because it doesn't apply in this timeline and I say that as a progressive. Nobody wants to vote for the liberal candidate that's whole platform is "you hurt my feelings" and "words can't hurt me."


Ya, but you're talking to the sexist who spent 2016 telling us all he hated Hillary and we shouldn't vote for her twat coont ass because she's a biatch and jizz slurping vagina goblin.

People like him are the farking worst.

They are the driving force behind sexist bullshiat, then they revel like the scum they are when they succeed in turning anti-sexism or bigotry into a double edged sword.

You aren't wrong that liberals can be weak to the stones we throw at times (Al franken) but it is less because it isn't because we are hypocrites.its because we gullibly listen to conservative rhetoric.

It sunk Hillary. It's present in every anti-biden thread. Stop listening to them. We don't have to let this stuff get reversed on us if we apply a reasonable standard.
 
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