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2020-05-11 7:29:41 PM  
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2020-05-11 7:43:01 PM  
Bum advocate?

The homeless have borne the brunt of the shutdown. Typically, some 2,000 homeless people rely on trains as a warm place to pass the night.

Bum advocate.
 
2020-05-11 7:45:53 PM  

SwiftFox: Bum advocate?

The homeless have borne the brunt of the shutdown. Typically, some 2,000 homeless people rely on trains as a warm place to pass the night.

Bum advocate.


You say that like it's a bad thing.
 
2020-05-11 7:47:18 PM  
The fark you doing out at 3am? Go home and be a family man.
 
2020-05-11 7:48:38 PM  

SwiftFox: Bum advocate?

The homeless have borne the brunt of the shutdown. Typically, some 2,000 homeless people rely on trains as a warm place to pass the night.

Bum advocate.


I'll counter with this. If the homeless, "bums" to you, had adequate shelter.... Well, they wouldn't be on the subway. Instead of punishment, try to address the core issue.

Or, you know, biatch about "bums" stinking up the place.
 
2020-05-11 7:51:01 PM  
and?
 
2020-05-11 7:51:15 PM  
The rats must be totally confused.
 
2020-05-11 7:53:08 PM  

baron von doodle: SwiftFox: Bum advocate?

The homeless have borne the brunt of the shutdown. Typically, some 2,000 homeless people rely on trains as a warm place to pass the night.

Bum advocate.

I'll counter with this. If the homeless, "bums" to you, had adequate shelter.... Well, they wouldn't be on the subway. Instead of punishment, try to address the core issue.

Or, you know, biatch about "bums" stinking up the place.


The fact the homeless advocates view the subway as a mobile homeless shelter is proof that the current system to treat homelessness in NYC is farked.
 
2020-05-11 7:53:49 PM  
The A-number-one way to get downtown late at night. 
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2020-05-11 7:53:52 PM  
core issue is that they cant afford to live in that city and that there is no way you are going to get them a place to stay on the island , find them a place to stay somewhere and a way to get back on their feet.
 
2020-05-11 7:55:30 PM  
This is obviously a complicated issue, but that article was a tad dramatic. I understand that the homeless use the subway as a warm place to sleep, but...
A) the MTA shouldn't be caregivers for NYC's homeless population
B) if the homeless are going to sleep in the subway cars and train stations, shouldn't the trains and stations be properly cleaned to reduce viral spread?
C) why is the richest f*cking country in the world allowing human beings to slowly rot on the streets of NYC?
D) who cares that the subway hasn't been shut down since before the time of Christ?  Get over it. I don't know if you've heard, but there's a pandemic out there.
Between this, my Trump-humping patients that questioned why I required masks in my office, and the protests in Clearwater, I've had about enough of today.
 
2020-05-11 7:55:43 PM  

bluewave69: core issue is that they cant afford to live in that city and that there is no way you are going to get them a place to stay on the island , find them a place to stay somewhere and a way to get back on their feet.


New Jersey it is!
 
2020-05-11 7:55:45 PM  

rightClick: and?


If NYC fails, some of those simply awful New Yorkers will be moving to your town.
 
2020-05-11 7:55:51 PM  
Because keeping the subways running was the only thing keeping the CHUDs at bay?
 
2020-05-11 8:06:24 PM  

bluewave69: core issue is that they cant afford to live in that city and that there is no way you are going to get them a place to stay on the island , find them a place to stay somewhere and a way to get back on their feet.


One of the most fascinating things about NYC to me - how many poor neighborhoods there are there, even on Manhattan.  I'd always been fed this line that Manhattan was all incredibly wealthy and nobody poor could afford to live there.  Apparently the only part of Manhattan that counts as Manhattan is south of Harlem.

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First time visiting was an eye-opener.  Huge swaths of that place are SE DC poor.  People in the DMV speak of PG county like it's the heart of Baltimore City, and most of Brooklyn makes PG look like Potomac or Ashburn.  People talk about "the city" like it's some kind of wonderland, and it... doesn't live up to it.

/the perfect city would be NY's architecture, Chicago's food, San Diego's weather, the DMVs standard of living, and Miami's beaches
 
2020-05-11 8:16:42 PM  

bluewave69: core issue is that they cant afford to live in that city and that there is no way you are going to get them a place to stay on the island , find them a place to stay somewhere and a way to get back on their feet.


No one can afford to live in NY, NY. That is a core city issue. Same with the Bay Area in NorCal.
 
2020-05-11 8:17:54 PM  

Thunderboy: rightClick: and?

If NYC fails, some of those simply awful New Yorkers will be moving to your town.


Bullsh*t. We're heavily armed and have plenty of forests and farmland.
 
2020-05-11 8:21:06 PM  

gunsmack: Thunderboy: rightClick: and?

If NYC fails, some of those simply awful New Yorkers will be moving to your town.

Bullsh*t. We're heavily armed and have plenty of forests and farmland.


I'd comment on your desire to murder fellow Americans for moving to your town, but I'd sure hate to be branded as "uncivil" by suggesting you're a goddamn idiot.
 
2020-05-11 8:21:38 PM  
 New York, New York! I want to wake up in a city that never sleeps, except between 1am and 5 am..
 
2020-05-11 8:31:26 PM  

baron von doodle: SwiftFox: Bum advocate?

The homeless have borne the brunt of the shutdown. Typically, some 2,000 homeless people rely on trains as a warm place to pass the night.

Bum advocate.

I'll counter with this. If the homeless, "bums" to you, had adequate shelter.... Well, they wouldn't be on the subway. Instead of punishment, try to address the core issue.

Or, you know, biatch about "bums" stinking up the place.


So advocate for them getting adequate shelter, not sleeping on public transit.
 
2020-05-11 8:31:28 PM  
Do it! Do it now!
 
2020-05-11 8:34:35 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: This is obviously a complicated issue, but that article was a tad dramatic. I understand that the homeless use the subway as a warm place to sleep, but...
A) the MTA shouldn't be caregivers for NYC's homeless population
B) if the homeless are going to sleep in the subway cars and train stations, shouldn't the trains and stations be properly cleaned to reduce viral spread?
C) why is the richest f*cking country in the world allowing human beings to slowly rot on the streets of NYC?
D) who cares that the subway hasn't been shut down since before the time of Christ?  Get over it. I don't know if you've heard, but there's a pandemic out there.
Between this, my Trump-humping patients that questioned why I required masks in my office, and the protests in Clearwater, I've had about enough of today.


Again, it boils down to, "why are the homeless doing this?". It's because they have no choice.
 
2020-05-11 8:35:57 PM  

skinink: New York, New York! I want to wake up in a city that never sleeps, except between 1am and 5 am..


Honestly, the city started sleeping after 9/11. There were a lot more stores that had at least one location open 24/7. I lived in Chelsea back then. The Staples and Barnes & Noble in Union Square were 24/7. My laundromat was 24/7. Maybe the Virgin Megastore, or at least it was open very late. All cut down their hours to midnight or earlier shortly after 9/11. Time was, if you wanted a farking book at 3AM, you could get a farking book at 3AM. That's New York! Now you'd have better luck at a Walmart somewhere in the midwest.

Obviously we're going to be facing another economic crisis like that again, so this isn't the time to reclaim all that glory. But as a person who regularly works past 1AM when I have a job, they better restore subway service as soon as it's feasible.
 
2020-05-11 8:40:42 PM  

vgss: The fark you doing out at 3am? Go home and be a family man.


can't.The trains aren't running, asshole.
 
2020-05-11 8:43:02 PM  

Izunbacol: bluewave69: core issue is that they cant afford to live in that city and that there is no way you are going to get them a place to stay on the island , find them a place to stay somewhere and a way to get back on their feet.

One of the most fascinating things about NYC to me - how many poor neighborhoods there are there, even on Manhattan.  I'd always been fed this line that Manhattan was all incredibly wealthy and nobody poor could afford to live there.  Apparently the only part of Manhattan that counts as Manhattan is south of Harlem.

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First time visiting was an eye-opener.  Huge swaths of that place are SE DC poor.  People in the DMV speak of PG county like it's the heart of Baltimore City, and most of Brooklyn makes PG look like Potomac or Ashburn.  People talk about "the city" like it's some kind of wonderland, and it... doesn't live up to it.

/the perfect city would be NY's architecture, Chicago's food, San Diego's weather, the DMVs standard of living, and Miami's beaches


The only parts of any place that counts are the rich parts. Unless you're talking about how horrible a place is. Get your capitalism straight.
 
2020-05-11 8:45:27 PM  

Izunbacol: bluewave69: core issue is that they cant afford to live in that city and that there is no way you are going to get them a place to stay on the island , find them a place to stay somewhere and a way to get back on their feet.

One of the most fascinating things about NYC to me - how many poor neighborhoods there are there, even on Manhattan.  I'd always been fed this line that Manhattan was all incredibly wealthy and nobody poor could afford to live there.  Apparently the only part of Manhattan that counts as Manhattan is south of Harlem.

[Fark user image image 665x583]

First time visiting was an eye-opener.  Huge swaths of that place are SE DC poor.  People in the DMV speak of PG county like it's the heart of Baltimore City, and most of Brooklyn makes PG look like Potomac or Ashburn.  People talk about "the city" like it's some kind of wonderland, and it... doesn't live up to it.

/the perfect city would be NY's architecture, Chicago's food, San Diego's weather, the DMVs standard of living, and Miami's beaches


NY, NY is a terrible place. You have roughly 5 sets of people. 1 (wealthy). Penthouse/ GFY apartment owners. No one on this board can even remotely expect to get to that level. 2 (rich). Mid level/ floor apartments. A Fark user could get in on a lower floor if they won the lottery. 3 lower middle class. Floors 2 through 6ish. Likely owns a ground floor minor business or acts as service to #1. 4 lives in basements of previous buildings or a closet somewhere. These people make NY function but are paid crap. 5. Homeless/ uncertain housing. No one gives a shiat about these people are, for the most part.
 
2020-05-11 8:46:16 PM  

El_Dan: baron von doodle: SwiftFox: Bum advocate?

The homeless have borne the brunt of the shutdown. Typically, some 2,000 homeless people rely on trains as a warm place to pass the night.

Bum advocate.

I'll counter with this. If the homeless, "bums" to you, had adequate shelter.... Well, they wouldn't be on the subway. Instead of punishment, try to address the core issue.

Or, you know, biatch about "bums" stinking up the place.

So advocate for them getting adequate shelter, not sleeping on public transit.


That was my point.
 
2020-05-11 8:46:45 PM  
Try to keep up.
 
2020-05-11 8:56:35 PM  

gunsmack: Thunderboy: rightClick: and?

If NYC fails, some of those simply awful New Yorkers will be moving to your town.

Bullsh*t. We're heavily armed and have plenty of forests and farmland.


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2020-05-11 9:04:59 PM  

SwiftFox: Bum advocate?

The homeless have borne the brunt of the shutdown. Typically, some 2,000 homeless people rely on trains as a warm place to pass the night.

Bum advocate.


Squeaky bum time.
 
2020-05-11 9:25:58 PM  

Thunderboy: If NYC fails, some of those simply awful New Yorkers will be moving to your town.


If New Yorkers... from the drugged-out homeless, to the hipster Brooklynite, to the UES townhome retiree, any of them, wanted to move to Yankton, SD, they'd have moved to Yankton already.

On the flip, I've had job opportunities in Manhattan, Westwood LA, and San Francisco.  I didn't take any of them because, even with the jobs offered, I couldn't afford to live in those places.  So my sympathies for people who don't have a job or skill who want support to be housed in the most expensive places in the country because that's where the voices in their heads say they should live... are somewhat limited.
 
2020-05-11 9:59:04 PM  

TheSubjunctive: Thunderboy: If NYC fails, some of those simply awful New Yorkers will be moving to your town.

If New Yorkers... from the drugged-out homeless, to the hipster Brooklynite, to the UES townhome retiree, any of them, wanted to move to Yankton, SD, they'd have moved to Yankton already.

On the flip, I've had job opportunities in Manhattan, Westwood LA, and San Francisco.  I didn't take any of them because, even with the jobs offered, I couldn't afford to live in those places.  So my sympathies for people who don't have a job or skill who want support to be housed in the most expensive places in the country because that's where the voices in their heads say they should live... are somewhat limited.


Huh. Go fork yourself.

I got mine, I don't understand why people don't go to where the money is. Moving costs money, ass.
 
2020-05-11 10:11:44 PM  

Thunderboy: rightClick: and?

If NYC fails, some of those simply awful New Yorkers will be moving to your town.


Good. Then they'll see what their ilk have wrought.
 
rka
2020-05-11 10:37:14 PM  

Thunderboy: rightClick: and?

If NYC fails, some of those simply awful New Yorkers will be moving to your town.


Will they still be constantly telling everyone within earshot how NYC is the best city in the world?
 
2020-05-11 10:38:47 PM  

baron von doodle: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: This is obviously a complicated issue, but that article was a tad dramatic. I understand that the homeless use the subway as a warm place to sleep, but...
A) the MTA shouldn't be caregivers for NYC's homeless population
B) if the homeless are going to sleep in the subway cars and train stations, shouldn't the trains and stations be properly cleaned to reduce viral spread?
C) why is the richest f*cking country in the world allowing human beings to slowly rot on the streets of NYC?
D) who cares that the subway hasn't been shut down since before the time of Christ?  Get over it. I don't know if you've heard, but there's a pandemic out there.
Between this, my Trump-humping patients that questioned why I required masks in my office, and the protests in Clearwater, I've had about enough of today.

Again, it boils down to, "why are the homeless doing this?". It's because they have no choice.


There are always choices.
 
2020-05-11 11:07:54 PM  
Bloody hell, the USA is a third world country. If the fact that subway trains stopping for 4 hours a night has health authorities worrying that vulnerable people will freeze to death doesn't make you sit up and say, "WTF?", then what will?

Why the hell is the MTA being the proxy shelter for these people?

Why is this accepted?

Some of the richest people in the world live in Manhattan, yet this happens on the streets?
 
2020-05-11 11:13:00 PM  

baron von doodle: TheSubjunctive: Thunderboy: If NYC fails, some of those simply awful New Yorkers will be moving to your town.

If New Yorkers... from the drugged-out homeless, to the hipster Brooklynite, to the UES townhome retiree, any of them, wanted to move to Yankton, SD, they'd have moved to Yankton already.

On the flip, I've had job opportunities in Manhattan, Westwood LA, and San Francisco.  I didn't take any of them because, even with the jobs offered, I couldn't afford to live in those places.  So my sympathies for people who don't have a job or skill who want support to be housed in the most expensive places in the country because that's where the voices in their heads say they should live... are somewhat limited.

Huh. Go fork yourself.

I got mine, I don't understand why people don't go to where the money is. Moving costs money, ass.


Some people can't afford to move to NYC.  Many people can't afford to move out of NYC.
 
2020-05-12 12:08:21 AM  

rka: Thunderboy: rightClick: and?

If NYC fails, some of those simply awful New Yorkers will be moving to your town.

Will they still be constantly telling everyone within earshot how NYC is the best city in the world?


As compared to every bucktoothed flag-humper screaming "USA is #1" and has never travelled more than six miles from his outhouse.
 
2020-05-12 12:11:38 AM  

gunsmack: Thunderboy: rightClick: and?

If NYC fails, some of those simply awful New Yorkers will be moving to your town.

Bullsh*t. We're heavily armed and have plenty of forests and farmland.



Who says gun owners aren't sane, rational people?
 
2020-05-12 2:06:32 AM  
TFA: "in 1904, the stop at 145th Street was its terminus." With helpful picture of 57th St. Station that didn't open until 1968.
 
2020-05-12 2:09:45 AM  
I'm waiting for someone who sleeps in the subway to jump in here defending that he's jobless. It's warm, they'll be back.  Hope everyone here is warm next winter.
 
2020-05-12 10:09:20 AM  

baron von doodle: Izunbacol: bluewave69: core issue is that they cant afford to live in that city and that there is no way you are going to get them a place to stay on the island , find them a place to stay somewhere and a way to get back on their feet.

One of the most fascinating things about NYC to me - how many poor neighborhoods there are there, even on Manhattan.  I'd always been fed this line that Manhattan was all incredibly wealthy and nobody poor could afford to live there.  Apparently the only part of Manhattan that counts as Manhattan is south of Harlem.

[Fark user image image 665x583]

First time visiting was an eye-opener.  Huge swaths of that place are SE DC poor.  People in the DMV speak of PG county like it's the heart of Baltimore City, and most of Brooklyn makes PG look like Potomac or Ashburn.  People talk about "the city" like it's some kind of wonderland, and it... doesn't live up to it.

/the perfect city would be NY's architecture, Chicago's food, San Diego's weather, the DMVs standard of living, and Miami's beaches

NY, NY is a terrible place. You have roughly 5 sets of people. 1 (wealthy). Penthouse/ GFY apartment owners. No one on this board can even remotely expect to get to that level. 2 (rich). Mid level/ floor apartments. A Fark user could get in on a lower floor if they won the lottery. 3 lower middle class. Floors 2 through 6ish. Likely owns a ground floor minor business or acts as service to #1. 4 lives in basements of previous buildings or a closet somewhere. These people make NY function but are paid crap. 5. Homeless/ uncertain housing. No one gives a shiat about these people are, for the most part.


Does this apply to all of NYC or just Manhattan?
 
2020-05-12 11:10:09 AM  

ansius: Bloody hell, the USA is a third world country. If the fact that subway trains stopping for 4 hours a night has health authorities worrying that vulnerable people will freeze to death doesn't make you sit up and say, "WTF?", then what will?

Why the hell is the MTA being the proxy shelter for these people?

Why is this accepted?

Some of the richest people in the world live in Manhattan, yet this happens on the streets?


The ACLU wanted it this way, and a court ordered it so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_P​a​tricia_Brown
 
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