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2020-05-11 9:02:56 AM  
At some very near point every family will be personally effected.  One of their loved ones will die, at this point the GOP might start to care.
 
2020-05-11 9:41:43 AM  
That's good because the daily deaths have been dropping for about 3 weeks now and only went above 3,000 twice. (3 times if you include when NY dumped a whole bunch of false covid deaths into the pool)
 
2020-05-11 9:44:28 AM  
We are all going to die at some point, we don't know when, how or why.  It's inevitable.  All we can do is personally manage our daily risks.  Its time for face masks, gloves and social distancing.  If you chose not to you are accepting the risks to yourself and others (not very wise, but still your choice).
 
2020-05-11 9:46:00 AM  

EvilEgg: At some very near point every family will be personally effected.  One of their loved ones will die, at this point the GOP might start to care.


too late. The president made it his personal mission to make sure his people treat it like a joke. It's not about death anymore, it's about stiggin' it and using it to make Trump look bad, which is just not acceptable to them. Trump referred to the deaths as 'the numbers are looking good'. Anything negative you heard about me is a hoax. The China Virus. I don't take responsibility, at all. "LIBERATE MINNESOTA!". "LIBERATE MICHIGAN!". "LIBERATE VIRGINIA! and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!"

No, but sorry. These mf'ers are getting exactly what they asked for. When their grandma dies, it's going to be the Democrat's fault, or China's fault - not Trump's. And they will direct their anger accordingly.
 
2020-05-11 9:49:17 AM  
Hey, we need to contain this virus, countries that are virtual islands with frightening government controls can do this. Sure, they don't have massive borders and travel with literally every country on the planet, plus huge amounts of bio diversity, plus lack of SARS immunity, but I'm sure that's an intelligent comparison.

We must shut everyone down so all services fail, every system falls apart and we start eating each other.
The other alternative is to accept that we can't stop an airborne virus that lives outside the body for 3 weeks or more with an incredibly porous border. I mean it's not like 95% of the people will never know they have it, and the ones that die have comorbidities that make any infection dangerous.
 
2020-05-11 9:49:46 AM  
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I had to get off Facebook last week because the current argument against lockdowns in Michigan are that only 4,300 people have died and that's only 0.04% of the state and that's hardly enough lives to care about.

Michigan's been on lockdown for seven weeks.  Detroit peaked two weeks ago.  Grand Rapids is still going up.  There have probably been 12,000 lives saved already because hospitals in SE Michigan weren't overwhelmed.
 
2020-05-11 9:49:48 AM  

MugzyBrown: when NY dumped a whole bunch of false covid deaths into the pool)


I'm guessing Walmart had a sale on tinfoil this weekend?
 
2020-05-11 9:50:11 AM  

Hey Nurse!: too late. The president made it his personal mission to make sure his people treat it like a joke. It's not about death anymore, it's about stiggin' it and using it to make Trump look bad, which is just not acceptable to them. Trump referred to the deaths as 'the numbers are looking good'. Anything negative you heard about me is a hoax. The China Virus. I don't take responsibility, at all. "LIBERATE MINNESOTA!". "LIBERATE MICHIGAN!". "LIBERATE VIRGINIA! and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!"

No, but sorry. These mf'ers are getting exactly what they asked for. When their grandma dies, it's going to be the Democrat's fault, or China's fault - not Trump's. And they will direct their anger accordingly.


Those in the sparely populated areas really don't need a lockdown, they just need to take preventative measures... and the longer they are locked down by Democratic Governors the more they are going to vote for Trump in the fall.  And that is my current conspiracy theory.. Trump is doing everything in his power to make Democratic Governors look like Dictators.. as a deflection, to ensure his win at the polls.
 
2020-05-11 9:50:19 AM  
Apparently, it is an option that's very acceptable.
 
2020-05-11 9:51:06 AM  

dwrash: We are all going to die at some point, we don't know when, how or why.  It's inevitable.  All we can do is personally manage our daily risks.  Its time for face masks, gloves and social distancing.  If you chose not to you are accepting the risks to yourself and others (not very wise, but still your choice).


Yeah but the thing is that one person's bad decision ultimately affects other people besides that person.

Same with driving drunk.
 
2020-05-11 9:52:18 AM  

dwrash: Hey Nurse!: too late. The president made it his personal mission to make sure his people treat it like a joke. It's not about death anymore, it's about stiggin' it and using it to make Trump look bad, which is just not acceptable to them. Trump referred to the deaths as 'the numbers are looking good'. Anything negative you heard about me is a hoax. The China Virus. I don't take responsibility, at all. "LIBERATE MINNESOTA!". "LIBERATE MICHIGAN!". "LIBERATE VIRGINIA! and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!"

No, but sorry. These mf'ers are getting exactly what they asked for. When their grandma dies, it's going to be the Democrat's fault, or China's fault - not Trump's. And they will direct their anger accordingly.

Those in the sparely populated areas really don't need a lockdown, they just need to take preventative measures... and the longer they are locked down by Democratic Governors the more they are going to vote for Trump in the fall.  And that is my current conspiracy theory.. Trump is doing everything in his power to make Democratic Governors look like Dictators.. as a deflection, to ensure his win at the polls.


Yep, that's why those Democrat governors are polling poorly compared to Trump.

Oh wait...
 
2020-05-11 9:52:34 AM  
It must have been hard for thr author to write this under a rock.
 
2020-05-11 9:53:32 AM  
As someone more eloquently put it, this was inevitable the moment society allowed nothing to change after Sandy Hook.
 
2020-05-11 9:54:04 AM  

dwrash: Hey Nurse!: too late. The president made it his personal mission to make sure his people treat it like a joke. It's not about death anymore, it's about stiggin' it and using it to make Trump look bad, which is just not acceptable to them. Trump referred to the deaths as 'the numbers are looking good'. Anything negative you heard about me is a hoax. The China Virus. I don't take responsibility, at all. "LIBERATE MINNESOTA!". "LIBERATE MICHIGAN!". "LIBERATE VIRGINIA! and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!"

No, but sorry. These mf'ers are getting exactly what they asked for. When their grandma dies, it's going to be the Democrat's fault, or China's fault - not Trump's. And they will direct their anger accordingly.

Those in the sparely populated areas really don't need a lockdown, they just need to take preventative measures... and the longer they are locked down by Democratic Governors the more they are going to vote for Trump in the fall.  And that is my current conspiracy theory.. Trump is doing everything in his power to make Democratic Governors look like Dictators.. as a deflection, to ensure his win at the polls.


And he's doing it by risking the lives of all the Americans in those states.  It's horrific to think that an elected official could justify in his own mind that thousands dying per day is good for himself, but here we are

He was supposedly livid this weekend because two people in the White House tested positive.  And that's with testing everyone every day (sometimes multiple times per day).  Imagine how we feel out here in the real world without adequate testing
 
2020-05-11 9:55:04 AM  
ChuckRoddy:The other alternative is to accept that we can't stop an airborne virus that lives outside the body for 3 weeks or more with an incredibly porous border.

Scale back the hyperbole, dude.  The virus doesn't linger on surfaces for weeks, and it's not very transmissible airborne.  It is controllable, and countries have controlled it.
 
2020-05-11 9:56:19 AM  

Mrtraveler01: MugzyBrown: when NY dumped a whole bunch of false covid deaths into the pool)

I'm guessing Walmart had a sale on tinfoil this weekend?


To be fair, reporting on the positive and negative has been suspect as f*ck and most media outlets are being a little lose with the facts as long as it brings those clicks.
 
2020-05-11 9:57:22 AM  

MugzyBrown: That's good because the daily deaths have been dropping for about 3 weeks now and only went above 3,000 twice. (3 times if you include when NY dumped a whole bunch of false covid deaths into the pool)


They're going to get a lot higher if we re-open everything though, which is what the article is about.
 
2020-05-11 9:58:15 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Yep, that's why those Democrat governors are polling poorly compared to Trump.

Oh wait...


Just wait, the bankruptcies and suicides haven't started yet.
 
2020-05-11 9:58:28 AM  

MugzyBrown: That's good because the daily deaths have been dropping for about 3 weeks now and only went above 3,000 twice. (3 times if you include when NY dumped a whole bunch of false covid deaths into the pool)


Yes, I'm sure none of the above average deaths are related to COVID-19 unless they specifically tested for it, amiright? I mean, tying up hospital beds and people dying of strokes and such, no way can that be hung on COVID-19, so we need to stop blaming poor COVID-19 for all those deaths.

The reality is that COVID-19 can kill people in a lot of ways. Silent hypoxia, clotting, organ failure. We don't even have adequate testing and I suspect that at some point in the future, when we finally have the tools, we'll go back and forensically test and find a LOT more people died from COVID-19 than we ever realized.

In fact, I'd say just counting "above average" deaths isn't enough, because other causes for other deaths are down because of the lockdowns.

At any rate, some deaths can be attributed to COVID-19 as "Secondary caused" - people couldn't be saved because resources were tied up.

"False covid deaths" is a stupid narrative, and irrelevant to even discuss at this point.
 
2020-05-11 9:58:29 AM  

MugzyBrown: That's good because the daily deaths have been dropping for about 3 weeks now and only went above 3,000 twice. (3 times if you include when NY dumped a whole bunch of false covid deaths into the pool)


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Hopkins data.  I'm not sure we ever got to 3,000 a day, but we've spent some very reasonable time over 2K.  Or as I like to call it, "one 911/day and a half".  We MIGHT be dropping now, and I hope we;re on the downhill side of this catastrophe, but I really think we could get used to 3K.  (hopkins data, can be found at https://covid19.nguy.dev/)
 
2020-05-11 9:58:55 AM  
Had we spent all this time testing people and contact tracing we might have enough info to manage a reopening safely. In the absence, a 9/11 death toll per day is inevitable. The states might still manage to test and trace, but the federal government is actively sabotaging such efforts.
 
2020-05-11 10:00:28 AM  

ignacio: MugzyBrown: That's good because the daily deaths have been dropping for about 3 weeks now and only went above 3,000 twice. (3 times if you include when NY dumped a whole bunch of false covid deaths into the pool)

They're going to get a lot higher if we re-open everything though, which is what the article is about.


Densely populated areas should still be closed, openings should be on a community by community basis, not state or county basis.   The only cases we have had where I live are in a nursing home and the staff that brought in the disease commute in.

The re-openings need to be a lot more granular than they are, and dynamic based on infection levels.
 
2020-05-11 10:00:29 AM  

fireclown: MugzyBrown: That's good because the daily deaths have been dropping for about 3 weeks now and only went above 3,000 twice. (3 times if you include when NY dumped a whole bunch of false covid deaths into the pool)

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Hopkins data.  I'm not sure we ever got to 3,000 a day, but we've spent some very reasonable time over 2K.  Or as I like to call it, "one 911/day and a half".  We MIGHT be dropping now, and I hope we;re on the downhill side of this catastrophe, but I really think we could get used to 3K.  (hopkins data, can be found at https://covid19.nguy.dev/)


If you factor out New York, deaths are still in the rise.
 
2020-05-11 10:00:46 AM  

dwrash: Hey Nurse!: too late. The president made it his personal mission to make sure his people treat it like a joke. It's not about death anymore, it's about stiggin' it and using it to make Trump look bad, which is just not acceptable to them. Trump referred to the deaths as 'the numbers are looking good'. Anything negative you heard about me is a hoax. The China Virus. I don't take responsibility, at all. "LIBERATE MINNESOTA!". "LIBERATE MICHIGAN!". "LIBERATE VIRGINIA! and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!"

No, but sorry. These mf'ers are getting exactly what they asked for. When their grandma dies, it's going to be the Democrat's fault, or China's fault - not Trump's. And they will direct their anger accordingly.

Those in the sparely populated areas really don't need a lockdown, they just need to take preventative measures... and the longer they are locked down by Democratic Governors the more they are going to vote for Trump in the fall.  And that is my current conspiracy theory.. Trump is doing everything in his power to make Democratic Governors look like Dictators.. as a deflection, to ensure his win at the polls.


I said that when he first put it in the hands of the governors - it's a no-lose situation. If deaths go down, he takes credit for handling it right. If deaths go up, it's because the governors didn't do their jobs. It was almost in the same breath that he said 'governors, it's up to you' and 'I can't believe your governors are taking away your rights'. That man is an idiot in most things, but he does know how to play a crowd. A stupid crowd, but a crowd that is allowed to vote.
 
2020-05-11 10:03:02 AM  

LindenFark: fireclown: MugzyBrown: That's good because the daily deaths have been dropping for about 3 weeks now and only went above 3,000 twice. (3 times if you include when NY dumped a whole bunch of false covid deaths into the pool)

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Hopkins data.  I'm not sure we ever got to 3,000 a day, but we've spent some very reasonable time over 2K.  Or as I like to call it, "one 911/day and a half".  We MIGHT be dropping now, and I hope we;re on the downhill side of this catastrophe, but I really think we could get used to 3K.  (hopkins data, can be found at https://covid19.nguy.dev/)

If you factor out New York, deaths are still in the rise.


I offer no insights other than what I posted.  The covid tracking page that I linked to could be used to show other outbreaks, if one were so inclined.  One could watch various states in the next 14-21 days
 
2020-05-11 10:03:36 AM  
The worst-case scenario with coronavirus is not mass death. It's that people come to accept mass death-to accept that someone will die in the U.S. every 30 seconds as "just how it is." Yet that is the proposition being thrust on us now.

Meh. Someone dies every six seconds in the US in normal conditions and that doesn't bring you to your knees.
 
2020-05-11 10:04:07 AM  
2,813,503 total deaths in the US in 2017.
2,839,205 total deaths in the US in 2018.
We should no true answer to this pandemic when we count total deaths for 2020.
 
2020-05-11 10:04:07 AM  
America accepts mass shootings now so mass deaths from disease or tainted meat or bad drugs isn't really a big stretch.
 
2020-05-11 10:04:50 AM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Mrtraveler01: MugzyBrown: when NY dumped a whole bunch of false covid deaths into the pool)

I'm guessing Walmart had a sale on tinfoil this weekend?

To be fair, reporting on the positive and negative has been suspect as f*ck and most media outlets are being a little lose with the facts as long as it brings those clicks.


Let's not blame the media too much. I frequently get updates. Right this minute, you can go to 10 websites and get 10 different sets of numbers. Some say 81,000 deaths, some day 47,000 deaths. Some say deaths going up, some say down. The blame is central. The Federal Government has an arm called the CDC - and they aren't allowed to report something that makes this administration look bad. The heads of departments have been replaced with people that will do what they're told. We could have centralized reporting and everyone would have the same information - but right now you can go to CNN or Fox and get two completely different takes on what's happening - and, according to where they get their information, they're right. And that chaos is on purpose. He can't be blamed if you can't prove it.
 
2020-05-11 10:06:24 AM  

ChuckRoddy: Hey, we need to contain this virus, countries that are virtual islands with frightening government controls can do this. Sure, they don't have massive borders and travel with literally every country on the planet, plus huge amounts of bio diversity, plus lack of SARS immunity, but I'm sure that's an intelligent comparison.

We must shut everyone down so all services fail, every system falls apart and we start eating each other.
The other alternative is to accept that we can't stop an airborne virus that lives outside the body for 3 weeks or more with an incredibly porous border. I mean it's not like 95% of the people will never know they have it, and the ones that die have comorbidities that make any infection dangerous.


Hmm, I see what you are saying.  Preventing mass death is hard, and our government is incapable of doing anything complex or difficult, and our people are too entitled and hedonistic to follow government guidelines anyway, so we shouldn't bother to try as failing will make us look weak.  Plus it's only "others" who will die anyway, and who who cares about them?

Far better to just pull imaginary stats out of the air, brand systemic failure as a massive success, and maybe sell some Freedom Graves in the process.
 
2020-05-11 10:07:43 AM  

orbister: The worst-case scenario with coronavirus is not mass death. It's that people come to accept mass death-to accept that someone will die in the U.S. every 30 seconds as "just how it is." Yet that is the proposition being thrust on us now.

Meh. Someone dies every six seconds in the US in normal conditions and that doesn't bring you to your knees.


You probably crapped your pants for years over the death of three people at BENGHAZZZi!
 
2020-05-11 10:07:44 AM  
dwrash

Densely populated areas should still be closed, openings should be on a community by community basis, not state or county basis. The only cases we have had where I live are in a nursing home and the staff that brought in the disease commute in.

The re-openings need to be a lot more granular than they are, and dynamic based on infection levels.


This is something that needs to be looked at. I live semi rural, much different of a situation than inner city or perpetual suburbia.
 
2020-05-11 10:07:52 AM  

Ambitwistor: and it's not very transmissible airborne.


A fan from AC spread it to four families in a restaurant across a room.
 
2020-05-11 10:08:31 AM  

dwrash: Those in the sparely populated areas really don't need a lockdown, they just need to take preventative measures..


1) A "lockdown" is a preventative measures.
2) They won't take preventative measures because of "MUH FREEDUMS!" and "STIGGINIT!"
 
2020-05-11 10:09:04 AM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: dwrash

Densely populated areas should still be closed, openings should be on a community by community basis, not state or county basis. The only cases we have had where I live are in a nursing home and the staff that brought in the disease commute in.

The re-openings need to be a lot more granular than they are, and dynamic based on infection levels.

This is something that needs to be looked at. I live semi rural, much different of a situation than inner city or perpetual suburbia.


PA is doing it by region and people are still biatching about it.
 
2020-05-11 10:09:08 AM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: dwrash

Densely populated areas should still be closed, openings should be on a community by community basis, not state or county basis. The only cases we have had where I live are in a nursing home and the staff that brought in the disease commute in.

The re-openings need to be a lot more granular than they are, and dynamic based on infection levels.

This is something that needs to be looked at. I live semi rural, much different of a situation than inner city or perpetual suburbia.


PA is doing it county by county, which I figure is about right.
 
2020-05-11 10:09:49 AM  

give me doughnuts: dwrash: Those in the sparely populated areas really don't need a lockdown, they just need to take preventative measures..

1) A "lockdown" is a preventative measures.
2) They won't take preventative measures because of "MUH FREEDUMS!" and "STIGGINIT!"


Its more punitive then preventative in some areas.
 
2020-05-11 10:10:45 AM  

fireclown: PA is doing it county by county, which I figure is about right.


I live in MontCo PA.. the northern part of the county is being screwed over royally by that approach.
 
2020-05-11 10:15:06 AM  

dwrash: fireclown: PA is doing it county by county, which I figure is about right.

I live in MontCo PA.. the northern part of the county is being screwed over royally by that approach.


Because the southern part touches Philly.

Do you really want people from Philly streaming up to your small town because its open?

That's why Montgomery County is lumped in with the rest of the Philly Metro.
 
2020-05-11 10:20:31 AM  

LindenFark: fireclown: MugzyBrown: That's good because the daily deaths have been dropping for about 3 weeks now and only went above 3,000 twice. (3 times if you include when NY dumped a whole bunch of false covid deaths into the pool)

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Hopkins data.  I'm not sure we ever got to 3,000 a day, but we've spent some very reasonable time over 2K.  Or as I like to call it, "one 911/day and a half".  We MIGHT be dropping now, and I hope we;re on the downhill side of this catastrophe, but I really think we could get used to 3K.  (hopkins data, can be found at https://covid19.nguy.dev/)

If you factor out New York, deaths are still in the rise.


My county in Florida and neighboring they closed drive up testing because no one was showing up for it last week. My county also has been adding less than 10 a day (I think we are at about 1-3 a day) with a total of 10 deaths last I checked in total. What's crazy is when you view the Hotspot map my city is almost devoid of cases vs the city next door. It's full of NYC transplants so that probably explains a lot.

Yet South Florida got messed up.

It isn't uniform how it it impacts a community and freezing travel was probably the most affective thing we did.
 
2020-05-11 10:21:25 AM  

ignacio: They're going to get a lot higher if we re-open everything though, which is what the article is about.


no it's not.

Mrtraveler01: Because the southern part touches Philly.

Do you really want people from Philly streaming up to your small town because its open?

That's why Montgomery County is lumped in with the rest of the Philly Metro.


Philly has fewer than 900 deaths and a huge percentage of those are from nursing homes. So yes, I want to open up MontCo and philly.
 
2020-05-11 10:22:02 AM  

Mrtraveler01: dwrash: fireclown: PA is doing it county by county, which I figure is about right.

I live in MontCo PA.. the northern part of the county is being screwed over royally by that approach.

Because the southern part touches Philly.

Do you really want people from Philly streaming up to your small town because its open?

That's why Montgomery County is lumped in with the rest of the Philly Metro.


Time to move further away I guess.  I WFH these days.  No reason to live here.
 
2020-05-11 10:23:02 AM  

Mrtraveler01: dwrash: We are all going to die at some point, we don't know when, how or why.  It's inevitable.  All we can do is personally manage our daily risks.  Its time for face masks, gloves and social distancing.  If you chose not to you are accepting the risks to yourself and others (not very wise, but still your choice).

Yeah but the thing is that one person's bad decision ultimately affects other people besides that person.

Same with driving drunk.


Yeah, or just shooting people. It's "still your choice" technically, but that doesn't mean it's always a legal or ethical choice.
 
2020-05-11 10:23:31 AM  

spongeboob: America accepts mass shootings


Since most attackers are doing it for attention it's probably a good thing because it won't register as much of a blip now.
 
2020-05-11 10:27:32 AM  

LindenFark: fireclown: MugzyBrown: That's good because the daily deaths have been dropping for about 3 weeks now and only went above 3,000 twice. (3 times if you include when NY dumped a whole bunch of false covid deaths into the pool)

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Hopkins data.  I'm not sure we ever got to 3,000 a day, but we've spent some very reasonable time over 2K.  Or as I like to call it, "one 911/day and a half".  We MIGHT be dropping now, and I hope we;re on the downhill side of this catastrophe, but I really think we could get used to 3K.  (hopkins data, can be found at https://covid19.nguy.dev/)

If you factor out New York, deaths are still in the rise.


So now people want to start factoring out New York's numbers, where 1/3 of all reported COVID deaths have occurred.
 
2020-05-11 10:29:00 AM  

Eightballjacket: LindenFark: fireclown: MugzyBrown: That's good because the daily deaths have been dropping for about 3 weeks now and only went above 3,000 twice. (3 times if you include when NY dumped a whole bunch of false covid deaths into the pool)

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Hopkins data.  I'm not sure we ever got to 3,000 a day, but we've spent some very reasonable time over 2K.  Or as I like to call it, "one 911/day and a half".  We MIGHT be dropping now, and I hope we;re on the downhill side of this catastrophe, but I really think we could get used to 3K.  (hopkins data, can be found at https://covid19.nguy.dev/)

If you factor out New York, deaths are still in the rise.

So now people want to start factoring out New York's numbers, where 1/3 of all reported COVID deaths have occurred.


I'm sure that sounded smart in your head.
 
2020-05-11 10:29:08 AM  

ChuckRoddy: Hey, we need to contain this virus, countries that are virtual islands with frightening government controls can do this. Sure, they don't have massive borders and travel with literally every country on the planet, plus huge amounts of bio diversity, plus lack of SARS immunity, but I'm sure that's an intelligent comparison.

We must shut everyone down so all services fail, every system falls apart and we start eating each other.
The other alternative is to accept that we can't stop an airborne virus that lives outside the body for 3 weeks or more with an incredibly porous border. I mean it's not like 95% of the people will never know they have it, and the ones that die have comorbidities that make any infection dangerous.


Your "massive borders" are shared with a mere two countries, both who are so far doing better than the US at dealing with this thing. And both Mexico and Canada - their primary infection source was the US.

What a pitiful excuse.
 
2020-05-11 10:29:27 AM  

Eightballjacket: So now people want to start factoring out New York's numbers, where 1/3 of all reported COVID deaths have occurred.


I would like to see population density factored in, because it seems to be the single most common factor where pockets of Covid-19 are appearing.

NYC was slammed due to its density, LA has 1/3 the density and way fewer cases.
 
2020-05-11 10:35:55 AM  

orbister: The worst-case scenario with coronavirus is not mass death. It's that people come to accept mass death-to accept that someone will die in the U.S. every 30 seconds as "just how it is." Yet that is the proposition being thrust on us now.

Meh. Someone dies every six seconds in the US in normal conditions and that doesn't bring you to your knees.


I'm guessing it takes something stronger for you, like Mike Pence.
 
2020-05-11 10:46:34 AM  

orbister: The worst-case scenario with coronavirus is not mass death. It's that people come to accept mass death-to accept that someone will die in the U.S. every 30 seconds as "just how it is." Yet that is the proposition being thrust on us now.

Meh. Someone dies every six seconds in the US in normal conditions and that doesn't bring you to your knees.


Those "normal conditions" are heart disease, car accidents, strokes, cancer, none of which are a highly contagious disease.  Those "normal conditions" don't overwhelm hospitals and make doctors/nurses/first responders get sick and die.  Those normal conditions don't cause bodies to stack up in refrigerated trucks or be buried in mass graves.

So yeah, they aren't really the same thing as the COVID pandemic
 
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