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2020-05-08 10:38:43 PM  
I would love to see Stephen King's Revival in film. 😱
 
2020-05-08 10:51:19 PM  
Doctor Sleep should have been about the redemption of Jack Torrance's spirit. Instead it was Nancy Drew, Psychic Detective.
 
2020-05-08 11:00:59 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: Doctor Sleep should have been about the redemption of Jack Torrance's spirit. Instead it was Nancy Drew, Psychic Detective.


You didn't read the novel, did you?

The movie is another story, adapted to film from the original novel, for the differences between the two mediums.
 
2020-05-08 11:14:08 PM  

AirForceVet: You didn't read the novel, did you?


The novel Doctor Sleep? Yes, I read it. I bought it the day it was released.

I'm not sure what your point is. The movie followed the novel pretty closely. It focused mainly on Abra and Dan was basically her sidekick who goes to rehab a lot..
 
2020-05-08 11:23:02 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: AirForceVet: You didn't read the novel, did you?

The novel Doctor Sleep? Yes, I read it. I bought it the day it was released.

I'm not sure what your point is. The movie followed the novel pretty closely. It focused mainly on Abra and Dan was basically her sidekick who goes to rehab a lot..


[SPOILERS]

Jack's spirit appears during the climax of the novel to apparently assist his son.

In the film, not so much as the Overlook's bartender.

Like I said, you seemed to have missed the novel's points.
 
2020-05-08 11:39:20 PM  

AirForceVet: thatguyoverthere70: AirForceVet: You didn't read the novel, did you?

The novel Doctor Sleep? Yes, I read it. I bought it the day it was released.

I'm not sure what your point is. The movie followed the novel pretty closely. It focused mainly on Abra and Dan was basically her sidekick who goes to rehab a lot..

[SPOILERS]

Jack's spirit appears during the climax of the novel to apparently assist his son.

In the film, not so much as the Overlook's bartender.

Like I said, you seemed to have missed the novel's points.


"Apparently" and "not so much" indicates ambiguity, so certainly you can understand and forgive someone for "missing the point." In my opinion, a poor writer blames the reader. I think I got the point.

Doctor Sleep, both novel and movie, focused primarily upon Abra and these psychic vampires. Dan was a supporting character at best, and the ghosts from the Overlook are an even smaller part of the overall story. Jack Torrance is little more than a glorified cameo. It felt to me like someone had to convince Stephen King to add the bathtub ghost scene at the beginning just because there was so little real connection with the story told in The Shining. It was uninspired writing that felt obligatory. It truly felt like King wanted to write a different story about Abra and vampires and just retrofitted some elements of The Shining here and there out of obligation, not that he truly felt there was more story to tell.

In my opinion a sequel to The Shining should have focused primarily on redeeming and freeing the ghost of Jack trapped in the Overlook's past. Instead, 70% of the book and movie is about Abra and the vampires tracking her, and Abra's sidekick Dan going to AA.
 
2020-05-08 11:58:37 PM  

AirForceVet: I would love to see Stephen King's Revival in film. 😱


Me too
 
2020-05-09 2:27:05 AM  
I thought Doctor Sleep was actually doing really well until they leaned way too hard on Shining in the last third.  So I'm semi-optimistic about this one
 
2020-05-09 7:06:44 AM  

Naido: I thought Doctor Sleep was actually doing really well until they leaned way too hard on Shining in the last third.  So I'm semi-optimistic about this one


Looks like you and Stephen King have something in common: you both seem to prefer your sequels to The Shining to have as little to do with The Shining as possible.

"Why are they going back to the Overlook? I'd rather Dan go to another AA meeting instead."
 
2020-05-09 7:15:43 AM  

thatguyoverthere70: AirForceVet: You didn't read the novel, did you?

The novel Doctor Sleep? Yes, I read it. I bought it the day it was released.

I'm not sure what your point is. The movie followed the novel pretty closely. It focused mainly on Abra and Dan was basically her sidekick who goes to rehab a lot..


I didn't read the novel but my problem with the film was that I never took the vampires seriously as a threat.  It was pretty clear they were outmatched pretty much throughout their interactions with Abra and Dan and the only time I felt any real tension was when they went to the Overlook.
 
2020-05-09 7:40:44 AM  

thatguyoverthere70: Naido: I thought Doctor Sleep was actually doing really well until they leaned way too hard on Shining in the last third.  So I'm semi-optimistic about this one

Looks like you and Stephen King have something in common: you both seem to prefer your sequels to The Shining to have as little to do with The Shining as possible.

"Why are they going back to the Overlook? I'd rather Dan go to another AA meeting instead."


Oh I loved that they went to the Overlook.  I hated that, in a building with hundreds of ghosts and stories, they replayed the same few incidents that we'd already seen.  "Hey, remember how scary this was the first time?  How about this one?"  Felt lazy and cheap to me
 
2020-05-09 7:58:25 AM  

Naido: thatguyoverthere70: Naido: I thought Doctor Sleep was actually doing really well until they leaned way too hard on Shining in the last third.  So I'm semi-optimistic about this one

Looks like you and Stephen King have something in common: you both seem to prefer your sequels to The Shining to have as little to do with The Shining as possible.

"Why are they going back to the Overlook? I'd rather Dan go to another AA meeting instead."

Oh I loved that they went to the Overlook.  I hated that, in a building with hundreds of ghosts and stories, they replayed the same few incidents that we'd already seen.  "Hey, remember how scary this was the first time?  How about this one?"  Felt lazy and cheap to me


That's part of the point I'm trying to make. All that was from the book, so all the blame for laziness and cheapness of The Shining references lies at Stephen King's feet. Why even bother writing a sequel to The Shining if Stephen King has no interest in any of the characters or situations from that story? Instead most of the movie is Abra and Dan trying to solve a murder that the audience has already seen. We watch a long murder scene, then we get to watch it again through Abra's vision, then we have to watch Abra and Dan try to solve the murder.

Ready Player One did more with The Shining in one short scene than Doctor Sleep did in the whole book/movie. King should have just written a book about Abra and the vampires, and saved himself, his readers, and those that wanted an actual decent sequel to The Shining their time.
 
2020-05-09 8:24:57 AM  

thatguyoverthere70: Naido: I thought Doctor Sleep was actually doing really well until they leaned way too hard on Shining in the last third.  So I'm semi-optimistic about this one

Looks like you and Stephen King have something in common: you both seem to prefer your sequels to The Shining to have as little to do with The Shining as possible.

"Why are they going back to the Overlook? I'd rather Dan go to another AA meeting instead."


What if his AA meeting was at the Overlook?
 
2020-05-09 8:26:59 AM  
Wouldn't The Stand be more appropriate right now?
 
2020-05-09 9:04:13 AM  
Doctor Sleep was great like anything else from Mike Flanagan. Too bad it bombed. Maybe they should have called it The Shining II because it was a continuation of the first movie and not a direct adaptation of the book.
The recreation of the first movie's set and characters was impressive. The mother nailed Shelly Duvall's performance and body language.

Side-By-Side comparison: The Shining vs Doctor Sleep
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2020-05-09 9:17:45 AM  
The guy who played Dick Halloran in Doctor Sleep was spot on.  I was super impressed.
 
2020-05-09 9:32:31 AM  
Aside from being completely captivated by Rebecca Ferguson, I really don't remember much from watching Doctor Sleep
 
2020-05-09 11:19:47 AM  

thatguyoverthere70: AirForceVet:

In my opinion a sequel to The Shining should have focused primarily on redeeming and freeing the ghost of Jack trapped in the Overlook's past.


Mmm, that's good horror.
 
2020-05-09 11:22:18 AM  
...and I attributed the wrong farker.
 
2020-05-09 1:51:08 PM  

punkwrestler: Wouldn't The Stand be more appropriate right now?


CBS All Access wrapped filming  the 10-part miniseries in March. They're sitting on it because they're concerned it would be on poor taste to release it during the pandemic.

Whoopi Goldberg is playing Mother Abigail. Alexander Skarsgard (Pennywise's brother) plays Flagg.
 
2020-05-09 1:59:30 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: Naido: I thought Doctor Sleep was actually doing really well until they leaned way too hard on Shining in the last third.  So I'm semi-optimistic about this one

Looks like you and Stephen King have something in common: you both seem to prefer your sequels to The Shining to have as little to do with The Shining as possible.

"Why are they going back to the Overlook? I'd rather Dan go to another AA meeting instead."


Don't laugh, a show-down at an A.A. meeting would have turned that movie around, 100% for the better.
 
2020-05-09 5:02:51 PM  

Snapper Carr: thatguyoverthere70: AirForceVet: You didn't read the novel, did you?

The novel Doctor Sleep? Yes, I read it. I bought it the day it was released.

I'm not sure what your point is. The movie followed the novel pretty closely. It focused mainly on Abra and Dan was basically her sidekick who goes to rehab a lot..

I didn't read the novel but my problem with the film was that I never took the vampires seriously as a threat.  It was pretty clear they were outmatched pretty much throughout their interactions with Abra and Dan and the only time I felt any real tension was when they went to the Overlook.


The book is like that, too.  There's even a part, not long after they're introduced, where it says the vampries doomed themselves by getting infected with measles.

Don't know if It's in the movie, but a group of the vampires lose a fight on a miniature train.  I felt like that was one of those things that are put in a novel to mock the reader for trying to accept what they are reading.
 
2020-05-09 5:31:05 PM  
Hope this real life version of The Stand stops going so we get to see this one next year.
 
2020-05-09 7:18:25 PM  

Hendawg: Aside from being completely captivated by Rebecca Ferguson, I really don't remember much from watching Doctor Sleep


Anne the Hat: Well well well. Hi there.
My penis: Boiiiing!
 
2020-05-09 7:25:58 PM  
Those 2 books are quite similar.  They're essentially both about overcoming addiction.
 
2020-05-09 7:34:11 PM  
I'm a huge Shining fan (book and movie) to the point where I tweeted out the entire book from Jack's point of view, and I didn't love the book version of Dr. Sleep.

I liked Dan's journey into sobriety, but the Manic Gypsie Vampire Crew came off like underwritten stock villains. How's the movie?
 
2020-05-10 1:10:10 AM  
I would like a Last Rung on the Ladder movie
 
2020-05-10 1:40:04 AM  
I liked Revival a lot, but one of the reasons I liked it might not translate well to a movie. The majority of the story is about a kid who learns to play the guitar and that puts him on a path that eventually sees him develop a substance abuse problem as an adult(this is a Stephen Kind story you know). The creepy portion is a smaller section. The creepy part is set up by incidents that occur during this guy's life from childhood to adulthood. It's not like in IT where there are two distinct parts, kids/adults, Revival is spread out over a long time.

So I think they may have to compress it to kid/adult. The kid portion would have the part of learning to play guitar and all the creepy part setup. Then he'll be an adult with the substance abuse already in progress and we'll pick up from there.
 
2020-05-10 3:03:32 AM  
The big problem with Dr. Sleep was that the truly scary villains from the first half of the book turned into the evil version of the Apple Dumpling Gang in the second half...

Revival was solid. A great prequel to this:

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2020-05-10 3:12:59 AM  

Naido: I thought Doctor Sleep was actually doing really well until they leaned way too hard on Shining in the last third.  So I'm semi-optimistic about this one


I liked that they went hard into the Shining. I just really thought it worked.
 
2020-05-10 4:15:06 AM  

Garza and the Supermutants: I'm a huge Shining fan (book and movie) to the point where I tweeted out the entire book from Jack's point of view, and I didn't love the book version of Dr. Sleep.

I liked Dan's journey into sobriety, but the Manic Gypsie Vampire Crew came off like underwritten stock villains. How's the movie?


I just hope and pray he can tie it in with Rose Red.

Maybe a Langolier or two.
 
2020-05-10 8:06:31 AM  
I didn't really expect much, but Dr Sleep was a surprisingly good movie. So here's hoping they can do it again.
 
2020-05-10 8:12:13 AM  

Hendawg: Aside from being completely captivated by Rebecca Ferguson, I really don't remember much from watching Doctor Sleep


Is is just me, or did she look like the spitting image of Michelle Pfeiffer in her prime?
 
2020-05-10 8:16:26 AM  

Garza and the Supermutants: I'm a huge Shining fan (book and movie) to the point where I tweeted out the entire book from Jack's point of view, and I didn't love the book version of Dr. Sleep.

I liked Dan's journey into sobriety, but the Manic Gypsie Vampire Crew came off like underwritten stock villains. How's the movie?


IMO they were given some decent personalies. The main problem, as has been pointed out, was they weren't much threat to the main characters (although definitely a threat to everyone else).
 
2020-05-10 8:18:17 AM  

T.rex: Those 2 books are quite similar.  They're essentially both about overcoming addiction.


Or at least trying to overcome addiction, given Jack failed in The Shining.
 
2020-05-10 11:54:31 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Garza and the Supermutants: I'm a huge Shining fan (book and movie) to the point where I tweeted out the entire book from Jack's point of view, and I didn't love the book version of Dr. Sleep.

I liked Dan's journey into sobriety, but the Manic Gypsie Vampire Crew came off like underwritten stock villains. How's the movie?

IMO they were given some decent personalies. The main problem, as has been pointed out, was they weren't much threat to the main characters (although definitely a threat to everyone else).


That makes sense. A year or two after Dr. Sleep, David Mitchell came out with a book called The Bone Clocks with a similar set of villains. I recommend it if you liked King's book.
 
2020-05-10 6:36:23 PM  

a particular individual: punkwrestler: Wouldn't The Stand be more appropriate right now?

CBS All Access wrapped filming  the 10-part miniseries in March. They're sitting on it because they're concerned it would be on poor taste to release it during the pandemic.

Whoopi Goldberg is playing Mother Abigail. Alexander Skarsgard (Pennywise's brother) plays Flagg.


now is the PERFECT time to release it
 
2020-05-10 6:44:51 PM  

Geoff Peterson: a particular individual: punkwrestler: Wouldn't The Stand be more appropriate right now?

CBS All Access wrapped filming  the 10-part miniseries in March. They're sitting on it because they're concerned it would be on poor taste to release it during the pandemic.

Whoopi Goldberg is playing Mother Abigail. Alexander Skarsgard (Pennywise's brother) plays Flagg.

now is the PERFECT time to release it


You can imagine how some people would take it: a naked money-grab. Never mind that it had been in production for years before the 'rona.

Recently, King linked to a YouTube audio of the chapter describing how Captain Trips spread. Naturally, someone accused him of trying to capitalize on a disaster. That person is a moron, but this does not refute my larger point.
 
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