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(Yahoo)   The US death toll could have been halved had we acted just four days sooner. "These findings may inform policymaking," said laughably naive researchers who obviously have not been paying attention to how policy is made   (finance.yahoo.com) divider line
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2020-05-08 4:11:22 PM  
It would awesome had Trump not slashed the CDC team working in China.  I mean scientists whose focus was on emerging pandemic in a country might have been able to provide more information about an emerging pandemic from that f$cking country.  Four days?  They might had an extra 4 weeks to work with.  8 weeks if Trump hadn't take a vacation from the threat in February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-he​a​lth-coronavirus-china-cdc-exclusiv/exc​lusive-u-s-slashed-cdc-staff-inside-ch​ina-prior-to-coronavirus-outbreak-idUS​KBN21C3N5
 
2020-05-08 4:13:18 PM  
Given how much pushback there was when we did begin social distancing, I can't imagine people would have gone along with it. It would have been political suicide in GOP states, unless Trump had led the way, had a decent speechwriter, and taken a Eisenhower or FDR level of "let's come together on this" public stance. And the chances of Trump being that kind of leader are nil.
 
2020-05-08 4:14:16 PM  
Might inform future policy-making.
 
2020-05-08 4:32:12 PM  
So, before any deaths in this country, he should of done more stuff.  Like what?  He was already vilified for imposing the travel ban as early as he did.  Of course, hindsight is 20/20.  If only he would have been xenophobic even sooner. Marshall law would have helped too.  maybe termination of all those infected or possibly infected.  like they did with the pigs.
 
2020-05-08 4:39:45 PM  

munko: So, before any deaths in this country, he should of done more stuff.  Like what?  He was already vilified for imposing the travel ban as early as he did.  Of course, hindsight is 20/20.  If only he would have been xenophobic even sooner. Marshall law would have helped too.  maybe termination of all those infected or possibly infected.  like they did with the pigs.


The travel ban was stupid. It only affected Chinese nationals who were coming from China. It didn't prevent American citizens from returning; it didn't stop anyone coming from Europe. He could have instituted the travel ban January 1, and we'd still be where we are.

The solution was never xenophobia, nor was it killing people who were ill. That's projection on your part.

The solution was to learn from what was already going on in Italy and Spain, and enact social distancing earlier.
 
2020-05-08 4:52:29 PM  
Ha,subby thinks Trump has a policy.
 
2020-05-08 4:53:32 PM  

munko: So, before any deaths in this country, he should of done more stuff.  Like what?  He was already vilified for imposing the travel ban as early as he did.  Of course, hindsight is 20/20.  If only he would have been xenophobic even sooner. Marshall law would have helped too.  maybe termination of all those infected or possibly infected.  like they did with the pigs.


What else could he have done? Let's not even discuss not shutting down everything set up to study/avoid/contain something like this. Call it water under the bridge and move on. He could have ramped all that back up. He doesn't have the authority to force states to enact the preventative measures taken, but he has the authority to make the recommendations and help organize the efforts. He could have required quarantine, testing and tracing of overseas travelers. He could have gone all out with an actual travel ban. In short, he could have listened to any expert he hadn't purged instead of saying "No Chinese people!", calling the problem solved and heading out to the links.
 
2020-05-08 5:10:14 PM  

munko: So, before any deaths in this country, he should of done more stuff.  Like what?  He was already vilified for imposing the travel ban as early as he did.  Of course, hindsight is 20/20.  If only he would have been xenophobic even sooner. Marshall law would have helped too.  maybe termination of all those infected or possibly infected.  like they did with the pigs.


It's "martial law".  Jesus farking Christ read a goddamn book.
 
2020-05-08 5:11:02 PM  
So, if we had acted in January the death toll would have only been a 9/11, instead of the amount of sperm in a single drop of semen.

/got tired of using Rhode Islands
 
2020-05-08 5:12:35 PM  

munko: So, before any deaths in this country, he should of done more stuff.  Like what?  He was already vilified for imposing the travel ban as early as he did.  Of course, hindsight is 20/20.  If only he would have been xenophobic even sooner. Marshall law would have helped too.  maybe termination of all those infected or possibly infected.  like they did with the pigs.


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Sure thing, Marco.
 
2020-05-08 5:14:10 PM  

Clarence Brown: munko: So, before any deaths in this country, he should of done more stuff.  Like what?  He was already vilified for imposing the travel ban as early as he did.  Of course, hindsight is 20/20.  If only he would have been xenophobic even sooner. Marshall law would have helped too.  maybe termination of all those infected or possibly infected.  like they did with the pigs.

The travel ban was stupid. It only affected Chinese nationals who were coming from China. It didn't prevent American citizens from returning; it didn't stop anyone coming from Europe. He could have instituted the travel ban January 1, and we'd still be where we are.

The solution was never xenophobia, nor was it killing people who were ill. That's projection on your part.

The solution was to learn from what was already going on in Italy and Spain, and enact social distancing earlier.


Yeah. Watching them pat themselves on the back for the China lockdown is so stupid.

The first cases here in Missouri were people traveling from Europe so the lockdown did jack squat to stop the spread here.

Not to mention that instead of using the time we bought with the China travel ban to prepare and replenish our depleted stocks of medical equipment, he decided to use the time to golf and to go to his circle jerk sessions.
 
2020-05-08 5:15:11 PM  
Depends on who's running things next year. If Republicans are still in charge, no, they won't learn a farking thing, because learning implies you were wrong, and Republicans can't be wrong (according to them). They'll proclaim a stunning success by President Sniveling Asshole and that will be that.
 
2020-05-08 5:15:18 PM  

munko: Marshall law would have helped too.


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2020-05-08 5:16:21 PM  

Clarence Brown: Given how much pushback there was when we did begin social distancing, I can't imagine people would have gone along with it. It would have been political suicide in GOP states, unless Trump had led the way, had a decent speechwriter, and taken a Eisenhower or FDR level of "let's come together on this" public stance. And the chances of Trump being that kind of leader are nil.


What pushback?

Most people on both sides of the aisle wanted distancing. Most people on both sides of the aisle still want distancing:

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Loud idiots are going to be loud idiots regardless. Everyone else was and is sane.
 
2020-05-08 5:16:26 PM  
Burn_The_Plows:

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2020-05-08 5:30:34 PM  

munko: So, before any deaths in this country, he should of done more stuff.  Like what?  He was already vilified for imposing the travel ban as early as he did.  Of course, hindsight is 20/20.  If only he would have been xenophobic even sooner. Marshall law would have helped too.  maybe termination of all those infected or possibly infected.  like they did with the pigs.


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2020-05-08 5:35:09 PM  
But I wanted to take my motorboat out four days before the lockdown.
 
2020-05-08 5:38:13 PM  

munko: So, before any deaths in this country, he should of done more stuff.  Like what?  He was already vilified for imposing the travel ban as early as he did.  Of course, hindsight is 20/20.  If only he would have been xenophobic even sooner. Marshall law would have helped too.  maybe termination of all those infected or possibly infected.  like they did with the pigs.


Moron.
 
2020-05-08 5:39:11 PM  

munko: So, before any deaths in this country, he should of done more stuff.  Like what?  He was already vilified for imposing the travel ban as early as he did.  Of course, hindsight is 20/20.  If only he would have been xenophobic even sooner. Marshall law would have helped too.  maybe termination of all those infected or possibly infected.  like they did with the pigs.


Testing ramp ups would have helped.  Still would.
Getting ventilators earlier would have helped.
Using the Defense Production Act to make massive amounts of PPE would have helped.  Still would.
Instead the only thing he has FORCED to happen is making meat plants stay open.
Not making states praise him in order to get help from the Fed would help.
Heeding advice from scientists and doctors would have helped.  Still would.

Also, it is "martial" law, not Marshall. Unless you were planning on Eminem being involved somehow.
 
2020-05-08 5:40:14 PM  

munko: So, before any deaths in this country, he should of done more stuff.  Like what?  He was already vilified for imposing the travel ban as early as he did.  Of course, hindsight is 20/20.  If only he would have been xenophobic even sooner. Marshall law would have helped too.  maybe termination of all those infected or possibly infected.  like they did with the pigs.


His travel ban is vilified because it was transparently racist.

If you're closing down air travel with a place because there's a wildly virulent pandemic emerging from there, you close it to EVERYONE, not just nationals from there while saying it's okey dokey for US nationals to come and go, at the same time you're openly fomenting racism against people from there.

Also, you shouldn't bring Americans verified to have said wildly infectious disease back by putting them on a commercial flight WITH NO PRECAUTIONS AT ALL IN PLACE.

The bottom line is, in a time in which swift and intelligent action would have saved tens of thousands of lives, our utter failure of a "leader" did absolutely nothing for as long as possible. And when it was no longer possible to ignore the problem, begrudgingly did the absolute least possible while continuing to lie about the severity of the problem. And then when it was no longer possible to not do something, engaged in actions which deserve nothing short of being hanged - jfc, the very idea that the President's son in law is stealing equipment bought by states in order to give it to political donors to ransom back to the states is just beyond the pale.

The entire time, they have made it perfectly clear that they care absolutely nothing for the lives or suffering of the American people but will gladly throw us all on the sacrifice pyre of their evil god Mammon.

Trying to defend almost anything about this criminal farce's response to covid is a losing prospect, man.

And now thanks to the parade of lies spread by Trump and parroted by the right wing lie machine, his idiot followers are trying to force states to re-enable transmission of covid before we've even made any serious progress towards dis-abling it in the first place... And the reason we've made virtually no progress at halting it is largely thanks to his constant lying to them telling them not to take it seriously, too.
 
2020-05-08 5:47:10 PM  
Statements from epidemiolgists about flattening the curve have never said it prevents deaths (other than unnecessary ones due to swamping medical capacity), it just spreads them out. So presumably what we gained on the leading end of the curve by acting early would have been lost on the trailing end.
 
2020-05-08 6:00:15 PM  

jjorsett: Statements from epidemiolgists about flattening the curve have never said it prevents deaths (other than unnecessary ones due to swamping medical capacity), it just spreads them out. So presumably what we gained on the leading end of the curve by acting early would have been lost on the trailing end.


That's what I have been saying and everyone always thinks it is soooo funny.

Even the countries that have done excellent at stopping it now have to do it all over again every time someone infected sneaks into their country and spreads it around.

https://www.vox.com/2020/5/6/21241058​/​coronavirus-mitigation-suppression-fla​tten-the-curve

We need massive testing of the asymptomatic if we were even going to make a good run at this. It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen even if we had a majority of Democrats in the house, senate, and had a good president.

Yes, we wouldn't be dealing with an idiot for president and things would be better. We would have a better pandemic team working on the situation. Other than that, I just don't think we would be doing much different than what is going on now.

Even if all of DC was full of fantastically smart people, we would still be dealing with MAGAts spreading it all around.

/And we aren't dealing with a bunch of fantastically smart people in DC.
 
2020-05-08 6:10:15 PM  

Jake Havechek: munko: So, before any deaths in this country, he should of done more stuff.  Like what?  He was already vilified for imposing the travel ban as early as he did.  Of course, hindsight is 20/20.  If only he would have been xenophobic even sooner. Marshall law would have helped too.  maybe termination of all those infected or possibly infected.  like they did with the pigs.

It's "martial law".  Jesus farking Christ read a goddamn book.


It's an art... being that stupid.
 
2020-05-08 7:04:14 PM  
Trump lies; people die.
 
2020-05-08 7:16:25 PM  

Dafatone: Clarence Brown: Given how much pushback there was when we did begin social distancing, I can't imagine people would have gone along with it. It would have been political suicide in GOP states, unless Trump had led the way, had a decent speechwriter, and taken a Eisenhower or FDR level of "let's come together on this" public stance. And the chances of Trump being that kind of leader are nil.

What pushback?

Most people on both sides of the aisle wanted distancing. Most people on both sides of the aisle still want distancing:

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Loud idiots are going to be loud idiots regardless. Everyone else was and is sane.


They didn't want it in March.
 
2020-05-08 7:17:06 PM  
Are you kidding?  Trump is already bored with this because of his toddler length attention span.  He wants you to hurry up and die already so he can hit the links at Mar a Lago.
 
2020-05-08 7:17:31 PM  

jjorsett: Statements from epidemiolgists about flattening the curve have never said it prevents deaths (other than unnecessary ones due to swamping medical capacity), it just spreads them out. So presumably what we gained on the leading end of the curve by acting early would have been lost on the trailing end.



Plenty of people died as it is from exceeding capacity. Is there some reason preventing those deaths wouldn't count?

And yeah, flattening the curve prevents deaths even if you have infinite ventilators. I would much rather be infected in month 9 of a pandemic rather than month 1 or 2, thank you very much -- when doctors know what we are dealing with and there might even be more effective treatment.

As for the trailing end... and I can't emphasize this enough... we don't yet know if there will be one. It depends on how long immunity lasts after recovering from infection. It also depends on whether a vaccine will be possible. We've been trying to make a vaccine for HIV for what, 30 years? The vaccine for malaria is what, 25% effective?
 
2020-05-08 7:21:17 PM  

Clarence Brown: Dafatone: Clarence Brown: Given how much pushback there was when we did begin social distancing, I can't imagine people would have gone along with it. It would have been political suicide in GOP states, unless Trump had led the way, had a decent speechwriter, and taken a Eisenhower or FDR level of "let's come together on this" public stance. And the chances of Trump being that kind of leader are nil.

What pushback?

Most people on both sides of the aisle wanted distancing. Most people on both sides of the aisle still want distancing:

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Loud idiots are going to be loud idiots regardless. Everyone else was and is sane.

They didn't want it in March.


Just to be clear: I'm saying that Trump and the right-wing media bungled this thoroughly and deliberately. They thought about it in terms of what's best for the GOP and Trump in short-term ways. (But that's how they think.)

A reasonable leader with a reasonable administration--hell, any administration we've had in the last hundred years other than this one, would have learned from what was happening in Europe and done a speech to go down in history, about our unifying together for a common threat. (Even GWB managed to figure that one out.) But, for GOP governors to have done it without Trump leading the way and Fox/Limbaugh/WND promoting it would have been political suicide.

They should have done it, btw. It would have been the right thing to do.
 
2020-05-08 7:35:50 PM  
Most intelligent presidents learn from their mistakes and adjust policy for the future.  Seeing how God Emperor Trump is never wrong, this won't happen.
 
2020-05-08 8:50:47 PM  

munko: So, before any deaths in this country, he should of done more stuff.  Like what?  He was already vilified for imposing the travel ban as early as he did.  Of course, hindsight is 20/20.  If only he would have been xenophobic even sooner. Marshall law would have helped too.  maybe termination of all those infected or possibly infected.  like they did with the pigs.


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2020-05-08 8:54:35 PM  
Future Fark headline: "The U.S. death toll could have been halved had we opened up just ten days later"
 
2020-05-08 10:24:47 PM  

munko: He was already vilified for imposing the travel ban as early as he did


So this is where we're at with the history revision.
 
2020-05-08 11:01:20 PM  
This is a crisis, people.   Now is not the time to talk about the death panels.
 
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