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2020-05-07 9:15:59 AM  
Still have to wait at least till 2021 for the witcher s2
 
2020-05-07 9:53:57 AM  
I liked the first one okay.  Not as good as it's own concept, but servicable.
 
2020-05-07 10:01:44 AM  
johnny mnemonic did shadow-run better. Not by much but still better.
The only worthwhile part of Johnny Mnemonic
Youtube UzRjtvMQds4
 
2020-05-07 10:06:06 AM  
We're gonna titty-bar gunfight die.

Again.
 
2020-05-07 10:06:08 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: I liked the first one okay.  Not as good as it's own concept, but servicable.


Me, too...my main gripe was that - like the headline implies - it only would have taken minor tweaks (and some likely easy to afford licensing) to make it a legit Shadowrun movie.
 
2020-05-07 10:14:19 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: I liked the first one okay.  Not as good as it's own concept, but servicable.


I thought it was an interesting take on the old veteran/rookie buddy cop concept. Could have been better than it was, but not nearly as bad as most critics made it sound. Isn't it one of those movies critics hate but has like 90% audience review? Yes the audience reviews can be astro-turfed, but I don't know many people who have actually watched it who hated it.
 
2020-05-07 10:19:32 AM  
I enjoyed the first one quite a bit. Looking forward to the sequel.
 
2020-05-07 10:23:14 AM  

Weidbrewer: LowbrowDeluxe: I liked the first one okay.  Not as good as it's own concept, but servicable.

Me, too...my main gripe was that - like the headline implies - it only would have taken minor tweaks (and some likely easy to afford licensing) to make it a legit Shadowrun movie.


Even if not officially Shadowrun, I think the setting works better as a recent awakening (eg, orcs and elves and magic are new in the world), rather than as things that have always existed but somehow that world's history and society developed exactly the same as ours.
 
2020-05-07 10:27:34 AM  

zenki36830: johnny mnemonic did shadow-run better. Not by much but still better.[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/UzRjtvMQ​ds4]


I keep rewatching that movie thinking that it just *can't* be as bad as I remember it being.

The elements should be cool.  Dolph Lundgren as a cybernetic murder priest?  Ice-T dropping volkswagens off of bridges on people?  Data couriers hiding information inside their minds?

But in reality it was like a Peanut-butter Bacon Avocado sandwich.  Pieces that should work on their own but just couldn't get assembled to taste good.
 
2020-05-07 10:28:05 AM  

zenki36830: johnny mnemonic did shadow-run better. Not by much but still better.[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/UzRjtvMQ​ds4]


That movie was WAY underappreciated.

"I want ROOM SERVICE!"
 
2020-05-07 10:29:23 AM  

Jster422: zenki36830: johnny mnemonic did shadow-run better. Not by much but still better.[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/UzRjtvMQ​ds4]

I keep rewatching that movie thinking that it just *can't* be as bad as I remember it being.

The elements should be cool.  Dolph Lundgren as a cybernetic murder priest?  Ice-T dropping volkswagens off of bridges on people?  Data couriers hiding information inside their minds?

But in reality it was like a Peanut-butter Bacon Avocado sandwich.  Pieces that should work on their own but just couldn't get assembled to taste good.


<sigh> I guess we fight it out in Thunderdome...
 
2020-05-07 10:33:22 AM  

Gleeman: LowbrowDeluxe: I liked the first one okay.  Not as good as it's own concept, but servicable.

I thought it was an interesting take on the old veteran/rookie buddy cop concept. Could have been better than it was, but not nearly as bad as most critics made it sound. Isn't it one of those movies critics hate but has like 90% audience review? Yes the audience reviews can be astro-turfed, but I don't know many people who have actually watched it who hated it.


I  think the big piece of contention was the whole 'orcs are just a stand in for black people' from critics and then complaints about how thin that was painted on.  And the thing is, I don't think they were.  The story IS about racism, but the orcs were orcs.  It doesn't matter if you identify them with any one ethnic group, the issues of racism involved were pulling from multiple sources.  I feel like identifying them with one particular ethnic group was a matter of cultural bias, ironically enough.
 
2020-05-07 10:36:13 AM  

Atomic Jonb: Jster422: zenki36830: johnny mnemonic did shadow-run better. Not by much but still better.[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/UzRjtvMQ​ds4]

I keep rewatching that movie thinking that it just *can't* be as bad as I remember it being.

The elements should be cool.  Dolph Lundgren as a cybernetic murder priest?  Ice-T dropping volkswagens off of bridges on people?  Data couriers hiding information inside their minds?

But in reality it was like a Peanut-butter Bacon Avocado sandwich.  Pieces that should work on their own but just couldn't get assembled to taste good.

<sigh> I guess we fight it out in Thunderdome...


Man, I want to agree with you - and I loved 'I want Room Service!'.

I'll watch it again.  Maybe this time it will click.

/and a 10,000 dollar hooker
 
2020-05-07 10:38:17 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: Gleeman: LowbrowDeluxe: I liked the first one okay.  Not as good as it's own concept, but servicable.

I thought it was an interesting take on the old veteran/rookie buddy cop concept. Could have been better than it was, but not nearly as bad as most critics made it sound. Isn't it one of those movies critics hate but has like 90% audience review? Yes the audience reviews can be astro-turfed, but I don't know many people who have actually watched it who hated it.

I  think the big piece of contention was the whole 'orcs are just a stand in for black people' from critics and then complaints about how thin that was painted on.  And the thing is, I don't think they were.  The story IS about racism, but the orcs were orcs.  It doesn't matter if you identify them with any one ethnic group, the issues of racism involved were pulling from multiple sources.  I feel like identifying them with one particular ethnic group was a matter of cultural bias, ironically enough.


I think that's a good point, and I agree.

The Orcs were gruff and violent and lived in cities.  Okay.

So people jump to saying - 'hey - you made them black people!'  I can't say I wouldn't make the same leap, but yeah, that's on me.
 
2020-05-07 10:45:46 AM  
The MMA tie in with the first movie made me cringe.
 
2020-05-07 10:46:26 AM  
I quite liked the first one.  It wasn't great, but was certainly entertaining.  Will definitely check out a sequel.

If we're going to do a fantasy/reality/sci-fi mash-up, I would watch the hell out of a movie or Netflix series based on Tad Williams' "War of the Flowers".  It's an absolutely fantastic "Average Joe gets teleported into a fantasy world" story.
 
2020-05-07 10:48:45 AM  
I didn't mind the first one, but I would have preferred that they do a full on Shadowrun flick or series rather than a half assed movie that tried to come close and failed. Give me a gods damned Shadowrun flick or series. Bonus points if they reference characters from the SNES and Sega games.
 
2020-05-07 10:59:52 AM  
Shadowrun would only work as an anthology series, or serialized seasons focusing on one team/character each time.

Moreover: a series about Dunkelzahn's assassination... and what is in that room in the Renraku Arcology.

/Kid Stealth's story about how he got his legs.Do it, Weisman.
 
2020-05-07 11:14:16 AM  
Entire multi season runs of shows on NetFlix have come and gone and still waiting on season 3 of Knights of Sidonia.
 
2020-05-07 11:25:03 AM  
I just watched Extraction. I thought it was ok. Like a pretty typical 80's action movie, but starring Thor. Some of the camera work was pretty incredible. But Scott mendelson called it "problematic" for some reason, so I guess I'm not supposed to like it. But apparently they're making another one, and I'm looking forward to it.
 
2020-05-07 11:27:41 AM  

Gratch: I would watch the hell out of a movie or Netflix series based on Tad Williams' "War of the Flowers".  It's an absolutely fantastic "Average Joe gets teleported into a fantasy world" story.


It's been at least a decade since I read that, but ISTR the protagonist whined constantly for at least the first half of the book.  That probably wouldn't work.  Also, people today would probably look sideways at the "hack the city's computers to allow thousands of goblins without residency permits in" plot point.  They're actually goblins, not a stand-in for Guatemalans, AFAICT, but people will draw unwarranted parallels.  ICBW.
 
2020-05-07 12:13:55 PM  

Trik: Entire multi season runs of shows on NetFlix have come and gone and still waiting on season 3 of Knights of Sidonia.


Its in development according to Wikipedia. The director made the Blame! movie after season 2 but is supposed to be working on 3 now.
 
2020-05-07 12:44:50 PM  
Holy shiat my body is farking ready
 
2020-05-07 1:54:40 PM  

Jster422: zenki36830: johnny mnemonic did shadow-run better. Not by much but still better.[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/UzRjtvMQ​ds4]

I keep rewatching that movie thinking that it just *can't* be as bad as I remember it being.

The elements should be cool.  Dolph Lundgren as a cybernetic murder priest?  Ice-T dropping volkswagens off of bridges on people?  Data couriers hiding information inside their minds?

But in reality it was like a Peanut-butter Bacon Avocado sandwich.  Pieces that should work on their own but just couldn't get assembled to taste good.


There were a *lot* of issues with the film. Dina Meyer is pretty, but she's no action star. The film shoot was reportedly horrendous, with the studio constantly calling Gibson to make script changes after viewing the dailies. The director, Robert Longo, was so disliked and maligned, the crew would whistle 'If I Only Had A Brain' whenever they were around him.

My biggest gripe with the film? The look was far too 'clean'. Like, you watch Blade Runner, and it's the urban sprawl decay that we expect with trash and grime everywhere on the street level. In Johnny Mnemonic, it's like they strategically placed bits of litter and urban detritus to make the street scenes look dirty without actually being dirty. Even the junkyard scenes looked Hollywood decayed. It's like the set designers were told by Gibson what the Sprawl should look like and made a list of things to include in exacting detail. Blade Runner's streets looked and felt organic; Johnny Mnemonic's streets looked and felt staged.
 
2020-05-07 2:11:12 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: Gleeman: LowbrowDeluxe: I liked the first one okay.  Not as good as it's own concept, but servicable.

I thought it was an interesting take on the old veteran/rookie buddy cop concept. Could have been better than it was, but not nearly as bad as most critics made it sound. Isn't it one of those movies critics hate but has like 90% audience review? Yes the audience reviews can be astro-turfed, but I don't know many people who have actually watched it who hated it.

I  think the big piece of contention was the whole 'orcs are just a stand in for black people' from critics and then complaints about how thin that was painted on.  And the thing is, I don't think they were.  The story IS about racism, but the orcs were orcs.  It doesn't matter if you identify them with any one ethnic group, the issues of racism involved were pulling from multiple sources.  I feel like identifying them with one particular ethnic group was a matter of cultural bias, ironically enough.


The thing is, though, the film goes out of it's way to portray Orcs in clothing and situations that scream 'ghetto gangsta'. Not just hoodies, but short jeans with white crew socks pulled all the way up 'Cholo' style. There wasn't any 'normalization' of the Orcs. Compare that with, say, Alien Nation, where the Newcomers were shown in all variety of clothing styles and situations, good and bad, citizen and criminal.

Now, not to say that Shadowrun has treated Orcs & Troll much better. But in recent editions, there's been an attempt to explain Orc & Troll behavior on socio-economic environmental factors, rather than 'Orcs be Orcs, Trolls be Trolls'. Like, Orcs and Trolls have the slurred speech patterns that make them sound less intelligent because they've got big honkin' tusks that alter their lip movements/placement. Orc & Troll having shorter average lifespans isn't genetic, it's a result of most of them living in toxic environments like the Barrens, less access to medical care, leading extremely high-risk lives (Shadowrunners, guards, hired muscle, mercs, and so on).
 
2020-05-07 2:42:07 PM  

dsmith42: Trik: Entire multi season runs of shows on NetFlix have come and gone and still waiting on season 3 of Knights of Sidonia.

Its in development according to Wikipedia. The director made the Blame! movie after season 2 but is supposed to be working on 3 now.


That news is at least 3 years old.
 
2020-05-07 3:42:30 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: The thing is, though, the film goes out of it's way to portray Orcs in clothing and situations that scream 'ghetto gangsta'. Not just hoodies, but short jeans with white crew socks pulled all the way up 'Cholo' style. There wasn't any 'normalization' of the Orcs. Compare that with, say, Alien Nation, where the Newcomers were shown in all variety of clothing styles and situations, good and bad, citizen and criminal.


That right there.  They were trying to use a lot of short hand to convey 'urban minority', but even so trying to say they were trying to make the orcs a stand in or representative of a specific ethnic group is, I think, wrong.  They weren't supposed to represent any one group, they were simply trying a little too broadly to make them relatably The Scary Minority.  The thesis of the movie is all about how we treat minorities, they were a stand in for all of them.
 
2020-05-07 5:00:18 PM  
Corrupted Youth - Class Struggle was the best song that never got billing on the soundtrack.

Brights story was all over the place that couldn't seal the deal. Looking forward to the sequel.
 
2020-05-07 5:23:44 PM  

skyotter: Weidbrewer: LowbrowDeluxe: I liked the first one okay.  Not as good as it's own concept, but servicable.

Me, too...my main gripe was that - like the headline implies - it only would have taken minor tweaks (and some likely easy to afford licensing) to make it a legit Shadowrun movie.

Even if not officially Shadowrun, I think the setting works better as a recent awakening (eg, orcs and elves and magic are new in the world), rather than as things that have always existed but somehow that world's history and society developed exactly the same as ours.


That was an inexplicable blunder that someone in the writing room should have caught. "Wouldn't it be easier to just say that suddenly magical beings and we don't know why/won't elaborate much" than to assume they've always been around?
 
2020-05-07 5:52:18 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: RoyFokker'sGhost: The thing is, though, the film goes out of it's way to portray Orcs in clothing and situations that scream 'ghetto gangsta'. Not just hoodies, but short jeans with white crew socks pulled all the way up 'Cholo' style. There wasn't any 'normalization' of the Orcs. Compare that with, say, Alien Nation, where the Newcomers were shown in all variety of clothing styles and situations, good and bad, citizen and criminal.

That right there.  They were trying to use a lot of short hand to convey 'urban minority', but even so trying to say they were trying to make the orcs a stand in or representative of a specific ethnic group is, I think, wrong.  They weren't supposed to represent any one group, they were simply trying a little too broadly to make them relatably The Scary Minority.  The thesis of the movie is all about how we treat minorities, they were a stand in for all of them.


The Fogteeth Orcs were pretty much nondescript mafia types, yeah. I just liked that Jakoby genuinely felt like the legit "hero" of the story even if the star power (and in the end Bright power) still fell on Will Smith. They did a good job of genuinely making you guess where his allegiances lie right up to the point that he opened fire on the corrupt cops and saved Jakoby's life.
 
2020-05-07 5:59:42 PM  
it was okay, I liked it in the 80s, too.
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2020-05-07 7:01:52 PM  

mybluemake: it was okay, I liked it in the 80s, too.[resizing.flixster.com image 206x305]


George San Francisco was a saint!

Plus the movies are different. And there's no three holes sex organs on the orcs.
 
2020-05-08 4:03:36 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: RoyFokker'sGhost: The thing is, though, the film goes out of it's way to portray Orcs in clothing and situations that scream 'ghetto gangsta'. Not just hoodies, but short jeans with white crew socks pulled all the way up 'Cholo' style. There wasn't any 'normalization' of the Orcs. Compare that with, say, Alien Nation, where the Newcomers were shown in all variety of clothing styles and situations, good and bad, citizen and criminal.

That right there.  They were trying to use a lot of short hand to convey 'urban minority', but even so trying to say they were trying to make the orcs a stand in or representative of a specific ethnic group is, I think, wrong.  They weren't supposed to represent any one group, they were simply trying a little too broadly to make them relatably The Scary Minority.  The thesis of the movie is all about how we treat minorities, they were a stand in for all of them.


Absolutely they were done in a way that doesn't pick a single minority to represent, one part of the mix that is often overlooked was how large parts of their story line up with the Jews.  This is some waffle I wrote back when it came out.
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It is generally assumed that Orcs = Blacks in Bright as a basic commentary on society in the US. Which particularly with the references to police brutality and assumption of criminality is an easy fit.  However, many of the references in the movie make Orcs = Jews a much more convincing analogy.

The Orcs are hated for picking the wrong side 2000 years ago, much like Jews still cop the blame for Jebus.

The main Orc character is named Jakoby, referencing Jacob the progenitor of the 12 tribes of Israel, which leads to the references to Orcs belonging to specific bloodlines.  Then the act of being "blooded" to be accepted, which while can be seen as gang initiation, also fits to Jewish rites of initiation and circumcision.

The Orcs are also clearly ghettoised not just in the sense of having areas that are full of them, but that there are official restrictions on movement where they are not permitted to enter the wElfier parts of the city.

Finally, while there are obviously some merging of racism references and it's not a straight one for one analogy, the point that is more specific to the Jewish experience is from the locker room scene. The big cop says something along the lines of "Back in Russia my family used to round up and kill every Orc they could find." Now I wouldn't say Russia would be the best place to hang out if you were black these days, but they don't have the same historical interactions that exist in the US.

Russia does have a historical proclivity for rounding up and killing Jews though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogroms​_​in_the_Russian_Empire
 
2020-05-08 12:02:41 PM  
The first one was alright, not great but enjoyable. I do remember some of the criticize about it being extremely stupid. In particular one critic i read said it didn't make sense that orcs are hated if the hero who defeated the dark lord was an orc but that misses a major theme in the movie and real life that racism isn't logical. I can fully believe that a member of a minority group could play a major role in history and be regarded as a hero while his people are still hated, racism is dumb and pointless not based in logic.

That said the movie could use a bit more lore and have its world be more fleshed out.
 
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