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2020-05-06 4:16:01 PM  
This sucks. I've been on that end of a very bad phone call. Being hundreds of miles away and not being able to do anything nor get in contact with anyone is a special ring of hell.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2020-05-06 4:48:52 PM  
I'm sorry.  I don't believe the murder of my wife and child would strengthen any kind of belief in a deity.
 
2020-05-06 5:17:24 PM  
No, he did not find out they were killed via Facebook.

He saw an article about two women and a child that were killed and assumed it was them.  Correctly assumed, as it turns out, but it could easily have been people he didn't know.

Sorry to get in the way of a bullshiat headline with all these facts and things.
 
2020-05-06 5:17:40 PM  
Suspect found naked, first being chased by police, then chasing the police. Put Yakety Sax music behind the video here (SFW):

https://globalnews.ca/news/5825750/bl​a​ke-bivens-wife-child-killed-naked-arre​st/
 
2020-05-06 5:17:44 PM  
Hopefully comments were disabled on the article.
 
2020-05-06 5:18:10 PM  
Jesus Christ. That might be the most soul crushing thing I've read in a while. That poor guy.
 
2020-05-06 5:19:45 PM  
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Dude looks like a child molester in an Archie comic.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2020-05-06 5:30:33 PM  

TWX: I'm sorry.  I don't believe the murder of my wife and child would strengthen any kind of belief in a deity.


I know somebody who did some relevant research.  She found the most respected people in a congregation, the ones others would seek out for religious or secular advice, were the ones who had suffered similar hardship.  They were not the loudest when it came to shout "amen!"  But talk is cheap.

Perhaps there were people who gave up on religion when something bad happened.  It would have required a different, long term survey to find them.  Doing a short term project she could only find the ones who were around.
 
2020-05-06 5:35:52 PM  

Walker: Suspect found naked, first being chased by police, then chasing the police. Put Yakety Sax music behind the video here (SFW):

https://globalnews.ca/news/5825750/bla​ke-bivens-wife-child-killed-naked-arre​st/


They needed a tank and an armored vehicle for a manhunt?
 
2020-05-06 5:36:17 PM  
This was the same story where the guy ran away from the cops naked, and people were outraged that if he hadn't been white, police would've opened fire.
 
2020-05-06 5:36:20 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: No, he did not find out they were killed via Facebook.

He saw an article about two women and a child that were killed and assumed it was them.  Correctly assumed, as it turns out, but it could easily have been people he didn't know.

Sorry to get in the way of a bullshiat headline with all these facts and things.


He also could have read an article about murder victims who had the same names as his family and assumed the victims were his family. It could have easily been people with the exact same names.
 
2020-05-06 5:37:23 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: No, he did not find out they were killed via Facebook.

He saw an article about two women and a child that were killed and assumed it was them.  Correctly assumed, as it turns out, but it could easily have been people he didn't know.

Sorry to get in the way of a bullshiat headline with all these facts and things.


Oh jeez, it's that guy again with his facts and reading comprehension and stuff.
 
2020-05-06 5:38:05 PM  

SirMadness: This was the same story where the guy ran away from the cops naked, and people were outraged that if he hadn't been white, police would've opened fire.


If he was black the cops may not have shot him. Just statistically he would have been much, much, much more likely to have been shot.
 
2020-05-06 5:38:37 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: No, he did not find out they were killed via Facebook.

He saw an article about two women and a child that were killed and assumed it was them.  Correctly assumed, as it turns out, but it could easily have been people he didn't know.

Sorry to get in the way of a bullshiat headline with all these facts and things.

How dare he tell about the murder of his family in a way that is unacceptable to you.
 
2020-05-06 5:48:26 PM  

Doctoral Candidate Zaius: Jesus Christ. That might be the most soul crushing thing I've read in a while. That poor guy.


This.
When your brother in law kills your wife, mother in law, and your 1-year-old...

/chills
//yeesh
 
2020-05-06 5:53:23 PM  

jaytkay: NotThatGuyAgain: No, he did not find out they were killed via Facebook.

He saw an article about two women and a child that were killed and assumed it was them.  Correctly assumed, as it turns out, but it could easily have been people he didn't know.

Sorry to get in the way of a bullshiat headline with all these facts and things.
How dare he tell about the murder of his family in a way that is unacceptable to you.


And I still don't understand the criticism. Is the implication that the only way to know if someone has died is by seeing their dead bodies? Because otherwise you are just assuming?
 
2020-05-06 6:10:48 PM  

TWX: I'm sorry.  I don't believe the murder of my wife and child would strengthen any kind of belief in a deity.


ZAZ: I know somebody who did some relevant research.  She found the most respected people in a congregation, the ones others would seek out for religious or secular advice, were the ones who had suffered similar hardship.  They were not the loudest when it came to shout "amen!"  But talk is cheap.

Perhaps there were people who gave up on religion when something bad happened.  It would have required a different, long term survey to find them.  Doing a short term project she could only find the ones who were around.


My sister was murdered in 1991.  I personally started out on the latter and have moved to the former.

And that sounds like confirmation bias in the research.  Of 100 people that had lost a loved one to murder who we found at church, 95% of them found their faith sustained them.  As these things tend to go, I suspect I've had luck/misfortune to meet far more survivors and there are plenty like me.  But we are even more quiet as not to be judged.  Again.

/luck/misfortune: Luck - because I've met some wonderful people. Misfortune - because you don't want more people in this club.
// And yes you get judged a lot, a being somehow responsible and for somehow not being trustworthy once they know
///  It will be 29 years in 25 days... Still miss you sis.
 
2020-05-06 6:43:26 PM  
Wow, that's soul crushing. Not sure where I would go from there...

The pitcher told Gore his faith in God has been his greatest comfort as he continues to heal from the devastating loss of his family.

I can say with certainty that this is NOT where I would go.
Last thing on the planet I would do is worship and pay homage to the farking prick that did that to me and my family. (divine plan and all)
Fark Hell NO!
 
2020-05-06 6:57:48 PM  

etoof: This sucks. I've been on that end of a very bad phone call. Being hundreds of miles away and not being able to do anything nor get in contact with anyone is a special ring of hell.


Oh man, I'm sorry for that. I don't know what brutal hell was unleashed for you, but you have my deepen sympathies.
I had a situation similar. I was deployed and our Chaplin asked me to come visit him, then proceeded to tell me that *one* of my sons had died. He didn't know which.
My heart stops today just thinking about the next moments of my life and what kind of bargains I tried making.
 
2020-05-06 7:03:20 PM  

Walker: Suspect found naked, first being chased by police, then chasing the police. Put Yakety Sax music behind the video here (SFW):

https://globalnews.ca/news/5825750/bla​ke-bivens-wife-child-killed-naked-arre​st/


I'm Matthew Bernard, and this is Jackass!
 
2020-05-06 7:07:41 PM  

Moopy Mac: NotThatGuyAgain: No, he did not find out they were killed via Facebook.

He saw an article about two women and a child that were killed and assumed it was them.  Correctly assumed, as it turns out, but it could easily have been people he didn't know.

Sorry to get in the way of a bullshiat headline with all these facts and things.

He also could have read an article about murder victims who had the same names as his family and assumed the victims were his family. It could have easily been people with the exact same names.


You're an idiot.
 
2020-05-06 7:16:26 PM  

Walker: Suspect found naked, first being chased by police, then chasing the police. Put Yakety Sax music behind the video here (SFW):

https://globalnews.ca/news/5825750/bla​ke-bivens-wife-child-killed-naked-arre​st/


Or not.

Wonder if he had some sort of mental illness.

At any rate, he needs to be put away somewhere. Don't care where, but he doesn't belong in society ever again.
 
2020-05-06 7:28:21 PM  

Percise1: Wow, that's soul crushing. Not sure where I would go from there...

The pitcher told Gore his faith in God has been his greatest comfort as he continues to heal from the devastating loss of his family.

I can say with certainty that this is NOT where I would go.
Last thing on the planet I would do is worship and pay homage to the farking prick that did that to me and my family. (divine plan and all)
Fark Hell NO!


That's one theological take on it.

But not one that would fly at my church, or most of the ones I have been to.

The world is a broken place that falls short of God's glory. God's plan doesn't involving inflicting suffering on people.

Those poor people were murdered. God specifically listed that as something that was against his law.
 
2020-05-06 8:18:58 PM  

gar1013: But not one that would fly at my church, or most of the ones I have been to.


And when I say judge, this right here is what I am talking about.  YOU DON'T GET ANY SAY.  I had plenty of pseudo-pious asshats tell me what I was feeling was wrong instead of shutting up and letting me work through things.  But congrats, you did help decide my ultimate path.

gar1013: The world is a broken place that falls short of God's glory. God's plan doesn't involving inflicting suffering on people.

Those poor people were murdered. God specifically listed that as something that was against his law.


So is god all seeing and all knowing?  Is he infinitely powerful?  If the answer to either is yes, then by allowing it to happen he's at best an accessory to murder.  I'm pretty sure if God manifested himself all those years ago and said "Pam, that jackass is going to be here in an hour, get in the car and go to your mom's house ASAP!" even if she had thought she was seeing things she would have GTFO as the guy was clearly stalking her and she was jumpy at that point.  And/Or if god is all powerful I'm pretty sure one lightning bolt could have sorted it all out quickly to everyone's general satisfaction.

/Don't get me started on juvenile cancer and other painful and/or painful childhood afflictions.
//And you mention tests, you can go sit in the corner.  It is not necessary to test everything to the breaking point.
/// I have to testify before a parole board for that jackass next week.  I haven't been angry in years, but yay, I get to relive it all every two years for the rest of his life.  < Warning: Subject may be subject to moments of pure rage>
 
2020-05-06 8:58:32 PM  
It's a horrible feeling. Last year I found out about my best friend of over 25 years dying over Facebook. We hadn't talked in a couple weeks, I'm in California and he was in Colorado, and his sister posted on his account that he had died in his sleep. I talked to her and found out their mom was supposed to have called me up to tell me but the stress of his sudden passing caused her to die too, leaving his sister to make arrangements for both.
 
2020-05-06 9:36:05 PM  

gar1013: Percise1: Wow, that's soul crushing. Not sure where I would go from there...

The pitcher told Gore his faith in God has been his greatest comfort as he continues to heal from the devastating loss of his family.

I can say with certainty that this is NOT where I would go.
Last thing on the planet I would do is worship and pay homage to the farking prick that did that to me and my family. (divine plan and all)
Fark Hell NO!

That's one theological take on it.

But not one that would fly at my church, or most of the ones I have been to.

The world is a broken place that falls short of God's glory. God's plan doesn't involving inflicting suffering on people.

Those poor people were murdered. God specifically listed that as something that was against his law.


Meh... been through the religious crap and it really seemed like they pushed the whole "god is all powerful, all knowing, all seeing" stuff... he invented everything out of pure will after all.
So which is he? I'll tell you... when something good happens, it's "god is watching out for me... divine intervention... the lord is on my side!", and when horrible schitt happens, like to this family, then it is the same excuses you just made. It's not his fault, he's helpless to do anything...

I query you this... if he made a law, why doesn't he enforce it?
If he created the world, much less the universe, why he can't keep some stinking apes from getting out of line?
You can't and don't get it both ways.
That makes absolutely no sense what so ever, but then you are an orange #4 trumper idiot, so you are used to ignoring reality and making schitt up.

You have fun with your god though, I don't mind.
I don't fear him, because he doesn't exist.
 
2020-05-06 10:08:26 PM  

fst_creeper: gar1013: But not one that would fly at my church, or most of the ones I have been to.

And when I say judge, this right here is what I am talking about.  YOU DON'T GET ANY SAY.  I had plenty of pseudo-pious asshats tell me what I was feeling was wrong instead of shutting up and letting me work through things.  But congrats, you did help decide my ultimate path.

gar1013: The world is a broken place that falls short of God's glory. God's plan doesn't involving inflicting suffering on people.

Those poor people were murdered. God specifically listed that as something that was against his law.

So is god all seeing and all knowing?  Is he infinitely powerful?  If the answer to either is yes, then by allowing it to happen he's at best an accessory to murder.  I'm pretty sure if God manifested himself all those years ago and said "Pam, that jackass is going to be here in an hour, get in the car and go to your mom's house ASAP!" even if she had thought she was seeing things she would have GTFO as the guy was clearly stalking her and she was jumpy at that point.  And/Or if god is all powerful I'm pretty sure one lightning bolt could have sorted it all out quickly to everyone's general satisfaction.

/Don't get me started on juvenile cancer and other painful and/or painful childhood afflictions.
//And you mention tests, you can go sit in the corner.  It is not necessary to test everything to the breaking point.
/// I have to testify before a parole board for that jackass next week.  I haven't been angry in years, but yay, I get to relive it all every two years for the rest of his life.  < Warning: Subject may be subject to moments of pure rage>


God gave us free will.

Someone chose to use that will for evil. That's his fault, not God's. That's what he will be held to account for on judgement day.

That same free will allows you to choose to love God or hate God.  That's your choice.

At the end of the day, God isn't about to stop you from exercising your free will.

Now, why doesn't he save everyone who is in danger? Good question.

Mankind invited suffering into this world, and God could snuff that out in an instant. Why doesn't he?  Good question.

If you knew the answer to those, would it really make a difference?  It doesn't bring anyone back, and it doesn't necessarily help heal the living.

If you had a relative die of illness, would it make you feel better to find out that a doctor had screwed up?  I'd probably rather not know that myself, but everyone's different.

The only one who is truly responsible for her death is sitting in jail at the moment. It might not be much consolation, but that's more than some people got.
 
2020-05-06 10:10:11 PM  

Percise1: gar1013: Percise1: Wow, that's soul crushing. Not sure where I would go from there...

The pitcher told Gore his faith in God has been his greatest comfort as he continues to heal from the devastating loss of his family.

I can say with certainty that this is NOT where I would go.
Last thing on the planet I would do is worship and pay homage to the farking prick that did that to me and my family. (divine plan and all)
Fark Hell NO!

That's one theological take on it.

But not one that would fly at my church, or most of the ones I have been to.

The world is a broken place that falls short of God's glory. God's plan doesn't involving inflicting suffering on people.

Those poor people were murdered. God specifically listed that as something that was against his law.

Meh... been through the religious crap and it really seemed like they pushed the whole "god is all powerful, all knowing, all seeing" stuff... he invented everything out of pure will after all.
So which is he? I'll tell you... when something good happens, it's "god is watching out for me... divine intervention... the lord is on my side!", and when horrible schitt happens, like to this family, then it is the same excuses you just made. It's not his fault, he's helpless to do anything...

I query you this... if he made a law, why doesn't he enforce it?
If he created the world, much less the universe, why he can't keep some stinking apes from getting out of line?
You can't and don't get it both ways.
That makes absolutely no sense what so ever, but then you are an orange #4 trumper idiot, so you are used to ignoring reality and making schitt up.

You have fun with your god though, I don't mind.
I don't fear him, because he doesn't exist.


Well, he does exist, and everyone will be judged.

What's really wacky is that he sent his Son to die for your sins, and to take your judgement.

How crazy is that - I mean, God ultimately loves people and wants to be reconciled with them.

That's the best kind of crazy.
 
2020-05-06 10:12:34 PM  

TWX: I'm sorry.  I don't believe the murder of my wife and child would strengthen any kind of belief in a deity.


Stockholm syndrome.
 
2020-05-06 10:13:05 PM  

etoof: Walker: Suspect found naked, first being chased by police, then chasing the police. Put Yakety Sax music behind the video here (SFW):

https://globalnews.ca/news/5825750/bla​ke-bivens-wife-child-killed-naked-arre​st/

They needed a tank and an armored vehicle for a manhunt?


Well, no, but how else are they supposed to justify ordering them?
 
2020-05-06 10:22:49 PM  

gar1013: Percise1: Wow, that's soul crushing. Not sure where I would go from there...

The pitcher told Gore his faith in God has been his greatest comfort as he continues to heal from the devastating loss of his family.

I can say with certainty that this is NOT where I would go.
Last thing on the planet I would do is worship and pay homage to the farking prick that did that to me and my family. (divine plan and all)
Fark Hell NO!

That's one theological take on it.

But not one that would fly at my church, or most of the ones I have been to.

The world is a broken place that falls short of God's glory. God's plan doesn't involving inflicting suffering on people.

Those poor people were murdered. God specifically listed that as something that was against his law.


Ok, but does god allow the suffering, or is he incapable of stopping it? If the former, then he's a monster, if the latter, how is he god?
 
2020-05-06 10:31:54 PM  

gar1013: fst_creeper: gar1013: But not one that would fly at my church, or most of the ones I have been to.

And when I say judge, this right here is what I am talking about.  YOU DON'T GET ANY SAY.  I had plenty of pseudo-pious asshats tell me what I was feeling was wrong instead of shutting up and letting me work through things.  But congrats, you did help decide my ultimate path.

gar1013: The world is a broken place that falls short of God's glory. God's plan doesn't involving inflicting suffering on people.

Those poor people were murdered. God specifically listed that as something that was against his law.

So is god all seeing and all knowing?  Is he infinitely powerful?  If the answer to either is yes, then by allowing it to happen he's at best an accessory to murder.  I'm pretty sure if God manifested himself all those years ago and said "Pam, that jackass is going to be here in an hour, get in the car and go to your mom's house ASAP!" even if she had thought she was seeing things she would have GTFO as the guy was clearly stalking her and she was jumpy at that point.  And/Or if god is all powerful I'm pretty sure one lightning bolt could have sorted it all out quickly to everyone's general satisfaction.

/Don't get me started on juvenile cancer and other painful and/or painful childhood afflictions.
//And you mention tests, you can go sit in the corner.  It is not necessary to test everything to the breaking point.
/// I have to testify before a parole board for that jackass next week.  I haven't been angry in years, but yay, I get to relive it all every two years for the rest of his life.  < Warning: Subject may be subject to moments of pure rage>

God gave us free will.

Someone chose to use that will for evil. That's his fault, not God's. That's what he will be held to account for on judgement day.

That same free will allows you to choose to love God or hate God.  That's your choice.

At the end of the day, God isn't about to stop you from exercising your free will.

Now, why doesn't he save everyone who is in danger? Good question.

Mankind invited suffering into this world, and God could snuff that out in an instant. Why doesn't he?  Good question.

If you knew the answer to those, would it really make a difference?  It doesn't bring anyone back, and it doesn't necessarily help heal the living.

If you had a relative die of illness, would it make you feel better to find out that a doctor had screwed up?  I'd probably rather not know that myself, but everyone's different.

The only one who is truly responsible for her death is sitting in jail at the moment. It might not be much consolation, but that's more than some people got.


Free will is a complete cop out excuse for christian apologists. Generally, the people who suffer are not the ones exercising their free will. They're the victim of some asshole and are otherwise innocent.

Suffering at the whims of a criminal, or abusive parent/partner doesn't build character, and the idea of god's love is a bunch of bullshiat spoonfed to peasants so they wouldn't overthrow the people oppressing them.

Every bit of christian theology is crafted to keep the poor and powerless quiet and in their place. Full stop.
 
2020-05-06 11:30:50 PM  

Snargi: It's a horrible feeling. Last year I found out about my best friend of over 25 years dying over Facebook. We hadn't talked in a couple weeks, I'm in California and he was in Colorado, and his sister posted on his account that he had died in his sleep. I talked to her and found out their mom was supposed to have called me up to tell me but the stress of his sudden passing caused her to die too, leaving his sister to make arrangements for both.


Yikes! 2 in one.

Something like this happened to me last week. Went to post something mildly humorous and found a message telling me that a friend of 20 years had died.I'm in Alaska and he was in Florida. Massive heart attack. He was found on the floor unresponsive on Tuesday evening and died a couple hours later. Found out first thing on Thursday. When my Mom died 5 years ago, I found Facebook to be very useful at getting the word out to a lot of people without having to tell the story over and over.
 
2020-05-07 1:03:24 AM  
I learned my father had died through a security gate speaker when I dropped by to visit.
The cartoon where a panel opens and the boxing glove on the spring flies out, hits and stuns the person: that would be an apt analogy.

Believe it or not, I had something semi-pertinent to share and tried to pull the burning wreckage back on the tracks.
Been a weird day.
 
2020-05-07 11:16:43 AM  
I worked in court for over 30 years. After seeing what people are capable of it changed my outlook on life.  Became an agnostic.  If anyone harmed my children or grandchildren, not sure if I would want to live after a loss like that.  Poor man, even years later that will be with him as long as lives.  That idiot was deranged.  I read somewhere life is to be lived no matter what happens.  While I agree, the pain is too great to bear for the rest of ones' life.  As I write this, I think of concentration camp survivors, who lived productive lives afterward.  Still, the pain must be unbearable.
 
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