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2020-05-06 3:43:04 PM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: If the Pentagon gets $1 trillion a year (on books and off), every year, how the fark does a country like China with a far smaller military budget outstrip the US in missiles, or in anything?  How is this not proof of massive systemic waste, fraud and abuse justifying a sharp reduction in the Pentagon's budget, and of conducting investigations and prison sentencing for corrupt actors in the US?


Partly it's because the US funds a global presence while the PRC mostly funds an Indo-Pacific presence.
 
2020-05-06 3:43:43 PM  

Percise1: . They have numbers, and some tech... that's about all.


That's all Hitler had.
He annex all of Europe!
Hell, if he'd not gone after Russia and if Japan had been less aggressive, he'd been in power for his whole life.
The US didn't care, for way too long. We even sent Jews back.
So yeah, I don't see why China couldn't do the same, if they decide to.
 
2020-05-06 3:47:35 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: waxbeans: Just ignore China's got factories it can change to anything they want to. They can hold up to a blockage.

Blockade. Not really. They still need to import oil and raw materials. They first have to overcome the problem that their currency is nonconvertible so they will have to burn through there forex reserves and gold. Then when you look at where they get their oil from only some of it is through non shipping means i.e. pipeline. And I don't think Russia is going to break their backs to export their oil to China.

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LOL. Something tells me their is more than one nation that would sell them oil. That are in their backyard.
 
2020-05-06 3:47:47 PM  

johnny_vegas: BolshyGreatYarblocks: If the Pentagon gets $1 trillion a year (on books and off), every year, how the fark does a country like China with a far smaller military budget outstrip the US in missiles, or in anything?  How is this not proof of massive systemic waste, fraud and abuse justifying a sharp reduction in the Pentagon's budget, and of conducting investigations and prison sentencing for corrupt actors in the US?

Partly it's because the US funds a global presence while the PRC mostly funds an Indo-Pacific presence.


Also partly because we have to pay engineers to design the things, and the CPC mostly just has to pay hackers to steal our designs.
 
2020-05-06 3:48:25 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: waxbeans: Just ignore China's got factories it can change to anything they want to. They can hold up to a blockage.

Blockade. Not really. They still need to import oil and raw materials. They first have to overcome the problem that their currency is nonconvertible so they will have to burn through there forex reserves and gold. Then when you look at where they get their oil from only some of it is through non shipping means i.e. pipeline. And I don't think Russia is going to break their backs to export their oil to China.

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No one in that graphic likes us. LOL.
 
2020-05-06 3:50:15 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: waxbeans: I've got 1000 dvdR of porn.
Enough porn to never see all of it in my life time .

A cautionary tale:

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That's why I have a Russian nesting doll series of fire proof boxes, and lock boxes and safes.
 
2020-05-06 3:54:36 PM  

waxbeans: Red Shirt Blues: waxbeans: Just ignore China's got factories it can change to anything they want to. They can hold up to a blockage.

Blockade. Not really. They still need to import oil and raw materials. They first have to overcome the problem that their currency is nonconvertible so they will have to burn through there forex reserves and gold. Then when you look at where they get their oil from only some of it is through non shipping means i.e. pipeline. And I don't think Russia is going to break their backs to export their oil to China.

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LOL. Something tells me their is more than one nation that would sell them oil. That are in their backyard.


You missed part of my point. How do they get it to their backyard? Look at that list. How many do not use sea lanes to export their oil to China? Sea Llanes that the USN would control.
 
2020-05-06 4:05:27 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: waxbeans: Red Shirt Blues: waxbeans: Just ignore China's got factories it can change to anything they want to. They can hold up to a blockage.

Blockade. Not really. They still need to import oil and raw materials. They first have to overcome the problem that their currency is nonconvertible so they will have to burn through there forex reserves and gold. Then when you look at where they get their oil from only some of it is through non shipping means i.e. pipeline. And I don't think Russia is going to break their backs to export their oil to China.

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LOL. Something tells me their is more than one nation that would sell them oil. That are in their backyard.

You missed part of my point. How do they get it to their backyard? Look at that list. How many do not use sea lanes to export their oil to China? Sea Llanes that the USN would control.


So you haven't heard of the people who will drive gas across borders for cash. And that same kind of crazy could bed done with oil.
 
2020-05-06 4:15:56 PM  

waxbeans: The Googles Do Nothing: If we are realistic we need to prepare for a military challenge from China.

How does one prepare for being attacked by a force that has up out numbered 10 to one?


Neutron bombs... nasty lil farkers that take out living tissue with a half life of 3 days
 
2020-05-06 4:17:09 PM  

johnny_vegas: BolshyGreatYarblocks: If the Pentagon gets $1 trillion a year (on books and off), every year, how the fark does a country like China with a far smaller military budget outstrip the US in missiles, or in anything?  How is this not proof of massive systemic waste, fraud and abuse justifying a sharp reduction in the Pentagon's budget, and of conducting investigations and prison sentencing for corrupt actors in the US?

Partly it's because the US funds a global presence while the PRC mostly funds an Indo-Pacific presence.


PRC is buying half of Africa... talk to the cabbies in Chicago ... the ones from Nigeria and other countries.. They will tell you China is invading.. .economically
 
2020-05-06 4:32:03 PM  

waxbeans: Marcus Aurelius: fredbox: Spending my childhood about 3 miles from a primary target, I definitely miss the adrenaline dump that came with any random set of headlights lighting up my bedroom window.

Duck and cover! and you'll be just fine.

/having a walk in fridge was also helpful

People watched the Abomb be sit off. So is it that far fetched?


It depends on how far away you are.
Genie Missile Test
Youtube 1VZ7FQHTaR4
 
2020-05-06 4:36:12 PM  

geggam: johnny_vegas: BolshyGreatYarblocks: If the Pentagon gets $1 trillion a year (on books and off), every year, how the fark does a country like China with a far smaller military budget outstrip the US in missiles, or in anything?  How is this not proof of massive systemic waste, fraud and abuse justifying a sharp reduction in the Pentagon's budget, and of conducting investigations and prison sentencing for corrupt actors in the US?

Partly it's because the US funds a global presence while the PRC mostly funds an Indo-Pacific presence.

PRC is buying half of Africa... talk to the cabbies in Chicago ... the ones from Nigeria and other countries.. They will tell you China is invading.. .economically


Been doing that for a long time, though that is not defense spending related. That's where the "partly" comes in particularly because of their anti-piracy patrols and relatively new base in Djibouti.
 
2020-05-06 4:47:53 PM  
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2020-05-06 5:14:31 PM  
Sina delenda est
 
2020-05-06 5:22:43 PM  

The Googles Do Nothing: If we are realistic we need to prepare for a military challenge from China.


TRUTH...shiatty, but TRUTH. We opened the world's sealanes to global commerce and have kept them open since 44 and the Bretton Woods conference. China used that.But now they want to dominate it all to another purpose. Sensible people don't have much faith in the benevolence of totalitarian regimes.
 
2020-05-06 5:32:17 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: waxbeans: Marcus Aurelius: fredbox: Spending my childhood about 3 miles from a primary target, I definitely miss the adrenaline dump that came with any random set of headlights lighting up my bedroom window.

Duck and cover! and you'll be just fine.

/having a walk in fridge was also helpful

People watched the Abomb be sit off. So is it that far fetched?

It depends on how far away you are.
[YouTube video: Genie Missile Test]


See. So doesn't this mean refrigerator is possible?
 
2020-05-06 5:34:04 PM  

dogsafark: The Googles Do Nothing: If we are realistic we need to prepare for a military challenge from China.

TRUTH...shiatty, but TRUTH. We opened the world's sealanes to global commerce and have kept them open since 44 and the Bretton Woods conference. China used that.But now they want to dominate it all to another purpose. Sensible people don't have much faith in the benevolence of totalitarian regimes.


LOL.
Like Facebook, Google, and Amazon are democracies?
Bow down to your new overlords you plebe. Corporate America is the new fiefdom

Enjoy the feudalism
 
2020-05-06 5:36:04 PM  

waxbeans: powhound: We lost the trade war, ain't no way no how anybody "wins" a land war in Asia, and what's left? Nuking the place?

I don't agree with the Chinese aggression against Taiwan and the local islands outside of their territorial waters. That's how Japan started their expansion. It needs to be curbed but at the table, not using a launch button. In other words we will need to wait until we have adults in the big house.

Why did we get in a trade war with people we've had business with since NIXON????? WTF?


it happened when businesses outsourced for cheap labor and now China has a one-source monopoly for the material production of lots of shiat, and for the CCP to enable their longevity, they're trying to dominate everything with the leverage that gives them.
 
2020-05-06 5:55:18 PM  

dogsafark: waxbeans: powhound: We lost the trade war, ain't no way no how anybody "wins" a land war in Asia, and what's left? Nuking the place?

I don't agree with the Chinese aggression against Taiwan and the local islands outside of their territorial waters. That's how Japan started their expansion. It needs to be curbed but at the table, not using a launch button. In other words we will need to wait until we have adults in the big house.

Why did we get in a trade war with people we've had business with since NIXON????? WTF?

it happened when businesses outsourced for cheap labor and now China has a one-source monopoly for the material production of lots of shiat, and for the CCP to enable their longevity, they're trying to dominate everything with the leverage that gives them.


Thanks business ppl. Good job.
 
2020-05-06 6:09:11 PM  

xanadian: toetag: xanadian: Davis-Monthan was less than a mile from where I lived

I had fun growing up.  Most of my time was spent int the "nuclear triangle" (DC - Richmond - Virginia Beach). I was 5-10 minutes from 3-4 bases, just over in Norfolk, many more Naval stations.

Then we moved to Germany. 1000's of Russian tanks ready to crash the borders.

/not sure if "nuclear triangle" is/was a thing. it's just what we called it.

The great thing about the County is just how damn f*cking close we are to Moscow.

/moose, potatoes and missiles


Btw, pretty sure I'm your neighbor.  EIP.
 
2020-05-06 6:44:39 PM  
"The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back, because, the Cold War's been over for 20 years."
---B. Hussein Obama
 
2020-05-06 6:49:09 PM  
If we go to war with China, so will India. They have had their own border conflicts and China has been trying to build a road to cut part of India off from the rest in the mountains. India has its own carrier and is building another IIRC.

Look, any war in that area involving China is going to quickly engulf all of Asia and the Pacific. Maybe a handful of small inaccessible (islands or mountain) countries will remain largely clear of participation but nobody there prefers China to the US except North Korea. The military junta ruling Myanmar held elections to get into Obama's good graces because China scared them so much. Vietnam, Thailand, even Cambodia would prefer to be on our side if a war broke out.

This could indeed become a different version of NATO. South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, Myanmar, India, Vietnam, Cambodia, the US, New Zealand, Papau New Guinea, and those are the ones that favor us more than they favor China. Philippines and Indonesia are much more likely to avoid such entanglements with us I think, both are rather reluctant to be seen in our company.

To say all of this rests on the US is kind of...well, insulting to the other countries over there to whom China poses an existential risk. We sell our weapons to many of these countries because of the threat China poses to them. They would be the front lines. Sure, we bring a LOT to the table but without having the other countries there we wouldn't even be discussing this stuff. We'd have one really feasible way to respond to Chinese aggression.
 
2020-05-06 7:45:46 PM  

docilej: "The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back, because, the Cold War's been over for 20 years."
---B. Hussein Obama


that was easily the dumbest, most short sighted thing he ever said...or that Valarie Jarrett told him to.
 
2020-05-06 8:10:44 PM  

BolloxReader: This could indeed become a different version of NATO. South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, Myanmar, India, Vietnam, Cambodia, the US, New Zealand, Papau New Guinea, and those are the ones that favor us more than they favor China. Philippines and Indonesia are much more likely to avoid such entanglements with us I think, both are rather reluctant to be seen in our company.


We'd need to update the name to reflect the fact that it's in South East Asia, though. Hmm... something along the lines of TOSEA, the Treaty Organization of South East Asia.
 
2020-05-06 8:43:53 PM  
BolloxReader:This could indeed become a different version of NATO. South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, Myanmar, India, Vietnam, Cambodia, the US, New Zealand, Papau New Guinea, and those are the ones that favor us more than they favor China.

The Pacific Ocean Trade And Treaty Organization

POTATO.
 
2020-05-06 11:06:20 PM  

powhound: We lost the trade war, ain't no way no how anybody "wins" a land war in Asia, and what's left? Nuking the place?

I don't agree with the Chinese aggression against Taiwan and the local islands outside of their territorial waters. That's how Japan started their expansion. It needs to be curbed but at the table, not using a launch button. In other words we will need to wait until we have adults in the big house.


The military is diplomatic tool. "Walk softly and carry a big stick."

Unfortunately half the country thinks the tool in the White House is the best president ever...
 
2020-05-07 12:35:54 AM  

waxbeans: Marine1: OldJames: We can win a missile war, but not a land war
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I read the article (yes, I know, I'll flog myself here shortly) but the idea would be to not get in any land wars, but basically turn it into a naval engagement with the help of the Taiwanese and Japanese. Without a good blue-water navy, the Chinese would basically be cut off from doing anything outside of their own country.

It's going to take a NATO-like organization in Asia and the Pacific to force a reformist stance in Beijing. We have someone utterly incapable of making that happen in the White House right now.

Just ignore China's got factories it can change to anything they want to. They can hold up to a blockage.


The problem is..All their crap would then be made cheaply in Chinese factories...THEN WHAT? :D

/Chinese Newspaper pork roll?
// cooked in reclaimed fat from the sewers
/// ew
 
2020-05-07 2:55:32 AM  

BolloxReader: If we go to war with China, so will India. They have had their own border conflicts and China has been trying to build a road to cut part of India off from the rest in the mountains. India has its own carrier and is building another IIRC.



And since most of them are Hindu..They have zero farks to give, they believe in re-incarnation...
 
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