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(Snopes)   It appears that the MAGA crowd was so invested in their fish-tank cleaner as the micracle cure for Coronavirus, that now that we have an ACTUAL drug that is effective against it, they've launched massive conspiracy theories to discredit it   (snopes.com) divider line
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2020-05-06 11:09:01 AM  
If your doctor is listening to some rando or following conspiracy theories for medical care advice then I think you have bigger problems.
 
2020-05-06 1:05:52 PM  
What's funny is that the opposite is more likely true.
 
2020-05-06 1:05:53 PM  
...and they won't take the vaccine either apparently.

Again: why hasn't someone spread the rumor that the Libs don't want them drinking drain cleaner, and just take this whole thing to its logical conclusion, and even maybe bring up the national average IQ up by a few points?
 
2020-05-06 1:24:22 PM  
Sometimes I wish snopes would be back on some stuff, but then I realize the people who would fall for this assume snopes is part of the conspiracy, so godspeed in saving the ones that can be saved.
 
2020-05-06 1:41:25 PM  

hubiestubert: ...and they won't take the vaccine either apparently.

Again: why hasn't someone spread the rumor that the Libs don't want them drinking drain cleaner, and just take this whole thing to its logical conclusion, and even maybe bring up the national average IQ up by a few points?


Pandemics are nature's way of thinning the herd. Why not maximize this opportunity?
 
2020-05-06 1:52:01 PM  
Awww. I'm all broke up about it.
 
2020-05-06 1:59:13 PM  

koder: Sometimes I wish snopes would be back on some stuff, but then I realize the people who would fall for this assume snopes is part of the conspiracy, so godspeed in saving the ones that can be saved.


Back when my family still talked to me I got a FW:FW:FW:Fw:Re:Fwd:FW: YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS!!!!1!!1!one!! that explained how Snopes was a George Soros-funded website designed to discredit anything that Real Americans knew was true.
 
2020-05-06 2:16:07 PM  
I'm fine with allowing people take what they think will help them.

I'll take what medical professionals test and recommend.  And they can take whatever quack cure is being pushed by the right wing noise machine.
 
2020-05-06 2:23:27 PM  
Yes, you must have missed the part where they're brain dead stupid, subby. Keep up.
 
2020-05-06 2:23:33 PM  

fredbox: koder: Sometimes I wish snopes would be back on some stuff, but then I realize the people who would fall for this assume snopes is part of the conspiracy, so godspeed in saving the ones that can be saved.

Back when my family still talked to me I got a FW:FW:FW:Fw:Re:Fwd:FW: YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS!!!!1!!1!one!! that explained how Snopes was a George Soros-funded website designed to discredit anything that Real Americans knew was true.


Your family really hates Jews, don't they?
 
2020-05-06 2:24:19 PM  
I would have to say that trumplicans have shown their true value as lie detectors.  If they believe something, it's a lie.  They seem to be 100% accurate.
 
2020-05-06 2:26:04 PM  

LL316: fredbox: koder: Sometimes I wish snopes would be back on some stuff, but then I realize the people who would fall for this assume snopes is part of the conspiracy, so godspeed in saving the ones that can be saved.

Back when my family still talked to me I got a FW:FW:FW:Fw:Re:Fwd:FW: YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS!!!!1!!1!one!! that explained how Snopes was a George Soros-funded website designed to discredit anything that Real Americans knew was true.

Your family really hates Jews, don't they?


My family that are part of the Trump cult hate everyone, up to and including themselves. They're just little fat hate filled flesh bags at this point. I honestly have asked them what they don't hate and they haven't had a meaningful answer.
 
2020-05-06 2:26:05 PM  
How I feel about conservative conspiracy theory morons who will end up probably dying from swallowing their own bullshiat:

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/antivaxxers can EABOD, too
 
2020-05-06 2:26:52 PM  
My god, they are so single minded it is insane. Stupid cult is stupid
 
2020-05-06 2:27:08 PM  
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2020-05-06 2:27:49 PM  

hubiestubert: ...and they won't take the vaccine either apparently.

Again: why hasn't someone spread the rumor that the Libs don't want them drinking drain cleaner, and just take this whole thing to its logical conclusion, and even maybe bring up the national average IQ up by a few points?


We already tried that with bleach and other household disinfectants, it's not as effective a strategy as one might've thought...
=Smidge=
 
2020-05-06 2:28:38 PM  
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2020-05-06 2:29:06 PM  
I can't imagine living in a world where everything is a conspiracy to end your rights, religion, and country. Furthermore, I can't imagine what its like to truly, in your deepest heart of hearts, believe that Donald Trump is the only person keeping you safe and your vision of the country safe.

I can't imagine living in a world where everyone is wrong. Everyone, but the leader and his vision.

I used to think that a lot of people in North Korea didn't truly believe in Kim Jung Il's nonsense. Now, I know, that there are always people who will be susceptible to propaganda and lies. At what point do they stop being a lost cause?
 
2020-05-06 2:29:28 PM  
Them ((people)) that done run them pharma companies juss want MONEY. Also liberals are communists and hate capitalism. Now pass me an oxy
 
2020-05-06 2:30:28 PM  
Conspiracy theories like he FDA changed the rules to clear it by ignoring deaths and ventilator patients and only looking at the good outcomes?
 
2020-05-06 2:30:37 PM  

sammyk: hubiestubert: ...and they won't take the vaccine either apparently.

Again: why hasn't someone spread the rumor that the Libs don't want them drinking drain cleaner, and just take this whole thing to its logical conclusion, and even maybe bring up the national average IQ up by a few points?

Pandemics are nature's way of thinning the herd. Why not maximize this opportunity?


Because it is not selective.
 
2020-05-06 2:32:19 PM  
all this is so predictable and so sad
 
2020-05-06 2:35:54 PM  
...only in the twisted minds of dumbf#cks that use the term MAGAts.

The only people I've seen discrediting the drug (and the company that makes it) are the #stay-home-forever and #kill-the-economy lazy MFers right here in the Fark Pol tab.
 
2020-05-06 2:36:24 PM  

hubiestubert: ...and they won't take the vaccine either apparently.

Again: why hasn't someone spread the rumor that the Libs don't want them drinking drain cleaner, and just take this whole thing to its logical conclusion, and even maybe bring up the national average IQ up by a few points?


Because you can never bring up the national average IQ ;-)

/ I like the other part, though
 
2020-05-06 2:37:44 PM  
It would be hilarious if Obama was front and center in promoting the cure for Covid 19, as it would also cure our society as the Trumpers would refuse to take it. Like hitting two derpers with one giant stone
 
2020-05-06 2:39:35 PM  
They just know a vaccine will be useless against the 5G. Duh.
 
2020-05-06 2:43:40 PM  
Another Mikey took a knife while arguing in traffic
Flipper died a natural death, he caught a nasty virus
Then there was the ever present football player-rapist
They were all in love with dyin', they were doin' it in Texas
 
2020-05-06 2:43:42 PM  
does remdesivir even really work? isn't it like it causes a 30% improvement? well, if it can do that, as opposed to hydroxychloroquine causing a 30% HIGHER mortality rate than "standard care" that's certainly something.


perhaps the magats can do a simple test, they can all take large, large doses of hydroxychloroquine (the real med, the states have tons of it now) and document what happens to them on social media.

they can prove their point once and for all that way! what are they waiting for?
 
2020-05-06 2:46:57 PM  
There is a theory that the Renaissance was caused by a depletion of the population with the black death leading to peasants being able to demand slightly humane working conditions and allowing for an abundance of resources to the survivors promoting a class of people who could just think about things.

Considering recent events however maybe the truth is more straightforward. All the dumb people kept having house parties and refusing to take any safety measures while disbelieving anything that could actually work to keep you alive. Thus the majority of stupid people died off letting there be more people who actually thought about things before doing them.
 
2020-05-06 2:46:59 PM  

LL316: fredbox: koder: Sometimes I wish snopes would be back on some stuff, but then I realize the people who would fall for this assume snopes is part of the conspiracy, so godspeed in saving the ones that can be saved.

Back when my family still talked to me I got a FW:FW:FW:Fw:Re:Fwd:FW: YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS!!!!1!!1!one!! that explained how Snopes was a George Soros-funded website designed to discredit anything that Real Americans knew was true.

Your family really hates Jews, don't they?


IDK, but I do have a foreskin, so ...
 
2020-05-06 2:47:41 PM  

numbers17: I can't imagine living in a world where everything is a conspiracy to end your rights, religion, and country. Furthermore, I can't imagine what its like to truly, in your deepest heart of hearts, believe that Donald Trump is the only person keeping you safe and your vision of the country safe.

I can't imagine living in a world where everyone is wrong. Everyone, but the leader and his vision.

I used to think that a lot of people in North Korea didn't truly believe in Kim Jung Il's nonsense. Now, I know, that there are always people who will be susceptible to propaganda and lies. At what point do they stop being a lost cause?


It's a few things.

Folks enjoy being "in the know".  It gives them the power of secret knowledge, where no matter how shiatty their world is, they'll know who's REALLY to blame.

People enjoy being scared.  This is a real life horror movie.  And everyone knows a horror movie has heroes, right?  Sure, their hero is a fat orange sack of shiat, but that's not what they see.

These people truly hate 'the other', and this plague is a chance to hate.  They get to hate China.  They get to hate the libs.  They get to hate local government for destroying the economy.

As to when you give up on them, that's up to you.  Personally, I tend to view it as an age thing.  The older you are and clinging to these beliefs, the less I'm willing to spend time on arguing with them.  If they haven't figured their shiat out yet, probably not gonna do so.
 
2020-05-06 2:48:41 PM  

numbers17: At what point do they stop being a lost cause?


When they're dead.
 
2020-05-06 2:48:43 PM  

ssa5: It would be hilarious if Obama was front and center in promoting the cure for Covid 19, as it would also cure our society as the Trumpers would refuse to take it. Like hitting two derpers with one giant stone


Or conversely, none of this would have happened if he hadn't made fun of the birther thing at the WHCA dinner that one year. THANKS OBAMA.
 
2020-05-06 2:49:59 PM  

fredbox: koder: Sometimes I wish snopes would be back on some stuff, but then I realize the people who would fall for this assume snopes is part of the conspiracy, so godspeed in saving the ones that can be saved.

Back when my family still talked to me I got a FW:FW:FW:Fw:Re:Fwd:FW: YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS!!!!1!!1!one!! that explained how Snopes was a George Soros-funded website designed to discredit anything that Real Americans knew was true.


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2020-05-06 2:55:24 PM  

luna1580: does remdesivir even really work? isn't it like it causes a 30% improvement? well, if it can do that, as opposed to hydroxychloroquine causing a 30% HIGHER mortality rate than "standard care" that's certainly something.


perhaps the magats can do a simple test, they can all take large, large doses of hydroxychloroquine (the real med, the states have tons of it now) and document what happens to them on social media.

they can prove their point once and for all that way! what are they waiting for?


Impact on mortality isn't yet known, but it did get people out of the hospital ~30% faster, which in and of itself is huge, b/c it helps make sure the hospitals don't get overwhelmed. 30% may not seem like a lot, but if you were about to get overwhelmed by patients, it means now 1/3 of the beds are free.
 
2020-05-06 2:56:01 PM  

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You don't know it, but this picture is secretly the big reason our nation is having such a problem with this pandemic...

Lemme explain...

This image is from some TV or Movie, and one of the big things Hollywood writers LOOOOOVE write about is how government agencies, ESPECIALLY the CDC are more about coverups and misinformation than helping.

It's almost guaranteed that every single tv show or movie that deals with some sort of pandemic, virus, illness, outbreak, or parasite, including ones that make zombies and vampires, make the CDC (or leadership of the CDC) out to be some shadow government agency that is there to cover up these things or to spread propaganda when the government does something else shady and needs to use a virus as a cover up for their evil deeds...

And because the weak minded are easily manipulated by fiction into believing there's truth to it, then when a real problem comes up, you have resistance to agencies like the CDC ingrained in everyone's head that they make the situation worse...

See: This dumbass timeline
 
2020-05-06 3:03:57 PM  
Can we stop falling for this bullshiat? This is Russian disinformation designed to make us want to eliminate all Republicans. I mean, we should do that anyway, but not by falling for the disinfo.
 
2020-05-06 3:06:01 PM  
Yes, Please!

DO THAT. Swear never to take any treatment other than HCQ because it's all a liberal conspiracy.
 
2020-05-06 3:06:11 PM  
If I was sleazy big city con artist, going into politics, I'd definitely pick the republican base. Tell them that they are the only real patriotic Americans and how you are going to vanquish their imagined enemies, and they'll believe anything. Hillary should have called them the gullibles.
 
2020-05-06 3:23:14 PM  
Meanwhile, in Senegal:

Senegal trials begin for $1 COVID-19 test kit
Youtube YyZ626TsfBU


Most of you are imbeciles.
 
Juc
2020-05-06 3:25:58 PM  
Well let's not get crazy it's not like the drugs a cure it just helps people recover faster
 
2020-05-06 3:26:22 PM  

Felgraf: Impact on mortality isn't yet known, but it did get people out of the hospital ~30% faster, which in and of itself is huge, b/c it helps make sure the hospitals don't get overwhelmed.


All human studies have midpoint reviews, where a separate group from the actual study conducting group looks at results so far to see if either one of the defined midpoints was found (thus, the therapy appears to be effective and withholding it from the control group now is unethical) or if there's signs of excessive morbidity/mortality (thus, continuing the therapy is inhumane.)

The endpoints (read, what the study defined as tests indicating the treatment was helping.)

1) A reduction of hospital stays >24 hours, with p<=0.05
2) A "significant" reduction of mortality, with p<=0.05

The second is written that way because when they proposed the study they didn't know how many patients would be part of it, thus they didn't want to directly define a percentage until they knew N. I've heard that the defined reduction ended up being 1.2%, but I haven't seen a hard source for that number. Still, 1.2% sounds like good news to me.

At the first review, the review group called the study team and said "You have reached an endpoint." In particular, they were showing ~90 hour reductions in hospital stays with a p value of 0.001. They also mentioned that they were showing a 3% reduction in fatalities over the control, but it had not met the endpoint criteria because the p value was 0.056, which is worse - yes, just barely worse - than <=0.05, thus, it technically didn't meet the endpoint.

However, meeting the first endpoint was enough to end the study.

What this study told us.

1) People in the hospital (that is, ill enough from C19 to need to stay in a hospital) stayed an average of almost 4 days, with strong significance.

2) They also appeared less likely to die, but they didn't reach 95% confidence that the result was real and not just chance, so we can't state that they showed reduced mortality. It might be luck. More importantly, they very clearly did not show increased mortality or morbidity.

There are lots this doesn't tell us.

1) How effective in just ICU cases? (They might have data on this but they haven't released anything.)
2) How effective is it in mild illness (can it reduce or at least limit progression.)
3) How effective is it in asymptomatic illness.

The last two were simply not part of the study, so we can't make ANY judgements on those. The fact that it appears to help sick patients is promising, most antivirals do better against mild illness than major (IOW, they limit progression to severe disease.) But this dealt with hospital patients, we're already in the major to severe category.

But unlike every "positive" HCQ trial I've seen, this trial was random double-blind placebo controlled, and it clearly showed one benefit so strongly that they halted the trial - you spend less days in the hospital, without a significant increase in mortality or morbidity. There appears to be no selection issues (picking only cases likely to do well) or rejection issues (rejecting/removing from the study cases that do poorly.)

Until we see the final paper, however, we won't know if there is some other issue that would call into question the results.
 
2020-05-06 3:32:11 PM  
I have not seen anyone say that Remdesivir is an effective treatment. Is there a ink for that?
 
2020-05-06 3:36:23 PM  
I just hope we get the mircracle we're all hoping for in November, that way we can actually address this problem like adults in late January 2021.

/no matter how likely it may seem, it'll still feel like a mircracle when it happens.
//not hoping, but working for a mircracle.
///third mircracle slashie.
 
2020-05-06 3:40:52 PM  

Program User: I just hope we get the mircracle we're all hoping for in November, that way we can actually address this problem like adults in late January 2021.

/no matter how likely it may seem, it'll still feel like a mircracle when it happens.
//not hoping, but working for a mircracle.
///third mircracle slashie.


Interesting... why not sooner than November? What happens in November that'd make you want a miracle afterwards?
 
2020-05-06 3:42:50 PM  
There is a distinct effort out there, by the Russians colluding with the GOP and conservatives to put out as much discord as they possibly can in the USA.

These are enemies of democracy. It is going to come to blood, mark my words.
 
2020-05-06 3:45:19 PM  

penetrating_virga: Program User: I just hope we get the mircracle we're all hoping for in November, that way we can actually address this problem like adults in late January 2021.

/no matter how likely it may seem, it'll still feel like a mircracle when it happens.
//not hoping, but working for a mircracle.
///third mircracle slashie.

Interesting... why not sooner than November? What happens in November that'd make you want a miracle afterwards?


We know you are a moron, you don't need to prove it to us.
 
2020-05-06 3:48:03 PM  

ToeKnee666: Another Mikey took a knife while arguing in traffic
Flipper died a natural death, he caught a nasty virus
Then there was the ever present football player-rapist
They were all in love with dyin', they were doin' it in Texas


G-berg and Georgie let their facemasks go rotten
So they died of Coronavirus in upper Manhattan
Sly in Reopen Michigan took  his own bullet in the head
Bobby OD'd on Drano on because the president said
They were two more FB friends of mine They DIED

Those are Gooper's who died, died
Those are Gooper's who died, died
Those are Gooper's who died, died
Those are Gooper's who died, died
 
2020-05-06 3:50:12 PM  

numbers17: I can't imagine living in a world where everything is a conspiracy to end your rights, religion, and country. Furthermore, I can't imagine what its like to truly, in your deepest heart of hearts, believe that Donald Trump is the only person keeping you safe and your vision of the country safe.

I can't imagine living in a world where everyone is wrong. Everyone, but the leader and his vision.

I used to think that a lot of people in North Korea didn't truly believe in Kim Jung Il's nonsense. Now, I know, that there are always people who will be susceptible to propaganda and lies. At what point do they stop being a lost cause?


When they stop flying Confederate Flags?
 
2020-05-06 3:51:07 PM  

luna1580: does remdesivir even really work? isn't it like it causes a 30% improvement? well, if it can do that, as opposed to hydroxychloroquine causing a 30% HIGHER mortality rate than "standard care" that's certainly something.


perhaps the magats can do a simple test, they can all take large, large doses of hydroxychloroquine (the real med, the states have tons of it now) and document what happens to them on social media.

they can prove their point once and for all that way! what are they waiting for?


As of 3 weeks ago, Remsidvir has good "anecdotal results", but the didn't have enough cases to run clinical trials. Apparently they've been working on that. Its claim to fame is that it has caused rapid recovery to full health among those with a confirmed case of CV19
 
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