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2020-05-05 9:44:27 PM  

Dallymo: DoBeDoBeLurk: mottsnil: Wow, who the hell are you using to do your grocery shopping, because they sound like the company to definitely avoid. Personally, I use Shipt. Sometimes, but not often they have to substitute an item no big deal usually one brand over another. I was iffy the first time I ordered produce but they did a wonderful job of picking it and each and every delivery person has been very friendly, punctual and cool. Never had one complaint about my order.  I feel fortunate in that aspect   I'm not sure if they have a rating system on their side to rate their customers and if so that could play a role in it as I tipped very wellnm in cash upon delivery before this GD crisis because I'm grateful to not have to deal with the grocery shopping. It's my  most dreaded chore. I'd rather scrub ten dirty toilets.

I think they're partnered with ClickList, but it's the responsibility of the grocery's employees to fill the orders and the store itself to maintain the site where I order (and the site is its own nightmare maze of errors and outages, they were not ready for this). My nearest markets that do pickup are all Fry's, which is otherwise known as Kroger.

I have to make it clear that it is not at all the fault of the people who are risking their lives so I can have fresh produce. They are not getting paid nearly enough and they are understaffed and doing their best. This is a management thing. The apples that went brown were stored improperly, either too cold or too much CO2, and they should not have been put out for sale in the first place. Eggs break and the folks at the store are filling multiple orders and don't have time to open every carton and wiggle 'em like I would. Nor do they know how fast my two-person household is going to use a given item so they can pick the one with the best date. And because of the online interface and store policy, they aren't allowed to make common sense substitutions - again, like I would.

The upshot is I'm going to go into a store wit ...

I use ClickList for Fred Meyer (also a Kroger store) and it has a little notes section for each item where I can add things like "on the greenish side" for bananas or "do not substitute Heritage Farms" for chicken or "OK to substitute any flavor of brownie mix as long as it's Betty Crocker."

But you're right; you're sort of at the mercy of whoever's filling the order.  I know my local store has been hammered with pickup orders, and they've been scrambling to expand their pickup staff.  They've been out of lots of stuff; this last week I only had one thing completely unavailable, but before that it was pretty slim pickings.


Please be kind to your Clicklist people. My son's girlfriend does  Clicklist at the Wilsonville Freddy's for a living. She lives with us, so I hear all the horror stories and see how exhausted she is.
 
2020-05-05 9:46:01 PM  

brap: It's weird getting a medical test and being disappointed that you didn't have something.


There's still time, we're all pulling for you!
 
2020-05-05 9:51:26 PM  

markie_farkie: Welcome back from the brink!

A co-worker got it after attending the RSA conference this spring, and his experience mirrored yours almost to the T.

He commented that he felt like someone had beaten him with a 500 lb sack of shiat until he was a bloody pulp inside a skin suit.

Hopefully you continue to recover and there's no permanent damage to your fleshy bits.


Do they pay crisis actors very well?
/Had to do it, sry
 
2020-05-05 9:52:12 PM  

NetOwl: You're now the second person I've heard who has had COVID-19 and who got shingles.

It's likely this is a coincidence, since those aren't caused by the same virus, but I have heard it more than once now.  Shingles apparently has something to do with stress, which could explain it.


I've heard covid19 suppresses immune response at some stages.  Don't know if it's true.
 
2020-05-05 9:54:06 PM  

LoneVVolf: There's still time, we're all pulling for you!


Thanks, my aching arm and penis appreciates it.
 
2020-05-05 9:57:59 PM  
Glad you are on the mend.  I had a suspected bout in March.  Dry tickle cough, fever, got knocked on my butt for about 5 days of solid sleep.  I would not wish that on anyone.

Waiting for all the internet doctors to take a break from Meal Team 6 to bash the masks and all other precautions. .  I would rather take a slight precaution than walk around naked with everyone pissing on each other.
 
2020-05-05 9:59:25 PM  

Znuh: namegoeshere: I had this exactly. But tested negative, twice. The flu-like crap only lasted one day. My lungs have felt... heavy, maybe? since then. Like the air is weird. But I assume I am oxygenating fine as I've been running. Slowly, but I could do 5K. The dry cough is still here.

I have no idea if I've had it or not.

I'm going to sound like a cracked record, and I swear I don't have stock in these companies - get a Pulse Oximeter. The Doctor was telling me how he had patients coming in with 50% O2 processing capability. He said they should technically be dead, but there they are, watching TV and playing with their phones. 

COVID slowly screwed up their ability to process oxygen into their bloodstream (and remove CO2) to the point they didn't notice. 

You should be getting Oxygen if you drop to 89%. Having the PulseOx means you can instantly tell if you're OK, or if you need to go to the Emergency Room. 

You also might be completely over it, and just had a glancing blow. They can now test for antibodies to see if this is the case. 

Either way, if you get shortness of breath, tightness in your chest, please go to the hospital.


Hi -

Truly glad you pulled through!  It was nice of you to post your experience.  Thanks for that!

I'm wondering about the breathing exercises.  Was it just the spirometer that you used or something else?  I've heard other people talk about lying on their stomach and doing breathing exercises.  Is this what you did?

Your "tea-colored urine" was your liver failing/trying to fail because of the inflammation.

Do you know your wife's blood type?  I saw your reference above to certain folks with certain blood types being more susceptible.  Wondering why she didn't get it and you did.

Also wondering if you know statistics in the county where you live.  Was there an outbreak where you live at the time?

The ghost noises were hilarious.  Thanks for that.  Hoping you feel back to normal soon.

:D
 
2020-05-05 10:00:16 PM  

brap: LoneVVolf: There's still time, we're all pulling for you!

Thanks, my aching arm and penis appreciates it.


Choke-your-ona virus has completely different symptoms, but you knew that already...
 
2020-05-05 10:01:11 PM  
Znuh, thanks so much, that was really well written. I've read three other first person accounts of medium-severe cases, one from a doctor, and I think yours is the most informative. All have different details and suggestions that have value, as the disease took slightly different courses. The one common theme that I think is a bit underreported in casual accounts is how it keeps intermittently kicking your ass, to varying degrees, weeks after the initial onset of symptoms. I hope your bad days continue to improve until you're completely recovered.
 
2020-05-05 10:07:12 PM  

angiemama: Hi -

Truly glad you pulled through!  It was nice of you to post your experience.  Thanks for that!

I'm wondering about the breathing exercises.  Was it just the spirometer that you used or something else?  I've heard other people talk about lying on their stomach and doing breathing exercises.  Is this what you did?


Sure thing. When I mentioned that Mom was an RN, she was an RN in England. My friend KP shared the breathing exercises from Queen's Hospital in England - and Mom instantly knew the place and said Queen's was legit. 

These exercises were built on exercises to help people with COPD. Be forewarned, have a spittoon or bottle to catch what comes out of your lungs, as it very much works - particularly when you're lying on your stomach. 

Secondly, an Inspired Spirometer has proven to be very helpful to expand my lungs and improve my lung capacity. You can find these on eBay and Amazon too if your PCP gives you issues. 

Catch what comes up, toss it in the toilet and try to sterilize the bottle you're using to catch your sputum.

Doctor Sarfaraz Munshi at Queens Hospital in the UK advises on corona virus breathing technique
Youtube HwLzAdriec0



Your "tea-colored urine" was your liver failing/trying to fail because of the inflammation.

That's horrifying! Glad that urine is now back to normal. 

Do you know your wife's blood type?  I saw your reference above to certain folks with certain blood types being more susceptible.  Wondering why she didn't get it and you did.

Apparently it's a huge mystery to a lot of professionals. We just don't know why it glances off some people, turns others into asymptomatic carriers, and then whomps other people. 

Don't know her blood type off the top my my head, which is bad. I'll fix that. I can't remember if I'm AB+ or AB-.

Also wondering if you know statistics in the county where you live.  Was there an outbreak where you live at the time?

I live in Cumberland County in Portland. Can't find the Maine CDC stats on my phone, but that should be easily Googlable. 

The ghost noises were hilarious.  Thanks for that.  Hoping you feel back to normal soon.

I was genuinely mortified when I heard about the sheet. Then I thought, "Well, it might give the staff a laugh", which is why I did it. That and I was still horrified about what things held. 

Thanks, I hope my summary helps  :)
 
2020-05-05 10:10:32 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Man On Pink Corner: erik-k: Put it this way: if infection didn't confer some duration of immunity nobody in a covid ward would ever recover because everyone would be continuously re-infected by each other.

There are increasing indications that there's more than one COVID bug going around.  IANAD, but I've thought this was more or less obvious from the beginning.

If true, that both explains a lot of things, and changes a lot of things.

There is a mutation map showing the strains across the globe, and the east coast strain is indeed different from the west coast rendition.


West Coast is Best Coast.
 
2020-05-05 10:13:23 PM  
mottsnil:Choke-your-ona virus has completely different symptoms, but you knew that already...

Can't you see I'm busy social distancing?  Doesn't anyone knock anymore?
 
2020-05-05 10:14:47 PM  

Znuh: angiemama: Hi -

Truly glad you pulled through!  It was nice of you to post your experience.  Thanks for that!

I'm wondering about the breathing exercises.  Was it just the spirometer that you used or something else?  I've heard other people talk about lying on their stomach and doing breathing exercises.  Is this what you did?

Sure thing. When I mentioned that Mom was an RN, she was an RN in England. My friend KP shared the breathing exercises from Queen's Hospital in England - and Mom instantly knew the place and said Queen's was legit. 

These exercises were built on exercises to help people with COPD. Be forewarned, have a spittoon or bottle to catch what comes out of your lungs, as it very much works - particularly when you're lying on your stomach. 

Secondly, an Inspired Spirometer has proven to be very helpful to expand my lungs and improve my lung capacity. You can find these on eBay and Amazon too if your PCP gives you issues. 

Catch what comes up, toss it in the toilet and try to sterilize the bottle you're using to catch your sputum.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/HwLzAdri​ec0]


Your "tea-colored urine" was your liver failing/trying to fail because of the inflammation.

That's horrifying! Glad that urine is now back to normal. 

Do you know your wife's blood type?  I saw your reference above to certain folks with certain blood types being more susceptible.  Wondering why she didn't get it and you did.

Apparently it's a huge mystery to a lot of professionals. We just don't know why it glances off some people, turns others into asymptomatic carriers, and then whomps other people. 

Don't know her blood type off the top my my head, which is bad. I'll fix that. I can't remember if I'm AB+ or AB-.

Also wondering if you know statistics in the county where you live.  Was there an outbreak where you live at the time?

I live in Cumberland County in Portland. Can't find the Maine CDC stats on my phone, but that should be easily Googlable. 

T ...


Saw that you had posted the video earlier.  Thanks!  Also, I'll look up what's going on in Maine.  Regarding the ghost noises, I'm a healthcare worker, and believe me, these days we are ALL looking for a laugh.  :)  Probably somebody had a grand idea to cover you up.  That is absolutely mortifying and I can't believe they did that, but you certainly handled it well!

Thanks again.
 
2020-05-05 10:15:09 PM  

geoduck42: DoBeDoBeLurk: The upshot is I'm going to go into a store with my mask on tonight and just try to get a baseline on how much extra time it takes me to do a real shopping. I try to keep away from people, but they don't always do that for me (I live in a red state) and I know this is a risk. I don't want to maybe kill someone's Nana because it bothers me to buy eggs and throw away 1/4 to 1/2 of them. It's just really hard to quantify how much more of a risk I'm taking.

A suggestion: If you can, go first thing in the morning when the store opens. There will probably be fewer people, and the shelves will probably be stocked as best as they are going to be all day.


I've tried going first thing Saturday morning, and an hour before they close on Friday night.

The shelves are generally well stocked on Saturday morning, but you need to get done quickly because the place starts filling up fast.

Late Friday nights there's barely anybody there so you don't have to rush.  The shelves aren't as well stocked but you'll generally get what you need.

And with it being Texas less than half of the people are wearing masks, of course.
 
2020-05-05 10:17:22 PM  
Glad you made it back from the brink.

Curious what your demo is. Age, pre-existing etc.
 
2020-05-05 10:24:43 PM  

pushthelimits: Please be kind to your Clicklist people. My son's girlfriend does  Clicklist at the Wilsonville Freddy's for a living. She lives with us, so I hear all the horror stories and see how exhausted she is.


Yes!  They are doing the best they can in a very trying time.  My husband does pickup duty for us and he said at our last pickup on Friday that the woman in the next car was being really snippy about all of her order not being filled.  Lady, there's a pandemic on.  Have you seen the shelves in the store?  By all means, go in there and forage for your groceries yourself.  Freddy's is not even charging the usual $4.95 fee for pickup.  We've been doing Clicklist for about three years and it's been worth every penny of the pickup fee to avoid the weekly grind, but it's great that they are incentivizing it by waiving the fee now.

The first few weeks of the shutdown were brutal for scheduling a pickup; I ended up having to get online first thing when I woke up to snag a spot a full week out.  This last time they had slots available within a couple of days.  They've added another row of pickup spaces in the parking lot, and the Playland space in the store is now a Clicklist staging area.
 
2020-05-05 10:26:19 PM  

Znuh: Initial symptoms: I had a tickly throat that then for two days turned into a sore throat. Then I would have one day of feeling like I was fighting something off, then the next I'd feel fine. This repeated six times. I also had a very mild, dry, non-productive cough. Nothing that seemed like anything.


It is interesting that you describe it this way, because right about the time I wondered if I had the virus, I had these symptoms: slightly sore throat, slight malaise, and in my case, alternating low grade fever. By the time I was able to get tested without having actual symptoms or history, it was gone.

I have this sinking feeling that a whole lot more people have had this than we will ever realize it.
 
2020-05-05 10:26:49 PM  

Znuh: angiemama: Hi -

Truly glad you pulled through!  It was nice of you to post your experience.  Thanks for that!

I'm wondering about the breathing exercises.  Was it just the spirometer that you used or something else?  I've heard other people talk about lying on their stomach and doing breathing exercises.  Is this what you did?

Sure thing. When I mentioned that Mom was an RN, she was an RN in England. My friend KP shared the breathing exercises from Queen's Hospital in England - and Mom instantly knew the place and said Queen's was legit. 

These exercises were built on exercises to help people with COPD. Be forewarned, have a spittoon or bottle to catch what comes out of your lungs, as it very much works - particularly when you're lying on your stomach. 

Secondly, an Inspired Spirometer has proven to be very helpful to expand my lungs and improve my lung capacity. You can find these on eBay and Amazon too if your PCP gives you issues. 

Catch what comes up, toss it in the toilet and try to sterilize the bottle you're using to catch your sputum.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/HwLzAdri​ec0]


Your "tea-colored urine" was your liver failing/trying to fail because of the inflammation.

That's horrifying! Glad that urine is now back to normal. 

Do you know your wife's blood type?  I saw your reference above to certain folks with certain blood types being more susceptible.  Wondering why she didn't get it and you did.

Apparently it's a huge mystery to a lot of professionals. We just don't know why it glances off some people, turns others into asymptomatic carriers, and then whomps other people. 

Don't know her blood type off the top my my head, which is bad. I'll fix that. I can't remember if I'm AB+ or AB-.

Also wondering if you know statistics in the county where you live.  Was there an outbreak where you live at the time?

I live in Cumberland County in Portland. Can't find the Maine CDC stats on my phone, but that should be easily Googlable. 

T ...


If my google-fu is correct:

Cumberland County has/had 527 confirmed cases, 315 of whom have recovered (YAY, YOU!) and 27 deaths.
 
2020-05-05 10:27:09 PM  

Kittypie070: Frank N Stein: I should jump in a tank of hungry pirahnas

Say, that looks like a fish dinner later tonight.

Znuh, you are a badass. I'm glad you're here.


I was joking :)
 
2020-05-05 10:31:29 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: brap: I just got my COVID antibody results and apparently I DIDN'T have COVID so I was sick for a month off and on in through February and March and still don't know what the f8ck I had.  My pulsometer readings were 91 when I went into Urgent Care and they treated me for bronchitis.  Had the fatigue, fever, etc you described.

It will remain the mystery of the ages.  It's weird getting a medical test and being disappointed that you didn't have something.

There's more than one strain.  Are the antibody tests checking for both?


The FDA has just started demanding antibody test manufacturers prove their tests are good because there is a ton of crap on the market.

Find an approved, verified test and try again, would be my suggestion.
 
2020-05-05 10:33:05 PM  
Znuh:

I adore you. Thank you for the details.
😲
Be safe and get totally well soon.
 
2020-05-05 10:37:36 PM  

PunGent: DoBeDoBeLurk: I try to keep away from people, but they don't always do that for me (I live in a red state)

Oh, we've got those morons here in Mass. as well.

Mostly people wear masks now, that's mandatory...but counter-balancing that is the horde of Instacart shoppers.

I get they're working, and they're often working for people who can't get to the store, but follow the farking arrows, and wear gloves if you're going to handle every farking item in the case...


Maybe you or someone else can help me out. Gloves don't kill the virus correct? So if you get some COVID on the glove and go and touch everything aren't you going to spread it anyways? And it's not spread through blood.

What exactly do the gloves do?
 
2020-05-05 10:39:27 PM  
Thanks for sharing your experience -- off to order me a pulse oximeter now.
 
2020-05-05 10:39:58 PM  

geoduck42: DoBeDoBeLurk: The upshot is I'm going to go into a store with my mask on tonight and just try to get a baseline on how much extra time it takes me to do a real shopping. I try to keep away from people, but they don't always do that for me (I live in a red state) and I know this is a risk. I don't want to maybe kill someone's Nana because it bothers me to buy eggs and throw away 1/4 to 1/2 of them. It's just really hard to quantify how much more of a risk I'm taking.

A suggestion: If you can, go first thing in the morning when the store opens. There will probably be fewer people, and the shelves will probably be stocked as best as they are going to be all day.

And congrats to Znuh for pulling through.


Most of our stores locally have actually reserved morning hours for people who are high risk - which is good but they do have to line up outside the store waiting for it to open and I wonder how well they obey the distancing stickers, especially if they're old and Republican.

I'm back from my as-fast-as-possible shopping trip and it honestly was not that bad. It took longer than I expected because they've now set up the aisles as one-way, I tried not to go down any that had more than one person, and I didn't know where a couple things were that I don't usually get (turns out dried fruit is a "snack.") Some people elected not to wear masks, as expected, but they count heads and make sure not too many people are in the store, so it wasn't hard to avoid them. I had one person going the wrong way down an aisle, but to be fair I ended up doing that once myself down an empty aisle to dodge some people who were coming too close.

I think in my situation I'll do best picking up must-have stuff like soap and eggs in person and getting the I-need-it-but-I-can-wait-a-week things for pickup. I'm not sure what I'm going to do when I need, like, underwear or socks. I hate to have underpaid Amazon employees risk their lives so I can have clothes without holes that no one will see, but I know they need their paychecks right now too.
 
2020-05-05 10:50:43 PM  

angiemama: Yay you!!


Thank you! I have to genuinely thank the Doctors and Nurses and Staff at Maine Med, as well as my PCP. Had I not gone in on the day I did to my PCP, I'm not sure I'd be here, typing this. 

Also, listening to one's body also saved my life. Had I chickened out and not called 911, and caught a ride with the FDME, Maine Med wouldn't have caught my liver and kidney issues, on top of the Oxygenation issues. And I wouldn't have had anticoagulant.

Bottom line, I'm not sure I'd be here.

And let me tell you denizens of FARK, I did not want to call 911. I was embarrassed to call 911. I even told the operator "not to rush over here". He laughed and said matter of factly that that's not how this works. 

If  you feel like crap, have tightness of your chest and / or cannot breathe right, please, please, please call 911. I had no idea how bad I was.

And again, in perspective, I didn't have that bad a case, comparatively.

Please be safe, and don't ignore symptoms.
 
2020-05-05 10:55:47 PM  

Znuh: So, Znuh, COVID! What happened? What were the symptoms?


Glad you made it through and I hope you and your S/O never go through that horror again. Thanks for sharing your experience with us.

You mentioned breathing exercises and I would like to add something I learned.
I have emphysema and I have endured pneumonia twice in the past 5 years. I started respiratory therapy after the second bout and it has helped a lot. The therapists taught me what is known as "Pursed Lip Breathing". When you start to feel out of breath, you are to breathe in through your nose and then exhale through your mouth with your lips 'pursed' (like you are blowing a kiss). What happens is that you can draw more air in through your nose and expel more of the used air exhaling through your mouth and you concentrate on pushing more stale air out.
 
2020-05-05 10:57:02 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Percise1: And funny enough, I actually built a pulse monitor based on a photo-diode and a few red LEDs that ran off of Labview a few semesters ago

The new LEDs use an IR diode that can also detect glucose levels.  They're working on implanting it so your smart phone can get a good non invasive glucose reading.  Very cool stuff.


I don't even work in the medical field, and I think that would be a really cool thing as well!
(machinist/tinkerer here, I just make... things)
 
2020-05-05 11:00:18 PM  

Driver: "Pursed Lip Breathing". When you start to feel out of breath, you are to breathe in through your nose and then exhale through your mouth with your lips 'pursed' (like you are blowing a kiss). What happens is that you can draw more air in through your nose and expel more of the used air exhaling through your mouth and you concentrate on pushing more stale air out.


Thank you, Driver! Never knew I'd be collecting new breathing exercises like baseball cards, but here we are. I'll totally give that a shot! 

3rd Chest Xray happens in two weeks, and I'm determined to be the best I can be for that.
 
2020-05-05 11:04:19 PM  

powhound: PunGent: DoBeDoBeLurk: I try to keep away from people, but they don't always do that for me (I live in a red state)

Oh, we've got those morons here in Mass. as well.

Mostly people wear masks now, that's mandatory...but counter-balancing that is the horde of Instacart shoppers.

I get they're working, and they're often working for people who can't get to the store, but follow the farking arrows, and wear gloves if you're going to handle every farking item in the case...

Maybe you or someone else can help me out. Gloves don't kill the virus correct? So if you get some COVID on the glove and go and touch everything aren't you going to spread it anyways? And it's not spread through blood.

What exactly do the gloves do?


Ah! Gloves, when you're a civilian trying to avoid COVID-19, are for when you can't wash your hands or use hand sanitizer. You do an activity, you change your gloves - without touching the dirty outside of the glove! You can use diaper cream or ink or the equivalent on the outside of a pair of gloves and try to take them off without getting schmutz on your hands, to practice.

In a health care setting they help protect against other pathogens that can get in through breaks in the skin, and in food prep you might have a cut or dirt under your nails that you don't want to get in the food, but for most people gloves are for when you can take them off (say, if you are going from the store to your car and you want fewer store germs in your car, and then when you get home you can wash your hands) or change them but you can't clean your hands. That's all they do. One pair of gloves over your clean hands equals one cleaning of your hands - if you take them off right.

But people get confused and think if they're wearing gloves they don't need to wash their hands OR change the gloves. Fortunately (barring a weird mutation) it looks like this version of the coronavirus doesn't infect people very well via surface transfer. It can live on surfaces, so you can get it in theory and you should wash your hands, but it doesn't thrive. A mask and regular hand-washing (or sanitizer) is a lot more helpful than gloves and trying not to touch your face.
 
2020-05-05 11:14:12 PM  

Znuh: And it hit me like a freight train. They now suspect it might be related to blood type or your immune system. I can't remember which, I'm either AB+, or AB-.


Grats on surviving. I hope you keep getting better.

I'd really love to know what it is that makes some people get this virus without suffering any symptoms while others have such a horrible time of it. There's some really extreme variability.

As far as I know when it comes to the novel corona virus the blood type you do not want is A. Type O and AB are better. Not a lot of hard data yet as to why.

In this study we found evidence for association between blood groups and COVID-19. Using data from NYP/CUIMC, we found the odds of COVID-19 positive vs negative test results were increased in blood groups A and decreased in blood groups O, consistent with previous results from Wuhan and Shenzhen. While Rh negative blood types are rare, we find evidence of association only for Rh positive blood groups. Though few AB individuals were included in our cohort, we discovered a new significant odds decrease for AB blood groups. In a meta-analysis of our data with data from Wuhan and Shenzhen reported by Zhao et al., we found a new significant COVID-19 odds increase for B blood groups compared to the general population. We demonstrated that the associations we found were not explained by confounding due to several known risk factors. Our results replicate previously-discovered associations between A and O blood groups and COVID-19, and we show novel associations between B, AB, and Rh blood groups. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.11​0​1/2020.04.08.20058073v1.full.pdf
 
2020-05-05 11:16:50 PM  

LoneVVolf: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: 2) Suppressing fevers makes your immune system work less well. You body is quite intentionally spiking your temp to help your immune system work as efficiently as it can, suppressing that fever is basically "Hi, immunity, this is a BRAND NEW virus that you've never experienced anything like...oh, and let me tie a concrete block to your feet. Now, go fight it."
Don't do that.

I used to think that, and got cocky after the scorched earth approach knocked out the two suspected instances of normal flu I had (never tested, just figured it felt/looked like flu. Last doctor I saw was a pediatrician...) Went with steady liquids/bland foods, no meds, extra sleep time, and just burned it out. Then I guess I caught something exotic doing an instrument repair for an NYC hospital. About a week after the call I started up with flu-like symptoms, so I took a few days off work and started the usual "burn it out" strategy.

Whatever I had saw that, laughed sovietly, and f*cking steamrolled me. I was taking my temp thrice a day and recording it on a notepad with the intention of using it to see when the fever broke. The last one I recorded was 106.3. I don't know if I took any more after that, but I didn't write anything. That was on a Tuesday afternoon, and my next solid memory is Thursday afternoon. I vaguely remember some audio/visual hallucinations, bleeding from my ears, and having to spit a bulging mouthful of watery saliva into a garbage can next to the bed every half hour for most of what was probably Wednesday. Shortly after I thought the ear bleeding was one of the hallucinations, but there was blood on the pillows, no crust around my mouth/nose, and a Q-Tip came out of both ears rusty reddish.

And I vividly remember a tactile hallucination, because I didn't think they were possible, and even in my fever-baked stupor the analytical part of my brain stopped to examine it ...


Yikes.  I'm a "scorched earth approach" guy myself.  Fortunately never had it that bad....

But the relevant question here is, to anyone with links to actual data, what is the general effect of antipyretics on COVID-19?  Increased survival rate?  Decreased?  No effect?  I hope this is at least something people are keeping data on.

The 1st thing many people in our culture do when they have a fever is to reach for the Tylenol.  Is this a good idea or not?  (Warning, link to video: may be educational)
 
2020-05-05 11:26:23 PM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: markie_farkie: Welcome back from the brink!

A co-worker got it after attending the RSA conference this spring, and his experience mirrored yours almost to the T.

He commented that he felt like someone had beaten him with a 500 lb sack of shiat until he was a bloody pulp inside a skin suit.

Hopefully you continue to recover and there's no permanent damage to your fleshy bits.

Do they pay crisis actors very well?
/Had to do it, sry


If you're referring to my co-worker who was sick, he had a really good 2019 and made a seven figure commission, so if they're paying more than that to be a crisis actor, I need to figure out where to apply.
 
2020-05-05 11:29:16 PM  
Glad you're better!
 
2020-05-05 11:34:30 PM  
Interesting read, so thanks for posting it. It's also led to some informative comments from other people.

I'm glad to hear you're better.

Now, can we hear more about the explosive diarrhoea?

/asking for a friend
 
2020-05-05 11:36:24 PM  

Nidiot: Znuh: And it hit me like a freight train. They now suspect it might be related to blood type or your immune system. I can't remember which, I'm either AB+, or AB-.

Grats on surviving. I hope you keep getting better.

I'd really love to know what it is that makes some people get this virus without suffering any symptoms while others have such a horrible time of it. There's some really extreme variability.

As far as I know when it comes to the novel corona virus the blood type you do not want is A. Type O and AB are better. Not a lot of hard data yet as to why.

In this study we found evidence for association between blood groups and COVID-19. Using data from NYP/CUIMC, we found the odds of COVID-19 positive vs negative test results were increased in blood groups A and decreased in blood groups O, consistent with previous results from Wuhan and Shenzhen. While Rh negative blood types are rare, we find evidence of association only for Rh positive blood groups. Though few AB individuals were included in our cohort, we discovered a new significant odds decrease for AB blood groups. In a meta-analysis of our data with data from Wuhan and Shenzhen reported by Zhao et al., we found a new significant COVID-19 odds increase for B blood groups compared to the general population. We demonstrated that the associations we found were not explained by confounding due to several known risk factors. Our results replicate previously-discovered associations between A and O blood groups and COVID-19, and we show novel associations between B, AB, and Rh blood groups. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.110​1/2020.04.08.20058073v1.full.pdf


shiat.  I'm  B+ with a history of low grade asthma.

Glad I'm masking up.
 
2020-05-05 11:44:07 PM  

Znuh: DoBeDoBeLurk: ....

I wouldn't wish this on anyone. I mean that. Anyone. It's so ungodly infectious and what it does to you feels like a murderous kid at a candystore inside your organs.
....


I can think of one person I would wish it on.
 
2020-05-06 12:01:24 AM  
Thanks for the story.

And glad you made it through.

No relapses! Ya hear me?
 
2020-05-06 12:05:04 AM  

Znuh: So, Znuh, COVID! What happened? What were the symptoms?

The very first thing I am going to tell you is this: Right now, please, try and purchase what's known as a Pulse Oximeter. This is a little monitoring device that fits on your finger and measures both your Pulse and your Blood Oxygen Content. This is important as COVID slowly throttles your Oxygen. You don't notice it happening.

This is beyond dangerous. Without Oxygen it's 911 time. Being able to monitor this will tell you if you need to go to the hospital. Anything below 91 = Emergency Room time.

So, absolute requirements? Digital Thermometer and Pulse Oximeter.

There's several stages of the Disease's progression:

*Initial Symptoms
*Full-on into COVID as a nasty version of the Flu
*Emerging out of COVID's cold stage, and now into it's exploratory phase
*Breathing Issues
*COVID-Triggered Complications (Lungs, potential Blood Clotting, Liver and Kidneys)
*Recovery

The Disease and How it Started:

It first starts off like a very nasty cold / version of the flu. I started noticing symptoms two weeks into March. You feel as if someone's stepping on your energy - you're instantly sapped of the ability to do anything.
I initially started treating my symptoms as if I had a nasty case of the flu. OTC medications: Cough syrup, Acetaminophen for the fever, Mucinex to keep the lungs producing anything phlegmy, if that was the
case. After all of this my Doctor and RNs at the hospital told me to stick with Acetaminophen and stay away from Ibuprofen.

You lose all sense of smell and taste. When the disease got going, you can't move much, at all. I didn't have the strength to walk 15 feet to the toilet, and when I did, I almost blacked out. You cannot eat. Ensure shakes help here. I got chronic Diarrhea.

So, initially the thing to do is, no matter what in this stage, you need to keep hydrated. You need to keep food (or similar) in yourself, somehow as that's fuel to fight the virus. Again, Ensure was the only thing I could keep down. I didn't eat for five days in a row.

OK! You've got a 102 fever, you can't eat or smell or taste, now you move into the rigors - shaking that you can't really control. This would alternate from feeling as if you were in an Attic in the middle of July; unbelievable heat. Then you'd switch to as if you were plummeted into an arctic wasteland. Shivers and shakes that were uncontrollable.

At this point I was still trying the OTC medications, and the Acetaminophen was helping. I'd still get the rigors, and I'd curl up into a ball to try and let them pass.

You will not sleep. You'll wake up every hour, on the hour. This will, unfortunately become the norm for about 1 to 1.5 months.

I emerged from the other side thinking that the disease was over. I'd gotten through the temperature swings, and was feeling better. This leads us to:

Second Stage of COVID: Oxygen / CO2 processing Capability diminished, COVID starts to explore.

Once I was mostly done with the flu symptoms, I noticed that my energy levels were, shockingly, not really coming back. I barely made it into the car, and got myself over to my PCP. This now, is two weeks in.
My Doc gave me a lung X-ray and told me I had Bi-Lateral Pneumonia in both lungs. On top of that, she discovered that I also had shingles on my right arm.

Now, keep in mind, throughout this, I hadn't been tested. After the X-Ray, I was.

So, two weeks and two days in, I was told that I was positive for COVID. I cannot tell you what that felt like. For a few pauses, I felt as if I was over a cliff. The next thing I said was, "Well, nothing to do but get through this. We're going to get through this."

Which, with thanks to friends, made all the difference. I cannot emphasize enough how mindset helped me approach this. You have to tell yourself, daily, sometimes more, that you WILL get through this, you WILL be OK, and emotionally latch yourself and not try to lose to despair. Emotionally latching oneself was a huge factor that I had to remind myself constantly of.

COVID, after the initial symptoms, now goes into what I called 'lockpick' mode. It starts moving around, looking for areas. In my case, it found both my lungs, my liver and kidneys.

Two days after seeing the Doctor and being diagnosed for Pneumonia and shingles, I had significant shortness of breath. I called 911 and not five minutes later, got an exclusive ride with Portland's Finest, the Fire Dept., to Maine Medical.

Maine Med were all set to admit me, and had a gurney ready when I arrived. I am beyond thankful to the Fire Dept. as they all stood there when I got out, and cheered me on, wishing me the very best. That meant an awful lot, and I'm tearing up slightly remembering.

So, I was put in an isolation room and my blood was taken, as well as another blood sample. One hour later, I was fully admitted to a Critical Care room for monitoring.

At this time, I could barely walk. My temperature was more or less stable (16 days now, two days after finishing the 'cold' portion of the disease), but I felt beyond ill. I was wired up like a Christmas Tree, and I could see my heartrate and my PulseOx, which was floating at around 91-93.

I am very, very lucky. Let me repeat that.

I essentially was over the worst initial phases of the disease, and was now being aggressively monitored by Maine Med. My blood was taken four times a day, my vitals constantly monitored. I now know this was done so they could see if I was making progress and getting better.

I was not given Oxygen, I was not given an IV - again, knowing now what I do know, this was so they could see if I was making concrete progress and changing for the better.

It was difficult to breathe. Everything was slurred together. I think I watched the entire Harry Potter movies twice while I was there. Didn't want to eat, but I could, now, keep down bananas. Temperature continued to stabilize, and bloodwork continued to show improvement.

I was also given, each day, an anticoagulant. I thought this was due to me being stuck in a hospital bed. Turns out Maine Med knew about COVID's possibility to cause blood clots, and they were proactive in preventing that.
Two days of monitoring, and I improved. Middle of the third day, I was released. Still feeling weak as crap, but better than before.

I managed to get a cab ride home. I was beyond happy to BE home. Prior to going in, I typed up a Will, summarizing what I thought best. I cannot tell you how doing so made my blood run cold, and how I didn't know what the future held.

We now enter the Recovery Stage.

So, three weeks after it started, I was still feeling rough, didn't really appreciate that COVID also checked out my Liver and Kidneys, and my lungs were all kinds of weird afterwards.

COVID after initial symptoms gives you what I call "Two up, one down" days. You'll get two good days, then one where your arms feel like wet noodles, and you can't do much. Two months later, I'm doing a lot better, and the 'one down' day isn't anywhere near as bad.

I came home and once I finished the 17 day run of Doxy for the Pneumonia, suddenly found myself short of breath again. It turns out that when you're in the thick of the disease, you Do. Not. Notice. how much it's slowly starving you of Oxygen. Coming out, you do. So, it was less that the disease was re-restricting my ability to oxygenate my blood, and more that I was now healthy to notice my reduced breathing capacity.

This improved over time, to the point today, my PulseOx was initially 96, then with sitting down bumped up to 97, then 98. Heavy breathing a few times bumped it to 99.

So, you're recovering. You'll have days where you feel almost fine, then one day of feeling like absolute crap. This slowly diminishes. You'll have a few cold shivers (terrifying), you'll see your temp hit 99.1, 99.4 (again, terrifying) and eventually, about a month later, you won't have any temp symptoms.

My poop, if I can be gross for a moment, went from full-on runs, to semi-solid, to just today, normal. This is one month from being all-cleared by Maine CDC to return to work, so even when the virus is gone, your after-effects can still hang for a bit.

I took the initiative and with thanks to friends again showing me the breathing exercises she found, I exercise my lungs four times a day. This produces clear sputum from my lungs, and generally really helps with alleviating shortness of breath. I also received an "Inspired Spirometer" from my PCP, which also does the same. It's this hysterical gizmo that exercises your lungs.

I also was given an Albuterol inhaler from my PCP, which genuinely helps. I am weaning myself off it, and limiting its use to two to three times a day.

So, May 5th. How do you feel? Today's a bit of a weak day, feeling a bit stumbly, but nowhere near like I was a week ago. Prior two days? Completely normal. Able to do anything. Lungs are better and better, and as measured by the PulseOx this morning, doing good.

I still feel slightly short of breath (which goes part and parcel with the 'bad' day), but again, nowhere near.

RECOMMENDATIONS:

The moment I had symptoms, I ejected myself from work and called out. I also instantly isolated myself. My wife was a trooper and believe it or not, scarily, never showed symptoms. Ever. Not a cough, not a fever, nothing.
Ollie the Cat was also by my side (which worried me immensely), but he's fine, right next to me as I type this, and giving himself a good wash.

1) You need a Pulse Oximeter. Now. Measuring your 02 levels are beyond vital. Lower than 92 = hospital time.

1a) You will need a good thermometer. You'll be checking this a LOT.

2) I did everything in my power not to get this. Social distancing, washing hands, putting surgical soap in our home, purell, the whole bit. It's three to five times as infectious as the Flu, so go figure. That said....

2a) WEAR YOUR MASK. PRACTICE SOCIAL DISTANCING. You want to do EVERYTHING, let me spell that again E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G not to get this. STAY HOME if you can. Do not go out for useless reasons. Do NOT go to places where it's an increased vector.

3) Stock up on OTC medications. Acetaminophen will become your new friend. Cough Syrup. Zinc lozenges (these oddly, indeed seem to help and were recommended to me by a virologist friend during the initial stages of infection). Mucinex. Things you'd normally use for managing cold symptoms.

4) A CAR. I cannot tell you how much being able to go where I needed to go, helped. If I had to wait for a bus? I'd possibly be dead. Lyft / Uber / Cabs did NOT want to know me once I found out I might be sick.
5) PPE. In this case, a mask. It protected me from others, and while going to the Hospital, protected everyone else.

6) Believing in yourself, positive self-talk. I am the worst when it comes to this. But when you're at the point where you need everything, it genuinely HELPS. Latch yourself, and keep yourself latched.

7) A Partner. I could not have made it without Kris. Hands down. Barring that, I was in daily communication with my folks. Having an anchor, even if it's remote, helped tons.

And that's that. I'll continue to add as I have more time. Don't get it. If you do, All Is Not Lost. You can make it through.

And now we're through the Heavy, Heavy Stuff:

So, funny story. While in the throes of COVID at Maine Med, they had to move me from one room to another. This was actually a good thing as it meant I had improved where I didn't need to be in Critical Care. I was being bumped down to the Cheaper Seats.

So, I'm in my bed, groggily trying to deal with reality, in my gown and shorts, when the Nurse came in. She said,
"We're moving you to another room."
Me: "Cool! OK."
Nurse: "We're uh, going to have you get into a wheelchair."
Me: "O..Okay."
Nurse: "You'll be wearing your mask. "
Me: "Yup. Sounds right."
Nurse: "Ah. And then we'll have to cover you in a sheet."
Me: ..........
Nurse: I KNOW I KNOW IT'S WEIRD BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT.
Me: "Well, OK!"

So, I get into the wheelchair, with my mask on. And the Nurse says, "I..I'm sorry" and drapes a white sheet on me.

And I can't stop laughing. So, as we start down the hallway, I put my arms out and make ghost WHooOoOOoOOooOoo noises,

All the Nurses and Doctors in Critical Care burst out laughing. It was hysterical. As we rounded the corner, I continued and then we stopped.

Nurse: "This is idiotic. Do you want me to take that off?"
Me: "If you think it's safe."
Nurse: Whips blanket off.
And that's how I roll(ed) at Maine Med.


First off, congrats for fighting through this disease.  Wow!

Second, how in the hell did your wife manage not to get infected?  Or is it possible she got it and is asymptomatic?  I ask because my wife is high risk, so it would be good to understand what behaviors may have protected her.
 
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2020-05-06 12:10:24 AM  

DoBeDoBeLurk: powhound: PunGent: DoBeDoBeLurk: I try to keep away from people, but they don't always do that for me (I live in a red state)

Oh, we've got those morons here in Mass. as well.

Mostly people wear masks now, that's mandatory...but counter-balancing that is the horde of Instacart shoppers.

I get they're working, and they're often working for people who can't get to the store, but follow the farking arrows, and wear gloves if you're going to handle every farking item in the case...

Maybe you or someone else can help me out. Gloves don't kill the virus correct? So if you get some COVID on the glove and go and touch everything aren't you going to spread it anyways? And it's not spread through blood.

What exactly do the gloves do?

Ah! Gloves, when you're a civilian trying to avoid COVID-19, are for when you can't wash your hands or use hand sanitizer. You do an activity, you change your gloves - without touching the dirty outside of the glove! You can use diaper cream or ink or the equivalent on the outside of a pair of gloves and try to take them off without getting schmutz on your hands, to practice.

In a health care setting they help protect against other pathogens that can get in through breaks in the skin, and in food prep you might have a cut or dirt under your nails that you don't want to get in the food, but for most people gloves are for when you can take them off (say, if you are going from the store to your car and you want fewer store germs in your car, and then when you get home you can wash your hands) or change them but you can't clean your hands. That's all they do. One pair of gloves over your clean hands equals one cleaning of your hands - if you take them off right.

But people get confused and think if they're wearing gloves they don't need to wash their hands OR change the gloves. Fortunately (barring a weird mutation) it looks like this version of the coronavirus doesn't infect people very well via surface transfer. It can live on surfaces, so you can get it in theory and you should wash your hands, but it doesn't thrive. A mask and regular hand-washing (or sanitizer) is a lot more helpful than gloves and trying not to touch your face.


Okay thank you. I was a Nuke in the Navy and am well aware of safe glove practice. But you see people wearing gloves and touching everything. If you want to do it right you need to sanitize after every touch. The one advantage is that they are probably easier to sanitize than bare hands.
 
2020-05-06 12:12:06 AM  

Znuh: What was alarming was that it had the color of dark, unsweetened tea.


With or without cream?
 
2020-05-06 12:15:50 AM  

LoneVVolf: I was 100% convinced that there was a 2 inch thick, 5ft long rod or dowel running laterally through the comforter on my bed. It was wrapped up in such a way that I could feel it through a layer of the cloth, feel the insulation give between my fingers and the rod, and feel the cloth slide/bunch along it as I ran my hands out to try to find the ends. Pulling down on one side pushed it down on my chest, and raised my opposite hand/arm. I


That's a sex dream.
 
2020-05-06 12:35:37 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: Second, how in the hell did your wife manage not to get infected?  Or is it possible she got it and is asymptomatic?  I ask because my wife is high risk, so it would be good to understand what behaviors may have protected her.


Hey Haywood! The reasoning was, by the time we properly knew I had it, she had been in close proximity with me to the point she shrugged and said, "Well, I guess I'm along for the ride." Which utterly broke my heart.

But, as mentioned above, she never, not once had a single symptom. No temperature, no runs, no cough, no loss of smell or taste.

This genuinely freaked my PCP out. It truly illustrates how it affects people differently.

To this day we have no idea. I don't know her blood type off the top of my head, but apparently, that might be a factor. And, she's a smoker. 

What I did do to try and reduce further exposure was: 

Surgical Soap: I found a case of PROVON soap on eBay, complete with dispenser. This is the one that Surgeons use to scrub with before performing surgery. It contains 2% CHG - Chlorhexidine gluconate. This in turn kills bacteria and viruses. 

For home use I also picked up 32 ounces of HIBICLENS, with is 4% CHG. I've read reports that the CHG tends to stay in/on your skin for up to 24 hours, continuing to help kill said bacteria and viruses. We've had that in our apt. for two months. Remember, the fun started with me on March 10th. 

Purell: When I can't get to the soap, we were lucky to also have a big bottle of Purell before the shortages started. 

Humidifier: I wanted to duplicate a hospital setting's humidity as close as possible; keeping relative Humidity between 40 and 60% means that the droplets from someone's cough or sneeze can't propagate too far before hitting other moisture  droplets. A very dry room means they can float around for a loooong time. So, I bought a 4 gallon humidifier that's set to 55% humidity. You must use an anti-bacterial with the water, otherwise you will end up with mold growing in the filter, and.....that doesn't help things. 

Surface Cleaner: When I used the toilet, after I was done, I bleached it. 20% bleach solution to tap water. As in, I'd use the throne, clean myself, then wash my hands, then with a spray bottle, spray the fark out of the seat, bowl and back. Remember, the damn thing hunts for mucous membranes. Along with  this....

Clorox Puck in the Tank: Same reason as bleaching the toilet, you will want the water in the toilet to have a high bleach ratio. Why? Water splashes. Last thing you want is when I'm sick to take a dump, and then you use the toilet and god forbid, 'splash', and we're off and running. Also, toilets generate spray every time you flush, which again if it's not bleached, you've got another vector. 

Spraying down food / groceries: Everything we pick up is treated as 'hot' until it's disinfected. 

Tissue Usage: Moment it's used, it goes into the 'biohazard' garbage bag. Same thing for the spittoon when I'm doing breathing exercises. 

In a perfect world, if she hadn't been so exposed, I would have immediately quarantined myself into one room, and then done my best to have a kind of 'airlock' arrangement regarding food. Using the toilet I would have made sure she was in our bedroom. 

Oh, and forget showering. You won't have the energy. If you do, go for it. I didn't. I ended up wet-toweling in an attempt to stay clean. 

Separate laundry, his vs. hers. 

The other thing: We're lucky we don't have central air. If you do, you might want to consider the fact it might recirculate particles and possibly the virus. You can pick up N 95 filters for furnaces / Central AC - as they're large flat rectangular things that can't easily be used as a facemask, so check that out. 

If an area was in doubt, it got bleached. I did my best not to sneeze or cough hard around her. 

I'm beyond grateful she never had symptoms, I am here because of her hard work and love.
 
2020-05-06 12:37:23 AM  
Just to see if anyone had anything similar...
Early Feb I was sick for a solid week and a half. Guts felt like crazy. Muscles felt incredibly sore. Best I can describe is they felt like someone took them out and put them in backwards. I had some sinus thing going on where if felt like there was a huge chunk of super thick phlegm always as the back of my throat near the gag reflex point that just did *not* want to come out but was happy to make me want to yak every time I tried to cough it up. Very low energy, and pooping was mostly pure water. I hardly peed at all because it was all coming out the back. The worst was how dry my throat was constantly. It hurt because of how dry it was. At night I would wake up having trouble breathing because it was so dry. Drinking water helped me be able to sleep for another 45 min.
When my temp cracked 100 (101.3 or so) I went to urgent care. They said I had sinus infection (take antibiotics) and a viral infection in my guts (sucks to be you.)
Towards the end of the 2nd week it slowly started getting better. Cough drops seemed to help with the throat dryness, and Sudafed (the real kind you have to get from the pharmacy) helped alot with the sinuses. Temp was only over 100 for maybe half a day
Don't know how these symptoms fit with having the 'vid, but I've never been sick like that before. Anyone else have something similar?
 
2020-05-06 12:37:57 AM  

powhound: Okay thank you. I was a Nuke in the Navy and am well aware of safe glove practice. But you see people wearing gloves and touching everything. If you want to do it right you need to sanitize after every touch. The one advantage is that they are probably easier to sanitize than bare hands.


The Nurses and Doctors at Maine Med would get into full PPE, including gloves. Once they had examined me, they would leave. The very first thing they did? Hand sanitizer on their gloves. 30 seconds of working the sanitizer into their gloves, then removing them according to PPE procedure.

It was very interesting to watch and learn from.
 
2020-05-06 12:38:38 AM  

Znuh: ruudbob: I tried buying a Pulse Oximeter over a week ago. Not possible, like the N-95 masks. Maybe later in the year will they be available. On the up side any one can get a test, Trumps says.

If when your fully back to work and find 5 bucks worth of pennies in the couch or sick bed pass it on to another farker.

bb

I couldn't find one either, and having breathing issues, really needed one.   The work-around for getting a PulseOx machine is this: I went onto eBay and hunted for used ex-hospital / ex-professional equipment.

For $79 before shipping, I found a Masimo Radical Pulse Oximeter, with finger sensor. I got it in under a week. While it looks imposing, the benefits are 1) Accuracy as it's a former hospital machine and 2) it's built like a brick outhouse. 

Don't let the apparent complexity scare you off; It was very easy to use. Unboxed, plugged in finger sensor, turned on. Machine told me it was looking for a pulse, so, I slipped the finger sensor on (red LED pointing against my fingerprint).

And bam, there it was, before my eyes, my 02 levels and pulse. No need to wade through any weird menus or such. 

Thanks bb. I'll be sure to pay it forward.


I think you already did!

Glad you're on the mend. Sounds hellish.

I thought a friend of mine had it bad because he had a fever for 8 days and lost 15 lbs (about 7.5% of his normal weight) because he couldn't keep anything down and had a few days of diarrhea. You sound like you were at the brink!

I think he was ill for 12-13 days, 100% bedridden at home, and the last two or three days were just waiting for back-to-back days with a normal temp. He did get a test with a positive result at the start, but none on the back end of the illness to really declare himself "cured." He stopped updating Facebook shortly after he was healthy again. I think I'll check in with him to see if he's really better or if he had a rebound like you experienced.

Take care and thanks for sharing your ordeal!
 
2020-05-06 12:40:32 AM  

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That made me tear up a little. I'm seriously tearing up again.

Thanks guys, it's been all too real. A little too real.

Please, do what you can. Don't get it.
 
2020-05-06 12:47:15 AM  

Znuh: HaywoodJablonski: Second, how in the hell did your wife manage not to get infected?  Or is it possible she got it and is asymptomatic?  I ask because my wife is high risk, so it would be good to understand what behaviors may have protected her.

Hey Haywood! The reasoning was, by the time we properly knew I had it, she had been in close proximity with me to the point she shrugged and said, "Well, I guess I'm along for the ride." Which utterly broke my heart.

But, as mentioned above, she never, not once had a single symptom. No temperature, no runs, no cough, no loss of smell or taste.

This genuinely freaked my PCP out. It truly illustrates how it affects people differently.

To this day we have no idea. I don't know her blood type off the top of my head, but apparently, that might be a factor. And, she's a smoker. 

What I did do to try and reduce further exposure was: 

Surgical Soap: I found a case of PROVON soap on eBay, complete with dispenser. This is the one that Surgeons use to scrub with before performing surgery. It contains 2% CHG - Chlorhexidine gluconate. This in turn kills bacteria and viruses. 

For home use I also picked up 32 ounces of HIBICLENS, with is 4% CHG. I've read reports that the CHG tends to stay in/on your skin for up to 24 hours, continuing to help kill said bacteria and viruses. We've had that in our apt. for two months. Remember, the fun started with me on March 10th. 

Purell: When I can't get to the soap, we were lucky to also have a big bottle of Purell before the shortages started. 

Humidifier: I wanted to duplicate a hospital setting's humidity as close as possible; keeping relative Humidity between 40 and 60% means that the droplets from someone's cough or sneeze can't propagate too far before hitting other moisture  droplets. A very dry room means they can float around for a loooong time. So, I bought a 4 gallon humidifier that's set to 55% humidity. You must use an anti-bacterial with the water, otherwise you will end up with mold growing in the filter, and.....that doesn't help things. 

Surface Cleaner: When I used the toilet, after I was done, I bleached it. 20% bleach solution to tap water. As in, I'd use the throne, clean myself, then wash my hands, then with a spray bottle, spray the fark out of the seat, bowl and back. Remember, the damn thing hunts for mucous membranes. Along with  this....

Clorox Puck in the Tank: Same reason as bleaching the toilet, you will want the water in the toilet to have a high bleach ratio. Why? Water splashes. Last thing you want is when I'm sick to take a dump, and then you use the toilet and god forbid, 'splash', and we're off and running. Also, toilets generate spray every time you flush, which again if it's not bleached, you've got another vector. 

Spraying down food / groceries: Everything we pick up is treated as 'hot' until it's disinfected. 

Tissue Usage: Moment it's used, it goes into the 'biohazard' garbage bag. Same thing for the spittoon when I'm doing breathing exercises. 

In a perfect world, if she hadn't been so exposed, I would have immediately quarantined myself into one room, and then done my best to have a kind of 'airlock' arrangement regarding food. Using the toilet I would have made sure she was in our bedroom. 

Oh, and forget showering. You won't have the energy. If you do, go for it. I didn't. I ended up wet-toweling in an attempt to stay clean. 

Separate laundry, his vs. hers. 

The other thing: We're lucky we don't have central air. If you do, you might want to consider the fact it might recirculate particles and possibly the virus. You can pick up N 95 filters for furnaces / Central AC - as they're large flat rectangular things that can't easily be used as a facemask, so check that out. 

If an area was in doubt, it got bleached. I did my best not to sneeze or cough hard around her. 

I'm beyond grateful she never had symptoms, I am here because of her hard work and love.


Has she been able to get an antibody test yet to see if it was that your regimen paid off, or just good luck that she was an a symptomatic carrier?
 
2020-05-06 12:50:56 AM  

markie_farkie: Has she been able to get an antibody test yet to see if it was that your regimen paid off, or just good luck that she was an a symptomatic carrier?


I think ti was good, dumb luck that she was asymptomatic. My PCP has officially stated that she's an asymptomatic, purely because, and I quote, she said: "Znuh, you were very, very sick. There's no way she was not exposed through that." 

We haven't had the ability for her to get an antibody test yet, but that's on the books. Maine CDC Quarantined her three weeks after I was released by the CDC, so that should tell you something. Again, zero symptoms, none.
 
2020-05-06 12:52:55 AM  
Znuh, I know this is a lot to ask - but just consider if you would. I am an active member at both leftist forums and and rightist forums. At the right-wing forums, there is a whole buttload of people who are convinced that this is not a big deal (they also vacillate between demanding that China pay for all of it or be bombed, but that's a different observation).

I plan to share some of your observations with them, and I know for sure some will ask how I know this isn't a made up story. And there's a point to that - it's important that we try to verify what we believe, especially when it lines up with what we already believe.

So - is there a way where we might know that you didn't make this up? You don't owe me or anyone anything, and if you tell me to go pound sand I'll just thank you for your story and go on my way. But it might go a long way toward helping some of the people who are on the fence but having a hard time letting go of their misconceptions.
 
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