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(NYPost)   "D.C. will never be a state, you mean District of Columbia, a state? Why? So we can have two more Democratic senators and five{ ? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯} more congressmen? No thank you. That'll never happen."-The President of the US, ladies and gentlemen   (nypost.com) divider line
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2020-05-05 2:52:21 PM  
To be fair, that's the same reason that no one wants to see Puerto Rico as a state either. Or Guam. Or the Virgin Islands. Well, that and all of those people living there. Don't want them to get any ideas...
 
2020-05-05 3:02:40 PM  
Any remaining colonies are just mere racism.

No other colonial power has refused to grant representation to its territories.

America is immoral.
 
2020-05-05 3:05:21 PM  
That's why they're 2 Dakotas, so the Republicans could get more senators and representatives. I say game on, you fat orange cyst.
 
2020-05-05 3:16:30 PM  
Pretty sure the President doesn't get a vote on that.
 
2020-05-05 3:17:59 PM  
...Unless they use their total authority, of course. I'm still waiting for the White House to release the explainer on that one. Maybe they plan to use the auditors working on his return to write it up...
 
2020-05-05 3:22:04 PM  
There it is. Hundreds of thousands of Americans should remain disenfranchised for the simple reason that the President believes it will help his political party. https://t.co/F8zyrVk3Mj

- Sherrilyn Ifill (@Sifill_LDF) May 5, 2020
 
2020-05-05 3:27:47 PM  
PR and DC are fairly easy targets for a democratic majority.

You do not need 60 votes for this but i'll get you a lot closer to 60 if you did it.
 
2020-05-05 3:28:29 PM  
He really sounds like he's been a Republican his whole life. Good for him.

/in that it's made more clear that he and the GOP are one and the same. No running from this sh*t, Republicans
 
2020-05-05 3:29:08 PM  
I mean at the very least he said something true. Partial credit?
 
2020-05-05 3:29:45 PM  
They're freaking the fark out about this, especially PR.

Biden shouldn't campaign on it, but if he ends up with a Democratic senate the first order of business should be moving on PR statehood.
 
2020-05-05 3:31:02 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: There it is. Hundreds of thousands of Americans should remain disenfranchised for the simple reason that the President believes it will help his political party. https://t.co/F8zyrVk3Mj
- Sherrilyn Ifill (@Sifill_LDF) May 5, 2020


Oh, they'll go much farther than that.  Just wait until November when the virus is still raging, killing thousands across this country, and red states force voters in populated urban areas to risk their lives to vote in a hours-long line up at a single polling station.
 
2020-05-05 3:32:15 PM  
Druggie Shiat for brains impeached president ..
 
2020-05-05 3:33:22 PM  
So what triggered this? Pillow talk with Ivanka?
 
2020-05-05 3:33:36 PM  
One House rep for 700,000 people?  Umm... That doesn't seem right.
 
2020-05-05 3:34:05 PM  
DC should never be a state.  Hell, nobody should even be living there.  The whole point of it was to put the politicians into some back-woods mosquito infested hell hole of a swamp so that they couldn't communicate quickly with the rest of the country and, god willing, they'd die of malaria.

DC was all about removing power from the people who weld power in that location.  If you make them a state in their own right then you're just increasing the power of an area that literally runs the rest of the country.  They don't need that.

People chose to live in DC with no direct representation instead of just a few miles in any other direction.  That's on them.
 
2020-05-05 3:34:15 PM  
He says the things that all Republicans believe but always used to use euphemisms for.
 
2020-05-05 3:34:23 PM  
You people act like this (senate shenanigans and blocking of new states) is a new thing in America:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misso​u​ri_Compromise

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Go read when states were added to the union and how some were delayed because of who was in power at the time.

/he just says the quiet part out loud on Twitter instead of C-Span
 
2020-05-05 3:35:13 PM  
That'll never happen unless we have some very, very stupid Republicans around that I don't think you do. You understand that, right?" Trump said.

Right, because Republicans fully support the idea of taxation without representation. That's their thing, right?
 
2020-05-05 3:35:15 PM  
Do we really need a West Virginia?
 
2020-05-05 3:36:11 PM  
f off ya fat orange ass
 
2020-05-05 3:36:24 PM  

RussianPotato: DC was all about removing power from the people who weld power in that location.  If you make them a state in their own right then you're just increasing the power of an area that literally runs the rest of the country.  They don't need that.


That argument loses a little weight since a fair number of those people live in the suburbs in Maryland and Virginia which do have representation.
 
2020-05-05 3:37:17 PM  

gilgigamesh: Dusk-You-n-Me: There it is. Hundreds of thousands of Americans should remain disenfranchised for the simple reason that the President believes it will help his political party. https://t.co/F8zyrVk3Mj
- Sherrilyn Ifill (@Sifill_LDF) May 5, 2020

Oh, they'll go much farther than that.  Just wait until November when the virus is still raging, killing thousands across this country, and red states force voters in populated urban areas to risk their lives to vote in a hours-long line up at a single polling station.


I will gladly risk my life to see to it the Mandarin Menace is removed from office.
 
2020-05-05 3:37:46 PM  

sozelle: That's why they're 2 Dakotas, so the Republicans could get more senators and representatives. I say game on, you fat orange cyst.


California could be at least four, probably six (though one or two would be reasonably western-conservative, that's fine).  NY could be at least two.  Combine ND and SD, and NC and SC.  OK and TX could get rolled up; IA, MO, KS, NE might as well become one.

Let's do this.
 
2020-05-05 3:38:50 PM  
Do whatever it farking takes, Democrats. Make new states. Pack the Supreme Court. Redistrict until there's nothing but rotten boroughs. Whatever. The time for playing fair was over long ago.
 
2020-05-05 3:39:08 PM  
The state of New Columbia would have the same representation in Congress as states of similar population: Two senators and one representative.
 
2020-05-05 3:40:04 PM  

ColonelCathcart: You people act like this (senate shenanigans and blocking of new states) is a new thing in America:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missou​ri_Compromise

[Fark user image 425x195]

Go read when states were added to the union and how some were delayed because of who was in power at the time.

/he just says the quiet part out loud on Twitter instead of C-Span


So, you're saying that our philosophies and thought processes haven't evolved in two hundred years and this is...good?
 
2020-05-05 3:40:31 PM  

Surrender your boo-tah: gilgigamesh: Dusk-You-n-Me: There it is. Hundreds of thousands of Americans should remain disenfranchised for the simple reason that the President believes it will help his political party. https://t.co/F8zyrVk3Mj
- Sherrilyn Ifill (@Sifill_LDF) May 5, 2020

Oh, they'll go much farther than that.  Just wait until November when the virus is still raging, killing thousands across this country, and red states force voters in populated urban areas to risk their lives to vote in a hours-long line up at a single polling station.

I will gladly risk my life to see to it the Mandarin Menace is removed from office.


So will I.  And I don't even like Joe Biden.  And, my vote will just get flushed away in a sea of derp because I live in Louisiana.

Don't care.  I'll do whatever I have to to vote against that corrupt, incompetent asshole; even if it's purely symbolic and won't make a damned bit of difference.
 
2020-05-05 3:41:09 PM  

Onagarf: The state of New Columbia would have the same representation in Congress as states of similar population: Two senators and one representative.


What would the two state abbreviation be?

Best Carolina has dibs on "NC" already.
 
2020-05-05 3:41:46 PM  
It should just be absorbed back into Maryland and Virginia.

The entire reason for creating DC in the first place was to place it outside of any states jurisdiction so no one could claim that the US Federal Capital was in their state.
 
2020-05-05 3:43:15 PM  

vrax: One House rep for 700,000 people?  Umm... That doesn't seem right.


Montana's over a million and they only have one. And 700K isn't far behind the average number of citizens per Representative.
 
2020-05-05 3:43:28 PM  

RussianPotato: DC should never be a state.  Hell, nobody should even be living there.  The whole point of it was to put the politicians into some back-woods mosquito infested hell hole of a swamp so that they couldn't communicate quickly with the rest of the country and, god willing, they'd die of malaria.

DC was all about removing power from the people who weld power in that location.  If you make them a state in their own right then you're just increasing the power of an area that literally runs the rest of the country.  They don't need that.

People chose to live in DC with no direct representation instead of just a few miles in any other direction.  That's on them.


If your account was created just to say the stupidest shiat imaginable, then you are a visionary.
 
2020-05-05 3:43:50 PM  
Everyone here knows my opinion on trumpy and republicans by now (and i'm probably on several dozen watchlists as well for my effirts). But isn't the language concerning DC structured in such a way that completely prohibits it becoming a state in any way, so that it's complete owned by and controlloed by the Federal Government and not by the states themselves?
 
2020-05-05 3:44:23 PM  
The main rationale for not having the nation's capital in a state, to keep that state from having undue inflence over the central government, made sense 230 years ago. Today, not so much. Still, the Constitution requires it. The best way to get actual Congressional representation for the residents of the District is to retrocede almost the entire district to Maryland, leaving only the Capitol, the National Mall, and the White House.
 
2020-05-05 3:44:33 PM  

hubiestubert: To be fair, that's the same reason that no one wants to see Puerto Rico as a state either. Or Guam. Or the Virgin Islands. Well, that and all of those people living there. Don't want them to get any ideas...


3 million people in PR.

No representation, still subject to the Jones Act ...

How many people in Montana? They don't even have beaches.
 
2020-05-05 3:45:01 PM  

Subtonic: Do we really need a West Virginia?


Once upon a time West Virginia was the good Virginia.
 
2020-05-05 3:45:05 PM  
They could, theoretically, try taking a good, long look at their party's policies and try to adapt in some way that would encourage DC voters to support them.
 
2020-05-05 3:45:17 PM  

RussianPotato: DC should never be a state.  Hell, nobody should even be living there.  The whole point of it was to put the politicians into some back-woods mosquito infested hell hole of a swamp so that they couldn't communicate quickly with the rest of the country and, god willing, they'd die of malaria.

DC was all about removing power from the people who weld power in that location.  If you make them a state in their own right then you're just increasing the power of an area that literally runs the rest of the country.  They don't need that.

People chose to live in DC with no direct representation instead of just a few miles in any other direction.  That's on them.


That doesn't make any sense. People living in a place are allowed to advocate for things, regardless of any circumstance.

"DUUUR PEOPLE LIVING IN THE SOUTH KNOW THEY'RE ALL RACIST ASSHOLES IF BLACK PEOPLE WANNA LIVE THERE THAT'S ON THEM."

Where do you come up with this shiat anyways?
 
2020-05-05 3:45:51 PM  

SFSailor: sozelle: That's why they're 2 Dakotas, so the Republicans could get more senators and representatives. I say game on, you fat orange cyst.

California could be at least four, probably six (though one or two would be reasonably western-conservative, that's fine).  NY could be at least two.  Combine ND and SD, and NC and SCOK and TX could get rolled up; IA, MO, KS, NE might as well become one.

Let's do this.


All you'd be doing is adding more right wingers to politically "moderate" states.

NC is purple, SC is deep red.
TX is reddish purple, OK is even deeper red than SC.

That would be the equivalent of putting WV back into VA - the "new" VA goes from blue to red.
 
2020-05-05 3:45:59 PM  

dwrash: It should just be absorbed back into Maryland and Virginia.

The entire reason for creating DC in the first place was to place it outside of any states jurisdiction so no one could claim that the US Federal Capital was in their state.


Virginia already absorbed the parts of the District that used to be on that side of the river (Arlington and Alexandria). Under your proposal, the remainder of the District would absorb into Maryland.
 
2020-05-05 3:46:00 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: ColonelCathcart: You people act like this (senate shenanigans and blocking of new states) is a new thing in America:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missou​ri_Compromise

[Fark user image 425x195]

Go read when states were added to the union and how some were delayed because of who was in power at the time.

/he just says the quiet part out loud on Twitter instead of C-Span

So, you're saying that our philosophies and thought processes haven't evolved in two hundred years and this is...good?


Not good. Just what it is. No need for pearl clutching.

Would you allow Texas to be split into 5 (Red) states? I wouldn't if I was Chuck Schumer.

Enjoy:

https://www.tsl.texas.gov/ref/abouttx​/​annexation/march1845.html

https://www.tsl.texas.gov/exhibits/an​n​exation/part5/question7.html

In another compromise designed to overcome objections to annexation, the 1845 joint resolution that admitted Texas to the Union provided that Texas could be divided into as many as five states. Any states north or west of the Missouri Compromise lines would be free; in the others, a popular vote would determine whether slavery could exist.
 
2020-05-05 3:46:13 PM  

kryptoknightmare: Do whatever it farking takes, Democrats. Make new states. Pack the Supreme Court. Redistrict until there's nothing but rotten boroughs. Whatever. The time for playing fair was over long ago.


Unfortunately, best case we get Biden who will want to party like it's 1979 when Republicans still pretended to be sane.

Progressives need to plan the long game where conservative ideology is ultimately neutered.  Make DC a state.  Hell, make DC four states, and Puerto Rico eight.  Put 35 people on the supreme court.  Abolish or consolidate federal district and circuit courts that contain Trump appointees.

For now, progressives need to push for a fire-eyed radical to serve as Biden's VP in the likely event he cannot serve 2 terms.
 
2020-05-05 3:46:15 PM  

Smoking GNU: Everyone here knows my opinion on trumpy and republicans by now (and i'm probably on several dozen watchlists as well for my effirts). But isn't the language concerning DC structured in such a way that completely prohibits it becoming a state in any way, so that it's complete owned by and controlloed by the Federal Government and not by the states themselves?


*the language in the constitution (or w/e founding document relates to this specific topic) concerning DC...


/gawds dammit, i hate accidentally the whole thing like that
 
2020-05-05 3:46:29 PM  

Subtonic: Do we really need a West Virginia?


No, but who's going to take it off our hands?
 
2020-05-05 3:47:27 PM  
The number of House seats should increase every ten years after the Census. Pick a ratio of citizens to House seats, and add seats until you get that ratio. If we set the ratio at 500K, we would be at 617 seats after the 2010 Census.
 
2020-05-05 3:48:37 PM  

Trainspotr: vrax: One House rep for 700,000 people?  Umm... That doesn't seem right.

Montana's over a million and they only have one. And 700K isn't far behind the average number of citizens per Representative.


We really should revisit that ratio.  That's a lot of people for one person to represent.
 
2020-05-05 3:50:49 PM  

RussianPotato: DC should never be a state.  Hell, nobody should even be living there.  The whole point of it was to put the politicians into some back-woods mosquito infested hell hole of a swamp so that they couldn't communicate quickly with the rest of the country and, god willing, they'd die of malaria.

DC was all about removing power from the people who weld power in that location.  If you make them a state in their own right then you're just increasing the power of an area that literally runs the rest of the country.  They don't need that.

People chose to live in DC with no direct representation instead of just a few miles in any other direction.  That's on them.


The EU model is nice. There are two different cities in two different countries. So no one place has a claim to "the seat of power". The government literally goes back and forth several times a year.
 
2020-05-05 3:52:37 PM  

Smoking GNU: Smoking GNU: Everyone here knows my opinion on trumpy and republicans by now (and i'm probably on several dozen watchlists as well for my effirts). But isn't the language concerning DC structured in such a way that completely prohibits it becoming a state in any way, so that it's complete owned by and controlloed by the Federal Government and not by the states themselves?

*the language in the constitution (or w/e founding document relates to this specific topic) concerning DC...


/gawds dammit, i hate accidentally the whole thing like that


I believe the proposal is to make the residential / commercial parts into a state and keep the Federal Government part as its own separate thing.
 
2020-05-05 3:53:03 PM  

gilgigamesh: kryptoknightmare: Do whatever it farking takes, Democrats. Make new states. Pack the Supreme Court. Redistrict until there's nothing but rotten boroughs. Whatever. The time for playing fair was over long ago.

Unfortunately, best case we get Biden who will want to party like it's 1979 when Republicans still pretended to be sane.

Progressives need to plan the long game where conservative ideology is ultimately neutered.  Make DC a state.  Hell, make DC four states, and Puerto Rico eight.  Put 35 people on the supreme court.  Abolish or consolidate federal district and circuit courts that contain Trump appointees.

For now, progressives need to push for a fire-eyed radical to serve as Biden's VP in the likely event he cannot serve 2 terms.


Here's an easier fix - Abolish the Reapportionment Act of 1929 and implement the WY rule: The number of seats in a state is indexed to the state with the smallest population, rounded down.

WY has about 580,000 people and GA about 10,600,000. By the new rule, GA would have 18 seats in Congress, each district differing by no more than 2% in population.

The best thing is that it doesn't require an amendment, just the approval of the House, Senate, and President.
 
2020-05-05 3:53:28 PM  
Given the political near impossibility of ever having enough votes to grant statehood to the District of Columbia, at this point I'd almost rather see legislation to absorb the city into Maryland or Virginia, whichever the majority of Washington citizens would prefer. I mean, that may not be do-able either but at least it's worth a try so that all of the people there would finally have representatives with voting power in the House and Senate.

The current situation is about as profoundly undemocratic as you can get.
 
2020-05-05 3:54:59 PM  

dwrash: It should just be absorbed back into Maryland and Virginia.


Or specifically Maryland alone (Virginia already got its half back).  By far the simplest.  Satisfy the Constitutional questions by defining a Vatican-esque District of Columbia that covers the Mall, Congress, USSC. Foggy Bottom if you feel like it.

It's been proposed for over a century. Problem is that Maryland simply doesn't want it.  Doesn't want to take on DC issues.  Doesn't want to make Baltimore even more of a second city to a second city.
 
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