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2020-05-05 12:01:08 PM  
Some of the problem is reporting. Vermont is showing all cases as active except the dead.
Total 907, Active 855. Dead 52.
Link
 
2020-05-05 12:45:56 PM  
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2020-05-05 12:59:34 PM  
Terrifying
 
2020-05-05 1:00:10 PM  
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"We had flu-like illness with chills, muscle aches, headaches, but when I would take Motrin or Tylenol, I would feel great," Creech recalled. "We had an epic game of Monopoly going on."
The family started to recover after about a week. But Creech's apparent recovery did not last.
"One of my colleagues warned me that the second week can go sideways," Creech said. Indeed, on day seven, he developed a more substantial cough and a fever that lasted weeks.
"I felt like I was having this inflammatory response that I simply couldn't control," he said."

I'm no doctor but taking anti-fever medication while your body is using fever to fight off an infection could be counter productive.
 
2020-05-05 1:07:59 PM  
Or maybe people simply don't notify their doctor when they feel better?
 
2020-05-05 1:11:28 PM  
It's a biatch.  I recovered in about a week.  The week after that I started getting excessively cruel nerve pain at the sites of old injuries.  One of my fingers is still numb.  Shiat's fun!
 
2020-05-05 1:11:52 PM  
the number of resolved cases of COVID-19 are so low


You mean "is so low". The subject is "number" which, believe it or not, is singular.

Protip: remove the prepositional phrases and you will see which verb is correct.
 
2020-05-05 1:11:57 PM  
Subby: "it's because people aren't recovering"

Article: "According to data collected by Johns Hopkins, more than 180,000 people in the U.S. have recovered from COVID-19." Plus two anecdotes.
 
2020-05-05 1:13:17 PM  
I got what I thought was a bad case of the flu in Feb. I thought it was too soon for Covid19 but it's since been shown that it was spreading within my county. My grandkids had something and I think I got it from them which is another reason I thought it was the flu. But it laid me low for 3 weeks with some of the extra symptoms. Then I seemed to be getting better for a week but still had fevers, then had another bad two weeks. I've remained exhausted, quickly out of breath and with occasional fevers still. Someday I'll manage to get an antibody test.
 
2020-05-05 1:13:47 PM  
Ok Doomer.
 
2020-05-05 1:15:58 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: the number of resolved cases of COVID-19 are so low


You mean "is so low". The subject is "number" which, believe it or not, is singular.

Protip: remove the prepositional phrases and you will see which verb is correct.


Of course one can speak of the numbers of resolved cases being so low if you've split the results for the world into country by country, or of a nation into state by state numbers, or of a state into county by county numbers.
 
2020-05-05 1:17:14 PM  
Kate Porter has had a fever nearly every day for 50 days. She can't shake the extreme exhaustion that hit when she became infected with the coronavirus nearly two months ago.

The longevity of her symptoms are unlike anything she's ever experienced. "I know it sounds crazy," Porter said, "but is this permanent?"


Sorry lady, it's policy now.

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/Sucks to be weak
 
2020-05-05 1:19:31 PM  
My lungs still hurt sometimes. I thought I was imagining it, but I get a pain right there, in the middle of my chest, like it's going to be hard to take a deep breath. I smoke too much weed, but this is different, like I"m going to try to take a good breath, and it's just not there.

Or I'm getting old. But this feels weird, gives me a panicky feeling because it feels just like it did when I was sick, and couldn't quit coughing for weeks.
 
2020-05-05 1:21:01 PM  
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testing, testing, testing
 
2020-05-05 1:22:13 PM  

RussianPotato: It's a biatch.  I recovered in about a week.  The week after that I started getting excessively cruel nerve pain at the sites of old injuries.  One of my fingers is still numb.  Shiat's fun!


No one cares about you.
 
2020-05-05 1:23:40 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Terrifying


Yeah, I guess so.  Bad documentation & limited reporting can be terrifying.
 
2020-05-05 1:24:25 PM  
My friends wife caught it and no longer has any symptoms, but she hasn't had any test done since she was diagnosed.  Would she be counted in the statistics as recovered or does she need to test negative first?

/Genuine question
//She was never hospitalized
///Her symptoms lasted about a week.
 
2020-05-05 1:25:42 PM  
I know someone who has been battling covid for 40 days.  She's not dead but she's not recovered.

I had meningitis & encephalitis in 2004 and "only" spent 32 days in the hospital.

/ and another 8 months recovering
// not sure what my point was.
 
2020-05-05 1:26:32 PM  

grokca: "
"We had flu-like illness with chills, muscle aches, headaches, but when I would take Motrin or Tylenol, I would feel great," Creech recalled. "We had an epic game of Monopoly going on."
The family started to recover after about a week. But Creech's apparent recovery did not last.
"One of my colleagues warned me that the second week can go sideways," Creech said. Indeed, on day seven, he developed a more substantial cough and a fever that lasted weeks.
"I felt like I was having this inflammatory response that I simply couldn't control," he said."

I'm no doctor but taking anti-fever medication while your body is using fever to fight off an infection could be counter productive.


Except the inflammatory response is often what kills you, rather than the virus itself.
 
2020-05-05 1:27:25 PM  
My friends that got sick recovered after a week - except for one, who is still sick a month later.
 
2020-05-05 1:27:46 PM  

RussianPotato: It's a biatch.  I recovered in about a week.  The week after that I started getting excessively cruel nerve pain at the sites of old injuries.  One of my fingers is still numb.  Shiat's fun!


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2020-05-05 1:29:02 PM  

Fingerware Error: Some of the problem is reporting. Vermont is showing all cases as active except the dead.
Total 907, Active 855. Dead 52.
Link


Serious question, what is the source of the https://www.worldometers.info/cor​onavi​rus/ data? I would like to use that data when conversing with family and friends but want some certainty in its sourcing/accuracy.
 
2020-05-05 1:29:19 PM  
The answer is always no.
 
2020-05-05 1:31:08 PM  

cryinoutloud: My lungs still hurt sometimes. I thought I was imagining it, but I get a pain right there, in the middle of my chest, like it's going to be hard to take a deep breath. I smoke too much weed, but this is different, like I"m going to try to take a good breath, and it's just not there.

Or I'm getting old. But this feels weird, gives me a panicky feeling because it feels just like it did when I was sick, and couldn't quit coughing for weeks.


If you can find it, I recommend taking thx in pill form. Protabs or gel caps are good, takes longer to become active - but much better for your lungs.
 
2020-05-05 1:33:32 PM  
100.1 isn't medically considered a fever in adults.
 
2020-05-05 1:34:23 PM  
The reason that things are so low (at least nationally) is that a handful of states are not even reporting the recovered - looking at you Vermont, Alabama and Nebraska.  Also, many other states are providing inconsistent reporting or only updating estimates every week or so.

Overall,this number is very rough and should not be relied upon, to say the least
 
2020-05-05 1:35:35 PM  

aperson: My friends wife caught it and no longer has any symptoms, but she hasn't had any test done since she was diagnosed.  Would she be counted in the statistics as recovered or does she need to test negative first?

/Genuine question
//She was never hospitalized
///Her symptoms lasted about a week.


I think that this depends upon the state.  My state is making estimates, some states are testing and other states are not reporting these at all.
 
2020-05-05 1:38:17 PM  

DippityDoo: If you can find it, I recommend taking thx in pill form. Protabs or gel caps are good, takes longer to become active - but much better for your lungs.


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2020-05-05 1:38:59 PM  
They find a handful of people that its gone bad for and that's to scare us. They don't do this for other illnesses like the common flu which effects some worse than others. They also have no idea how many people had it and were mildly sick and recovered. They only know people who got really sick with it because that's who has been tested.
I am not downplaying the virus but they are overhyping it in the media and trying to scare everyone.
 
2020-05-05 1:42:59 PM  

TheRedMonkey: They find a handful of people that its gone bad for and that's to scare us. They don't do this for other illnesses like the common flu which effects some worse than others. They also have no idea how many people had it and were mildly sick and recovered. They only know people who got really sick with it because that's who has been tested.
I am not downplaying the virus but they are overhyping it in the media and trying to scare everyone.


Really?

Then they're obviously lying about all of the 30 and 40 somethings dying of strokes, right?  The people dying of blood clots and kidneys that are shut down by the disease, correct?

Tell you what, you show me where the flu has ever done something like this to normally healthy people, and I'll agree with you that anyone is overhyping it.

Otherwise, STFU about things you know nothing about.
 
2020-05-05 1:46:02 PM  

kore: Fingerware Error: Some of the problem is reporting. Vermont is showing all cases as active except the dead.
Total 907, Active 855. Dead 52.
Link

Serious question, what is the source of the https://www.worldometers.info/coro​navirus/ data? I would like to use that data when conversing with family and friends but want some certainty in its sourcing/accuracy.


It lists 25 sources at the bottom of the page.
 
2020-05-05 1:47:04 PM  

wademh: Someday I'll manage to get an antibody test.


I wouldn't be in a hurry.  Roche has claimed 100% sensitivity and 99.8% specificity for their test.  We'll see how that actually pans out in the field.  For a virus that is a cousin to viruses that are pretty common and pretty benign, and therefore a lot of people have already been exposed to, it may be difficult to be certain that there isn't a cross-reactivity to the antibodies developed from the common-cold coronaviruses.

Here's the FDA test package insert for such a IgG / IgM antibody test from a different manufacturer.  Note this disclaimer language in interpreting the test: "False positive results may occur due to cross-reacting antibodies from previous infections, such as other coronaviruses, or from other causes." [emphasis mine]
 
2020-05-05 1:48:19 PM  

kore: <snip> Serious question, what is the source of the https://www.worldometers.info/coro​navirus/ data? I would like to use that data when conversing with family and friends but want some certainty in its sourcing/accuracy.


You might also want to check https://www.nytimes.com/interac​tive/20​20/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html , lots of data, updated daily.
 
2020-05-05 1:49:19 PM  

TheRedMonkey: they are overhyping it in the media and trying to scare everyone


Or, perhaps, just consider the possibility, this is something that is really happening and it is bad and you should do everything in your power to prevent it from happening to yourself or anybody else?
 
2020-05-05 1:52:57 PM  
"Helplessly sad isn't even the right description at this point" --Kate Meredith.

I think that sums up many of our sentiments, which this article underscores.
 
2020-05-05 1:53:23 PM  

cryinoutloud: DippityDoo: If you can find it, I recommend taking thx in pill form. Protabs or gel caps are good, takes longer to become active - but much better for your lungs.

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2020-05-05 1:54:52 PM  
Guy at work had it. He now has hypertension and persistent swelling in his hands that they think are caused by clotting.

He was never tested because they only test the ones being admitted to the hospital here and they sent him to the urgent care clinic which does not test at all, despite being the place they send you to determine whether you are recovered and can work again. No tests, mind you, just a set of questions and observations.

But he had it. The people at the clinic know it has been circulating locally since February in Joplin, MO based on symptoms. They have had to vent very few people but they know a lot of the "flu" was not the flu. But they are only allowed to report a diagnosis if it is accompanied by a positive test, which requires admittance to a hospital based on symptoms. And no test afterwards to determine whether you are free of the virus afterwards.

Looks like at least that last bit might be a good thing.

It's not the virus that kills you, it's your body's reaction. That's what they have been saying. And apparently our immune system remembers the virus and doesn't know it has been beaten and continues to fight it. Like an autoimmune disorder.
 
2020-05-05 1:58:36 PM  

TheRedMonkey: They find a handful of people that its gone bad for and that's to scare us. They don't do this for other illnesses like the common flu which effects some worse than others. They also have no idea how many people had it and were mildly sick and recovered. They only know people who got really sick with it because that's who has been tested.
I am not downplaying the virus but they are overhyping it in the media and trying to scare everyone.


OK, Comrade.
 
2020-05-05 2:03:20 PM  

TheRedMonkey: They find a handful of people that its gone bad for and that's to scare us. They don't do this for other illnesses like the common flu which effects some worse than others. They also have no idea how many people had it and were mildly sick and recovered. They only know people who got really sick with it because that's who has been tested.
I am not downplaying the virus but they are overhyping it in the media and trying to scare everyone.


If you believe they are overhyping this, but society asked you to at least wear a mask in public, would you do it?
 
2020-05-05 2:06:55 PM  

AloysiusSnuffleupagus: wademh: Someday I'll manage to get an antibody test.

I wouldn't be in a hurry.  Roche has claimed 100% sensitivity and 99.8% specificity for their test.  We'll see how that actually pans out in the field.  For a virus that is a cousin to viruses that are pretty common and pretty benign, and therefore a lot of people have already been exposed to, it may be difficult to be certain that there isn't a cross-reactivity to the antibodies developed from the common-cold coronaviruses.

Here's the FDA test package insert for such a IgG / IgM antibody test from a different manufacturer.  Note this disclaimer language in interpreting the test: "False positive results may occur due to cross-reacting antibodies from previous infections, such as other coronaviruses, or from other causes." [emphasis mine]


Based on the measurement of a total of 5272 samples, the Elecsys® Anti-SARS-CoV-2 assay has 99.81% specificity and shows no cross-reactivity to the four human coronaviruses causing common cold.

https://www.roche.com/media/releases/​m​ed-cor-2020-05-03.htm
 
2020-05-05 2:10:36 PM  

JimmyFartpants: Ok Doomer.

 
2020-05-05 2:11:55 PM  

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2020-05-05 2:16:48 PM  
"Because the virus can smolder in the body for days or weeks before potentially worsening"


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2020-05-05 2:17:35 PM  

HeadLever: I think that this depends upon the state.  My state is making estimates, some states are testing and other states are not reporting these at all.


Clicking on the John Hopkins link in tfa I noticed that in many of the more rural states where the count is much lower, the number of recoveries are much higher.  Maybe it has something to do with more resources are available to care for people?
 
2020-05-05 2:20:15 PM  
It seems that there are cases of what used to be called "lingering". Especially popular in Edwardian and Victorian literature. Folks-women especially, got sick, then hung out. For months. Looking out windows, writing novels, poetry or needlework. The occasional walk across the fen, swamp, brooks and so on and so forth. Some of 'em were then taken to Sanatoriums, to get cured. I wonder if that might be a logical step. Have long term, non-nursing home, care of what may turn out to be a large group of people who do have prolonged recovery periods. Since they're all sick, but not that sick, why not try to get them together, analyze their collective symptoms, begin designing clinical trials and understand what is happening to this group. 'Cause, I betcha, there are a lot of people who think they're recovered and have the issues described in the article.
 
2020-05-05 2:20:29 PM  

BolloxReader: Guy at work had it. He now has hypertension and persistent swelling in his hands that they think are caused by clotting.

He was never tested because they only test the ones being admitted to the hospital here and they sent him to the urgent care clinic which does not test at all, despite being the place they send you to determine whether you are recovered and can work again. No tests, mind you, just a set of questions and observations.

But he had it. The people at the clinic know it has been circulating locally since February in Joplin, MO based on symptoms. They have had to vent very few people but they know a lot of the "flu" was not the flu. But they are only allowed to report a diagnosis if it is accompanied by a positive test, which requires admittance to a hospital based on symptoms. And no test afterwards to determine whether you are free of the virus afterwards.

Looks like at least that last bit might be a good thing.

It's not the virus that kills you, it's your body's reaction. That's what they have been saying. And apparently our immune system remembers the virus and doesn't know it has been beaten and continues to fight it. Like an autoimmune disorder.


Dangit, I probably have to have the clotting checked out.  My finger is numb, possibly due to wearing my wedding ring on it.  I've noticed my fingers swelling a lot and they never did that before the covids.
 
2020-05-05 2:24:01 PM  
Dude, the number of resolved cases IS low, not ARE low. Don't make things worse than they are.
 
2020-05-05 2:30:14 PM  

HeadLever: The reason that things are so low (at least nationally) is that a handful of states are not even reporting the recovered - looking at you Vermont, Alabama and Nebraska.  Also, many other states are providing inconsistent reporting or only updating estimates every week or so.

Overall,this number is very rough and should not be relied upon, to say the least


There are no consistent guidelines and no guidance from the government on what constitutes "recovery".

Ohio refuses to report recovery statistics for this reason.  They say "at least 72 hours without fever and without fever reducing medication and at least 7 days since symptom onset", but that obviously doesn't work for asymptomatic cases or cases that never present fever.

South Korea requires two swab tests to be negative at least 24 hours apart, that is where they got those scary reports of "reinfection" from.

We don't have the testing capacity to test people for clearance of the virus let alone diagnosis or exposure, so we can't mark people recovered on the basis of testing.

It would be great if we had plenty of accurate testing both for active infection and antibodies so we can get a much much better idea of the true scope.
 
2020-05-05 2:30:45 PM  
All this sounds like my wife. She was in the hospital for the week before everything really landed. I should have been out hoarding TP and cleaning supplies and instead I was running back and forth to the hospital and watching the kid. They sent her home with an O2 concentrator, and she's been laid up since. Last weekend was the first where she felt she could get up and out and move around. Monday she was back in bed with the fever again plus she's been dropping things because her hands keep "locking up"

She wasn't tested, but her Dr is pretty sure she had it because of the symptoms and because they knew she had something viral but none of the tests they did give her came back positive. Again, this was a week or so after "15 case soon to be zero" so I doubt they even thought to test her for it.

I've been staying the hell away from her just in case, but it's tough when she's miserable and sick and just wants a hug, you know?
 
2020-05-05 2:50:25 PM  

Artist: It seems that there are cases of what used to be called "lingering". Especially popular in Edwardian and Victorian literature. Folks-women especially, got sick, then hung out. For months. Looking out windows, writing novels, poetry or needlework. The occasional walk across the fen, swamp, brooks and so on and so forth. Some of 'em were then taken to Sanatoriums, to get cured. I wonder if that might be a logical step. Have long term, non-nursing home, care of what may turn out to be a large group of people who do have prolonged recovery periods. Since they're all sick, but not that sick, why not try to get them together, analyze their collective symptoms, begin designing clinical trials and understand what is happening to this group. 'Cause, I betcha, there are a lot of people who think they're recovered and have the issues described in the article.


I was thinking about retiring and walking around fens for the rest of my life, so luckily I think I have some near my house. I do needlework too.

I think Sigmund Freud discovered that all those women needed was a good hard dicking. He used different words though.
 
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