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(Washington Post)   The Tara Reade scandal surrounding Biden is 2020's version of "but her emails"   (washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2020-05-04 3:50:45 PM  
would love to comment but paywall means I can't RTFA.
 
2020-05-04 3:55:01 PM  
Clearly, after the Ukraine thing blew up in their face the GOP decided this was their next best bet. Thin ice for sure given Trump's well documented depravity, but when it's all you got you go with it.
 
2020-05-04 3:57:32 PM  
Well duh, Republicans are still adamant that there was something to those emails. And by something, I mean a Satanic cult of child molesting world leaders hiding in the basement of a pizza shop and planning the next Benghazi.
 
2020-05-04 3:57:47 PM  
At some point the Right Wing will throw something at the wall that will gain traction with the media. It will be something stupid, something that the GOP are equally guilty of.

The media will presumably know it's bullshiat, but that won't stop them.
 
2020-05-04 4:08:07 PM  
Please. Put her under oath. Double-dog dares ya.

Kind of like the gal who "misremembered" where Biden talked about her girl bewbs when he wasn't even in attendance. Or the previous year's event that she tried to switch to. Sort of like outing Mueller for sexual harassment, that he apparently committed when he was in court, giving testimony.

I get it: Donnie has a LOT of sexual misconduct on file, so it might seem like leveling the playing field, or better yet, getting Bernie on the ballot because you like the odds better, but I have a crazy idea: how about you put together a platfo...OK, I tried. I'm sorry guys. I can't finish that in good faith, because we know that ain't gonna happen...
 
2020-05-04 4:08:59 PM  
The republican strategy should have gone for a crime that Trump isn't already assumed to be guilty of and admitted to, proudly.
 
2020-05-04 4:09:51 PM  
Versus Trump, sexual assault is not a disqualifier.  Sorry.  I didn't make the rule.
 
2020-05-04 4:25:35 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Versus Trump, sexual assault is not a disqualifier.  Sorry.  I didn't make the rule.


Yay, we have now normalized sexual assault again.

Remember when people went around saying "this is not normal" when Trump was doing illegal or unethical shiat at the start of his term?

Yeah, we accepted all of that and now it's normal. We're totally going to win the race to the bottom and it won't even be close. Of course, we're only racing ourselves, but the important thing is that we win. USA wins again! We're number one!
 
2020-05-04 4:28:15 PM  
Or we could just say that we have a choice of men running for President that grab women by the ....
 
2020-05-04 4:28:54 PM  
A fig leaf for suburban Republicans to hide behind in order to explain their second Dump vote?

Yeah, that sounds about right.
 
2020-05-04 4:29:05 PM  
#metoo  we hardly knew ye
 
2020-05-04 4:29:42 PM  
I wonder how often she talks to Rudy Giuliani?
 
2020-05-04 4:30:16 PM  

hubiestubert: Please. Put her under oath. Double-dog dares ya.


She refuses to be even interviewed by FOX. You think she's going to go under oath?
 
2020-05-04 4:30:45 PM  
The rhetoric surrounding rape allegations is so depressingly predictable.

It's not just the Republicans who are pushing it in bad faith.  There are also progressives who are pushing it in good faith, because the Democrats claim that they're better than this.  Well, here's their chance to prove it, and they're showing themselves to be just as cynical and dismissive as the Republicans.

Either way, this is a thing that exists right now, and the Democrats would do well to adhere to their own moral code.
 
2020-05-04 4:31:52 PM  
Anyone who votes for Trump because of this (or just votes for Trump, period) deserves to get a major dose of Covid-19 delivered via Murder Hornet stings.
 
2020-05-04 4:32:05 PM  

Mugato: The republican strategy should have gone for a crime that Trump isn't already assumed to be guilty of and admitted to, proudly.


That wouldn't leave them any room to actually campaign.

"Vote for Trump.  He's... not Biden!"
 
2020-05-04 4:32:20 PM  

austerity101: The rhetoric surrounding rape allegations is so depressingly predictable.

It's not just the Republicans who are pushing it in bad faith.  There are also progressives who are pushing it in good faith, because the Democrats claim that they're better than this.  Well, here's their chance to prove it, and they're showing themselves to be just as cynical and dismissive as the Republicans.

Either way, this is a thing that exists right now, and the Democrats would do well to adhere to their own moral code.


Do not equate moderate Democrats with progressives ever. Moderates follow the same cheat sheet and ideals as Republicans.
 
2020-05-04 4:32:23 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Marcus Aurelius: Versus Trump, sexual assault is not a disqualifier.  Sorry.  I didn't make the rule.

Yay, we have now normalized sexual assault again.

Remember when people went around saying "this is not normal" when Trump was doing illegal or unethical shiat at the start of his term?

Yeah, we accepted all of that and now it's normal. We're totally going to win the race to the bottom and it won't even be close. Of course, we're only racing ourselves, but the important thing is that we win. USA wins again! We're number one!


A lie about Biden is not the same thing as the truth about Trump. Even a nutcase of average intelligence should be able to understand that, so why can't you?
 
2020-05-04 4:32:41 PM  
There is a choice.

Vote for Biden.

Vote for four more years of Orange.

It's yours to make.
 
2020-05-04 4:32:44 PM  

Action Replay Nick: Well duh, Republicans are still adamant that there was something to those emails. And by something, I mean a Satanic cult of child molesting world leaders hiding in the basement of a pizza shop and planning the next Benghazi.


Hillary was just in it for the pizza.
 
2020-05-04 4:33:21 PM  

sinner4ever: Or we could just say that we have a choice of men running for President that grab women by the ....


That's what Trump is going for, yes.
 
2020-05-04 4:33:30 PM  
Yeah, Tara, Russian troll.
 
2020-05-04 4:33:51 PM  

hubiestubert: Please. Put her under oath. Double-dog dares ya.

Kind of like the gal who "misremembered" where Biden talked about her girl bewbs when he wasn't even in attendance. Or the previous year's event that she tried to switch to. Sort of like outing Mueller for sexual harassment, that he apparently committed when he was in court, giving testimony.


Mueller was at jury duty, not giving testimony.

Just so some of our FARK derp thinkers can't try to call you out on that.
 
2020-05-04 4:34:35 PM  
Joe Biden:

1) A notorious liar
2) Ran cover for a sexual harasser (Anita Hill)
3) Has a history of invading women's personal space in public

Tara Reade has more corroboration than do most accusers (and a lot more than Blasey Ford did).

Maybe he did it. Maybe he didn't. But the accusations are utterly plausible.

So, yeah, if you support women and just dismiss Reade out of hand, you only support women until it's politically inconvenient to do so.

And, yes, if it comes down to it, I'll vote for Biden in the fall, but I'm not going to weave fantasies in my mind to make it more palatable.
 
2020-05-04 4:34:43 PM  

hubiestubert: Please. Put her under oath. Double-dog dares ya.

Kind of like the gal who "misremembered" where Biden talked about her girl bewbs when he wasn't even in attendance. Or the previous year's event that she tried to switch to. Sort of like outing Mueller for sexual harassment, that he apparently committed when he was in court, giving testimony.

I get it: Donnie has a LOT of sexual misconduct on file, so it might seem like leveling the playing field, or better yet, getting Bernie on the ballot because you like the odds better, but I have a crazy idea: how about you put together a platfo...OK, I tried. I'm sorry guys. I can't finish that in good faith, because we know that ain't gonna happen...


The problem is that the truth does not matter anymore and hasn't since at least the John Kerry campaign.  The Swift Boat Veterans for Justice taught Republicans that it does not matter if the documented truth disproves the lie.  Their voters will just claim the documents don't matter or are fakes.
 
2020-05-04 4:35:01 PM  
I'm at the point that by hook or by crook dumpy's tax returns should see the light of day. Illegal to do so? Fark that. There is no rule of law anymore anyway.

Would it help? Who knows? It certainly couldn't help him.
 
2020-05-04 4:35:17 PM  

mithras_angel: hubiestubert: Please. Put her under oath. Double-dog dares ya.

Kind of like the gal who "misremembered" where Biden talked about her girl bewbs when he wasn't even in attendance. Or the previous year's event that she tried to switch to. Sort of like outing Mueller for sexual harassment, that he apparently committed when he was in court, giving testimony.

Mueller was at jury duty, not giving testimony.

Just so some of our FARK derp thinkers can't try to call you out on that.


But Jacob Wohl said you could be two places at once!
 
2020-05-04 4:36:35 PM  

sinner4ever: austerity101: The rhetoric surrounding rape allegations is so depressingly predictable.

It's not just the Republicans who are pushing it in bad faith.  There are also progressives who are pushing it in good faith, because the Democrats claim that they're better than this.  Well, here's their chance to prove it, and they're showing themselves to be just as cynical and dismissive as the Republicans.

Either way, this is a thing that exists right now, and the Democrats would do well to adhere to their own moral code.

Do not equate moderate Democrats with progressives ever. Moderates follow the same cheat sheet and ideals as Republicans.


Thanks but I'd rather not take advice on what "Democrats" are or aren't based on what a Socialist's fanboy thinks, any more than I would a Republican.
 
2020-05-04 4:36:43 PM  

eiger: Joe Biden:

1) A notorious liar
2) Ran cover for a sexual harasser (Anita Hill)
3) Has a history of invading women's personal space in public

Tara Reade has more corroboration than do most accusers (and a lot more than Blasey Ford did).

Maybe he did it. Maybe he didn't. But the accusations are utterly plausible.

So, yeah, if you support women and just dismiss Reade out of hand, you only support women until it's politically inconvenient to do so.

And, yes, if it comes down to it, I'll vote for Biden in the fall, but I'm not going to weave fantasies in my mind to make it more palatable.


I'm going to vote against DJT.

Just letting you know.
 
2020-05-04 4:36:43 PM  
Oh great. The "concerned" people are back.

Fark you all. The 57 threads about this so far have shown most of you for what you are. And you do not give ONE SINGLE FARK about Tara Reade.
 
2020-05-04 4:36:46 PM  
The new detail is that the Secretary of the Senate has said that Biden cannot ask for the records to be released on his own, Ms. Reade needs to sign off on it.

I am being told that obviously Biden knew this and it is a 12th Dimensional Chess move to seal the records away forever because he knows he is guilty because he won't turn over nearly 40 years of personal documents at the University of Delaware to some neutral third party like Sean Hannity to determine if he is innocent.
 
2020-05-04 4:37:12 PM  

eiger: Joe Biden:

1) A notorious liar
2) Ran cover for a sexual harasser (Anita Hill)
3) Has a history of invading women's personal space in public

Tara Reade has more corroboration than do most accusers (and a lot more than Blasey Ford did).

Maybe he did it. Maybe he didn't. But the accusations are utterly plausible.

So, yeah, if you support women and just dismiss Reade out of hand, you only support women until it's politically inconvenient to do so.

And, yes, if it comes down to it, I'll vote for Biden in the fall, but I'm not going to weave fantasies in my mind to make it more palatable.


If Biden did this to Reade, then why was she supporting him in the years since then?  Why has her story changed from "hands on the shoulder" to "fingers in my hoo haa"?  Why did she post this on Twitter?

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2020-05-04 4:37:54 PM  

Gubbo: At some point the Right Wing will throw something at the wall that will gain traction with the media. It will be something stupid, something that the GOP are equally guilty of.

The media will presumably know it's bullshiat, but that won't stop them.


I already have several very liberal friends saying they won't be voting for Biden over this.  Believing that taking the morally superior road is the better choice and viewing it as "Voting for a rapist is the same as voting for any rapist"

It would be nice if the DNC would drop Biden, he's tainted and too easy a target for this kind of crap.  But if they're determined to run him, he's still LEAGUES better than Trump.

Still, enough people going rogue 3rd party and it's 2016 all over again.  I'm holding my tongue since they're still busy posting crap and crying into the void that is FB, but I'm going to ask them closer to November if, in 2022 after Trump wins his 2nd term, would they regret their vote.
 
2020-05-04 4:37:58 PM  
They have nothing, so the best play is to give them nothing.
 
2020-05-04 4:38:02 PM  
At least i can add a few more to my "totally legit progressive" ignore list
 
2020-05-04 4:38:13 PM  

eiger: Joe Biden:

1) A notorious liar
2) Ran cover for a sexual harasser (Anita Hill)
3) Has a history of invading women's personal space in public

Tara Reade has more corroboration than do most accusers (and a lot more than Blasey Ford did).

Maybe he did it. Maybe he didn't. But the accusations are utterly plausible.

So, yeah, if you support women and just dismiss Reade out of hand, you only support women until it's politically inconvenient to do so.

And, yes, if it comes down to it, I'll vote for Biden in the fall, but I'm not going to weave fantasies in my mind to make it more palatable.


I'd also add the fact Chris Dodd, known harasser, is in his campaign. We are responsible for the company we keep.
 
2020-05-04 4:38:40 PM  

Grungehamster: some neutral third party like Sean Hannity


I see a small flaw...
 
2020-05-04 4:38:51 PM  

eiger: Tara Reade has more corroboration than do most accusers (and a lot more than Blasey Ford did).


She has 1 person (that will give their name) that corroborates her claim. And that was years after it happened.

She has more people that she claim she told say she never said a word to them than the other way around.

She lost every shred of credibility when her brother forgot the script he was given.

Her story has changed more than Trump changes his Depends.
 
2020-05-04 4:40:15 PM  

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: At least i can add a few more to my "totally legit progressive" ignore list


Be sure to blame yourself when the people you proclaim you ignore don't vote the way you want them to.
 
2020-05-04 4:40:54 PM  

HerptheDerp: Gubbo: At some point the Right Wing will throw something at the wall that will gain traction with the media. It will be something stupid, something that the GOP are equally guilty of.

The media will presumably know it's bullshiat, but that won't stop them.

I already have several very liberal friends saying they won't be voting for Biden over this.  Believing that taking the morally superior road is the better choice and viewing it as "Voting for a rapist is the same as voting for any rapist"

It would be nice if the DNC would drop Biden, he's tainted and too easy a target for this kind of crap.  But if they're determined to run him, he's still LEAGUES better than Trump.

Still, enough people going rogue 3rd party and it's 2016 all over again.  I'm holding my tongue since they're still busy posting crap and crying into the void that is FB, but I'm going to ask them closer to November if, in 2022 after Trump wins his 2nd term, would they regret their vote.


Then your liberal friends don't get to say one goddamn word when Trump locks more kids in cages. Not a farkin' peep.
 
2020-05-04 4:41:05 PM  

IgG4: Clearly, after the Ukraine thing blew up in their face the GOP decided this was their next best bet. Thin ice for sure given Trump's well documented depravity, but when it's all you got you go with it.


This is being driven by left-wing media which is now actively working to help re-elect Trump because their driving motivation is punishing everyone for not supporting Sanders.
 
2020-05-04 4:41:36 PM  
You think?
 
2020-05-04 4:42:32 PM  

anjin-san: IgG4: Clearly, after the Ukraine thing blew up in their face the GOP decided this was their next best bet. Thin ice for sure given Trump's well documented depravity, but when it's all you got you go with it.

This is being driven by left-wing media which is now actively working to help re-elect Trump because their driving motivation is punishing everyone for not supporting Sanders.


Ummmm, wut.

there is no left wing media on any scale that matters in the US
 
2020-05-04 4:42:40 PM  

OldRod: Grungehamster: some neutral third party like Sean Hannity

I see a small flaw...


I was being facetious about NYT's proposed solution that Biden and the DNC come up with a panel of neutral third party observers to have full review of his personal records in the Senate and as Vice President to determine if there is anything objectionable in there:

If they find something, it hurts Biden. If they don't find something, critics will maintain that the DNC and Biden could not be trusted to name neutral third party individuals and the calls come to have another group get a chance at investigating the documents.
 
2020-05-04 4:42:48 PM  

anjin-san: IgG4: Clearly, after the Ukraine thing blew up in their face the GOP decided this was their next best bet. Thin ice for sure given Trump's well documented depravity, but when it's all you got you go with it.

This is being driven by left-wing media which is now actively working to help re-elect Trump because their driving motivation is punishing everyone for not supporting Sanders.


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2020-05-04 4:43:08 PM  

eiger: Joe Biden:

1) A notorious liar
2) Ran cover for a sexual harasser (Anita Hill)
3) Has a history of invading women's personal space in public

Tara Reade has more corroboration than do most accusers (and a lot more than Blasey Ford did).

Maybe he did it. Maybe he didn't. But the accusations are utterly plausible.

So, yeah, if you support women and just dismiss Reade out of hand, you only support women until it's politically inconvenient to do so.

And, yes, if it comes down to it, I'll vote for Biden in the fall, but I'm not going to weave fantasies in my mind to make it more palatable.


Let's examine how both Reade and Biden have acted during this.

Biden encourages an investigation.
Biden denies what happened.
Biden asks for any report of harassment made to be unsealed.

Reade starts with claiming Biden made her uncomfortable with unwanted touching but it wasn't sexual in nature.
Reade changes her story and accuses Biden of sexually assaulting her.
Reade edits past posts she's made to make the second story sound more credible.
Reade brother doesn't corroborate the story until he's coached by Nathan Robinson on what to say.
Reade claims at the time she filed a report, this is later recanted once Biden asks for all reports retaining to her to be released.
Reade is now claiming she didn't use the word sexual harassment when filing a complaint.
Reade has changed her story why she left Washington and working for Biden multiple times.

Why are they plausible?  This doesn't even look at her history of supporting and complimenting Biden, supporting Putin, her strange countdown message on twitter, the fact she refuses to be interviewed by the mainstream press and also claims they are ignoring her.  It ignore the amount of people she's accused of assaulting her, the charity she ripped off.  Why does she get the benefit of doubt with a mountain of red flags?
 
2020-05-04 4:43:25 PM  

austerity101: Either way, this is a thing that exists right now, and the Democrats would do well to adhere to their own moral code.


Don't have to adhere to a moral code when you don't have one.

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2020-05-04 4:43:53 PM  

OldRod: eiger: Joe Biden:

1) A notorious liar
2) Ran cover for a sexual harasser (Anita Hill)
3) Has a history of invading women's personal space in public

Tara Reade has more corroboration than do most accusers (and a lot more than Blasey Ford did).

Maybe he did it. Maybe he didn't. But the accusations are utterly plausible.

So, yeah, if you support women and just dismiss Reade out of hand, you only support women until it's politically inconvenient to do so.

And, yes, if it comes down to it, I'll vote for Biden in the fall, but I'm not going to weave fantasies in my mind to make it more palatable.

If Biden did this to Reade, then why was she supporting him in the years since then?  Why has her story changed from "hands on the shoulder" to "fingers in my hoo haa"?  Why did she post this on Twitter?

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That, and she works as an advocate for women who have been sexually assaulted.  If she is like my advocate friends, she knows exactly how to talk about sexual assault to the media.  It's not just suspicious that her story changed, but mind boggling considering she was someone who helped other women get justice when it happened to them.
 
2020-05-04 4:44:26 PM  
I'm confused? I thought it was a good thing to grab them by the pussy? I thought they just let you?
 
2020-05-04 4:44:36 PM  

HerptheDerp: It would be nice if the DNC would drop Biden, he's tainted and too easy a target for this kind of crap.  But if they're determined to run him, he's still LEAGUES better than Trump.


Do you have someone in mind that the GOP wouldn't pull the exact same playbook on about 45 minutes after their nomination?
 
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