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(South China Morning Post)   China set to unveil new nuclear stealth bomber that could reach Los Angeles with nukes or Covid-19 like virus, whichever they choose to destroy America with   (scmp.com) divider line
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2020-05-04 1:39:16 PM  
40 votes:
Like they need to destroy America. We are doing a great job of destroying ourselves. All we need to do is elect more Republicans.
 
2020-05-04 1:56:08 PM  
19 votes:
Yep.  The "greatest nation on Earth" is also the greatest at destroying itself.

al Qaeda figured that out.  One day of attacks was all it took for us to kill thousands of our own, hundreds of thousands of others and lose a shiat load of money in the process.

Get a Republican in office and America is that much closer to her demise.
 
2020-05-04 2:16:30 PM  
12 votes:

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Like they need to destroy America. We are doing a great job of destroying ourselves. All we need to do is elect more Republicans.

I presume "can reach L.A." is just sensationalism.  China has no incentive to pose a military threat to the U.S. directly.  Not when Congress has opened every orifice to foreign and multi-national interests.

Why invade when you can get insane RoIs that exceed any threat-imposed tribute by hiring a lobbying firm?
 
2020-05-04 2:22:29 PM  
10 votes:
So China claims to have "quantum radar" that makes stealth bombers obsolete and yet they just built a stealth bomber? That's an awfully expensive matching set of belt and suspenders, no?
 
2020-05-04 2:30:09 PM  
9 votes:
This will give middle-aged guys who read Clancy novels an excuse to add more "Chicoms" and "Norks" to their conversations.
 
2020-05-04 2:21:33 PM  
9 votes:

Nimbull: That looks like a B-2... I wonder where they got that design?


You mean a design that first flew 31 years ago, and is about to be replaced by...something...that requires a big-ass hanger that they've built over a taxiway at Area 51?
 
2020-05-04 2:30:43 PM  
8 votes:
Like they need a stealth bomber when they could just fill a few dozen container ships with TNT and we'd happily distribute it to every Walmart in the country.
 
2020-05-04 3:10:38 PM  
7 votes:
Yes, but then who will buy their crap?
 
2020-05-04 2:59:53 PM  
7 votes:

beezeltown: fragMasterFlash: So China claims to have "quantum radar" that makes stealth bombers obsolete and yet they just built a stealth bomber? That's an awfully expensive matching set of belt and suspenders, no?

I can type words like "quantum radar," too. Anybody can make shiat up. Iran honestly tried to pass off bad photoshops as "proof" of their scary program.


Subby: nuclear stealth bomber

The article: supersonic stealth bomber

Meanwhile the article shows a design that is...

- Probably inaccurate
- Definitely subsonic
- Not powered by a nuclear reactor
- Presumably capable of carrying nuclear weapons
 
2020-05-04 2:38:27 PM  
7 votes:

Nimbull: That looks like a B-2... I wonder where they got that design?


The Nazis?

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2020-05-04 2:25:13 PM  
6 votes:
So, in spite of what the article says - it looks like this is a sub-sonic stealth bomber.  I was trying to figure out how the hell they'd make a B2 knock-off that was supersonic, or more to the point, supersonic more than once.
 
2020-05-04 2:23:43 PM  
6 votes:

Nimbull: That looks like a B-2... I wonder where they got that design?


Gonna guess one of the B-2's designers.
 
2020-05-04 2:20:04 PM  
5 votes:

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Like they need to destroy America. We are doing a great job of destroying ourselves. All we need to do is elect more Republicans.


Yup. If they actually wanted to destroy us they just have to keep donating to the Republican party/candidates and American right wing lobbyists, think tanks, and organizations like Putin has done to spectacular success.
 
2020-05-04 2:19:58 PM  
5 votes:
Chinese dominance is fine, so long as you don't expect to be able to vote or dissent against government.
 
2020-05-04 2:19:32 PM  
5 votes:

Nimbull: That looks like a B-2... I wonder where they got that design?


Photoshop?
 
2020-05-04 2:00:57 PM  
5 votes:
pretty sure they can drop the debt bomb any time they like and not leave their desk.
 
2020-05-05 11:57:46 AM  
4 votes:

Kalashinator: Riche: Why hasn't anybody developed or announced a stealth cruise missile? You would be getting the best of both worlds-- blowing the hell out of distant targets with zero warning and zero risk of getting your crew shot down.

A stealth cruise missile wouldn't be cheap, but it would still be peanuts compared to the acquisition and operational costs of a fleet of stealth aircraft. I sometimes suspect the USAF has a modest stockpile and are keeping them super-secret.

Or decommissioned them:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-129_​ACM

And there's still updated versions of the non-nuclear AGM-86, with a conventional one in active service and nuclear successor in the works to replace them.

Sweden/Germany developed the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KEPD_350

UK/France/Italy also developed the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_Sh​adow

Could be more from other nations, but I didn't delve deeper into it.  Knowing how susceptible I am to wiki-walking, I'd wind up at the production of The New Yankee Workshop or some shiat, not knowing how the hell I got there.


Also, If you're prone to wiki-walking, stay clear of TVtropes unless you have an entire day to kill. That site is pure internet quicksand.
 
2020-05-04 6:03:01 PM  
4 votes:

Kalashinator: Riche: Why hasn't anybody developed or announced a stealth cruise missile? You would be getting the best of both worlds-- blowing the hell out of distant targets with zero warning and zero risk of getting your crew shot down.

A stealth cruise missile wouldn't be cheap, but it would still be peanuts compared to the acquisition and operational costs of a fleet of stealth aircraft. I sometimes suspect the USAF has a modest stockpile and are keeping them super-secret.

Or decommissioned them:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-129_​ACM

And there's still updated versions of the non-nuclear AGM-86, with a conventional one in active service and nuclear successor in the works to replace them.

Sweden/Germany developed the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KEPD_350

UK/France/Italy also developed the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_Sh​adow

Could be more from other nations, but I didn't delve deeper into it.  Knowing how susceptible I am to wiki-walking, I'd wind up at the production of The New Yankee Workshop or some shiat, not knowing how the hell I got there.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-158​C​_LRASM

There are others, but the LRASM is actually in procurement.
 
2020-05-04 5:07:04 PM  
4 votes:

Nimbull: That looks like a B-2... I wonder where they got that design?


part of why i like the Republicans' push to remove Chinese influence from American campuses...of course you still have US-hating professors all over the place which doesn't help. We need to get the Chinese out of everything we have like media, defense, bring back our manufacturing base, etc. I'm frankly tired of them worming their way into our infrastructure.....I'm not alone, either.
 
2020-05-04 3:29:35 PM  
4 votes:

khatores: not enough beer: Cythraul: Ringshadow: We've had bombers that can cross the world with dangerous payload for decades. Why is this news?

It's news because it implies that China is slowly becoming our military equal.  And that when their economy gets strong enough, they will attemp to replace the U.S. as one of their major trading partners.  Then they will use that military might to go tell us to fark ourselves.

Not in a direct invasion of the United States, mind you. But more like China using its military might to invade other smaller countries to exert its will. You know, like the way the United States has been doing for the past 60 years.   And some of those smaller nations may be friends of ours.

They won't try to replace us as a trading partner. They need us to buy their shiat. I will also point out China has bought like 3 aerospace companies trying to build a reliable jet engine and their attempt at an airliner has been a farking disaster. The FAA and EASA have nothing shiat it down multiple times.

It would be wrong to underestimate the Chinese. They have 4 times as many people as the US, so for every outstanding scientist or engineer that we have, they can have 4 if they apply themselves to educating the population. Vast numbers of their people can live in substandard conditions but as long as they all produce something and contribute to the tax base, their national GDP can still match that of the US. The population may be dirt poor but the government gets paid.

Over time, they'll catch up and potentially exceed the West in technology overall. They're certainly giving us a run for our money. If there's anything history has shown us, it's that no one is untouchable, no empire is invulnerable and a determined group of people should never be underestimated.

This could be good in the sense of competition leading to more innovation overall - eg, the Space Race, better products, more economic competitiveness, etc. It could also be bad if it leads to war.

The p ...


The Chinese's problem is that in the last few decades, there have been a few hundred million people who have gotten a taste of getting to participate in their government. They're not going to like the authoritarianism that the Chinese will try to impart on the planet.
 
2020-05-04 2:54:29 PM  
4 votes:

Ringshadow: We've had bombers that can cross the world with dangerous payload for decades. Why is this news?


It's news because it implies that China is slowly becoming our military equal.  And that when their economy gets strong enough, they will attemp to replace the U.S. as one of their major trading partners.  Then they will use that military might to go tell us to fark ourselves.

Not in a direct invasion of the United States, mind you. But more like China using its military might to invade other smaller countries to exert its will. You know, like the way the United States has been doing for the past 60 years.   And some of those smaller nations may be friends of ours.
 
2020-05-04 2:39:56 PM  
4 votes:
Is it the H-20? (checks article). YEAH H-20.  Wake me when they have an engine to put into it.  And it's not stealthy, its steath-ish, and doesn't look like a B-2.
 
2020-05-04 2:16:15 PM  
4 votes:
That looks like a B-2... I wonder where they got that design?
 
2020-05-04 5:06:26 PM  
3 votes:

Bluenosed Baker: Have they been able to design, and produce a reliable turbine engine yet? You know, one that they don't skimp on the alloys to grift a few cents and the thing detonated because it's out of tolerance?


Let's see:

"The WS-10 is still a transitional engine for the H-20 because it is not powerful enough. The eligible replacement may take two to three years for development," one of the sources said

Those are jet engine development years, not calendar years.
 
2020-05-04 4:27:24 PM  
3 votes:

arcgear: more bombs laden with the kung-flu

but seriously, I don't think any proper nation-state would resort to such war crimes.  retaliation is pretty much a foregone conclusion: escalation to mushroom clouds and lead vaults.


Why do you think USAF keeps cobalt around?
The USAF can ensure every city in any nation on earth is a poison wasteland for a century and a half. Not because they want to, but because it brackets the range of acceptable behavior.

WE WILL ERASE YOU, EVERYTHING YOU HOLD DEAR, AND ALL IT HOLDS DEAR FROM THE EARTH.

Is less a threat than a promise of stability.
 
2020-05-04 3:21:53 PM  
3 votes:
That doesn't look like a supersonic flying wing. The problem is supersonic aircraft need their wings to be very thin - too thin to store crew, bombs etc. So a craft that is all wing is at a disadvantage there.

Someone came up with a design that actually yaws a quarter turn in flight to present a different wing profile. Basically two aircraft at once, shaped like a flying star. Nobody has built it yet to see if it really works and I wonder if its stealthy.
 
2020-05-04 3:08:13 PM  
3 votes:

not enough beer: Cythraul: Ringshadow: We've had bombers that can cross the world with dangerous payload for decades. Why is this news?

It's news because it implies that China is slowly becoming our military equal.  And that when their economy gets strong enough, they will attemp to replace the U.S. as one of their major trading partners.  Then they will use that military might to go tell us to fark ourselves.

Not in a direct invasion of the United States, mind you. But more like China using its military might to invade other smaller countries to exert its will. You know, like the way the United States has been doing for the past 60 years.   And some of those smaller nations may be friends of ours.

They won't try to replace us as a trading partner. They need us to buy their shiat. I will also point out China has bought like 3 aerospace companies trying to build a reliable jet engine and their attempt at an airliner has been a farking disaster. The FAA and EASA have nothing shiat it down multiple times.


It would be wrong to underestimate the Chinese. They have 4 times as many people as the US, so for every outstanding scientist or engineer that we have, they can have 4 if they apply themselves to educating the population. Vast numbers of their people can live in substandard conditions but as long as they all produce something and contribute to the tax base, their national GDP can still match that of the US. The population may be dirt poor but the government gets paid.

Over time, they'll catch up and potentially exceed the West in technology overall. They're certainly giving us a run for our money. If there's anything history has shown us, it's that no one is untouchable, no empire is invulnerable and a determined group of people should never be underestimated.

This could be good in the sense of competition leading to more innovation overall - eg, the Space Race, better products, more economic competitiveness, etc. It could also be bad if it leads to war.

The people sent to fight wars generally don't make much noise about it because they've been told that they're "fighting for their country", but the only people who benefit are politicians and people who make money making weapons. Let's not have a war.
 
2020-05-04 3:07:19 PM  
3 votes:
What's the plan, bomb LA then land at LAX?
Because there won't be a home to return to.
 
2020-05-04 2:34:50 PM  
3 votes:

macadamnut: Marine1: macadamnut: Marine1: Chinese dominance is fine, so long as you don't expect to be able to vote or dissent against government.

I'm American, so I don't.

Like you just did?

This is a moderated corporate wind tunnel, not a public forum. Also, show me on the straw man where I just voted or expressed dissent against a government.


Noam, is that you?
 
2020-05-04 2:23:43 PM  
3 votes:

mathamagical: I hope it gets a bad-ass name from something in Chinese mythology or history that was powerful and deadly like "the dragon" or "the salamander" or "the tasty bat soup"


I pick Tasty Bat Soup. At least that one's real and killed citizens of nations around the world.
 
2020-05-04 6:46:41 PM  
2 votes:

Kalashinator: Jubeebee: Kalashinator: Riche: Why hasn't anybody developed or announced a stealth cruise missile? You would be getting the best of both worlds-- blowing the hell out of distant targets with zero warning and zero risk of getting your crew shot down.

A stealth cruise missile wouldn't be cheap, but it would still be peanuts compared to the acquisition and operational costs of a fleet of stealth aircraft. I sometimes suspect the USAF has a modest stockpile and are keeping them super-secret.

Or decommissioned them:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-129_​ACM

And there's still updated versions of the non-nuclear AGM-86, with a conventional one in active service and nuclear successor in the works to replace them.

Sweden/Germany developed the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KEPD_350

UK/France/Italy also developed the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_Sh​adow

Could be more from other nations, but I didn't delve deeper into it.  Knowing how susceptible I am to wiki-walking, I'd wind up at the production of The New Yankee Workshop or some shiat, not knowing how the hell I got there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-158C​_LRASM

There are others, but the LRASM is actually in procurement.

Neat!  Hadn't heard about that one.  Thanks!


/aw, dangit


The Tomahawk is being adapted for a maritime strike role also.  Though not designated "stealth" it has a very low radar cross section and flies low to the water providing  a form of stealth all on its own
 
2020-05-04 5:42:11 PM  
2 votes:

Jack Sabbath: lose a shiat load of money in the process


How do we "lose" money when it's invested in defense contractors and the military? Like, 99% of that money is spent here in the United States. If I'm to believe the economic theories that government spending is a money multiplier as the cash moves through the economy, it seems like a benefit to our economy.
 
2020-05-04 5:34:53 PM  
2 votes:
Riche: Why hasn't anybody developed or announced a stealth cruise missile? You would be getting the best of both worlds-- blowing the hell out of distant targets with zero warning and zero risk of getting your crew shot down.

A stealth cruise missile wouldn't be cheap, but it would still be peanuts compared to the acquisition and operational costs of a fleet of stealth aircraft. I sometimes suspect the USAF has a modest stockpile and are keeping them super-secret.


Or decommissioned them:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-129​_​ACM

And there's still updated versions of the non-nuclear AGM-86, with a conventional one in active service and nuclear successor in the works to replace them.

Sweden/Germany developed the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KEPD_35​0

UK/France/Italy also developed the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_S​h​adow

Could be more from other nations, but I didn't delve deeper into it.  Knowing how susceptible I am to wiki-walking, I'd wind up at the production of The New Yankee Workshop or some shiat, not knowing how the hell I got there.
 
2020-05-04 5:11:08 PM  
2 votes:

dogsafark: Nimbull: That looks like a B-2... I wonder where they got that design?

part of why i like the Republicans' push to remove Chinese influence from American campuses...of course you still have US-hating professors all over the place which doesn't help. We need to get the Chinese out of everything we have like media, defense, bring back our manufacturing base, etc. I'm frankly tired of them worming their way into our infrastructure.....I'm not alone, either.


There are an enormous number of Chinese immigrants in the U.S. who came to escape the totalitarian CPC.

But the CPC has enormous resources and even for those who aren't willing paid agents there are often family members still back there under threat.

There are no good solutions.
 
2020-05-04 5:08:16 PM  
2 votes:
Yeah, but it's made of Chinesium so it'll flex itself apart before it makes it past Japan.
 
2020-05-04 4:58:32 PM  
2 votes:

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Like they need to destroy America. We are doing a great job of destroying ourselves. All we need to do is elect more Republicans.


calm down, Chicken Little. You have to have people who love the country in order to actually have the country.
 
2020-05-04 4:37:47 PM  
2 votes:

Nimbull: That looks like a B-2... I wonder where they got that design?


the Germans.  Just like the US did
 
2020-05-04 3:54:30 PM  
2 votes:

khatores: beezeltown: fragMasterFlash: So China claims to have "quantum radar" that makes stealth bombers obsolete and yet they just built a stealth bomber? That's an awfully expensive matching set of belt and suspenders, no?

I can type words like "quantum radar," too. Anybody can make shiat up. Iran honestly tried to pass off bad photoshops as "proof" of their scary program.

Subby: nuclear stealth bomber

The article: supersonic stealth bomber

Meanwhile the article shows a design that is...

- Probably inaccurate
- Definitely subsonic
- Not powered by a nuclear reactor
- Presumably capable of carrying nuclear weapons


To be fair, a nuclear bomber usually refers to the payload, not the propulsion. Yes I know it doesn't make sense.
 
2020-05-04 2:57:24 PM  
2 votes:

Cythraul: Ringshadow: We've had bombers that can cross the world with dangerous payload for decades. Why is this news?

It's news because it implies that China is slowly becoming our military equal.  And that when their economy gets strong enough, they will attemp to replace the U.S. as one of their major trading partners.  Then they will use that military might to go tell us to fark ourselves.

Not in a direct invasion of the United States, mind you. But more like China using its military might to invade other smaller countries to exert its will. You know, like the way the United States has been doing for the past 60 years.   And some of those smaller nations may be friends of ours.


They won't try to replace us as a trading partner. They need us to buy their shiat. I will also point out China has bought like 3 aerospace companies trying to build a reliable jet engine and their attempt at an airliner has been a farking disaster. The FAA and EASA have nothing shiat it down multiple times.
 
2020-05-04 2:41:19 PM  
2 votes:
The Remaining States of America will become The Chinese States of America. Pacifica will endeavor to develop good trade relations with our communist friends to the east.
 
2020-05-04 2:37:15 PM  
2 votes:

macadamnut: Sorry, I meant echo chamber. Although a wind tunnel's not the worst metaphor either.


Ah. I remember my first read-through of Howard Zinn.
 
2020-05-05 11:22:38 AM  
1 vote:

rodmunch: I love how these socialists rip off a 35-year old American design - just like the Soviets when they stole the plans to the Space Shuttle and built their fake version. Socialists just aren't good at doing anything original, other than spreading various viruses.


Yeah, but the Soviets were smart enough not to put people on theirs.
 
2020-05-05 12:45:16 AM  
1 vote:
I love how these socialists rip off a 35-year old American design - just like the Soviets when they stole the plans to the Space Shuttle and built their fake version. Socialists just aren't good at doing anything original, other than spreading various viruses.
 
2020-05-04 9:22:03 PM  
1 vote:

TommyDeuce: So, in spite of what the article says - it looks like this is a sub-sonic stealth bomber.  I was trying to figure out how the hell they'd make a B2 knock-off that was supersonic, or more to the point, supersonic more than once.


You can be stealthy or supersonic, but not both.
 
2020-05-04 7:44:53 PM  
1 vote:
Supersonic stealth? Good luck with that.
 
2020-05-04 5:33:20 PM  
1 vote:

dogsafark: thornhill: Nimbull: That looks like a B-2... I wonder where they got that design?

The Nazis?

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I believe Jack Northrop's flying wings were largely independent of the Horten designs. But love me some Nazi warbirds.


The Horten Ho 229 was the first to be jet powered.

Jack Northrop was well aware of the Horten brothers' flying-wing gliders back in the 1930s.
 
2020-05-04 5:19:37 PM  
1 vote:

dogsafark: thornhill: Nimbull: That looks like a B-2... I wonder where they got that design?

The Nazis?

[Fark user image 850x478]

I believe Jack Northrop's flying wings were largely independent of the Horten designs. But love me some Nazi warbirds.


Horten Ho. 229 - Hitler's UFO
Youtube QD3JWVSkDuU

short documentary on the horton bomber
 
2020-05-04 5:19:34 PM  
1 vote:

TheDirtyNacho: That doesn't look like a supersonic flying wing. The problem is supersonic aircraft need their wings to be very thin - too thin to store crew, bombs etc. So a craft that is all wing is at a disadvantage there.

Someone came up with a design that actually yaws a quarter turn in flight to present a different wing profile. Basically two aircraft at once, shaped like a flying star. Nobody has built it yet to see if it really works and I wonder if its stealthy.


There's supposedly two separate Chinese programs: the first is a supersonic, semi-stealthy bomber that fills a B-1 role and a second sub-sonic stealth bomber like the B-2.  The Chinese aren't known for advertising or even confirming their programs so there tends to be an over-reliance on rumors which leads to conflated descriptions, as seems to be the case here.  It also allows them to deny that failed programs ever existed.
 
2020-05-04 5:12:23 PM  
1 vote:

ketkarsa: I am pretty sure they can just embed some Chinpokemon-type shiat into Tik Tok videos and we will happily destroy ourselves.  See: USA 2020.


Speaking of things that I'm surprised we haven't collectively yeeted voluntarily or outlawed as spyware...
 
2020-05-04 5:08:19 PM  
1 vote:
Well Trump says they are trying to thwart his chances of re-election.

That doesn't sound to me like they want to destroy America. Sounds like they want to save it.
 
2020-05-04 5:01:02 PM  
1 vote:

Daer21: arcgear: Daer21: arcgear: more bombs laden with the kung-flu

but seriously, I don't think any proper nation-state would resort to such war crimes.  retaliation is pretty much a foregone conclusion: escalation to mushroom clouds and lead vaults.

Why do you think USAF keeps cobalt around?
The USAF can ensure every city in any nation on earth is a poison wasteland for a century and a half. Not because they want to, but because it brackets the range of acceptable behavior.

WE WILL ERASE YOU, EVERYTHING YOU HOLD DEAR, AND ALL IT HOLDS DEAR FROM THE EARTH.

Is less a threat than a promise of stability.

I was in the usaf with access to the WSA.  never saw or heard anything about stores of cobalt, though i wouldn't doubt that claim

then again, i always tried to weasel my way out of going in there.  having armed SS/SF (military police) and generally disgruntled guards following and menacing you with loaded rifles always made me uneasy.  people can be... volatile--and you never know what's going on inside their head.

They might not do it anymore. The threat of nuclear annihilation is enough without the enhanced radiation.

The promise is the same:
"No one will try to violently overthrow the world order and the USA will execute any nation state foolish enough to try. Peacefully, the global order will change as it will. Locally, violence is acceptable. Never shall the Twain meet.


could've been done before some treaty or another; in the 1950s i believe it was the Navy that rushed to detonate nuclear "air bursts" in order to disrupt soviet commsat links when this technology was all new.  the navy destroyed many of the documents pertaining to that operation.  what we know is from surviving declassified documents released to the public.

nevertheless, you may be right. poisoning the air and ground could be relics of the days of warfare past
 
2020-05-04 4:19:20 PM  
1 vote:
Yikes! Now they are only 23 years behind us in military tech.
 
2020-05-04 3:42:25 PM  
1 vote:

arcgear: more bombs laden with the kung-flu

but seriously, I don't think any proper nation-state would resort to such war crimes.  retaliation is pretty much a foregone conclusion: escalation to mushroom clouds and lead vaults.


Which is why Trump's recent allegations about the "Wuhan labs" are so dangerous.  It directly implicates our own stated nuclear response...and the Chinese know that.

It's not like it's a farking secret...it's the underpinning of our post-WW2 deterance.

Donnie just flushed it away...and that's the BEST case scenario.
 
2020-05-04 3:19:51 PM  
1 vote:

khatores: not enough beer: Cythraul: Ringshadow: We've had bombers that can cross the world with dangerous payload for decades. Why is this news?

It's news because it implies that China is slowly becoming our military equal.  And that when their economy gets strong enough, they will attemp to replace the U.S. as one of their major trading partners.  Then they will use that military might to go tell us to fark ourselves.

Not in a direct invasion of the United States, mind you. But more like China using its military might to invade other smaller countries to exert its will. You know, like the way the United States has been doing for the past 60 years.   And some of those smaller nations may be friends of ours.

They won't try to replace us as a trading partner. They need us to buy their shiat. I will also point out China has bought like 3 aerospace companies trying to build a reliable jet engine and their attempt at an airliner has been a farking disaster. The FAA and EASA have nothing shiat it down multiple times.

It would be wrong to underestimate the Chinese. They have 4 times as many people as the US, so for every outstanding scientist or engineer that we have, they can have 4 if they apply themselves to educating the population. Vast numbers of their people can live in substandard conditions but as long as they all produce something and contribute to the tax base, their national GDP can still match that of the US. The population may be dirt poor but the government gets paid.

Over time, they'll catch up and potentially exceed the West in technology overall. They're certainly giving us a run for our money. If there's anything history has shown us, it's that no one is untouchable, no empire is invulnerable and a determined group of people should never be underestimated.

This could be good in the sense of competition leading to more innovation overall - eg, the Space Race, better products, more economic competitiveness, etc. It could also be bad if it leads to war.

The people sent to fight wars generally don't make much noise about it because they've been told that they're "fighting for their country", but the only people who benefit are politicians and people who make money making weapons. Let's not have a war.


I am not underestimating them just simply saying so far aircraft design and engineering has not been their strong suit. That is partially because it is a large engineering feat but it is also a giant study in human factors. So a big reason beside their problems with jet engines is their interface. Yeah their systems on the airliner can be overly complex to interact with and present entirely too much information to pilots. So it's not about lack of brilliance it's lack of experience. Also as the F-35 taught us it is easy to over engineer aircraft.
 
2020-05-04 3:17:52 PM  
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Strategic bombers are far more dangerous  in an anti-shipping role.

Why bomb LA when you can sink all the ships & slowly strangle Hawaii, Japan, & South Korea?
Combine this with attack subs, smart mines , & autonomous underwater drones, & you could enact a cheap/effective naval blockade.
 
2020-05-04 3:06:35 PM  
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RainDawg: The Remaining States of America will become The Chinese States of America. Pacifica will endeavor to develop good trade relations with our communist friends to the east.


I'd rather we built a wall.
 
2020-05-04 2:44:53 PM  
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RainDawg: The Remaining States of America will become The Chinese States of America. Pacifica will endeavor to develop good trade relations with our communist friends to the east.


They already have.

That was the farking problem to begin with.
 
2020-05-04 2:44:38 PM  
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fragMasterFlash: So China claims to have "quantum radar" that makes stealth bombers obsolete and yet they just built a stealth bomber? That's an awfully expensive matching set of belt and suspenders, no?


I can type words like "quantum radar," too. Anybody can make shiat up. Iran honestly tried to pass off bad photoshops as "proof" of their scary program.
 
2020-05-04 2:44:01 PM  
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We've had bombers that can cross the world with dangerous payload for decades. Why is this news?
 
2020-05-04 2:35:13 PM  
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Sorry, I meant echo chamber. Although a wind tunnel's not the worst metaphor either.
 
2020-05-04 2:33:23 PM  
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Marine1: macadamnut: Marine1: Chinese dominance is fine, so long as you don't expect to be able to vote or dissent against government.

I'm American, so I don't.

Like you just did?


This is a moderated corporate wind tunnel, not a public forum. Also, show me on the straw man where I just voted or expressed dissent against a government.
 
2020-05-04 2:23:25 PM  
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Marine1: Chinese dominance is fine, so long as you don't expect to be able to vote or dissent against government.


I'm American, so I don't.
 
2020-05-04 2:19:29 PM  
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I hope it gets a bad-ass name from something in Chinese mythology or history that was powerful and deadly like "the dragon" or "the salamander" or "the tasty bat soup"
 
2020-05-04 2:19:21 PM  
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lol they have stockpiles of hypersonic missile already that can get to the u.s in 15min not sure that plane is going to be made in large numbers.
 
2020-05-04 2:13:15 PM  
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Isn't it cheaper to back their own moron to become president? Like maybe back Loie Gohmert or Steve King for president. And there's always Paris Hilton or Snooki.
 
2020-05-04 2:13:12 PM  
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I am pretty sure they can just embed some Chinpokemon-type shiat into Tik Tok videos and we will happily destroy ourselves.  See: USA 2020.
 
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