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(Daily Kos)   The GOP nightmare if Democrats control everything: Washington, D.C. and Puerto Rico gaining statehood, abolishing the Electoral College, and adding four judges to the Supreme Court   (dailykos.com) divider line
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2020-05-01 8:32:58 PM  
Yes please. And a maximum wage amendment.
 
2020-05-01 8:37:12 PM  

Pinnacle Point: Yes please. And a maximum wage amendment.


How about free childcare and eldercare?
 
2020-05-01 8:38:01 PM  
Careful. You want to be careful not to turn into Canada
 
2020-05-01 8:38:28 PM  
Militarize the EPA.
 
2020-05-01 8:39:10 PM  
problem?
 
2020-05-01 8:40:11 PM  

Gubbo: Careful. You want to be careful not to turn into Canada


Hell no, I'd rather get Lockheed Martin to build big farking seed bombs so I can terraform Mars,..... and possibly Russia.
 
2020-05-01 8:43:00 PM  
This brings to mind my favorite line from Neil Simon's Goodbye Girl - "Stop it! You're giving me that God-damned 'It's wonderful to be alive' feeling!"
 
2020-05-01 8:45:07 PM  
NTTAWWT
 
2020-05-01 8:46:07 PM  

Purple_Urkle: Gubbo: Careful. You want to be careful not to turn into Canada

Hell no, I'd rather get Lockheed Martin to build big farking seed bombs so I can terraform Mars,..... and possibly Russia.


Ain't nobody terraforming that cold, desolate, unforgiving wasteland.

But maybe they'll do Mars though.
 
2020-05-01 8:46:28 PM  
Yes, have some.
 
2020-05-01 8:59:03 PM  
GOP describe nightmare scenario of peace & prosperity for all, declare "It must be stopped!"
 
2020-05-01 9:00:00 PM  
So says the voice of reason David Perdue.
 
2020-05-01 9:05:06 PM  
The only thing on that list which cannot happen is statehood for DC, and that's only because the US Constitution requires that the Seat of the US Government must belong directly to the US Government.
 
2020-05-01 9:06:12 PM  

bloobeary: GOP describe nightmare scenario of peace & prosperity for all, declare "It must be stopped!"


Let's be truthful here

GOP describe nightmare scenario of slightly less wealth for obscenely wealthy people and non-white non-males getting some privileges, declare "It must be stopped!"
 
2020-05-01 9:06:46 PM  
To abolish the EC would take 39 states. I doubt we'll see either enough Republican General Assemblies vote for that or enough General Assemblies to flip any time soon. Perdue's Senate seat could well be in play, which suits me. I hope the troglodyte loses.
 
2020-05-01 9:11:42 PM  
Did someone just spike me with Viagra?
 
2020-05-01 9:16:43 PM  
fark the GOP
 
2020-05-01 9:17:28 PM  

Unobtanium: To abolish the EC would take 39 states. I doubt we'll see either enough Republican General Assemblies vote for that or enough General Assemblies to flip any time soon. Perdue's Senate seat could well be in play, which suits me. I hope the troglodyte loses.


To abolish it, yes; to functionally eliminate it by compact: Just need states comprising a majority of electoral votes to award their electors to the candidate who wins the national popular vote.
 
2020-05-01 9:19:30 PM  

Unobtanium: To abolish the EC would take 39 states. I doubt we'll see either enough Republican General Assemblies vote for that or enough General Assemblies to flip any time soon. Perdue's Senate seat could well be in play, which suits me. I hope the troglodyte loses.


Abolishment is one thing, but it can be defanged. Just pass a law requiring all states with 4 or more EVs to split their vote the same way Maine and Nebraska do; or have all states split their EVs based on the split of the statewide popular vote, with none of that nonsense about winning individual congressional districts to get individual electoral votes.
 
2020-05-01 9:27:20 PM  

Unobtanium: To abolish the EC would take 39 states. I doubt we'll see either enough Republican General Assemblies vote for that or enough General Assemblies to flip any time soon. Perdue's Senate seat could well be in play, which suits me. I hope the troglodyte loses.


Pretty much this, but it doesn't even come down to party. There are at least a dozen states that benefit from the disproportional representation the EC provides. D or R, they're not likely to voluntarily give that up without some sort of huge return.

A much more practical, and incrementally achievable, approach would be to lobby state legislatures to adopt a ME/NE model. It gets us closer to the popular vote a lot of people want, doesn't threaten states' EC counts, and you don't have to convince nearly the entire country at nearly the same time. It's also fairer to the will of the people in a given state than NPV.

/Of course there is still the gerrymandering problem, but that's a problem that needs to be addressed anyway and isn't unique to a ME/NE model.
 
2020-05-01 9:34:44 PM  
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2020-05-01 9:41:10 PM  
Can we win 1st before sucking each others dicks?
 
2020-05-01 9:54:07 PM  
Nice
 
2020-05-01 10:52:22 PM  
That possibility will have me jerking off so furiously I might warp time forward by a year.  And then I don't be able to vote.  And that would be bad.
 
2020-05-01 10:59:38 PM  
..and raising taxes on the obscenely wealthy and corporations and actually collecting those taxes.
 
2020-05-02 12:38:57 AM  
Please. Democrats don't have the balls. They're not going to go in and run roughshod over Republicans. They'll go in looking for compromise.
 
2020-05-02 12:43:41 AM  
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2020-05-02 1:37:40 AM  
the GOP's changing fortunes are in large part due to their own abysmal political agenda

"Should we calibrate our policies to ones that voters don't find repulsive?"

"Nah, let's just cheat more"
 
2020-05-02 1:47:33 AM  

bloobeary: GOP describe nightmare scenario of peace & prosperity for all, declare "It must be stopped!"


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2020-05-02 1:56:43 AM  
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2020-05-02 1:58:03 AM  
Not sure they'd abolish electoral college, but I'm sure I've read explanations as to how they can create more 'states' to overcome the disproportional rural/urban balance in electoral college and in Senate
 
2020-05-02 2:01:41 AM  

mjjt: Not sure they'd abolish electoral college, but I'm sure I've read explanations as to how they can create more 'states' to overcome the disproportional rural/urban balance in electoral college and in Senate


When the Democrats control the Senate pass a simple procedural rule that weights votes based on the number of people the Senator represents.
 
2020-05-02 2:01:57 AM  
One of the most obvious things they'll change is to stop electoral shenanigans.

Impartial committees to eliminate gerrymandering, make election day a public holiday, mandate minimum voting stations per capita, allow mail voting, allow early voting.
 
2020-05-02 2:39:07 AM  
I am absolutely certain not a single one of these things will happen.

Source: I have lived in this country many years and know how Democrats operate.
 
2020-05-02 2:39:56 AM  

King Something: The only thing on that list which cannot happen is statehood for DC, and that's only because the US Constitution requires that the Seat of the US Government must belong directly to the US Government.


Why is the city the 'seat' of the U.S. government? Just redefine the plotting.

Doesn't this run afoul in another way -- it essentially disenfranchises millions of citizens?
 
2020-05-02 2:43:17 AM  

Purple_Urkle: Militarize the EPA.


shiat, I'll re-up right meow for that.
 
2020-05-02 2:44:35 AM  

Purple_Urkle: Militarize the EPA.


How about abolish ICE and move them to the EPA?
 
2020-05-02 2:45:00 AM  

King Something: The only thing on that list which cannot happen is statehood for DC, and that's only because the US Constitution requires that the Seat of the US Government must belong directly to the US Government.


Solution: move the entire government to an artificial floating island in the great lakes. Makes it also easy to sink it when necessary.
 
2020-05-02 2:49:05 AM  

King Something: The only thing on that list which cannot happen is statehood for DC, and that's only because the US Constitution requires that the Seat of the US Government must belong directly to the US Government.


Actually,  it can happen. You just carve out the section that is the Federal Government and monuments, and make the retail and Neighborhoods a State. It was already done once when Alexandria was given back to VA. No reason they can't do it again.
 
2020-05-02 2:49:23 AM  
Yeah, until they compromise and bipartisanship themselves into lowering taxes and reducing services.
 
2020-05-02 2:51:48 AM  
And I would like a pony and a plastic rocket ship.
 
2020-05-02 2:53:23 AM  
Socialize gay marriage!
 
2020-05-02 2:53:25 AM  

King Something: Unobtanium: To abolish the EC would take 39 states. I doubt we'll see either enough Republican General Assemblies vote for that or enough General Assemblies to flip any time soon. Perdue's Senate seat could well be in play, which suits me. I hope the troglodyte loses.

Abolishment is one thing, but it can be defanged. Just pass a law requiring all states with 4 or more EVs to split their vote the same way Maine and Nebraska do; or have all states split their EVs based on the split of the statewide popular vote, with none of that nonsense about winning individual congressional districts to get individual electoral votes.


That would be bad unless you also mandate that states have to get their districts drawn by independent commissions, since otherwise it would give parties even more reason to Gerrymander.
 
2020-05-02 2:54:37 AM  

bikkurikun: King Something: The only thing on that list which cannot happen is statehood for DC, and that's only because the US Constitution requires that the Seat of the US Government must belong directly to the US Government.

Solution: move the entire government to an artificial floating island in the great lakes. Makes it also easy to sink it when necessary.


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2020-05-02 2:54:56 AM  
How else will we get the 52 State flag that is found in the ST TNG episode "The Royale"?
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It "happens" in 2033, so we better get a move on!
 
2020-05-02 2:57:00 AM  

StatelyGreekAutomaton: Yeah, until they compromise and bipartisanship themselves into lowering taxes and reducing services.


I just think things have changed. The unbelievable dirty tricks McConnell et al have pulled over Supreme Court, voter suppression, sneaky handouts to rich donors, and above all the cynical free pass given to Trump over impeachment, have enraged people who normally care little for politics.

Can't go back to business as usual; can't go back to politics as usual.
 
2020-05-02 3:00:38 AM  
The hubris is astounding.

Jesus is the one in charge whether you like it or not.
 
2020-05-02 3:01:44 AM  

King Something: Unobtanium: To abolish the EC would take 39 states. I doubt we'll see either enough Republican General Assemblies vote for that or enough General Assemblies to flip any time soon. Perdue's Senate seat could well be in play, which suits me. I hope the troglodyte loses.

Abolishment is one thing, but it can be defanged. Just pass a law requiring all states with 4 or more EVs to split their vote the same way Maine and Nebraska do; or have all states split their EVs based on the split of the statewide popular vote, with none of that nonsense about winning individual congressional districts to get individual electoral votes.


That would be bad in 2016 for example Republicans got 49% of the vote in the house But 51% of the seats, conversely the Democrats got 48% of the vote, but only 46% of the seats. Gerrymandering could cost elections. I would say it would need to be in reverse the states with 8 or less have to split their delegates while the states with more go all in.
 
2020-05-02 3:01:58 AM  

here to help: The hubris is astounding.

Jesus is the one in charge whether you like it or not.


Jesus is a dirty enviromentalist commie.
 
2020-05-02 3:04:35 AM  

King Something: Unobtanium: To abolish the EC would take 39 states. I doubt we'll see either enough Republican General Assemblies vote for that or enough General Assemblies to flip any time soon. Perdue's Senate seat could well be in play, which suits me. I hope the troglodyte loses.

Abolishment is one thing, but it can be defanged. Just pass a law requiring all states with 4 or more EVs to split their vote the same way Maine and Nebraska do; or have all states split their EVs based on the split of the statewide popular vote, with none of that nonsense about winning individual congressional districts to get individual electoral votes.


Also forgot if you are going to do this you need to expand the house by 400 members and make sure all the Congressional districts in the country are within 2% of the average. Small state voters have too much power as it is. Maybe even have congressional districts cross state lines.
 
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