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2020-05-01 3:47:30 AM  
We need to do what he did in that movie: Focus on helping other people.  That's the only way we get out of this mess without horrific consequences.
 
2020-05-01 7:08:34 AM  

fusillade762: We need to do what he did in that movie: Focus on helping other people.  That's the only way we get out of this mess without horrific consequences.


Yeah, but it took him 8 years, 8 months, and 16 days. We don't have that long. If Trump gets reelected, the time from Election day 2016 to the 2025 inauguration is like 8 years, 2 months, and 11 days.

Also, the updated Jeep and:

Jeep® | Same Day
Youtube eTNgHo7UbmU
 
2020-05-01 7:38:25 AM  
You must find no joy in anything ever.

There saved you from reading that dreck. I made it halfway through.
 
2020-05-01 8:03:06 AM  
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Oh man, relaxing in the safety and comfort of your own home...what a nightmare
 
2020-05-01 8:17:41 AM  

Unobtanium: fusillade762: We need to do what he did in that movie: Focus on helping other people.  That's the only way we get out of this mess without horrific consequences.

Yeah, but it took him 8 years, 8 months, and 16 days. We don't have that long. If Trump gets reelected, the time from Election day 2016 to the 2025 inauguration is like 8 years, 2 months, and 11 days.

Also, the updated Jeep and:

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Never saw that ad...I like it.  :)

/all I see is the Subaru and Ford commercials
//not as funny or as good as that one
///good job Jeep
 
2020-05-01 8:21:32 AM  
I love this movie. I just wish they had cast someone different than Andie MacDowell. She seems to suck the joy out of everything she's in.

Also, this movie is the story of a Buddhist's punishment, the samsara.
 
2020-05-01 8:36:04 AM  
Good commercial.  Better than saying in these uncertain times...
 
2020-05-01 8:40:26 AM  
I'd like to think if I was Phil I'd try and improve myself and become a better person, but, realistically, I think the phrase "and then the murders began" would feature prominently in my own personal Groundhog Day.
 
2020-05-01 8:54:35 AM  
If it became hell, it was a hell of his own making
 
2020-05-01 8:57:25 AM  

NOLAhd: I'd like to think if I was Phil I'd try and improve myself and become a better person, but, realistically, I think the phrase "and then the murders began" would feature prominently in my own personal Groundhog Day.


He went through a sociopath phase, but not a psychopath phase.  Unless you really are wired wrong I think you would get the murders out of your system quickly.
 
2020-05-01 9:09:50 AM  

EvilEgg: NOLAhd: I'd like to think if I was Phil I'd try and improve myself and become a better person, but, realistically, I think the phrase "and then the murders began" would feature prominently in my own personal Groundhog Day.

He went through a sociopath phase, but not a psychopath phase.  Unless you really are wired wrong I think you would get the murders out of your system quickly.


He only used knowledge gained from the repeating day to rape every woman in Punxsutawney between 18 and 80.

But when it came to killing, it was only the groundhog or himself.

/though I gotta believe he took care of Ryerson a few times we don't see
 
2020-05-01 9:11:34 AM  
Btw, if you really want to get into it, this guy watched Groundhog Day every day for a year.
https://groundhogdayproject.blogspot.​c​om
 
2020-05-01 9:25:58 AM  

kryptoknightmare: [Fark user image image 425x306]
Oh man, relaxing in the safety and comfort of your own home...what a nightmare


Try bringing my wife to work with you every day and you'll understand what I'm complaining about.
 
2020-05-01 10:32:50 AM  

EvilEgg: NOLAhd: I'd like to think if I was Phil I'd try and improve myself and become a better person, but, realistically, I think the phrase "and then the murders began" would feature prominently in my own personal Groundhog Day.

He went through a sociopath phase, but not a psychopath phase.  Unless you really are wired wrong I think you would get the murders out of your system quickly.


I'd only kill the insurance salesman.
 
2020-05-01 10:56:37 AM  
In case anyone was wondering.

In 2005, Rubin (the screenwriter) said, "Ultimately it became this weird political issue because if you asked the studio, 'How long was the repetition?', they'd say, 'Two weeks'. But the point of the movie to me was that you had to feel you were enduring something that was going on for a long time ... For me it had to be-I don't know. A hundred years. A lifetime."[31] In 2014, the website WhatCulture combined various time duration assumptions and estimated that Phil spent a total of 12,395 days-just under 34 years-reliving Groundhog Day
 
2020-05-01 11:08:38 AM  

PanicAttack: I love this movie. I just wish they had cast someone different than Andie MacDowell. She seems to suck the joy out of everything she's in.

Also, this movie is the story of a Buddhist's punishment, the samsara.


I took Andi MacDowell out for a movie and dinner and I can attest that she did not duck the joy out of anything that night.

/not an actual date with the actual actress, it was just a dream.
//even in my dreams I do not get the joy sucked out by anyone I would want to do the sucking, usually it is a rapist Twinkie
///oddly attracted to Andi McDowell, only hate the movies she is in when they would be movies I would not have enjoyed regardless of her being in it or not.
 
2020-05-01 11:57:44 AM  

lovely_filth: If it became hell, it was a hell of his own making


Nietzsche's "Eternal Return" posits that we should live our life like we'll be doomed to repeat it, unchanged, for all eternity.
 
2020-05-01 12:22:53 PM  

t3knomanser: lovely_filth: If it became hell, it was a hell of his own making

Nietzsche's "Eternal Return" posits that we should live our life like we'll be doomed to repeat it, unchanged, for all eternity.


Interesting.  What a thought.
 
2020-05-01 12:48:13 PM  
Why did he call the old guy 'dad'?

I understand 'pop', that's more generic.  But calling him 'dad' is a very specific thing to say
 
2020-05-01 1:09:26 PM  
Everyone knows the scariest movie ever made is Idiocracy.
 
2020-05-01 2:24:54 PM  

Unobtanium: fusillade762: We need to do what he did in that movie: Focus on helping other people.  That's the only way we get out of this mess without horrific consequences.

Yeah, but it took him 8 years, 8 months, and 16 days. We don't have that long. If Trump gets reelected, the time from Election day 2016 to the 2025 inauguration is like 8 years, 2 months, and 11 days.

Also, the updated Jeep and:

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/eTNgHo7U​bmU]


You need to listen to Harold's commentary (the director). His position is that Phil was in that loop for 10,000 years in the second draft. In the end it was not specified and Harold has speculated many other time periods. We do know that he has experienced everything in this town. He knows everybody personally. He knows when the wind blows. He has developed musical talent from nothing to the highest level.
 
2020-05-01 2:28:31 PM  

limboslam: Everyone knows the scariest movie ever made is Idiocracy.


Idiocracy proposes a world where, when people recognize a crisis, they find the smartest person on Earth and give him whatever he needs to solve that crisis. Sure, he wasn't smart enough to handle the follow-on effects of his choices, and people tried to have him killed as a result, but fark- I'd kill to live in Idiocracy.
 
2020-05-01 2:34:40 PM  

Garza and the Supermutants: In case anyone was wondering.

In 2005, Rubin (the screenwriter) said, "Ultimately it became this weird political issue because if you asked the studio, 'How long was the repetition?', they'd say, 'Two weeks'. But the point of the movie to me was that you had to feel you were enduring something that was going on for a long time ... For me it had to be-I don't know. A hundred years. A lifetime."[31] In 2014, the website WhatCulture combined various time duration assumptions and estimated that Phil spent a total of 12,395 days-just under 34 years-reliving Groundhog Day


Two weeks is obviously not true. We see something like 42 or 43 distinct days in the film.

I don't know if I've read WhatCulture's assessment, but most calculations depend on the '10,000 hrs' to achieve mastery of a subject and several assumptions that are not well supported.

First, on the issue of Phil's mastery, how much do we know about that? Any calculation that assumes Phil learns French we can dismiss right off. Phil recites one poem. There's no reason to think he's fluent in the language. BTW, that one poem is actually lyrics to a song. Could be Mrs Lancaster has that record at the Cherry St Inn, and Phil has learned it phonetically without even knowing what it means.

Likewise with playing the piano. We see Phil has learned songs, and we even see his lessons consist of practicing one of them. So it's feasible he didn't learn scales and chords and work his way to songs. It's possible Phil knows just those 2 songs. Learning a 3rd might have him back at square at one.

Anyway, the source material certainly puts a low minimum on the number of days. We see 40-something, and even if Phil masters everything on the first try there are days where he has knowledge he'd only have by being in that situation previously, so perhaps 75 days minimum.

For the max, there is no max.

For the actually time passed, I go with the director, Harold Ramis, who said 10,000 years past with Phil in the loop. Ramis was a known Buddhist.
 
2020-05-01 2:45:42 PM  

Tom_Slick: You must find no joy in anything ever.

There saved you from reading that dreck. I made it halfway through.


Eventually, after years of repeating this same quarantine day over and over, out of extreme and existential boredom you will start to read this article once again. As you did today, you will not finish the article. You will repeat this cycle many times. But then one day, after starting to read and failing to finish many, many times, you will finish reading the article. You will be enlightened: You will have achieved that which you unknowingly strove for your entire life: Becoming a wonderful, giving, caring human being with perfect skin and a full head of lustrous hair. And you (and all of those you know and love) will be released from quarantine.

So read the damn article already.
 
2020-05-01 3:13:59 PM  

mcmnky: Likewise with playing the piano. We see Phil has learned songs, and we even see his lessons consist of practicing one of them.


While I'll grant you the French, I won't grant you this. While the pieces we see him learn and perform aren't exactly the most technically complex pieces for piano, you need to have learned a degree of technical competence to perform them. You can't "just" learn a song for a musical instrument.
 
2020-05-01 3:23:05 PM  

the sentinel: Tom_Slick: You must find no joy in anything ever.

There saved you from reading that dreck. I made it halfway through.

Eventually, after years of repeating this same quarantine day over and over, out of extreme and existential boredom you will start to read this article once again. As you did today, you will not finish the article. You will repeat this cycle many times. But then one day, after starting to read and failing to finish many, many times, you will finish reading the article. You will be enlightened: You will have achieved that which you unknowingly strove for your entire life: Becoming a wonderful, giving, caring human being with perfect skin and a full head of lustrous hair. And you (and all of those you know and love) will be released from quarantine.

So read the damn article already.


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2020-05-01 3:35:29 PM  

t3knomanser: mcmnky: Likewise with playing the piano. We see Phil has learned songs, and we even see his lessons consist of practicing one of them.

While I'll grant you the French, I won't grant you this. While the pieces we see him learn and perform aren't exactly the most technically complex pieces for piano, you need to have learned a degree of technical competence to perform them. You can't "just" learn a song for a musical instrument.


I admittedly no nothing about piano and virtually nothing about performing music in general.  But I have to ask why can't you just memorize hitting certain keys at certain times?  I feel like I could program a robot to do it without any knowledge of music at all.  I haven't tried so I could be wrong.

It couldn't do anything but reproduce someone else's performance with a lot of labor, but if I knew what people were going to request, I would look like I knew everything.
 
2020-05-01 3:35:32 PM  

mcmnky: Garza and the Supermutants: In case anyone was wondering.

In 2005, Rubin (the screenwriter) said, "Ultimately it became this weird political issue because if you asked the studio, 'How long was the repetition?', they'd say, 'Two weeks'. But the point of the movie to me was that you had to feel you were enduring something that was going on for a long time ... For me it had to be-I don't know. A hundred years. A lifetime."[31] In 2014, the website WhatCulture combined various time duration assumptions and estimated that Phil spent a total of 12,395 days-just under 34 years-reliving Groundhog Day

Two weeks is obviously not true. We see something like 42 or 43 distinct days in the film.

I don't know if I've read WhatCulture's assessment, but most calculations depend on the '10,000 hrs' to achieve mastery of a subject and several assumptions that are not well supported.

First, on the issue of Phil's mastery, how much do we know about that? Any calculation that assumes Phil learns French we can dismiss right off. Phil recites one poem. There's no reason to think he's fluent in the language. BTW, that one poem is actually lyrics to a song. Could be Mrs Lancaster has that record at the Cherry St Inn, and Phil has learned it phonetically without even knowing what it means.

Likewise with playing the piano. We see Phil has learned songs, and we even see his lessons consist of practicing one of them. So it's feasible he didn't learn scales and chords and work his way to songs. It's possible Phil knows just those 2 songs. Learning a 3rd might have him back at square at one.

Anyway, the source material certainly puts a low minimum on the number of days. We see 40-something, and even if Phil masters everything on the first try there are days where he has knowledge he'd only have by being in that situation previously, so perhaps 75 days minimum.

For the max, there is no max.

For the actually time passed, I go with the director, Harold Ramis, who said 10,000 years past with ...


There's no definitive answer to be sure. Shortcuts could have been taken, but a man who thinks he may have all the time in the world might take a more completionist approach to learning. It really depends on our assessment of Phil and his character arc.

Personally, I like Rubin's estimate of somewhere between an average lifetime and 100 years.
 
2020-05-01 3:36:21 PM  

EvilEgg: t3knomanser: mcmnky: Likewise with playing the piano. We see Phil has learned songs, and we even see his lessons consist of practicing one of them.

While I'll grant you the French, I won't grant you this. While the pieces we see him learn and perform aren't exactly the most technically complex pieces for piano, you need to have learned a degree of technical competence to perform them. You can't "just" learn a song for a musical instrument.

I admittedly no nothing about piano and virtually nothing about performing music in general.  But I have to ask why can't you just memorize hitting certain keys at certain times?  I feel like I could program a robot to do it without any knowledge of music at all.  I haven't tried so I could be wrong.

It couldn't do anything but reproduce someone else's performance with a lot of labor, but if I knew what people were going to request, I would look like I knew everything.


*know
//evidently I didn't pass third grade either.
 
2020-05-01 4:10:41 PM  
I'm more in Moon mode now.
 
2020-05-01 5:04:15 PM  

EvilEgg: But I have to ask why can't you just memorize hitting certain keys at certain times? I feel like I could program a robot to do it without any knowledge of music at all.


The important difference here is that your robot (or your simple player piano) can be built to the purpose in question. Your hands, on the other hand, while infinitely more flexible, need to be trained. You wouldn't try to learn the proper form to bench press with 300LBs on the bar.

To dig into it, though, even on a piano, you don't just hit a key. You hit it with a certain speed, on a certain timing, you're transitioning that finger from someplace else on the keyboard, and the optimal route to get from A-B is going to be different depending on which A or B you're talking about. There's a million micromuscle movements that come into play, and while you could, in theory, drill one piece and learn them all, that's the hard way. The easy way is to start with simple exercises- scales in music, or just benching an empty bar in weight lifting. As you build the muscles (and the muscle memory) you move on to more complex things.

TL;DR: humans need to practice motor skills in a variety of conditions, robots don't have muscles and can be programmed to do anything you want.
 
2020-05-01 5:13:03 PM  

kryptoknightmare: [Fark user image 425x306]
Oh man, relaxing in the safety and comfort of your own home...what a nightmare


I'll bite. It's been 6 weeks with three working at home, one on leave that was planned in advance, one working and now furlough that will now last until the end of May.

It's farking boring. Not necessarily being stuck inside as I can leave for exercise / essentials, but knowing that there's nothing open but for shopping. And being a non-ground-floor apartment has noise challenges that negate strenuous indoor exercising, and lends itself to a much reduced footprint than if I were in an actual house.

If you have to travel to work but are allowed to keep your safe distance, enjoy it while it lasts.
 
2020-05-01 5:40:45 PM  

sephjnr: kryptoknightmare: [Fark user image 425x306]
Oh man, relaxing in the safety and comfort of your own home...what a nightmare

I'll bite. It's been 6 weeks with three working at home, one on leave that was planned in advance, one working and now furlough that will now last until the end of May.

It's farking boring. Not necessarily being stuck inside as I can leave for exercise / essentials, but knowing that there's nothing open but for shopping. And being a non-ground-floor apartment has noise challenges that negate strenuous indoor exercising, and lends itself to a much reduced footprint than if I were in an actual house.

If you have to travel to work but are allowed to keep your safe distance, enjoy it while it lasts.


Oh... You're BORED!  Well, then. That's different.

I have to go to several different retail stores in several different towns, some of them Trump Country redneck towns, some of them heavily infected urban areas, and deal with people NOT observing social distancing, NOT wearing masks, some of them INTENTIONALLY getting close to people who are wearing masks to intimidate us while grinning like psychos. I have to touch products on the shelves. I have do my work while dealing with the social distancing rules, empty shelves, crowded stores (the redneck towns are like farking black Friday all the damn time now), and people mistaking me for someone who works in that store (I don't. I work for a company that takes on product manufacturers as clients) then getting upset with me and violating my personal space even more to yell at me about the store being out of such-and-such, or sharing their personal philosophy about this all being a hoax by the Democrats while spraying their tobacco-laden spit all over me.

My partner, who I haven't been able to hug, kiss, or do anything else with in nearly three months now, is also an essential working in health care. She works with eyes. She has people who refuse to wear masks sitting opposite her in an exam chair while she's two inches from their face. Many dozens of patients a day. Many of them the same Fox News brainwashed assholes I deal with in the retail stores, spewing the same hateful shiat at her because she IS wearing a mask and she's trying to get the patients to exercise some caution themselves.

We both come home-- separately, because we're both high risk and can't afford to infect each other or her kid-- and we have to sanitize ourselves, do laundry to deal with any possible contamination to our clothing, wipe down all our possessions and anything we touched while working (my cell phone is cleaner now that it was when I bought it) and decompress-- ALONE-- after days full of enough stress to cause hair to fall out.

Both of us could turn the corner or run into the wrong person, and that might be all it takes. We're both 49 years old (risky enough), we're both compromised with other conditions that might make us less likely to be able to fight it off if we get it. We're both fully aware that every time we step out our front door to wade through throngs of assholes who DON'T GET IT and DON'T CARE, it could be the day we catch the virus that kills us.

Neither of us is getting any hazard pay. No raise. No extra benefits. My company only recently saw fit to send us PPE. She gets PPE from work. We both develop headaches from wearing masks all damn day.

But hey... You're bored. That must really suck.
 
2020-05-01 5:55:09 PM  

EvilEgg: t3knomanser: mcmnky: Likewise with playing the piano. We see Phil has learned songs, and we even see his lessons consist of practicing one of them.

While I'll grant you the French, I won't grant you this. While the pieces we see him learn and perform aren't exactly the most technically complex pieces for piano, you need to have learned a degree of technical competence to perform them. You can't "just" learn a song for a musical instrument.

I admittedly no nothing about piano and virtually nothing about performing music in general.  But I have to ask why can't you just memorize hitting certain keys at certain times?  I feel like I could program a robot to do it without any knowledge of music at all.  I haven't tried so I could be wrong.

It couldn't do anything but reproduce someone else's performance with a lot of labor, but if I knew what people were going to request, I would look like I knew everything.


I imagine that the time differential between properly learning the piano from scratch, with lessons, and getting to the ability to play at the level Phil shows in the film versus trying to trying to teach someone with no ability one or two medium-advanced level songs would be minimal. There are a ton of nuances in playing the piano.


As for Ramis' 10000 year figure, he would know. But that seems awfully high. I'd imagine a person living that many lifetimes in such a small confined area wouldn't be able to operate cognitively on a human level anymore.
 
2020-05-01 6:12:51 PM  
WilderKWight

Yup, you've got it bad. I'm not changing my mind, and I'm not going to discount my own feelings because other people are dicks to you and yours. I sympathise but can offer no alternative outside of practiced bursts of actual verifiable truth to people (including your partner's story) and complaints to your management. I wish you luck, and hope neither of you are stuck at home for 2 months, ill or otherwise.
 
2020-05-01 9:26:03 PM  

t3knomanser: EvilEgg: But I have to ask why can't you just memorize hitting certain keys at certain times? I feel like I could program a robot to do it without any knowledge of music at all.

The important difference here is that your robot (or your simple player piano) can be built to the purpose in question. Your hands, on the other hand, while infinitely more flexible, need to be trained. You wouldn't try to learn the proper form to bench press with 300LBs on the bar.

To dig into it, though, even on a piano, you don't just hit a key. You hit it with a certain speed, on a certain timing, you're transitioning that finger from someplace else on the keyboard, and the optimal route to get from A-B is going to be different depending on which A or B you're talking about. There's a million micromuscle movements that come into play, and while you could, in theory, drill one piece and learn them all, that's the hard way. The easy way is to start with simple exercises- scales in music, or just benching an empty bar in weight lifting. As you build the muscles (and the muscle memory) you move on to more complex things.

TL;DR: humans need to practice motor skills in a variety of conditions, robots don't have muscles and can be programmed to do anything you want.


Also, we see the start of his first lesson and he does indeed start with simple scales exercises.

though really the most impressive thing is that he goes from badly playing the scales to the later performance with no ability to actually develop or strengthen the muscles in his hands.

I mean, wonders trousers but that's mightily impressive.

\Verily!
 
2020-05-02 3:06:29 AM  

PanicAttack: I love this movie. I just wish they had cast someone different than Andie MacDowell. She seems to suck the joy out of everything she's in.


I also despise Andie MacDowell, for the most part.  However she doesn't really diminish my enjoyment of Groundhog Day all that much, somehow.
 
2020-05-02 2:13:08 PM  

fusillade762: PanicAttack: I love this movie. I just wish they had cast someone different than Andie MacDowell. She seems to suck the joy out of everything she's in.

I also despise Andie MacDowell, for the most part.  However she doesn't really diminish my enjoyment of Groundhog Day all that much, somehow.


It has been my favorite move for almost 15 years, and I felt the same way about Bill Murray at the time.
I think the fact that I didn't like him contributed to the movie's elevated status.

/Bill and I are cool now.
 
2020-05-02 4:57:49 PM  

Susan'sLittleAdamsApple: PanicAttack: I love this movie. I just wish they had cast someone different than Andie MacDowell. She seems to suck the joy out of everything she's in.

Also, this movie is the story of a Buddhist's punishment, the samsara.

I took Andi MacDowell out for a movie and dinner and I can attest that she did not duck the joy out of anything that night.

/not an actual date with the actual actress, it was just a dream.
//even in my dreams I do not get the joy sucked out by anyone I would want to do the sucking, usually it is a rapist Twinkie
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