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2020-04-29 9:47:46 PM  
What a rollercoaster ride trying to figure this out is.
 
2020-04-29 10:33:04 PM  
Get more better sleep
 
2020-04-29 10:46:07 PM  
Also get vitamin D by going outside and exposing limbs to direct sunlight for 20 minutes any day you can. Initial reports suggest D deficiency significantly increases the risk of severe disease.
 
2020-04-29 10:48:51 PM  
None of this variability really fits with any other diseases we're used to dealing with

I was thinking about this the other day, trying to come up with another disease whose effect varies so vastly from person to person.
 
2020-04-29 11:50:58 PM  
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2020-04-30 12:01:27 AM  
Coronavirus Pandemic Update 63: Is COVID-19 a Disease of the Endothelium (Blood Vessels and Clots)?
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Better theory that doesn't break into a rant about socialism in the last paragraph.

The disease enters through the lungs but actually attacks the blood and defense systems. That's why zinc, ionophores, and a low fat/carb diet is so important. Anyone trying to carpet bomb patients with drugs is acting far too late to get much of a result.  The ventilators are useful, but they don't get to the root of the problem. Patients can still stroke out despite the fact they're still getting oxygen.
 
2020-04-30 1:27:39 AM  
way south:
break into a rant about socialism in the last paragraph.


Has The Atlantic ever published anything that didn't?
 
2020-04-30 1:52:43 AM  
Apply directly to the forehead.
 
2020-04-30 2:17:21 AM  

way south: [YouTube video: Coronavirus Pandemic Update 63: Is COVID-19 a Disease of the Endothelium (Blood Vessels and Clots)?]

Better theory that doesn't break into a rant about socialism in the last paragraph.

The disease enters through the lungs but actually attacks the blood and defense systems. That's why zinc, ionophores, and a low fat/carb diet is so important. Anyone trying to carpet bomb patients with drugs is acting far too late to get much of a result.  The ventilators are useful, but they don't get to the root of the problem. Patients can still stroke out despite the fact they're still getting oxygen.


Tell you what; you come up with an answer of why poor people and minorities are dying disproportionately here and we can leave socialism out of it.
 
2020-04-30 2:33:10 AM  

bigbadideasinaction: way south: [YouTube video: Coronavirus Pandemic Update 63: Is COVID-19 a Disease of the Endothelium (Blood Vessels and Clots)?]

Better theory that doesn't break into a rant about socialism in the last paragraph.

The disease enters through the lungs but actually attacks the blood and defense systems. That's why zinc, ionophores, and a low fat/carb diet is so important. Anyone trying to carpet bomb patients with drugs is acting far too late to get much of a result.  The ventilators are useful, but they don't get to the root of the problem. Patients can still stroke out despite the fact they're still getting oxygen.

Tell you what; you come up with an answer of why poor people and minorities are dying disproportionately here and we can leave socialism out of it.


All the reasons poor people can't accomplish the social distance has to do with property and architecture. You know, the physical structure woven by the social class structure. So...sorry, it's socialism all the way down. Jut like it's social science, not virology, that allows us to predict who gets the disease (hence the use of contact tracing).
 
2020-04-30 2:37:06 AM  
The immune system theory of COVID tracks with some people I know how have it, but not with the young ones. People in their 30s with no underlying conditions, on day 21, but people in their 40s with underlying conditions got over it in 2 weeks. And then, my family member in their 50s who is still hospitalized.

The article mentioned that the virus is not found in the brain, but I've seen reports where it was. I like how one Farker described it as the platypus of diseases, it is just everywhere doing everything. But not all at once, it seems. I think that COVID might bring more attention to anatomy and immunology. For all we know, because people have different blood flow to different organs, and every human's circulatory system is different, we will discover that one person had liver damage because their liver was circulating poorly, etc. Something as idiopathic as that.
 
2020-04-30 4:30:04 AM  
It would be nice if our immune system could identify and attack this virus early on, when it's in that stealth mode trying to infiltrate everything. Sure beats being killed by our own immune system trying to overcompensate because it became aware a little too late.

Seems some people manage to do well, the ones who have no symptoms, what exactly are they doing right?
 
2020-04-30 5:49:32 AM  

bigbadideasinaction: way south: [YouTube video: Coronavirus Pandemic Update 63: Is COVID-19 a Disease of the Endothelium (Blood Vessels and Clots)?]

Better theory that doesn't break into a rant about socialism in the last paragraph.

The disease enters through the lungs but actually attacks the blood and defense systems. That's why zinc, ionophores, and a low fat/carb diet is so important. Anyone trying to carpet bomb patients with drugs is acting far too late to get much of a result.  The ventilators are useful, but they don't get to the root of the problem. Patients can still stroke out despite the fact they're still getting oxygen.

Tell you what; you come up with an answer of why poor people and minorities are dying disproportionately here and we can leave socialism out of it.


They tend to have less healthy lifestyles and poorer medical care.

Does this mean we're done with socialism now?  I mean, it kind of seemed too easy...
 
2020-04-30 7:26:07 AM  

Tom Marvolo Bombadil: bigbadideasinaction: way south: [YouTube video: Coronavirus Pandemic Update 63: Is COVID-19 a Disease of the Endothelium (Blood Vessels and Clots)?]

Better theory that doesn't break into a rant about socialism in the last paragraph.

The disease enters through the lungs but actually attacks the blood and defense systems. That's why zinc, ionophores, and a low fat/carb diet is so important. Anyone trying to carpet bomb patients with drugs is acting far too late to get much of a result.  The ventilators are useful, but they don't get to the root of the problem. Patients can still stroke out despite the fact they're still getting oxygen.

Tell you what; you come up with an answer of why poor people and minorities are dying disproportionately here and we can leave socialism out of it.

They tend to have less healthy lifestyles and poorer medical care.

Does this mean we're done with socialism now?  I mean, it kind of seemed too easy...


The followup question would be if socialism fixes this. Answer is probably no.

First off the lifestyle choices flag us for a higher vulnerability to this disease. The geographic choice of living in urban areas does not help (shelter in place in an apartment still leaves you in a very vulnerable situation). It's not so much if your black but if you're living in our situation then you are ground zero.

Socialism comes along and says the doctor is free. But the problem was a shortage of doctors, even when higher salaries and bonuses were being paid. Socialism involves price control, it's trying to pay as little as possible for both equipment and labor. This does not encourage the growth of medical services, it just tries to keep them adequate as dictated by someones policy.
You can get the Italy situation where everyone goes to the free doctor but the number of doctors and beds could not change in response to the demand. They couldn't shift resources like the US did. We had an overcapacity.
What we didn't have was a cure for a disease that disproportionally harms minorities.

The fix that needs to happen is dietary and cultural, and it's needed to happen for decades.
 
2020-04-30 8:20:55 AM  
I wonder if gingers get it worse as well since pain effects them more. I've got two of them and one has asthma.
 
2020-04-30 4:13:21 PM  

Nidiot: It would be nice if our immune system could identify and attack this virus early on, when it's in that stealth mode trying to infiltrate everything. Sure beats being killed by our own immune system trying to overcompensate because it became aware a little too late.

Seems some people manage to do well, the ones who have no symptoms, what exactly are they doing right?


Getting lots of rest, eating well and not drinking too much booze.

So I'm guessing Fark may loose a few subscribers?
 
2020-04-30 4:16:35 PM  

Tom Marvolo Bombadil: bigbadideasinaction: way south: [YouTube video: Coronavirus Pandemic Update 63: Is COVID-19 a Disease of the Endothelium (Blood Vessels and Clots)?]

Better theory that doesn't break into a rant about socialism in the last paragraph.

The disease enters through the lungs but actually attacks the blood and defense systems. That's why zinc, ionophores, and a low fat/carb diet is so important. Anyone trying to carpet bomb patients with drugs is acting far too late to get much of a result.  The ventilators are useful, but they don't get to the root of the problem. Patients can still stroke out despite the fact they're still getting oxygen.

Tell you what; you come up with an answer of why poor people and minorities are dying disproportionately here and we can leave socialism out of it.

They tend to have less healthy lifestyles and poorer medical care.

Does this mean we're done with socialism now?  I mean, it kind of seemed too easy...


Not by a long shot.

Blaming the poor for a less healthy lifestyle is like blaming blaming you for being stupid. They weren't really given much of a choice given outside forces.

So y' know. Socialism, of socialism-light like much of Europe is highly desirable. But thanks for playing. And blaming the poor for being poor.
 
2020-04-30 4:19:35 PM  

way south: Tom Marvolo Bombadil: bigbadideasinaction: way south: [YouTube video: Coronavirus Pandemic Update 63: Is COVID-19 a Disease of the Endothelium (Blood Vessels and Clots)?]

Better theory that doesn't break into a rant about socialism in the last paragraph.

The disease enters through the lungs but actually attacks the blood and defense systems. That's why zinc, ionophores, and a low fat/carb diet is so important. Anyone trying to carpet bomb patients with drugs is acting far too late to get much of a result.  The ventilators are useful, but they don't get to the root of the problem. Patients can still stroke out despite the fact they're still getting oxygen.

Tell you what; you come up with an answer of why poor people and minorities are dying disproportionately here and we can leave socialism out of it.

They tend to have less healthy lifestyles and poorer medical care.

Does this mean we're done with socialism now?  I mean, it kind of seemed too easy...

The followup question would be if socialism fixes this. Answer is probably no.

First off the lifestyle choices flag us for a higher vulnerability to this disease. The geographic choice of living in urban areas does not help (shelter in place in an apartment still leaves you in a very vulnerable situation). It's not so much if your black but if you're living in our situation then you are ground zero.

Socialism comes along and says the doctor is free. But the problem was a shortage of doctors, even when higher salaries and bonuses were being paid. Socialism involves price control, it's trying to pay as little as possible for both equipment and labor. This does not encourage the growth of medical services, it just tries to keep them adequate as dictated by someones policy.
You can get the Italy situation where everyone goes to the free doctor but the number of doctors and beds could not change in response to the demand. They couldn't shift resources like the US did. We had an overcapacity.
What we didn't have was a cure for a disease that disproportionally harms minorities.

The fix that needs to happen is dietary and cultural, and it's needed to happen for decades.


Shortages? Are you serious or trolling? Either way your take is bad (and misinformed) and you should feel bad.
 
2020-04-30 5:33:01 PM  

way south: Tom Marvolo Bombadil: bigbadideasinaction: way south: [YouTube video: Coronavirus Pandemic Update 63: Is COVID-19 a Disease of the Endothelium (Blood Vessels and Clots)?]

Better theory that doesn't break into a rant about socialism in the last paragraph.

The disease enters through the lungs but actually attacks the blood and defense systems. That's why zinc, ionophores, and a low fat/carb diet is so important. Anyone trying to carpet bomb patients with drugs is acting far too late to get much of a result.  The ventilators are useful, but they don't get to the root of the problem. Patients can still stroke out despite the fact they're still getting oxygen.

Tell you what; you come up with an answer of why poor people and minorities are dying disproportionately here and we can leave socialism out of it.

They tend to have less healthy lifestyles and poorer medical care.

Does this mean we're done with socialism now?  I mean, it kind of seemed too easy...

The followup question would be if socialism fixes this. Answer is probably no.


Ha!  I knew there would be a catch!  Shenanigans!
 
2020-04-30 5:34:21 PM  

Social Justice Warlock: Tom Marvolo Bombadil: bigbadideasinaction: way south: [YouTube video: Coronavirus Pandemic Update 63: Is COVID-19 a Disease of the Endothelium (Blood Vessels and Clots)?]

Better theory that doesn't break into a rant about socialism in the last paragraph.

The disease enters through the lungs but actually attacks the blood and defense systems. That's why zinc, ionophores, and a low fat/carb diet is so important. Anyone trying to carpet bomb patients with drugs is acting far too late to get much of a result.  The ventilators are useful, but they don't get to the root of the problem. Patients can still stroke out despite the fact they're still getting oxygen.

Tell you what; you come up with an answer of why poor people and minorities are dying disproportionately here and we can leave socialism out of it.

They tend to have less healthy lifestyles and poorer medical care.

Does this mean we're done with socialism now?  I mean, it kind of seemed too easy...

Not by a long shot.

Blaming the poor for a less healthy lifestyle is like blaming blaming you for being stupid. They weren't really given much of a choice given outside forces.

So y' know. Socialism, of socialism-light like much of Europe is highly desirable. But thanks for playing. And blaming the poor for being poor.


I cast dollar bill shield against your social justice necromancy and continue blaming poor people.
 
2020-04-30 7:13:59 PM  
The biggest risk factor is obesity.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020​/​04/21/need-talk-uncomfortable-link-obe​sity-coronavirus/

Link goes to a UK newspaper of moderate quality (i.e. not the Mail or the Express), but I heard of this first from a UK doctor who said the death rate among obese patients was 10x those of a healthy weight.
 
2020-04-30 9:19:05 PM  

Social Justice Warlock: way south: Tom Marvolo Bombadil: bigbadideasinaction: way south: [YouTube video: Coronavirus Pandemic Update 63: Is COVID-19 a Disease of the Endothelium (Blood Vessels and Clots)?]

Better theory that doesn't break into a rant about socialism in the last paragraph.

The disease enters through the lungs but actually attacks the blood and defense systems. That's why zinc, ionophores, and a low fat/carb diet is so important. Anyone trying to carpet bomb patients with drugs is acting far too late to get much of a result.  The ventilators are useful, but they don't get to the root of the problem. Patients can still stroke out despite the fact they're still getting oxygen.

Tell you what; you come up with an answer of why poor people and minorities are dying disproportionately here and we can leave socialism out of it.

They tend to have less healthy lifestyles and poorer medical care.

Does this mean we're done with socialism now?  I mean, it kind of seemed too easy...

The followup question would be if socialism fixes this. Answer is probably no.

First off the lifestyle choices flag us for a higher vulnerability to this disease. The geographic choice of living in urban areas does not help (shelter in place in an apartment still leaves you in a very vulnerable situation). It's not so much if your black but if you're living in our situation then you are ground zero.

Socialism comes along and says the doctor is free. But the problem was a shortage of doctors, even when higher salaries and bonuses were being paid. Socialism involves price control, it's trying to pay as little as possible for both equipment and labor. This does not encourage the growth of medical services, it just tries to keep them adequate as dictated by someones policy.
You can get the Italy situation where everyone goes to the free doctor but the number of doctors and beds could not change in response to the demand. They couldn't shift resources like the US did. We had an overcapacity.
What we didn't ...


They were coming up with adapters to hook four patients up to a single vent. There were people attacking food trucks. It was on the news, we all saw it play out.
Shortages of goods and services happened even if you refuse believe.
 
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