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2020-04-29 11:33:02 AM  
FTFA: "The NCAA fought against allowing athletes to be compensated for name, image and likeness for years, including in court. College sports leaders have said doing so would destroy the NCAA's amateurism model."

An amateurism model in which the players (who were heavily recruited and enticed by the school) had very little control, no input, no vote, and no compensation, but the schools and corporations involved reaped regular and substantial benefits.

I'm not sure "amateurism" is really the right word here. Good on the NCAA for finally taking a few baby steps in the right direction several decades later, I guess.

/Correct thread this time, I hope
 
2020-04-29 11:46:28 AM  
My preferred model would be that athletes are employees of the university, paid a salary like any other.  Like any employee, they would get a single course gratis each semester.  They could then choose to take a reduction in salary for each class after the first.  Any that wanted a "traditional" student-athlete experience could do so.  Any that were there to socialize the cost of professional sports' development leagues could just do their thing and neither be bothered by or bother the university in general.
 
2020-04-29 11:54:22 AM  
Kind of excited to see which university's boosters abuse this first.
 
2020-04-29 12:16:57 PM  
No need to update NCAA Football 2014. It's the best game EA ever made.

/But they'll probably want to put a ton of loot boxes and set up microtransactions all over the place.
 
2020-04-29 12:24:16 PM  

phalamir: My preferred model would be that athletes are employees of the university, paid a salary like any other.  Like any employee, they would get a single course gratis each semester.  They could then choose to take a reduction in salary for each class after the first.  Any that wanted a "traditional" student-athlete experience could do so.  Any that were there to socialize the cost of professional sports' development leagues could just do their thing and neither be bothered by or bother the university in general.


The problem with your scenario is that only about 20-40 schools actually turn a profit, even with P5 TV money and after subsidizing non-revenue sports. This way, money comes from a different source.  Yes, it will be abused by boosters, and how is unforeseen.  But if a soccer player or volleyball player, who wouldn't make money under your scenario at all since those are non-revenue sports, can now make cash off of a YouTube account with personal highlight, why not?

/bring back the video games
//also, it's time to vote to expand the soccer season
 
2020-04-29 12:35:43 PM  
Good, it is a step in the right direction.  The NCAA still had to be strong armed into it once states like CA and FL started passing legislation allowing it.
 
2020-04-29 12:59:43 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: phalamir: My preferred model would be that athletes are employees of the university, paid a salary like any other.  Like any employee, they would get a single course gratis each semester.  They could then choose to take a reduction in salary for each class after the first.  Any that wanted a "traditional" student-athlete experience could do so.  Any that were there to socialize the cost of professional sports' development leagues could just do their thing and neither be bothered by or bother the university in general.

The problem with your scenario is that only about 20-40 schools actually turn a profit, even with P5 TV money and after subsidizing non-revenue sports. This way, money comes from a different source.  Yes, it will be abused by boosters, and how is unforeseen.  But if a soccer player or volleyball player, who wouldn't make money under your scenario at all since those are non-revenue sports, can now make cash off of a YouTube account with personal highlight, why not?

/bring back the video games
//also, it's time to vote to expand the soccer season


Why would soccer or volleyball not get paid?  I didn't say they would be paid a salary based upon revenue pulled in, just a salary.  The custodial staff don't make any money for the university, but no one suggests they should not receive wages (well, every university's administration suggests that, but I mean actual humans).

Universities don't treat athletes like students, even for the non-profit sports.  The administration says nice things, but the actual way things work is that classes and grades are seen as undesirable obstacles by the administration.  Most student athletes seem fine with classes, but they are not-so-subtly made to understand that academic work is not a priority if they want to actually compete, as opposed to bench-riding.  The university itself does not see them as students, so I see no reason to treat them like students.  They are employees, there to perform a service for the administration - and then are discarded like any other employee.  They should at least get paid for their service.  I'm perfectly willing to get them an education at no or low cost in the interim, but as-is, they have all the demands of an employee with virtually none of the benefits of a student (the athletes are often more interested in doing decently in class than their coaches are - of course people who have never even met the athletes are more interested in their academic performance that the coaches are, so that is a low bar admittedly).  They are workers for the university and should be treated as such, not ruthlessly exploited by the university and then shat upon, while middle-aged spectators claim vicarious achievement off of them while deriding them for not all being Fulbright philosopher-kings.  But treating them as students first allows all the sins to be removed from the university and loaded upon the shoulders of a bunch of kids - not cool.
 
2020-04-29 1:01:50 PM  
I'd rather the schools just stop pretending and sever the athletic departments from the universities entirely. Work out a deal where the departments become European-style athletic clubs and have a branding agreement with the universities, and call that good. Then the players can get paid and no one has to continue the farce of pretending intercollegiate athletics have anything to do with education.
 
2020-04-29 1:47:03 PM  

phalamir: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: phalamir: My preferred model would be that athletes are employees of the university, paid a salary like any other.  Like any employee, they would get a single course gratis each semester.  They could then choose to take a reduction in salary for each class after the first.  Any that wanted a "traditional" student-athlete experience could do so.  Any that were there to socialize the cost of professional sports' development leagues could just do their thing and neither be bothered by or bother the university in general.

The problem with your scenario is that only about 20-40 schools actually turn a profit, even with P5 TV money and after subsidizing non-revenue sports. This way, money comes from a different source.  Yes, it will be abused by boosters, and how is unforeseen.  But if a soccer player or volleyball player, who wouldn't make money under your scenario at all since those are non-revenue sports, can now make cash off of a YouTube account with personal highlight, why not?

/bring back the video games
//also, it's time to vote to expand the soccer season

Why would soccer or volleyball not get paid?  I didn't say they would be paid a salary based upon revenue pulled in, just a salary.  The custodial staff don't make any money for the university, but no one suggests they should not receive wages (well, every university's administration suggests that, but I mean actual humans).

Universities don't treat athletes like students, even for the non-profit sports.  The administration says nice things, but the actual way things work is that classes and grades are seen as undesirable obstacles by the administration.  Most student athletes seem fine with classes, but they are not-so-subtly made to understand that academic work is not a priority if they want to actually compete, as opposed to bench-riding.  The university itself does not see them as students, so I see no reason to treat them like students.  They are employees, there to perform a service for the administration - and then are discarded like any other employee.  They should at least get paid for their service.  I'm perfectly willing to get them an education at no or low cost in the interim, but as-is, they have all the demands of an employee with virtually none of the benefits of a student (the athletes are often more interested in doing decently in class than their coaches are - of course people who have never even met the athletes are more interested in their academic performance that the coaches are, so that is a low bar admittedly).  They are workers for the university and should be treated as such, not ruthlessly exploited by the university and then shat upon, while middle-aged spectators claim vicarious achievement off of them while deriding them for not all being Fulbright philosopher-kings.  But treating them as students first allows all the sins to be removed from the university and loaded upon the shoulders of a bunch of kids - not cool.


Honestly, you sound like a Power 5/high major alum.  If you go to a mid- or a low-major school like the one I did, you'll see the athletes in class, in study hall, and talked about by the school's PR department when it comes to high grades (with their permission, of course).

Not every school is UNC where they have fake classes to field a basketball team.
 
2020-04-29 2:22:28 PM  
I wish I owned a business that sold things. Cars, furniture, don't care. I would hire the local college's ladies volleyball team. The whole team, even that short defensive specialist.

Then the ladies can block high prices, spike down high interest rates and dig the savings, for you!
 
2020-04-29 4:54:25 PM  
Making money off of a player's image has been nothing short of theft.
 
2020-04-29 6:04:56 PM  
"The nation's largest governing body for college sports said it will still seek a federal law to keep individual states from passing their owns laws on compensation for college athletes."

How about you go fark yourself, NCAA?

If you'd been quicker off the mark, you'd have put something like this through before California's law.  And we all know that if it hadn't been for that, you'd still be piously proclaiming the glories of amateurism and how the sin of money must never taint the precious amateurs.
 
2020-04-29 7:12:34 PM  

kazrak: "The nation's largest governing body for college sports said it will still seek a federal law to keep individual states from passing their owns laws on compensation for college athletes."

How about you go fark yourself, NCAA?

If you'd been quicker off the mark, you'd have put something like this through before California's law.  And we all know that if it hadn't been for that, you'd still be piously proclaiming the glories of amateurism and how the sin of money must never taint the precious amateurs.


Yeah this is not "cool". The NCAA is trying to stop states from passing actual payment laws and also trying to get an anti trust exemption from Congress for their cartel.
 
2020-04-29 7:15:14 PM  
let that happen...

hopefully someday soon intramural sports will be televised and I can watch the state engineering team beat up on the tech law school in flag football?

that will be more watcheable than the SABAN MERCEDES  team  playing the DABO WALMART INC team.

F that Shiat.

CFB will be more the NBA than the NBA is. .... a garbage league filled with garbage people providing a garbage product.  shined up with spackle  and sucking chinas dick.

this is only going to be good for the type of crap people who follow influencers on the 'gram.
 
2020-04-29 8:58:35 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: Honestly, you sound like a Power 5/high major alum.  If you go to a mid- or a low-major school like the one I did, you'll see the athletes in class, in study hall, and talked about by the school's PR department when it comes to high grades (with their permission, of course).


I will never forget God Shammgod being in my class for like 2 weeks before the non-Dominican priest pretty much ran him out because he wouldn't just give him an A. I'm sure there were other classes where it wasn't like that at all, but that was my only experience with them....
 
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