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2020-04-28 8:39:20 PM  
Not enough James Brown dancing by the dude from 'Moon'.
 
2020-04-28 9:03:01 PM  
We watched that last weekend.  We're going through the Marvel movies in order.

Anyway, what I don't understand is why Hammer Industries is at the Stark Expo with their military hardware.  Sure, Stark had his suit and all.  But I would have sworn that it was a year long expo about science, tech, and peace.  Not coming in with a big gun.
 
2020-04-28 9:30:08 PM  
The 3rd one is better, but I don't hate the 2nd one.
 
2020-04-28 10:02:01 PM  
It isn't a bad movie, just not great by MCU standards, which is a high bar. It's still a fun movie.
Black Widow got a good introduction, Justin Hammer was funny. (Rockwell could have been a good Tony Stark had RDJ not done it) The shot in the final battle scene where his fearsome armour piercing shell bounced off the baddies armour with a 'Pling!' was great.

It did bother me that everyone kept on saying that Vanko "had got Stark's suit tech" when he had no such thing. He had a power source and cables as whips, he didn't (originally) have a suit.
 
2020-04-28 10:14:42 PM  
Mickey Roarke?
 
2020-04-29 12:33:00 AM  
Every super hero movie about half way through just becomes a 49minute fight scene that you have no farking clue what the hell is happening. Then the good guy wins.

/The end
 
2020-04-29 12:48:54 AM  
It started with greenlighting the first one and went from there.
 
2020-04-29 12:49:11 AM  
Not enough Ant-Man.
 
2020-04-29 12:50:07 AM  
So, this seems like the place to ask.....

RDJ talked about hitting rock bottom and getting clean as the result of an incident with a Burger King hamburger and being so disgusted by it.

Yet in Iron Man 2 there's some less than subtle product placement for Burger King in it.

WTF is up with that?  Was it an attempt to make amends after years of bashing the burger franchise?  Did BK do it as some sort of payback?
 
2020-04-29 12:54:59 AM  
I said in another thread a few weeks ago that it's the most inconsequential movie in the MCU. Events are never mentioned again and you could snap it out of existence and it would leave no plot holes in the MCU. It's basically Stark's AA speech in a visual format.
 
2020-04-29 12:57:58 AM  
It couldn't match the elegant simplicity of the first movie.  But introducing Romanov by having her spy on Tony first was a good idea.  Sam Rockwell was a bit over the top, but the scene where he talks about weapons for War Machine was great.

Some of the motivations of outside groups was a bit odd.. the Army wanted to roll tanks up to Stark's house and take his suits because.. he got drunk at his birthday party?  Because he was suppost to be 'on duty'?  I never quite got that.

Sen. Stern was a jerk about his tech, though later outing him an a member of Hydra gave him a very good reason for it.

And then the secret element.. which Howard Stark hid in the layout of the Stark Expo pavilions?  That was a bit out there.
 
2020-04-29 12:58:51 AM  
It's totally a watchable movie. Just not as good as 3.
 
2020-04-29 1:02:41 AM  
I thought it was pretty good.

I do think they missed a great opportunity by making Whiplash wrong about Stark's father stealing his tech.

Had they made Whiplash correct about Howard Stark, that would've made the movie much more complex about character motivations, but Marvel chickened out.

At least we got "Chef" out of this.
 
2020-04-29 1:06:16 AM  
CSB: I was trapped on a long work trip in a small Indiana town when Iron Man 2 came out. I was done with work by 2PM every day it was in the upper 90s most of the time. I saw Iron Man 2 seventeen times in the theater.

IM2 needed about 10 more minutes  to set up its villains more credibly. I don't feel like much was added by the spectacle of the Monoco scenes, but I do think showing the Tony/Pepper/Happy relationships was needed. I'm sure there was a different way to lead things off to show that Hammer wasn't just comic relief and that Vanko could really hurt Stark Industries with his brain as much as his weird bondage equipment.

BizarreMan: Anyway, what I don't understand is why Hammer Industries is at the Stark Expo with their military hardware.


It's reasonable to think that an exo-suit like that has civilian applications in heavy industry, but military tech is usually really sexy and attractive to a crowd, especially tech that appears to elevate US soldiers to super heroes. Tony also has the ego to think nothing Hammer has is going to challenge him and may have invited him just to be a magnanimous rival.

Carter Pewterschmidt: "had got Stark's suit tech" when he had no such thing. He had a power source and cables as whips, he didn't (originally) have a suit.


The Arc Reactor is the suit tech. Everything the suits do comes from the zero-point energy coming out of whatever miracle is happening inside one. And if Vanko only had the designs that Howard Stark had and made the same general improvements Tony did, it does speak to his being a lot more of a threat than the movie  allowed him to be.   As for the whips: Tony's suits are generally shown to be pretty easy to trash. They're bulletproof and they hold up to impacts pretty well, but they are also a gold alloy. Heating and cutting may have been the most expedient strategy for peeling the shell.
 
2020-04-29 1:09:43 AM  
Not enough lens flare
 
2020-04-29 1:14:37 AM  

scottydoesntknow: it's the most inconsequential movie in the MCU.


Kind of, but there's a farkton of character- and worldbuilding. Hammer Industries is a thing in the MCU. We see the first glimpses of SHIELD agents, heroes other than Tony and generally the world outside his lens. Avengers could not be the movie it is without some of the stuff established in Iron Man 2.
 
2020-04-29 1:17:16 AM  

likefunbutnot: scottydoesntknow: it's the most inconsequential movie in the MCU.

Kind of, but there's a farkton of character- and worldbuilding. Hammer Industries is a thing in the MCU. We see the first glimpses of SHIELD agents, heroes other than Tony and generally the world outside his lens. Avengers could not be the movie it is without some of the stuff established in Iron Man 2.


Shield was in the first Iron Man film.
 
2020-04-29 1:25:10 AM  

Skarekrough: So, this seems like the place to ask.....

RDJ talked about hitting rock bottom and getting clean as the result of an incident with a Burger King hamburger and being so disgusted by it.

Yet in Iron Man 2 there's some less than subtle product placement for Burger King in it.

WTF is up with that?  Was it an attempt to make amends after years of bashing the burger franchise?  Did BK do it as some sort of payback?


All they want to do is give Downey a chance, and now he's got his own dance.
 
2020-04-29 1:28:07 AM  

BafflerMeal: Shield was in the first Iron Man film.


Fury and Coulson were, but you don't get any sense of it as an organization until the second movie. If you're going by just Coulson in Iron Man, you might think they're just generic FBI-like people. In the second movie it's much more clear that each agent is a step or two up in competence from any normal agency we might see in the real world..
 
2020-04-29 1:28:17 AM  
This screenplay was written by Justin Theroux.

It wasn't cobbled together with Leftovers.
 
2020-04-29 1:42:24 AM  
He just wanted bord. His bord.
 
2020-04-29 1:49:26 AM  
I prefer IM2 over IM3, Thor 2, Avengers 2 Doctor Strange, Black Panther and both MCU Spiderman movies.
 
2020-04-29 1:51:49 AM  

phygz: Mickey Roarke?


What was up with his fingers in IM2?
 
2020-04-29 1:55:33 AM  

Trik: I prefer IM2 over IM3, Thor 2, Avengers 2 Doctor Strange, Black Panther and both MCU Spiderman movies.


Oh and Captain Marvel.
 
2020-04-29 2:08:44 AM  
The film itself is enjoyable enough - who doesn't want to see Mickey Rourke chatting in Russian to a cockatoo?

Me?  Mickey Rourke is a human cockroach.
 
2020-04-29 2:31:18 AM  

Trik: phygz: Mickey Roarke?

What was up with his fingers in IM2?


According to the Jon Favreau, after Mickey was cast he flew to Russia to visit some prisons there - on his own initiative.
 
2020-04-29 2:36:40 AM  

fusillade762: The 3rd one is better, but I don't hate the 2nd one.


Gonna disagree with you there. Iron Man 3 was terrible. The tacked on Marvel Short that came later makes it a little better, but I can't even make it through 3, and I'm a huge Iron Man fan. Not saying that 2 was a cinematic masterpiece or anything, but it's more bearable than 3, IMO.

I mean, besides the completely moronic Mandarin shiat that they pulled, there was the farking skydive sequence. The completely wasted use of Miguel Ferrer in a role that could have been filled by a community theater headliner, for all the skill that the role required. The obvious pandering to the Chinese market with a 10 second bit in the beginning that had all the subtlety and grace of an 80's product placement (seriously, I liked that Yinsen popped up and you had the callback to the first film, but Tony could have walked away right after shaking Yinsen's hand and it wouldn't have changed the opening scene at all). Iron Man 2 had bad parts, sure, but it pretty much got close to it's potential; 3 is just 2 hours of wasted potential with a few good moments at the end (Super-Pepper and the House Party).
 
2020-04-29 2:40:03 AM  

Johnny the Tackling Alzheimers Patient: Trik: phygz: Mickey Roarke?

What was up with his fingers in IM2?

According to the Jon Favreau, after Mickey was cast he flew to Russia to visit some prisons there - on his own initiative.


That's a craft.
 
2020-04-29 2:41:15 AM  
Nothing, Iron Man II is great.  At the time, I felt that Black Widow and Nick Fury were shoehorned in, and different Rhodey was jarring... but now, they all look like they belong there.

My only complaint is that "creating a new element" should have been a little harder than "pointing laser at thing."  Otherwise, great movie.
 
2020-04-29 2:55:10 AM  
Every Marvel movie has some elements that still make it entertaining. Number one on the list for IM2 is Sam Rockwell. Small bit of trivia I recently learned: Leslie Bibb, who played Christine Everheart the reporter, and Sam Rockwell have been a couple since before the first Iron Man movie. Knowing that, her brief appearance in IM2 ditching Justin Hammer is extra entertaining.
She did appear on the Ant-Man extras as a news anchor for a Fox-like news channel.
 
2020-04-29 2:58:25 AM  

Johnny the Tackling Alzheimers Patient: Trik: phygz: Mickey Roarke?

What was up with his fingers in IM2?

According to the Jon Favreau, after Mickey was cast he flew to Russia to visit some prisons there - on his own initiative.


So going to russia made his fingers look like that?
 
2020-04-29 3:04:14 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: fusillade762: The 3rd one is better, but I don't hate the 2nd one.

Gonna disagree with you there. Iron Man 3 was terrible. The tacked on Marvel Short that came later makes it a little better, but I can't even make it through 3, and I'm a huge Iron Man fan. Not saying that 2 was a cinematic masterpiece or anything, but it's more bearable than 3, IMO.

I mean, besides the completely moronic Mandarin shiat that they pulled, there was the farking skydive sequence. The completely wasted use of Miguel Ferrer in a role that could have been filled by a community theater headliner, for all the skill that the role required. The obvious pandering to the Chinese market with a 10 second bit in the beginning that had all the subtlety and grace of an 80's product placement (seriously, I liked that Yinsen popped up and you had the callback to the first film, but Tony could have walked away right after shaking Yinsen's hand and it wouldn't have changed the opening scene at all). Iron Man 2 had bad parts, sure, but it pretty much got close to it's potential; 3 is just 2 hours of wasted potential with a few good moments at the end (Super-Pepper and the House Party).


We'll have to agree to disagree.  I liked the parts with the kid and Tony being forced to improvise without Jarvis and his super-advanced lab.
 
2020-04-29 3:14:06 AM  
Too much going on to give anything its proper amount of time and struggling to tie all of it together:

War Machine (and Don Cheadle) are brought in
Whiplash
Hammertech and the drones
Also Tony is apparently dying
Black Widow introduced
Whatever Happy and Pepper were doing.  I completely forgot.
Gary Shandling tries to take Tony's toys for the government HYDRA

All that combined makes the same fallacy as Spider-Man 3
 
2020-04-29 5:43:47 AM  
Briefcase armor, Rockwell, Natasha, Iron Man vs Iron Man.
Love that movie.

/"hammeroid"
 
2020-04-29 5:59:55 AM  

Trik: Johnny the Tackling Alzheimers Patient: Trik: phygz: Mickey Roarke?

What was up with his fingers in IM2?

According to the Jon Favreau, after Mickey was cast he flew to Russia to visit some prisons there - on his own initiative.

So going to russia made his fingers look like that?


His fingers and God knows what else.
 
2020-04-29 6:34:54 AM  
You know, you and me, we're a lot alike.
 
2020-04-29 6:36:37 AM  
There's that scene where Tony meets Ivan in jail, and RDJ looks like he's portraying Burt Reynolds. I don't know if it's the lighting or the wardrobe or what.
 
2020-04-29 7:06:55 AM  
Iron Man doesn't really have a memorable rogues gallery.
 
2020-04-29 7:37:30 AM  

resident dystopian: Iron Man doesn't really have a memorable rogues gallery.


Crimson Dynamo, Mandarin, Radioactive Man, Ghost, Living Laser, Madame Masque, Whirlwind, Blizzard...

Simon Williams started as an Iron Man villain, too.
 
2020-04-29 7:42:27 AM  
I watched it last year to give it another chance. If they had gotten someone better for Whiplash, rewritten the fight scene in Monaco (why does a guy who can fly and shoot lasers fight a guy with whips by staying on the ground and why doesn't being crushed by a car kill whiplash) and write out the party scene where Tony pisses himself then you have a decent movie.
 
2020-04-29 7:45:03 AM  
too many close ups of Mickey Roarke's fingernails
 
2020-04-29 7:47:24 AM  

mechgreg: I watched it last year to give it another chance. If they had gotten someone better for Whiplash, rewritten the fight scene in Monaco (why does a guy who can fly and shoot lasers fight a guy with whips by staying on the ground and why doesn't being crushed by a car kill whiplash) and write out the party scene where Tony pisses himself then you have a decent movie.


look. The point of a movie is to have enjoyable content for the eyes and ears. Its not supposed to make sense


If movies followed real world logic than the villain would kill the hero in the first 90 seconds of the movie with high powered explosives. No spy movie would ever work because the guards would be more intelligent than a drunk bouncer. Every car chase would end in the first impact when the airbags knock out the driver
 
2020-04-29 7:51:27 AM  
Let's be perfectly honest here: Iron Man 2 is the third movie in what is currently a 23* movie series. The series really didn't take off until it was tied all together in the original Avengers movie (even if the first Cap movie is one of my favorites). I would almost argue that the entire point of IM2 is to start peeling away the layers to give us what The Avengers became, the same as pretty much every movie in the series leading up to Infinity War. I mean, as much as I hate Thor: The Dull World, its entire point is that it's the Red Æther/Stone film. All of the films are meant to advance the entire Avengers story line towards the next goal, even if we don't know at this point what the next goal is. Granted, there are story lines out there that haven't advanced (Mr. Blue for example, or Quill's powers, which I believe he still has and will be shown in the third Guardians film, whenever that is) but they're there to be advanced.

\IH & Dull World will always be my two least favorite MCU movies
\\I truly wish I had access to all 23 right now, but I don't, because I am totally jonesing to do the complete MCU Marathon right now and can't
\\\*and it should be 24 because Black Widow should've come out before Endgame, if not Infinity War
 
2020-04-29 7:53:09 AM  
I thought it was solid entertainment. Vanko and Hammer were fun
 
2020-04-29 8:01:21 AM  
The shiat Marvel movies are the best measure at how successful these things are going to be for the foreseeable future.

Trik: I prefer IM2 over IM3, Thor 2, Avengers 2 Doctor Strange, Black Panther and both MCU Spiderman movies.


See? It won't matter how bad a movie is, there's going to be someone declaring it the best of the rotten bunch.
 
2020-04-29 8:03:04 AM  

farkyorefeelings: Not enough Ant-Man.


What are you talking about? Ant-Man was in every scene.
 
2020-04-29 8:05:57 AM  
There was nothing wrong with that movie.  I loved it.

Is it as good as some of the others?  Maybe not, but that's because those movies are also really really good.

People need to stop.  Even the worst of the Marvel movies are entertaining. They may not POP the way they are supposed to, but Marvel doesn't spare the expense and it shows.
 
2020-04-29 8:07:40 AM  

Trik: I prefer IM2 over IM3, Thor 2, Avengers 2 Doctor Strange, Black Panther and both MCU Spiderman movies.


List fails without also pretending that Ragnarok, Civil War, IW, and Endgame were worse than IM2 as well.
 
2020-04-29 8:11:08 AM  

Screaming Candle: There was nothing wrong with that movie.  I loved it.

Is it as good as some of the others?  Maybe not, but that's because those movies are also really really good.

People need to stop.  Even the worst of the Marvel movies are entertaining. They may not POP the way they are supposed to, but Marvel doesn't spare the expense and it shows.


Sounds like some of these people need to watch Fantastic 4 again.  ALL OF THEM.

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2020-04-29 8:14:09 AM  

born_yesterday: Screaming Candle: There was nothing wrong with that movie.  I loved it.

Is it as good as some of the others?  Maybe not, but that's because those movies are also really really good.

People need to stop.  Even the worst of the Marvel movies are entertaining. They may not POP the way they are supposed to, but Marvel doesn't spare the expense and it shows.

Sounds like some of these people need to watch Fantastic 4 again.  ALL OF THEM.

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Korman ,the 2 with Jessica Biel or the 1 with Jordan?
 
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