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(The Hill)   US Navy: You know, the USS Theodore Roosevelt needs a new skipper. How about that Captain Crozier fellow? He seems bright and capable   (thehill.com) divider line
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2020-04-24 5:27:41 PM  
Get him back in command as soon as possible.
 
2020-04-24 5:34:46 PM  
They can just claim it was a "sarcastic" firing.
 
2020-04-24 5:57:05 PM  
I hope the folks in the military who vote are paying attention
 
2020-04-24 5:57:55 PM  
This won't end well.
Doubt is like a fire on a ship.
This is why you don't play army men with Navy men.
 
2020-04-24 5:58:21 PM  
If it upsets Trump or his followers, do it.

In fact, do it anyway
 
2020-04-24 5:58:31 PM  
Shooting the messenger is a time honored military tradition, but this was beyond the pale. Hope he gets his job back.
 
2020-04-24 5:58:42 PM  
It's good news but overall this entire thing is indicative of really weak leadership. It's insane how quickly the GOP stripped the entire government of competence.
 
2020-04-24 5:59:18 PM  
Everyday acts of resistance, like saying "Naw, we still like the guy you fired," are important. They remind others that it's still possible.
 
2020-04-24 6:00:54 PM  

duppy: They can just claim it was a "sarcastic" firing.


They sarcastically relieved him of his command just to own the libs. The libs had no idea just how owned they were. But now it's time to reinstate them now that the owning of the libs on this particular front has run its course and they're focusing on new ways to own the libs.
 
2020-04-24 6:02:41 PM  
This would be a very smart move by the Navy.

/ Trump lackey destroyed is own career trying to kiss-ass Trump.
// For nothing!
/// Ha! Ha!
 
2020-04-24 6:03:40 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Everyday acts of resistance, like saying "Naw, we still like the guy you fired," are important. They remind others that it's still possible.


Man, am I conflicted here....
 
2020-04-24 6:04:11 PM  

Dennis_Moore: This won't end well.
Doubt is like a fire on a ship.
This is why you don't play army men with Navy men.


Why are there Marines on Navy vessels?  So the Sailors have somebody to dance with.  Both jarheads and squids love that joke.
 
2020-04-24 6:04:29 PM  
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2020-04-24 6:04:35 PM  
Just be sure he's recovered from the 'rona.

farkin disgrace they fired him in the first place 🐝.
 
2020-04-24 6:07:14 PM  
I could see the Captain telling his superiors that he could not yet accept command until the path of the leaked email is found.  Basically hold his bosses' feet to the fire until someone is offered up as a sacrifice (and see how long before that person finds an email to save themselves)
 
2020-04-24 6:08:29 PM  
If there was anyone mildly competent and sane in charge this would be a done deal.

Reinstate Crozier and put all the blame on Moldy. You defend the Navy by saying it was inappropriate civilian interference and that the Navy leaders always had faith in him. You defend the administration by Moldy already being gone and tout how his replacement is a career Navy man.

But this is the Trump Administration and Crozier made Trump look bad. So....
 
2020-04-24 6:12:17 PM  
 
2020-04-24 6:13:20 PM  
Love this. As good as spray painting TRUMP IS AN IDIOT on the flight deck in 20' letters.
 
2020-04-24 6:14:08 PM  
He should absolutely get a similar command somewhere & not overseeing mess kit repairs in Greenland or wherever he's been hidden away at.  That said, he really can't go back to the TR.  TPTB/Brass publicly showed that they didn't have confidence in him (as misguided as it may be).  Putting him back there potentially sets up a  morale/readiness problem.  If there's a military reason for the TR to go do 'x' because of 'y', if the crew didn't like it, it would be real easy for them to think "we're being sent there/have to do that because the brass just wants to stick it to the Captain...fark it, I'm not going to do my job well in retaliation...".

By all accounts he's a competent commander (& to be put in command of a modern nuclear carrier you have to have God levels of competence to begin with), we've got a lot of carriers steaming around.  Give him command of one of them, just not the TR.  He needs to start with a more or less clean slate
 
2020-04-24 6:15:05 PM  

Dennis_Moore: This won't end well.
Doubt is like a fire on a ship.
This is why you don't play army men with Navy men.


If he gets his ship back there will be no doubt among those sailors that their skipper has their backs and their best interests at heart, even at the expense of his career.  That's gotta jump morale up several dozen points.  This will end very well.
 
2020-04-24 6:18:26 PM  
Ha! Wow, Operation "Full Circle" fully underway.  Only in the Trump era could this take place.

I'm very glad they're recommending reinstating him.  He's pretty much a hero for saving lives on the ship.
 
2020-04-24 6:22:36 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: It's insane how quickly the GOP stripped the entire government of competence.


Any bureaucracy is a collection of useless bodies, where all progress depends on the bright few who defy expectations and make everything work.

Trump found those people and drove them out.  All that's left is the dead weight.
 
2020-04-24 6:24:38 PM  
As great as this sounds I just don't see it happening.

The CIC is at the top of the chain, and gets what he wants.
 
2020-04-24 6:25:18 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Navy to cut 2 carrier groups


Nothing has been decided yet, it's just a preliminary study.
 
2020-04-24 6:28:13 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Ow! That was my feelings!: Navy to cut 2 carrier groups

Nothing has been decided yet, it's just a preliminary study.


You paying more taxes, patriot?  https://www.usdebtclock.org​/

If not, America is over.
 
2020-04-24 6:29:22 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Ow! That was my feelings!: Navy to cut 2 carrier groups

Nothing has been decided yet, it's just a preliminary study.


"It's not final until it's final"
 
2020-04-24 6:29:24 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: UNC_Samurai: Ow! That was my feelings!: Navy to cut 2 carrier groups

Nothing has been decided yet, it's just a preliminary study.

You paying more taxes, patriot?  https://www.usdebtclock.org/

If not, America is over.


That turned into derp rather quickly.
 
2020-04-24 6:29:55 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Navy to cut 2 carrier groups


That's a perfect Trumpian response to resolve the situation: just fire a few carrier groups, sweep the whole mess under the rug of forgotten history.

BTW "Big Stick" (USS TR) was featured in Popular Mechanics in February.
 
2020-04-24 6:33:00 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Ow! That was my feelings!: UNC_Samurai: Ow! That was my feelings!: Navy to cut 2 carrier groups

Nothing has been decided yet, it's just a preliminary study.

You paying more taxes, patriot?  https://www.usdebtclock.org/

If not, America is over.

That turned into derp rather quickly.


Oh.  I thought we were already dancing.

Carry on.

I only want the deadenders.
 
2020-04-24 6:34:09 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: It's good news but overall this entire thing is indicative of really weak leadership. It's insane how quickly the GOP stripped the entire government of competence.


It's amazing how few competent people are willing to play backstab calvinball with a bunch of mentally handicapped criminals, isn't it?
 
2020-04-24 6:39:08 PM  

schnee: I hope the folks in the military who vote are paying attention


Yup, that's what I said...if the military is sick of his shiat, the less chance he tries to pull some BS after he loses the election.
 
2020-04-24 6:41:57 PM  
Reinstatement would be a solid confirmation that the relief was political. Ultimately, I suppose it's up to the CSG commander, and that's the tough spot. If he reinstates Crozier, he's broadcasting that he made a decision he disagreed with but played along to appease a political appointee who is not in the operational chain of command.

All that aside, reinstatement would present a host of deckplate-level problems related to good order and discipline, not to mention establish a precedent (actual or perceived) that public critique, petitions, and crew admiration have anything to do with the assignment of Commanding Officers in the Navy.

Don't get me wrong, I believe CAPT Crozier is likely an officer of the highest integrity; carrier CO's are the most-thoroughly vetted positions in the Navy, after all.  I think ADM Gilday and the MCPON will be having some serious conversations about what downstream impact such reinstatement would have on Sailors in the fleet, though.
 
2020-04-24 6:43:10 PM  
Crozier should retire and write the book. Fark them.
 
2020-04-24 6:50:01 PM  
This needs to happen. And the Trump administration, known for its dislike of leakers, should look into who made it public.
 
2020-04-24 6:52:18 PM  

Binuru: Reinstatement would be a solid confirmation that the relief was political. Ultimately, I suppose it's up to the CSG commander, and that's the tough spot. If he reinstates Crozier, he's broadcasting that he made a decision he disagreed with but played along to appease a political appointee who is not in the operational chain of command.

All that aside, reinstatement would present a host of deckplate-level problems related to good order and discipline, not to mention establish a precedent (actual or perceived) that public critique, petitions, and crew admiration have anything to do with the assignment of Commanding Officers in the Navy.

Don't get me wrong, I believe CAPT Crozier is likely an officer of the highest integrity; carrier CO's are the most-thoroughly vetted positions in the Navy, after all.  I think ADM Gilday and the MCPON will be having some serious conversations about what downstream impact such reinstatement would have on Sailors in the fleet, though.


You don't think the CNO already considered that before making the recommendation?
 
2020-04-24 6:54:32 PM  
Although it is tempting, I would not recommend this.

A pirate carrier fleet, doing what they want, where they want?

Okay. I correct myself. I'm okay with this. It's been a crazy couple of years and it's about time we had some fun out of it.
 
2020-04-24 6:55:33 PM  
If this were an episode of Star Trek, the captain would be back on the bridge by the end of the hour.
 
2020-04-24 6:59:35 PM  

Binuru: Reinstatement would be a solid confirmation that the relief was political. Ultimately, I suppose it's up to the CSG commander, and that's the tough spot. If he reinstates Crozier, he's broadcasting that he made a decision he disagreed with but played along to appease a political appointee who is not in the operational chain of command.

All that aside, reinstatement would present a host of deckplate-level problems related to good order and discipline, not to mention establish a precedent (actual or perceived) that public critique, petitions, and crew admiration have anything to do with the assignment of Commanding Officers in the Navy.

Don't get me wrong, I believe CAPT Crozier is likely an officer of the highest integrity; carrier CO's are the most-thoroughly vetted positions in the Navy, after all.  I think ADM Gilday and the MCPON will be having some serious conversations about what downstream impact such reinstatement would have on Sailors in the fleet, though.


I think you could use a little more rum and sodomy, and a little less lash.
 
2020-04-24 7:00:25 PM  

edmo: This needs to happen. And the Trump administration, known for its dislike of leakers, should look into who made it public.


My money is on David Dennison...
 
2020-04-24 7:03:25 PM  

Binuru: Reinstatement would be a solid confirmation that the relief was political. Ultimately, I suppose it's up to the CSG commander, and that's the tough spot. If he reinstates Crozier, he's broadcasting that he made a decision he disagreed with but played along to appease a political appointee who is not in the operational chain of command.

All that aside, reinstatement would present a host of deckplate-level problems related to good order and discipline, not to mention establish a precedent (actual or perceived) that public critique, petitions, and crew admiration have anything to do with the assignment of Commanding Officers in the Navy.

Don't get me wrong, I believe CAPT Crozier is likely an officer of the highest integrity; carrier CO's are the most-thoroughly vetted positions in the Navy, after all.  I think ADM Gilday and the MCPON will be having some serious conversations about what downstream impact such reinstatement would have on Sailors in the fleet, though.


For someone whose Fark profile says 'Sea Duty' you sure aren't clear on this topic.  Crozier was fired by an Acting SECNAV. Other than the fact that the CSG commander is so far down the food chain as to be laughable, Crozier's reinstatement is clearly in the realm of the civilian oversight bubbas now.  The uniformed leadership cannot be seen as overriding the judgment of the civilian leadership-that is not how things work.  And Gilday knows this.  That's why the CNO punted this to SECDEF.

Have a great Navy day.
 
2020-04-24 7:04:09 PM  

FarkOf40000Years: If this were an episode of Star Trek, the captain would be back on the bridge by the end of the hour.


not unless the night crew was the relief

Robot Chicken - Star Trek: The Next Generation's Night Crew
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2020-04-24 7:05:00 PM  

Weatherkiss: duppy: They can just claim it was a "sarcastic" firing.

They sarcastically relieved him of his command just to own the libs. The libs had no idea just how owned they were. But now it's time to reinstate them now that the owning of the libs on this particular front has run its course and they're focusing on new ways to own the libs.


Well, it worked. I am so triggered right now. Let's make lesbian babies.
 
2020-04-24 7:06:39 PM  

Dennis_Moore: This won't end well.
Doubt is like a fire on a ship.
This is why you don't play army men with Navy men.


Given the send off the crew gave him, i think if anything this cements him as their leader in their eyes
 
2020-04-24 7:08:30 PM  

schnee: I hope the folks in the military who vote are paying attention


We are. Here's hoping this ends well.
 
2020-04-24 7:13:06 PM  
I think people should look into the letter writing Roosevelt did during the Spanish-American War. It is weird how history just repeats itself over and over.
 
2020-04-24 7:16:30 PM  

Dennis_Moore: This won't end well.
Doubt is like a fire on a ship.
This is why you don't play army men with Navy men.


You do when the army needs help.

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/san​d​-sailors-3354670
 
2020-04-24 7:29:38 PM  

carkiller: Weatherkiss: duppy: They can just claim it was a "sarcastic" firing.

They sarcastically relieved him of his command just to own the libs. The libs had no idea just how owned they were. But now it's time to reinstate them now that the owning of the libs on this particular front has run its course and they're focusing on new ways to own the libs.

Well, it worked. I am so triggered right now. Let's make lesbian babies.





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2020-04-24 7:32:47 PM  

Recoil Therapy: He should absolutely get a similar command somewhere & not overseeing mess kit repairs in Greenland or wherever he's been hidden away at.  That said, he really can't go back to the TR.  TPTB/Brass publicly showed that they didn't have confidence in him (as misguided as it may be).  Putting him back there potentially sets up a  morale/readiness problem.  If there's a military reason for the TR to go do 'x' because of 'y', if the crew didn't like it, it would be real easy for them to think "we're being sent there/have to do that because the brass just wants to stick it to the Captain...fark it, I'm not going to do my job well in retaliation...".

By all accounts he's a competent commander (& to be put in command of a modern nuclear carrier you have to have God levels of competence to begin with), we've got a lot of carriers steaming around.  Give him command of one of them, just not the TR.  He needs to start with a more or less clean slate


I say give him his old command back. The morale and respect would hit the moon. They need that right now.
 
2020-04-24 7:32:55 PM  
Surrender Training, whether it be to a foreign enemy or a home-grown mobster/dictator, is rarely practiced in the US military.  The Navy brass should be commended for taking the risk, heading for uncharted waters.
 
2020-04-24 7:33:23 PM  

Loki009: Dennis_Moore: This won't end well.
Doubt is like a fire on a ship.
This is why you don't play army men with Navy men.

Given the send off the crew gave him, i think if anything this cements him as their leader in their eyes


He may have gone in search of more lupins.
 
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