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2020-04-24 3:18:59 AM  
If you're shooting a rifle where the action is so huge you have to use a crank rather than a bolt to chamber it, you've graduated from a BMG to a BFG.
 
2020-04-24 4:03:41 AM  
My stepson and I were at Dragonman's range in Colorado Springs a few years ago, and they had a guy there that weekend with a Barrett M82 .50 cal, the rifle that shows up in Hurt Locker and a bunch of other movies (although this one wasn't a semi-auto).*

He was charging $10 a round to shoot it, so my stepson and I both did. There were two pretty big surprises for me:

The recoil and noise was far milder than I expected. My 30.06 sounds louder and kicks harder.

But that was only if you were the one shooting it. When I shot it I saw dust and leaves and stuff flying all around, so when my stepson's turn came up I thought it would be safer to stand about 10 feet off to the side and about 10 feet back from the muzzle.

When he pulled the trigger, the world came to an end. The blast was so damned loud it felt like being punched in the chest, and it whipped up dirt and sand and crap that stung like bees when it hit.

That explained why the guy who owned the rifle crouched down right behind whoever was shooting.

You can see a for more violent blast in the video starting at about 1:25. If you've seen the end of Saving Private Ryan when the .20mm shows up, it shows why the people it hit disintegrated into pink clouds of blood and guts
 
2020-04-24 4:41:13 AM  
My dad's 30.06 loads kick my ass. I hated using his Remington 30.06 when target shooting. I preferred my Plain Jane 30-30 Winchester 94 for hunting.
 
2020-04-24 4:53:10 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: My dad's 30.06 loads kick my ass. I hated using his Remington 30.06 when target shooting. I preferred my Plain Jane 30-30 Winchester 94 for hunting.


The very definition of carry a lot, shoot a little.
 
2020-04-24 9:00:40 AM  

Sensei Can You See: My stepson and I were at Dragonman's range in Colorado Springs a few years ago, and they had a guy there that weekend with a Barrett M82 .50 cal, the rifle that shows up in Hurt Locker and a bunch of other movies (although this one wasn't a semi-auto).*

He was charging $10 a round to shoot it, so my stepson and I both did. There were two pretty big surprises for me:

The recoil and noise was far milder than I expected. My 30.06 sounds louder and kicks harder.

But that was only if you were the one shooting it. When I shot it I saw dust and leaves and stuff flying all around, so when my stepson's turn came up I thought it would be safer to stand about 10 feet off to the side and about 10 feet back from the muzzle.

When he pulled the trigger, the world came to an end. The blast was so damned loud it felt like being punched in the chest, and it whipped up dirt and sand and crap that stung like bees when it hit.

That explained why the guy who owned the rifle crouched down right behind whoever was shooting.

You can see a for more violent blast in the video starting at about 1:25. If you've seen the end of Saving Private Ryan when the .20mm shows up, it shows why the people it hit disintegrated into pink clouds of blood and guts


(you may already know this) The lack of recoil is related to why you felt the blast which is the muzzle brake, it forces the gas to go sideways and up to reduce muzzle rise and keep the barrel level.

I have one on an AR that is obnoxious. Enough so people think it running a 30 cal bullet.
 
2020-04-24 9:52:13 AM  

Sensei Can You See: My stepson and I were at Dragonman's range in Colorado Springs a few years ago, and they had a guy there that weekend with a Barrett M82 .50 cal, the rifle that shows up in Hurt Locker and a bunch of other movies (although this one wasn't a semi-auto).*

He was charging $10 a round to shoot it, so my stepson and I both did. There were two pretty big surprises for me:

The recoil and noise was far milder than I expected. My 30.06 sounds louder and kicks harder.

But that was only if you were the one shooting it. When I shot it I saw dust and leaves and stuff flying all around, so when my stepson's turn came up I thought it would be safer to stand about 10 feet off to the side and about 10 feet back from the muzzle.

When he pulled the trigger, the world came to an end. The blast was so damned loud it felt like being punched in the chest, and it whipped up dirt and sand and crap that stung like bees when it hit.

That explained why the guy who owned the rifle crouched down right behind whoever was shooting.

You can see a for more violent blast in the video starting at about 1:25. If you've seen the end of Saving Private Ryan when the .20mm shows up, it shows why the people it hit disintegrated into pink clouds of blood and guts


A few years back I had the opportunity to do a spendex on M-107.  Several of us set up in the back of a truck, all wearing double ear-pro except the shooter, who only had an in-ear set.  He sends that first round and immediately looks back astonished at the spotter and remarks on the noise and concussion from it (since the blast was bouncing off the inside of the truck and hitting him).  The spotter told him to stop being a wuss and the ammo isn't gonna spend itself.  The dude shot 150ish rounds from back there and was deafened (and dumber than usual) for several days after.

Even in open air as the shooter, the blast will get to you.  I had a headache after about 100 rounds.  At least it's not the Karl G, which you are instructed to only shoot 3 times per day or you risk damaging the tissue in your heart.
 
2020-04-24 9:56:24 AM  
Also, the articles linked at the bottom of TFA are bananas.
 
2020-04-24 10:22:26 AM  
The Finns make some good weapons.  Even if they steal the original design from their neighbors (Russia), their version of the product is usually much better.

IIRC, they even have a more recent bolt-action, home-made anti-material rifle in .50 caliber.
 
2020-04-24 10:30:12 AM  
I hope this has a "vintage" tag because the video is several years old.
 
2020-04-24 10:33:35 AM  

rikkards: Sensei Can You See: My stepson and I were at Dragonman's range in Colorado Springs a few years ago, and they had a guy there that weekend with a Barrett M82 .50 cal, the rifle that shows up in Hurt Locker and a bunch of other movies (although this one wasn't a semi-auto).*

He was charging $10 a round to shoot it, so my stepson and I both did. There were two pretty big surprises for me:

The recoil and noise was far milder than I expected. My 30.06 sounds louder and kicks harder.

But that was only if you were the one shooting it. When I shot it I saw dust and leaves and stuff flying all around, so when my stepson's turn came up I thought it would be safer to stand about 10 feet off to the side and about 10 feet back from the muzzle.

When he pulled the trigger, the world came to an end. The blast was so damned loud it felt like being punched in the chest, and it whipped up dirt and sand and crap that stung like bees when it hit.

That explained why the guy who owned the rifle crouched down right behind whoever was shooting.

You can see a for more violent blast in the video starting at about 1:25. If you've seen the end of Saving Private Ryan when the .20mm shows up, it shows why the people it hit disintegrated into pink clouds of blood and guts

(you may already know this) The lack of recoil is related to why you felt the blast which is the muzzle brake, it forces the gas to go sideways and up to reduce muzzle rise and keep the barrel level.

I have one on an AR that is obnoxious. Enough so people think it running a 30 cal bullet.


That is exactly why, in the end, I couldn't bring myself to build anything around the 10" barrel or less mark. They seem to look cool, but that's it. My 13.7 that's pinned to 16 and my 18" SPR both sound about the same, which I wasn't expecting, but the pistol and sbr builds I've shot just weren't that enjoyable. They do look cool but...
 
2020-04-24 10:38:53 AM  

006andahalf: Also, the articles linked at the bottom of TFA are bananas.


It's really a shame that so many of my fellow gun nuts are so abysmally stupid.  I read the one about socialism.  Good grief.

Oh well.  Maybe their survivors will be selling their gun collections cheap.

Something to look forward to.
 
2020-04-24 10:59:44 AM  
 

Sensei Can You See: My stepson and I were at Dragonman's range in Colorado Springs a few years ago, and they had a guy there that weekend with a Barrett M82 .50 cal, the rifle that shows up in Hurt Locker and a bunch of other movies (although this one wasn't a semi-auto).*

He was charging $10 a round to shoot it, so my stepson and I both did. There were two pretty big surprises for me:


Depending on when it was, that might have been just a little more expensive than the single round itself. .50 cal bullets are not cheap.

The article says they used that anti-tank rifle to counter snipe people.

That...was probably very goddamn messy.
 
2020-04-24 11:15:18 AM  
It had excellent accuracy, penetration and range, but its size made transportation difficult

I have the same problem
 
2020-04-24 11:17:54 AM  

006andahalf: Also, the articles linked at the bottom of TFA are bananas.


A couple of years back I picked up an outdoorsman/hunting magazine in a waiting room.  About 1/3 of the articles were fearmongering "Mah gunz!!!" type.
 
2020-04-24 11:20:54 AM  

knobmaker: 006andahalf: Also, the articles linked at the bottom of TFA are bananas.

It's really a shame that so many of my fellow gun nuts are so abysmally stupid.  I read the one about socialism.  Good grief.

Oh well.  Maybe their survivors will be selling their gun collections cheap.

Something to look forward to.


Sadly it's true, and it's just getting worse.
 
2020-04-24 11:32:29 AM  
My brother has the bolt-action Barrett.  He didn't tell me about the 2.5 lb trigger pull when I fired it; I was expecting 5-8 lbs.  My brother is kind of a dick.

For anyone how doubts that the bullet that hit JFK in the back, exited his neck, then hit Gov. Connelly, that iMac just deflected that 2nd 20mm anti-tank round within the computer's case.  Goes in straight, comes out pointing up at a 45 degree angle.

An anti-sniper rifle?  Seems like a bit of overkill to me.  A .50BMG can create a 36" wound cavity, so if you hit someone in the navel, it's going to rip them in two.  I recall a TV show about US snipers in Iraq.  A US sniper managed to shoot an Iraqi sniper using a Barrett.  The round not only cut the Iraqi sniper in two, it did the same to the spotter standing behind him.
 
2020-04-24 11:40:53 AM  

MagicChicken: The article says they used that anti-tank rifle to counter snipe people.



Everything you ever wanted to know about the Lahti, presented by Gun Jesus.

20mm Lahti L39 Antitank Rifle (Shooting & History)
Youtube Y9qHv_XEAZg
 
2020-04-24 11:52:05 AM  

nyan9mm: rikkards: Sensei Can You See: My stepson and I were at Dragonman's range in Colorado Springs a few years ago, and they had a guy there that weekend with a Barrett M82 .50 cal, the rifle that shows up in Hurt Locker and a bunch of other movies (although this one wasn't a semi-auto).*

He was charging $10 a round to shoot it, so my stepson and I both did. There were two pretty big surprises for me:

The recoil and noise was far milder than I expected. My 30.06 sounds louder and kicks harder.

But that was only if you were the one shooting it. When I shot it I saw dust and leaves and stuff flying all around, so when my stepson's turn came up I thought it would be safer to stand about 10 feet off to the side and about 10 feet back from the muzzle.

When he pulled the trigger, the world came to an end. The blast was so damned loud it felt like being punched in the chest, and it whipped up dirt and sand and crap that stung like bees when it hit.

That explained why the guy who owned the rifle crouched down right behind whoever was shooting.

You can see a for more violent blast in the video starting at about 1:25. If you've seen the end of Saving Private Ryan when the .20mm shows up, it shows why the people it hit disintegrated into pink clouds of blood and guts

(you may already know this) The lack of recoil is related to why you felt the blast which is the muzzle brake, it forces the gas to go sideways and up to reduce muzzle rise and keep the barrel level.

I have one on an AR that is obnoxious. Enough so people think it running a 30 cal bullet.

That is exactly why, in the end, I couldn't bring myself to build anything around the 10" barrel or less mark. They seem to look cool, but that's it. My 13.7 that's pinned to 16 and my 18" SPR both sound about the same, which I wasn't expecting, but the pistol and sbr builds I've shot just weren't that enjoyable. They do look cool but...


indy_kid: My brother has the bolt-action Barrett.  He didn't tell me about the 2.5 lb trigger pull when I fired it; I was expecting 5-8 lbs.  My brother is kind of a dick.

For anyone how doubts that the bullet that hit JFK in the back, exited his neck, then hit Gov. Connelly, that iMac just deflected that 2nd 20mm anti-tank round within the computer's case.  Goes in straight, comes out pointing up at a 45 degree angle.

An anti-sniper rifle?  Seems like a bit of overkill to me.  A .50BMG can create a 36" wound cavity, so if you hit someone in the navel, it's going to rip them in two.  I recall a TV show about US snipers in Iraq.  A US sniper managed to shoot an Iraqi sniper using a Barrett.  The round not only cut the Iraqi sniper in two, it did the same to the spotter standing behind him.


They are usually used for distances and more for their original design which was anti-material.

The nice thing about the Barret is three of the last 5 distance records (1,4 and 5) were with a Barret which cost $10k and coincidentally all Canadian (JTF2, PPCLI 3). 2 and 3 were UK and the gun was specially designed for the role. The biggest difference with the latest was the prism attachment he had on his scope as it added an additional 80MOA to his shot.
 
2020-04-24 12:09:07 PM  

dittybopper: MagicChicken: The article says they used that anti-tank rifle to counter snipe people.


Everything you ever wanted to know about the Lahti, presented by Gun Jesus.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/Y9qHv_XE​AZg]


Gun Jesus preaches further on how anti-tank rifles were (mostly not) used as sniper rifles:

Why Antitank Rifles Were Not Sniper Rifles
Youtube mf7MezhQ6pw
 
2020-04-24 12:14:49 PM  

Flappyhead: 006andahalf: Also, the articles linked at the bottom of TFA are bananas.

A couple of years back I picked up an outdoorsman/hunting magazine in a waiting room.  About 1/3 of the articles were fearmongering "Mah gunz!!!" type.


I'm not all that old, and here is a list of just the federal laws enacted in my lifetime:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Con​t​rol_Act_of_1968
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus​_​Crime_Control_and_Safe_Streets_Act_of_​1968
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm​_​Owners_Protection_Act (Mostly positive but froze the machine gun registry)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undetec​t​able_Firearms_Act
1989 Executive order banning assault weapons imports
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Fre​e​_School_Zones_Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_H​a​ndgun_Violence_Prevention_Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal​_​Assault_Weapons_Ban (sunset in 2004)

That's bad enough.  It doesn't include proposed laws, nor state and local laws including out-and-out bans on handguns (since overturned by the Supreme Court).

Hell, I've got a perfect example of why so-called "common sense gun control" is feared by gun owners, even those without any actual interest in "assault weapons".  My first gun, which my parents bought for me when i was a young tween/teen was a Marlin-Glenfield Model 25A bolt-action .22 LR rifle.  This isn't my rifle, but it's the same make and model:

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It's banned in New York City because the magazine holds more than 5 rounds (it holds 7 rounds):

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This despite the fact that it's a manually operated (you have to manipulate the bolt for each shot) and in .22 Long Rifle

I'm willing to bet you had no farkin' idea.

Of course you don't, because it doesn't affect you in any way.   But it would affect me if I lived in NYC, and it would affect me if some people get their way either in my state, or nationally.

And yet you are baffled at the reaction of gun owners to any additional regulations?

*REALLY*?
 
2020-04-24 12:21:10 PM  

Polish Hussar: dittybopper: MagicChicken: The article says they used that anti-tank rifle to counter snipe people.


Everything you ever wanted to know about the Lahti, presented by Gun Jesus.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/Y9qHv_XE​AZg]

Gun Jesus preaches further on how anti-tank rifles were (mostly not) used as sniper rifles:

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/mf7MezhQ​6pw]


Yep.

He's mentioned it in other videos too.
 
2020-04-24 1:08:56 PM  

dittybopper: Flappyhead: 006andahalf: Also, the articles linked at the bottom of TFA are bananas.

A couple of years back I picked up an outdoorsman/hunting magazine in a waiting room.  About 1/3 of the articles were fearmongering "Mah gunz!!!" type.

I'm not all that old, and here is a list of just the federal laws enacted in my lifetime:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Cont​rol_Act_of_1968
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_​Crime_Control_and_Safe_Streets_Act_of_​1968
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_​Owners_Protection_Act (Mostly positive but froze the machine gun registry)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undetect​able_Firearms_Act
1989 Executive order banning assault weapons imports
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Free​_School_Zones_Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Ha​ndgun_Violence_Prevention_Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_​Assault_Weapons_Ban (sunset in 2004)

That's bad enough.  It doesn't include proposed laws, nor state and local laws including out-and-out bans on handguns (since overturned by the Supreme Court).

Hell, I've got a perfect example of why so-called "common sense gun control" is feared by gun owners, even those without any actual interest in "assault weapons".  My first gun, which my parents bought for me when i was a young tween/teen was a Marlin-Glenfield Model 25A bolt-action .22 LR rifle.  This isn't my rifle, but it's the same make and model:

[taysauctions.com image 850x566]

It's banned in New York City because the magazine holds more than 5 rounds (it holds 7 rounds):

[cdn0.thetruthaboutguns.com image 537x615]

This despite the fact that it's a manually operated (you have to manipulate the bolt for each shot) and in .22 Long Rifle

I'm willing to bet you had no farkin' idea.

Of course you don't, because it doesn't affect you in any way.   But it would affect me if I lived in NYC, and it would affect me if some people get their way either in my state, or nationally.

And yet you are baffled at the reaction of gun owners to any additional regulations?

*REALLY*?


Oh shut up.
 
2020-04-24 1:11:24 PM  

nyan9mm: rikkards: Sensei Can You See: My stepson and I were at Dragonman's range in Colorado Springs a few years ago, and they had a guy there that weekend with a Barrett M82 .50 cal, the rifle that shows up in Hurt Locker and a bunch of other movies (although this one wasn't a semi-auto).*

He was charging $10 a round to shoot it, so my stepson and I both did. There were two pretty big surprises for me:

The recoil and noise was far milder than I expected. My 30.06 sounds louder and kicks harder.

But that was only if you were the one shooting it. When I shot it I saw dust and leaves and stuff flying all around, so when my stepson's turn came up I thought it would be safer to stand about 10 feet off to the side and about 10 feet back from the muzzle.

When he pulled the trigger, the world came to an end. The blast was so damned loud it felt like being punched in the chest, and it whipped up dirt and sand and crap that stung like bees when it hit.

That explained why the guy who owned the rifle crouched down right behind whoever was shooting.

You can see a for more violent blast in the video starting at about 1:25. If you've seen the end of Saving Private Ryan when the .20mm shows up, it shows why the people it hit disintegrated into pink clouds of blood and guts

(you may already know this) The lack of recoil is related to why you felt the blast which is the muzzle brake, it forces the gas to go sideways and up to reduce muzzle rise and keep the barrel level.

I have one on an AR that is obnoxious. Enough so people think it running a 30 cal bullet.

That is exactly why, in the end, I couldn't bring myself to build anything around the 10" barrel or less mark. They seem to look cool, but that's it. My 13.7 that's pinned to 16 and my 18" SPR both sound about the same, which I wasn't expecting, but the pistol and sbr builds I've shot just weren't that enjoyable. They do look cool but...


I do have a 10.5" with a brake as well that I use for 2gun and it has a shield on it which keeps it more civilized and doesnt seem to affect the brake from doing its job.
 
2020-04-24 1:27:12 PM  
rikkards:

Got those sniper kills all mixed up.  #'s 2, 6, 9, 13, 15, and 17 (2 is Aussie, 15 Norwegian, rest American) were with Barretts, #'s 1, 4, and 5 with TAC-50s (all Canucki), #3 is the Brit with a .338 L115A3, and the rest are a mish-mash of whatever, including a caplock rifle and a heavy machinegun with a jury-rigged scope mount.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest​_​recorded_sniper_kills
 
2020-04-24 1:36:25 PM  

Kalashinator: rikkards:

Got those sniper kills all mixed up.  #'s 2, 6, 9, 13, 15, and 17 (2 is Aussie, 15 Norwegian, rest American) were with Barretts, #'s 1, 4, and 5 with TAC-50s (all Canucki), #3 is the Brit with a .338 L115A3, and the rest are a mish-mash of whatever, including a caplock rifle and a heavy machinegun with a jury-rigged scope mount.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_​recorded_sniper_kills


Right! I didnt realize there was a change between #3 and 1, I will be surprised if #1 ever changes.
 
2020-04-24 1:55:36 PM  

Flappyhead: Oh shut up.


"I can't disagree with what you said, so I want you to stop saying it because it invalidates everything I said".

Thank you for admitting you lost.
 
2020-04-24 1:58:38 PM  

rikkards: I do have a 10.5" with a brake as well that I use for 2gun and it has a shield on it which keeps it more civilized and doesnt seem to affect the brake from doing its job.


I have an 18" without a brake.  It's pretty farkin' uncivilized.

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2020-04-24 2:30:19 PM  
Want. Would be a good companion to my Lahti 9mm. Doubt my Trumpbux would be much more than a down payment.
The Finns came up with cool shiat back in the day. The KP-31, Saloranta M-26, along with the L-39 from the article. Not to mention what they did to the Mosin rifle. Turned a outdated POS rifle into one of the best military bolt action rifles made.
Really even today they still turn out some top notch military gear.
 
2020-04-24 2:43:22 PM  

cleofus: Want. Would be a good companion to my Lahti 9mm. Doubt my Trumpbux would be much more than a down payment.
The Finns came up with cool shiat back in the day. The KP-31, Saloranta M-26, along with the L-39 from the article. Not to mention what they did to the Mosin rifle. Turned a outdated POS rifle into one of the best military bolt action rifles made.
Really even today they still turn out some top notch military gear.


You can probably afford it.

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They were only $99.95 back in the 1960's.  That's only like $811.12 today, accounting for inflation.
 
2020-04-24 6:10:15 PM  
I need to find a time machine, stat! Last one I saw for sale was in the 10k territory. Then there's the wait on the stamp, and IIRC each round requires a tax stamp also.
 
2020-04-24 6:58:30 PM  
Any 20mm weapon is, technically, a light-artillery piece and is no longer an infantry small-arms piece. One should approach such a weapon with that in mind, and wear *really* good hearing protection and should not be anywhere near the muzzle when it is fired, as the muzzle blast of such a weapon is nothing to be sneered at (and while you could probably build a sound suppressor for a 20mm weapon, it would probably only last for a max of 5 rounds before the internal pressure upon the can from both the muzzle blast and the sound wave would rupture it, no matter how good you designed the baffles, unless you built the can out of stainless steel or titanium)
 
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