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2020-04-23 9:22:56 AM  
23 votes:
I've seen this several times though, and of all the ones I've seen, this is the worst one at the point it's trying to make.

1.  The photos aren't at the same time of year.
2.  The photos aren't the same perspective.
3.  I've seen blue skies in LA, I've seen the Mediterranean from Park Gaudi in Barcelona.

Yes, there have been dramatic changes in air quality and especially in India where you can see the Himalayas now from places where you haven't been able to from before.

But this is a pretty halfass job.
 
2020-04-23 9:22:36 AM  
18 votes:
The lack of pollution is great and I fully encourage us to continue the downward trend for a much better and cleaner future, but a couple of those before pictures kind of look like they were just taken on cloudy days.
 
2020-04-23 9:19:52 AM  
14 votes:

croesius: Any bets on how many people spout the "humans are the virus!" dreck in here?


Well when we say "save the Earth", we don't really mean it. What we actually mean is "save the ecosystem that allows humans to exist", we're selfish like that, but it still doesn't mean that money is more important than the environment since money doesn't exist without humans.
 
2020-04-23 9:22:30 AM  
11 votes:
See that report from Germany?  Less smog = record-setting solar plant outputs.

/but what if we build a better world for a reason that turns out not 100% correct?
 
2020-04-23 9:21:10 AM  
10 votes:

croesius: Any bets on how many people spout the "humans are the virus!" dreck in here?


Well, we are responsible for every environmental disaster. The Earth is an amazing set of self correcting processes that we try our best to fark up.
 
2020-04-23 9:19:43 AM  
10 votes:
Enjoy it while it lasts.  Because people aren't changing.

/Can see about twice as far through the Black Forest compared to normal.
 
2020-04-23 9:18:53 AM  
10 votes:

croesius: Any bets on how many people spout the "humans are the virus!" dreck in here?


We are...
 
2020-04-23 9:22:51 AM  
9 votes:
Some of those are clearly taken on a cloudy winter day. It is nice though that we have lowered the amount of crap we're spewing into the atmosphere.

I've been breathing easier if it wasn't pollen season.

//Been playing the is it allergies or covid game.
 
2020-04-23 9:18:03 AM  
7 votes:
Republicans assured me there was nothing we could do about it.
 
2020-04-23 9:17:42 AM  
6 votes:
This really just goes to show that humans are the virus!
 
2020-04-23 10:06:35 AM  
5 votes:
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2020-04-23 9:30:42 AM  
5 votes:

Catsaregreen: Albert911emt: No pollution means no capitalism, which means more socialism, which means things are better for people at the bottom, and slightly less better for people at the top, and that's just plain, old-fashioned communism!!1!!11

Yes, I'm enjoying this socialism right now. I've gone from making $5,000 or $6,000 a month to less than $2,000. And since I'm still working, I get no government help (I'm self-employed). Also, I've owed/pre-paid federal taxes the past few years so it'll be months before I see any sort of socialist check that will eventually bankrupt the U.S. and/or slam us with Zimbabwe-like inflation rates.

BTW, I'm sure the skies were clearer during the Black Plague - so what's your point? Should we go back to those good ol' days?


Sounds like your bootstraps aren't strong enough, Mr. Self Employed.

I'm sorry to hear that you probably don't qualify for your Obamaphone or Obamacare either because you make so much money.
 
2020-04-23 9:27:32 AM  
5 votes:

croesius: ColonelCathcart: croesius: Any bets on how many people spout the "humans are the virus!" dreck in here?

We are...

https://wearyourvoicemag.com/humans-ar​e-not-the-virus-eco-fascist/


Ya. Okay.

You tell me how we *arent* the virus when many of us are making many more than 2.2 children, driving F350s, burning down amazon and other forests to sell wood for pennies to China, fracturing the earth to extract the last drop of oil, burning coal and stripping mountains, and being horrible farking people in general when we are in large numbers.
 
2020-04-23 9:32:10 AM  
4 votes:
It would have been better if more of the before and after pictures were framed the same, especially with the slider.
 
2020-04-23 9:31:57 AM  
4 votes:
I'm not disputing that there's less pollution, because there most certainly is less pollution during the lockdown. However, some of those pics look like they might have been taken to make pollution look worse in the before pics and better in the after. Consider the LA photos. It looks like the before pic was shot from further away using a telephoto lens while the after pic was taken with a wider angle lens much closer to the city. The only way to photographically demonstrate a visible reduction in smog is to take the before and after pics from the same vantage point using a lens with the same focal length. It also makes sense to take the picture under similar weather conditions at the same time of year, same time of day, and same day of the week so that you don't make the air look cleaner by taking a picture on a sunny Sunday morning or dirtier by taking it on an overcast weekday afternoon.
 
2020-04-23 9:20:36 AM  
3 votes:
No pollution means no capitalism, which means more socialism, which means things are better for people at the bottom, and slightly less better for people at the top, and that's just plain, old-fashioned communism!!1!!11
 
2020-04-23 9:03:33 AM  
3 votes:
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2020-04-23 1:08:09 PM  
2 votes:

BafflerMeal: Enjoy it while it lasts.  Because people aren't changing.

/Can see about twice as far through the Black Forest compared to normal.


It might if my employer is any indication.  The lower utility bills, janitorial supply bills, snack costs, it's getting their attention.  The work goes on, but the costs have been pushed into the homes of the workers.

I can easily see the argument being made to force employees to work from home, especially if the company is only leasing real estate.  Shrink the home office down to a reception area and one conference room and make everyone double or triple up if they think about coming in.

You don't get a raise, but the gas and maintenance costs you are saving on your vehicle can go towards you paying the extra utilities bills at your home.
 
2020-04-23 10:11:30 AM  
2 votes:
While I do not doubt that pollution is way, way down, and that it's a great thing, I farking hate the pretense that you can just show two pictures of a location and pretend it's a meaningful demonstration of a change.

Although I have to admit that there may besomething to it when I look at my own backyard.  I live in the suburbs of a major American city and when I look at photos of "Before" and "After" I definitely can see a difference:

BEFORE THE VIRUS

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AFTER THE VIRUS

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You can't argue with that!
 
2020-04-23 9:57:31 AM  
2 votes:
dkulprit:

You're anecdotal data =/= actuality.  Sure they have had good days in the past, but that doesn't mean overall they AREN'T doing better.

Well, I didn't say that.  In fact, I said they are doing better.  You're railing against a position I didn't take.  I just said that this particular article is halfass work.
 
2020-04-23 9:51:46 AM  
2 votes:
A week or so ago, someone posted a picture on r/chicago of the city seen from New Buffalo MI. They claimed that with reduced pollution, you could now see Chicago from across the lake.

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While I'm certain other cities have dramatic improvements, Chicago really doesn't have much of a smog problem in the first place. And that picture the person posted technically wasn't of chicago. It was a picture of a phenomenon where the sun reflects in a way that casts the illusion of the skyline. The curvature of the earth doesn't allow you to see the actual city from that far. And this phenomenon actually happens several times a year.

Anyway, don't be so sure that all of these improvements are exactly what they seem.
 
2020-04-23 9:48:04 AM  
2 votes:
Kind of misleading pics.
Putting sunny days against cloudy days and saying "Wow, look, no pollution!"
 
2020-04-23 9:38:51 AM  
2 votes:

croesius: Any bets on how many people spout the "humans are the virus!" dreck in here?


Fark handle checks out.
 
2020-04-23 9:36:58 AM  
2 votes:

ColonelCathcart: croesius: ColonelCathcart: croesius: Any bets on how many people spout the "humans are the virus!" dreck in here?

We are...

https://wearyourvoicemag.com/humans-ar​e-not-the-virus-eco-fascist/

Ya. Okay.

You tell me how we *arent* the virus when many of us are making many more than 2.2 children, driving F350s, burning down amazon and other forests to sell wood for pennies to China, fracturing the earth to extract the last drop of oil, burning coal and stripping mountains, and being horrible farking people in general when we are in large numbers.


That sounds more like corporate greed than humanity itself. But, what do you propose as a "cure" for humans?

Who gets the "cure" first?
 
2020-04-23 9:35:54 AM  
2 votes:
What kind of second rate blog with misleading pictures is this?

CBS?

OK. Carry on.

/yes I am sure Earf is feeling a bit better these days.
 
2020-04-23 9:27:51 AM  
2 votes:

Albert911emt: No pollution means no capitalism, which means more socialism, which means things are better for people at the bottom, and slightly less better for people at the top, and that's just plain, old-fashioned communism!!1!!11


Yes, I'm enjoying this socialism right now. I've gone from making $5,000 or $6,000 a month to less than $2,000. And since I'm still working, I get no government help (I'm self-employed). Also, I've owed/pre-paid federal taxes the past few years so it'll be months before I see any sort of socialist check that will eventually bankrupt the U.S. and/or slam us with Zimbabwe-like inflation rates.

BTW, I'm sure the skies were clearer during the Black Plague - so what's your point? Should we go back to those good ol' days?
 
2020-04-23 9:27:49 AM  
2 votes:
While I have no doubt that pollution is lower and that particulate matter from exhaust and what not is way, way down... I rather a continuum of these pictures everyday, from the same spot.  Instead of showcasing undoubtedly cherry picked very bad shots with the best current shot, show what a difference smog and pollution controls have every single farking day.  Otherwise we'll get jackasses in saying that Jakarta had a bad weather system that day and you really need to look at the week before.  See, nobody needs catalytic converters, its just fake news.   Beside battery packs are the real polluters.
 
2020-04-23 9:21:05 AM  
2 votes:

ColonelCathcart: croesius: Any bets on how many people spout the "humans are the virus!" dreck in here?

We are...


https://wearyourvoicemag.com/humans-a​r​e-not-the-virus-eco-fascist/
 
2020-04-23 9:20:33 AM  
2 votes:
The Moscow one seems a bit dubious, as they were all wearing masks. Could there have been a large fire or perhaps secret nuclear meltdown?
 
2020-04-23 4:37:45 PM  
1 vote:

ColonelCathcart: Catsaregreen: Albert911emt: No pollution means no capitalism, which means more socialism, which means things are better for people at the bottom, and slightly less better for people at the top, and that's just plain, old-fashioned communism!!1!!11

Yes, I'm enjoying this socialism right now. I've gone from making $5,000 or $6,000 a month to less than $2,000. And since I'm still working, I get no government help (I'm self-employed). Also, I've owed/pre-paid federal taxes the past few years so it'll be months before I see any sort of socialist check that will eventually bankrupt the U.S. and/or slam us with Zimbabwe-like inflation rates.

BTW, I'm sure the skies were clearer during the Black Plague - so what's your point? Should we go back to those good ol' days?

Sounds like your bootstraps aren't strong enough, Mr. Self Employed.

I'm sorry to hear that you probably don't qualify for your Obamaphone or Obamacare either because you make so much money.


You used to live a 4-5 thousand dollar lifestyle. Now you live off of $2000 a month?

Me and my disabled sister combined make 2100 a month. Don't sweat it tho. I'm still working. I'm a janitor, and happen to support essential personnel. I mask and glove up everyday. I need my money. I used my stimulus to pay bills, and then stocked up my house with groceries from delivery. I can't afford to get sick. I'm 51years old.

You can live off $2000 a month. It isn't easy, but you can. My house used to be my dad's, and I still pay mortgage, but we refinanced under my twins credit and got a crazy great rate.

I get SNAP benefits, which is Medicaid and $86 dollars a month in food stamps. My sister, who makes $13 dollars over the limit in disability payments, gets $16 a month. Sometimes I gotta call my twin, who is a nurse, and also still working, to help us out. She pays my cell phone and car insurance. She's my best friend, and has always been more generous to me than I deserve.

So here's what the financial experts tell me to do to "stretch" my money. Keep your electricity bill low. Get rid of cabl. Stop eating out, don't go to the movies or clubs very often. Don't drink or smoke, (although my gummy edibles treat my PTSD.)

Cut down on driving so much. Go to work, come home. Get used to not being able to water your lawn. And pray you have a sibling like mine, who just poured $3000 towards repairs to fix my 2007 HHR.

i have have an undergrad in Mass Comm by the way. I have a master's in Communication. Yes I got them at brick and mortar schools. I worked 11 years in my field. I've had my undergrad since 1991. I also suffer from PTSD.

Our healthcare system sucks. Our safety net is inadequate. In times of need, we should be able to turn to social services for help. But we can't rely on it. Not even in desperate times like this, even though this is what it was made for.

You never know when you're gonna need your government to step in and help you. It's funny how life works that way sometimes. Buck up honey. You will survive.

Now start clipping those coupons.
 
2020-04-23 3:44:56 PM  
1 vote:

ColonelCathcart: croesius: ColonelCathcart: croesius: Any bets on how many people spout the "humans are the virus!" dreck in here?

We are...

https://wearyourvoicemag.com/humans-ar​e-not-the-virus-eco-fascist/

Ya. Okay.

You tell me how we *arent* the virus when many of us are making many more than 2.2 children, driving F350s, burning down amazon and other forests to sell wood for pennies to China, fracturing the earth to extract the last drop of oil, burning coal and stripping mountains, and being horrible farking people in general when we are in large numbers.


Honey I get your anger, but why are you such a misanthrope? You're a human being too, and honey, that lump of metal and plastic you're using to type your responses isn't among the most environmentally friendly things to make.

Eat vegan, wear only responsibly harvested cotton clothes, and ride your bike to work all day, but by merely existing, you are contributing to the problem. Your couch, your sheets, your t.v., the cup you drink out of, the medicine you take for anxiety, all that involves some process that extracts materials and minerals of the earth. and it's never been pretty or neat. We used to do the same shiat here. We still do it. We just exported the dirtier and overseas. You know, the shiat that actually harms the environment? So we still get what we want. We just don't get to dirty our own water as much.

We need to do better. We need to reduce our carbon footprint. But applauding the rapid demise of humanity just because you can "hear the earth silently crying," doesn't make you hyper aware, and connected to the deeper truths of the universe. It makes you sound like a whiny, misanthropic asshole with very few friends.

Get drunk, get on Tinder, and find you someone who will give until it physically hurts you. You'll feel better. It might even make you a more positive person.
 
2020-04-23 11:59:12 AM  
1 vote:
Before and after pics only really work if taken from same location.
 
2020-04-23 10:43:34 AM  
1 vote:

ColonelCathcart: You tell me how we *arent* the virus



Agent Smith's little spiel aside, we don't share that many characteristics with viruses.

We're much more analogous to bacteria.
 
2020-04-23 10:19:21 AM  
1 vote:

Kolg8: Any chance pictures that are a) from the same location, and b) taken at the same time of year, and c) at the same time of day, could be used to make these examples arguably credible?


Even that wouldn't work because how clear skies are is based on weather conditions also.
This picture of Los Angeles was taken when everything was open a year or two ago:
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2020-04-23 10:03:47 AM  
1 vote:
Any chance pictures that are a) from the same location, and b) taken at the same time of year, and c) at the same time of day, could be used to make these examples arguably credible?
 
2020-04-23 9:50:08 AM  
1 vote:

Rapmaster2000: I've seen this several times though, and of all the ones I've seen, this is the worst one at the point it's trying to make.

1.  The photos aren't at the same time of year.
2.  The photos aren't the same perspective.
3.  I've seen blue skies in LA, I've seen the Mediterranean from Park Gaudi in Barcelona.

Yes, there have been dramatic changes in air quality and especially in India where you can see the Himalayas now from places where you haven't been able to from before.

But this is a pretty halfass job.


This all the way. I can't believe Farkers are actually buying this article. You could literally have taken those photos on any day of the year and got the same results on both sides. Yes its been good for the planet but don't take those photos as gospel truth.
 
2020-04-23 9:43:02 AM  
1 vote:
some of those look like standard issue fog
 
2020-04-23 9:42:41 AM  
1 vote:
humans are the virus
 
2020-04-23 9:40:12 AM  
1 vote:

WhiskeySticks: ColonelCathcart: croesius: Any bets on how many people spout the "humans are the virus!" dreck in here?

We are...

Well, except for the white christians, at least that's why this guy outside the gun store told me.


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2020-04-23 9:39:34 AM  
1 vote:

wingnut396: While I have no doubt that pollution is lower and that particulate matter from exhaust and what not is way, way down... I rather a continuum of these pictures everyday, from the same spot.  Instead of showcasing undoubtedly cherry picked very bad shots with the best current shot, show what a difference smog and pollution controls have every single farking day.  Otherwise we'll get jackasses in saying that Jakarta had a bad weather system that day and you really need to look at the week before.  See, nobody needs catalytic converters, its just fake news.   Beside battery packs are the real polluters.


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2020-04-23 9:36:57 AM  
1 vote:
But how are we supposed to enjoy the beauty stuck inside? I really want to take a flight there and take a taxi to see it. We all should go travel to see how pretty it is without all the pollution before all the travel makes a bunch of pollution.
 
2020-04-23 9:31:14 AM  
1 vote:
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2020-04-23 9:24:53 AM  
1 vote:

DarkSoulNoHope: croesius: Any bets on how many people spout the "humans are the virus!" dreck in here?

Well when we say "save the Earth", we don't really mean it. What we actually mean is "save the ecosystem that allows humans to exist", we're selfish like that, but it still doesn't mean that money is more important than the environment since money doesn't exist without humans.


^
Minus a large catastrophic even like the sun exploding and destroying the earth completely the earth will be around for long after we're gone.  It will be fine.  It may take millenials after we're gone to heal itself, but it will.
 
2020-04-23 9:21:29 AM  
1 vote:

BafflerMeal: Enjoy it while it lasts.  Because people aren't changing.

/Can see about twice as far through the Black Forest compared to normal.


I can only imagine what it would look like from the top of Skyline Drive or Mount Washington right now. But I can't, because Skyline's closed and MW is probably still iced over.
 
2020-04-23 9:19:14 AM  
1 vote:
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Reduced carbon emissions and raised O2 levels worldwide in his lifetime.
 
2020-04-23 9:13:51 AM  
1 vote:
Any bets on how many people spout the "humans are the virus!" dreck in here?
 
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