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2020-04-23 9:03:33 AM  
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2020-04-23 9:13:51 AM  
Any bets on how many people spout the "humans are the virus!" dreck in here?
 
2020-04-23 9:17:42 AM  
This really just goes to show that humans are the virus!
 
2020-04-23 9:18:03 AM  
Republicans assured me there was nothing we could do about it.
 
2020-04-23 9:18:53 AM  

croesius: Any bets on how many people spout the "humans are the virus!" dreck in here?


We are...
 
2020-04-23 9:19:14 AM  
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Reduced carbon emissions and raised O2 levels worldwide in his lifetime.
 
2020-04-23 9:19:43 AM  
Enjoy it while it lasts.  Because people aren't changing.

/Can see about twice as far through the Black Forest compared to normal.
 
2020-04-23 9:19:52 AM  

croesius: Any bets on how many people spout the "humans are the virus!" dreck in here?


Well when we say "save the Earth", we don't really mean it. What we actually mean is "save the ecosystem that allows humans to exist", we're selfish like that, but it still doesn't mean that money is more important than the environment since money doesn't exist without humans.
 
2020-04-23 9:20:33 AM  
The Moscow one seems a bit dubious, as they were all wearing masks. Could there have been a large fire or perhaps secret nuclear meltdown?
 
2020-04-23 9:20:36 AM  
No pollution means no capitalism, which means more socialism, which means things are better for people at the bottom, and slightly less better for people at the top, and that's just plain, old-fashioned communism!!1!!11
 
2020-04-23 9:21:05 AM  

ColonelCathcart: croesius: Any bets on how many people spout the "humans are the virus!" dreck in here?

We are...


https://wearyourvoicemag.com/humans-a​r​e-not-the-virus-eco-fascist/
 
2020-04-23 9:21:10 AM  

croesius: Any bets on how many people spout the "humans are the virus!" dreck in here?


Well, we are responsible for every environmental disaster. The Earth is an amazing set of self correcting processes that we try our best to fark up.
 
2020-04-23 9:21:29 AM  

BafflerMeal: Enjoy it while it lasts.  Because people aren't changing.

/Can see about twice as far through the Black Forest compared to normal.


I can only imagine what it would look like from the top of Skyline Drive or Mount Washington right now. But I can't, because Skyline's closed and MW is probably still iced over.
 
2020-04-23 9:22:30 AM  
See that report from Germany?  Less smog = record-setting solar plant outputs.

/but what if we build a better world for a reason that turns out not 100% correct?
 
2020-04-23 9:22:36 AM  
The lack of pollution is great and I fully encourage us to continue the downward trend for a much better and cleaner future, but a couple of those before pictures kind of look like they were just taken on cloudy days.
 
2020-04-23 9:22:51 AM  
Some of those are clearly taken on a cloudy winter day. It is nice though that we have lowered the amount of crap we're spewing into the atmosphere.

I've been breathing easier if it wasn't pollen season.

//Been playing the is it allergies or covid game.
 
2020-04-23 9:22:56 AM  
I've seen this several times though, and of all the ones I've seen, this is the worst one at the point it's trying to make.

1.  The photos aren't at the same time of year.
2.  The photos aren't the same perspective.
3.  I've seen blue skies in LA, I've seen the Mediterranean from Park Gaudi in Barcelona.

Yes, there have been dramatic changes in air quality and especially in India where you can see the Himalayas now from places where you haven't been able to from before.

But this is a pretty halfass job.
 
2020-04-23 9:24:53 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: croesius: Any bets on how many people spout the "humans are the virus!" dreck in here?

Well when we say "save the Earth", we don't really mean it. What we actually mean is "save the ecosystem that allows humans to exist", we're selfish like that, but it still doesn't mean that money is more important than the environment since money doesn't exist without humans.


^
Minus a large catastrophic even like the sun exploding and destroying the earth completely the earth will be around for long after we're gone.  It will be fine.  It may take millenials after we're gone to heal itself, but it will.
 
2020-04-23 9:27:32 AM  

croesius: ColonelCathcart: croesius: Any bets on how many people spout the "humans are the virus!" dreck in here?

We are...

https://wearyourvoicemag.com/humans-ar​e-not-the-virus-eco-fascist/


Ya. Okay.

You tell me how we *arent* the virus when many of us are making many more than 2.2 children, driving F350s, burning down amazon and other forests to sell wood for pennies to China, fracturing the earth to extract the last drop of oil, burning coal and stripping mountains, and being horrible farking people in general when we are in large numbers.
 
2020-04-23 9:27:49 AM  
While I have no doubt that pollution is lower and that particulate matter from exhaust and what not is way, way down... I rather a continuum of these pictures everyday, from the same spot.  Instead of showcasing undoubtedly cherry picked very bad shots with the best current shot, show what a difference smog and pollution controls have every single farking day.  Otherwise we'll get jackasses in saying that Jakarta had a bad weather system that day and you really need to look at the week before.  See, nobody needs catalytic converters, its just fake news.   Beside battery packs are the real polluters.
 
2020-04-23 9:27:51 AM  

Albert911emt: No pollution means no capitalism, which means more socialism, which means things are better for people at the bottom, and slightly less better for people at the top, and that's just plain, old-fashioned communism!!1!!11


Yes, I'm enjoying this socialism right now. I've gone from making $5,000 or $6,000 a month to less than $2,000. And since I'm still working, I get no government help (I'm self-employed). Also, I've owed/pre-paid federal taxes the past few years so it'll be months before I see any sort of socialist check that will eventually bankrupt the U.S. and/or slam us with Zimbabwe-like inflation rates.

BTW, I'm sure the skies were clearer during the Black Plague - so what's your point? Should we go back to those good ol' days?
 
2020-04-23 9:30:42 AM  

Catsaregreen: Albert911emt: No pollution means no capitalism, which means more socialism, which means things are better for people at the bottom, and slightly less better for people at the top, and that's just plain, old-fashioned communism!!1!!11

Yes, I'm enjoying this socialism right now. I've gone from making $5,000 or $6,000 a month to less than $2,000. And since I'm still working, I get no government help (I'm self-employed). Also, I've owed/pre-paid federal taxes the past few years so it'll be months before I see any sort of socialist check that will eventually bankrupt the U.S. and/or slam us with Zimbabwe-like inflation rates.

BTW, I'm sure the skies were clearer during the Black Plague - so what's your point? Should we go back to those good ol' days?


Sounds like your bootstraps aren't strong enough, Mr. Self Employed.

I'm sorry to hear that you probably don't qualify for your Obamaphone or Obamacare either because you make so much money.
 
2020-04-23 9:31:14 AM  
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2020-04-23 9:31:57 AM  
I'm not disputing that there's less pollution, because there most certainly is less pollution during the lockdown. However, some of those pics look like they might have been taken to make pollution look worse in the before pics and better in the after. Consider the LA photos. It looks like the before pic was shot from further away using a telephoto lens while the after pic was taken with a wider angle lens much closer to the city. The only way to photographically demonstrate a visible reduction in smog is to take the before and after pics from the same vantage point using a lens with the same focal length. It also makes sense to take the picture under similar weather conditions at the same time of year, same time of day, and same day of the week so that you don't make the air look cleaner by taking a picture on a sunny Sunday morning or dirtier by taking it on an overcast weekday afternoon.
 
2020-04-23 9:32:10 AM  
It would have been better if more of the before and after pictures were framed the same, especially with the slider.
 
2020-04-23 9:35:54 AM  
What kind of second rate blog with misleading pictures is this?

CBS?

OK. Carry on.

/yes I am sure Earf is feeling a bit better these days.
 
2020-04-23 9:36:57 AM  
But how are we supposed to enjoy the beauty stuck inside? I really want to take a flight there and take a taxi to see it. We all should go travel to see how pretty it is without all the pollution before all the travel makes a bunch of pollution.
 
2020-04-23 9:36:58 AM  

ColonelCathcart: croesius: ColonelCathcart: croesius: Any bets on how many people spout the "humans are the virus!" dreck in here?

We are...

https://wearyourvoicemag.com/humans-ar​e-not-the-virus-eco-fascist/

Ya. Okay.

You tell me how we *arent* the virus when many of us are making many more than 2.2 children, driving F350s, burning down amazon and other forests to sell wood for pennies to China, fracturing the earth to extract the last drop of oil, burning coal and stripping mountains, and being horrible farking people in general when we are in large numbers.


That sounds more like corporate greed than humanity itself. But, what do you propose as a "cure" for humans?

Who gets the "cure" first?
 
2020-04-23 9:38:04 AM  

ColonelCathcart: croesius: Any bets on how many people spout the "humans are the virus!" dreck in here?

We are...


Well, except for the white christians, at least that's why this guy outside the gun store told me.
 
2020-04-23 9:38:51 AM  

croesius: Any bets on how many people spout the "humans are the virus!" dreck in here?


Fark handle checks out.
 
2020-04-23 9:38:52 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I've seen this several times though, and of all the ones I've seen, this is the worst one at the point it's trying to make.

1.  The photos aren't at the same time of year.
2.  The photos aren't the same perspective.
3.  I've seen blue skies in LA, I've seen the Mediterranean from Park Gaudi in Barcelona.

Yes, there have been dramatic changes in air quality and especially in India where you can see the Himalayas now from places where you haven't been able to from before.

But this is a pretty halfass job.


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Man, totally misrepresenting the truth! They're just cherry picking the pictures to make it look like air levels aren't better.

No where did my hat made of metal go?

You're anecdotal data =/= actuality.  Sure they have had good days in the past, but that doesn't mean overall they AREN'T doing better.
 
2020-04-23 9:39:34 AM  

wingnut396: While I have no doubt that pollution is lower and that particulate matter from exhaust and what not is way, way down... I rather a continuum of these pictures everyday, from the same spot.  Instead of showcasing undoubtedly cherry picked very bad shots with the best current shot, show what a difference smog and pollution controls have every single farking day.  Otherwise we'll get jackasses in saying that Jakarta had a bad weather system that day and you really need to look at the week before.  See, nobody needs catalytic converters, its just fake news.   Beside battery packs are the real polluters.


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2020-04-23 9:40:12 AM  

WhiskeySticks: ColonelCathcart: croesius: Any bets on how many people spout the "humans are the virus!" dreck in here?

We are...

Well, except for the white christians, at least that's why this guy outside the gun store told me.


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2020-04-23 9:41:16 AM  

ColonelCathcart: You tell me how we *arent* the virus when many of us are making many more than 2.2 children, driving F350s, burning down amazon and other forests to sell wood for pennies to China, fracturing the earth to extract the last drop of oil, burning coal and stripping mountains, and being horrible farking people in general when we are in large numbers.


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2020-04-23 9:42:35 AM  
Less driving, better cities.
 
2020-04-23 9:42:41 AM  
humans are the virus
 
2020-04-23 9:43:02 AM  
some of those look like standard issue fog
 
2020-04-23 9:43:39 AM  

FriarReb98: BafflerMeal: Enjoy it while it lasts.  Because people aren't changing.

/Can see about twice as far through the Black Forest compared to normal.

I can only imagine what it would look like from the top of Skyline Drive or Mount Washington right now. But I can't, because Skyline's closed and MW is probably still iced over.


I'd be curious to see what the Smokies look like right about now.  A lot of the haziness comes from the forest itself, but human pollution certainly has made it much worse.
 
2020-04-23 9:48:04 AM  
Kind of misleading pics.
Putting sunny days against cloudy days and saying "Wow, look, no pollution!"
 
2020-04-23 9:49:20 AM  

Gyro the Greek Sandwich Pirate: The lack of pollution is great and I fully encourage us to continue the downward trend for a much better and cleaner future, but a couple of those before pictures kind of look like they were just taken on cloudy days.


I have noticed that the night sky is clearer - Venus looked like a farking spotlight the other night - but I agree that the photos they used are not the best examples. The "before" pics are generally long-lens flattened images, which are looking through a shiat-ton of atmosphere, while the "after" pics look more like cell phone pics.
 
2020-04-23 9:50:08 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I've seen this several times though, and of all the ones I've seen, this is the worst one at the point it's trying to make.

1.  The photos aren't at the same time of year.
2.  The photos aren't the same perspective.
3.  I've seen blue skies in LA, I've seen the Mediterranean from Park Gaudi in Barcelona.

Yes, there have been dramatic changes in air quality and especially in India where you can see the Himalayas now from places where you haven't been able to from before.

But this is a pretty halfass job.


This all the way. I can't believe Farkers are actually buying this article. You could literally have taken those photos on any day of the year and got the same results on both sides. Yes its been good for the planet but don't take those photos as gospel truth.
 
2020-04-23 9:51:46 AM  
A week or so ago, someone posted a picture on r/chicago of the city seen from New Buffalo MI. They claimed that with reduced pollution, you could now see Chicago from across the lake.

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While I'm certain other cities have dramatic improvements, Chicago really doesn't have much of a smog problem in the first place. And that picture the person posted technically wasn't of chicago. It was a picture of a phenomenon where the sun reflects in a way that casts the illusion of the skyline. The curvature of the earth doesn't allow you to see the actual city from that far. And this phenomenon actually happens several times a year.

Anyway, don't be so sure that all of these improvements are exactly what they seem.
 
2020-04-23 9:57:31 AM  
dkulprit:

You're anecdotal data =/= actuality.  Sure they have had good days in the past, but that doesn't mean overall they AREN'T doing better.

Well, I didn't say that.  In fact, I said they are doing better.  You're railing against a position I didn't take.  I just said that this particular article is halfass work.
 
2020-04-23 10:03:47 AM  
Any chance pictures that are a) from the same location, and b) taken at the same time of year, and c) at the same time of day, could be used to make these examples arguably credible?
 
2020-04-23 10:06:35 AM  
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2020-04-23 10:11:30 AM  
While I do not doubt that pollution is way, way down, and that it's a great thing, I farking hate the pretense that you can just show two pictures of a location and pretend it's a meaningful demonstration of a change.

Although I have to admit that there may besomething to it when I look at my own backyard.  I live in the suburbs of a major American city and when I look at photos of "Before" and "After" I definitely can see a difference:

BEFORE THE VIRUS

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AFTER THE VIRUS

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You can't argue with that!
 
2020-04-23 10:13:50 AM  

croesius: Any bets on how many people spout the "humans are the virus!" dreck in here?


Found the first one!
 
2020-04-23 10:19:21 AM  

Kolg8: Any chance pictures that are a) from the same location, and b) taken at the same time of year, and c) at the same time of day, could be used to make these examples arguably credible?


Even that wouldn't work because how clear skies are is based on weather conditions also.
This picture of Los Angeles was taken when everything was open a year or two ago:
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2020-04-23 10:24:42 AM  

Walker: Kolg8: Any chance pictures that are a) from the same location, and b) taken at the same time of year, and c) at the same time of day, could be used to make these examples arguably credible?

Even that wouldn't work because how clear skies are is based on weather conditions also.
This picture of Los Angeles was taken when everything was open a year or two ago:
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Yeah, sometimes it can be really nice.  Not the norm of course.

I recall the first time I noticed a really nice day, I was driving toward the beach down Wilshire.  At one point I had to do a double take in the rear view mirror because something weird was in there.  Turns out, that was the first time I had ever been able to see the mountains on the horizon behind me.
 
2020-04-23 10:26:27 AM  

croesius: ColonelCathcart: croesius: ColonelCathcart: croesius: Any bets on how many people spout the "humans are the virus!" dreck in here?

We are...

https://wearyourvoicemag.com/humans-ar​e-not-the-virus-eco-fascist/

Ya. Okay.

You tell me how we *arent* the virus when many of us are making many more than 2.2 children, driving F350s, burning down amazon and other forests to sell wood for pennies to China, fracturing the earth to extract the last drop of oil, burning coal and stripping mountains, and being horrible farking people in general when we are in large numbers.

That sounds more like corporate greed than humanity itself. But, what do you propose as a "cure" for humans?

Who gets the "cure" first?


Just a random 50% of the world population
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