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2020-04-15 9:04:44 AM  
And aside from March Madness, nothing of value was lost.
 
2020-04-15 9:06:23 AM  
Don't exaggerate subby. The end of college sports will be when the players earn a salary. They should generate all that revenue from the goodness of their heart. Just like all those coaches do when they don't take a salary and coach college teams for the glory and honor and prestige.
 
2020-04-15 9:07:55 AM  
Willing to bet on that? The NCAA will be exploiting athletes in the fall, same as it ever was.
 
2020-04-15 9:36:29 AM  
More like the end of the farce that 350 schools were considered division one in the first place.
 
2020-04-15 9:47:52 AM  
The NBA and NFL should just set up a legitimate minor league system, so those kids can just skip the pretense of attending college and earn their salaries honestly like baseball and hockey players do.
 
2020-04-15 10:07:59 AM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: And aside from March Madness, nothing of value was lost.


I don't care about it, but the college world series is pretty huge in some parts of the country.
 
2020-04-15 10:09:16 AM  

puckrock2000: The NBA and NFL should just set up a legitimate minor league system, so those kids can just skip the pretense of attending college and earn their salaries honestly like baseball and hockey players do.


Michigan just lost out on a 5 star who decided to go to Europe instead of being a 1 and done.  I don't know why more elite prospects don't do that.  I can make money or I can make money for someone else while doing the exact same job.  Hmmmm...
 
2020-04-15 10:15:42 AM  

LL316: Straight Outta Wells Branch: And aside from March Madness, nothing of value was lost.

I don't care about it, but the college world series is pretty huge in some parts of the country.


As is the Frozen Four.
 
2020-04-15 10:21:28 AM  
basically they are laying the groundwork for eliminating all college sports except football and men's and women's basketball
 
2020-04-15 10:34:06 AM  
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2020-04-15 10:45:29 AM  

LL316: Michigan just lost out on a 5 star who decided to go to Europe instead of being a 1 and done.  I don't know why more elite prospects don't do that.  I can make money or I can make money for someone else while doing the exact same job.  Hmmmm...


The idea of moving across an ocean and being away from home for that long in a strange country can be a pretty daunting one for most kids, especially those who have spent most of their lives in their own silo like most phenom young athletes.

I was an above average student but otherwise had no real solid career ambitions when I was in high school that I was driving towards, so I had an open mind about anything. If you approached me at 17 with an offer upon my HS graduation to do damn near anything in Italy or Spain that paid real money for a year or two I would've finished packing a suitcase before I gave you a solid answer.
 
2020-04-15 11:25:49 AM  
Five major football conference commissioners have asked the NCAA to relax requirements to compete in Division I for four years, including the minimum number of sports a school must sponsor.

Mountain West commissioner Craig Thompson said this is not being done with the intention of eliminating sports programs. He said the request is about providing schools with the ability to find flexible and creative solutions.


Right. We don't want to eliminate sports, we just simply want to reduce most of them to "club level" activities that we don't have to spend money on. (Also read: "We want an excuse to reduce our Title IX threshold")

Once every two years on a rolling basis, average at least 15,000 in actual or paid attendance for all home football games. This requirement applies only to FBS schools.

This is actually reasonable to ignore for at least the next year; I don't know how many people are going to want to pack a stadium right away after everything. Best give a 1-2 year pass on attendance levels for pretty much any sport, but especially football (and basketball, if it has one).

Play minimum numbers of total games and home games in sports such as baseball, football and basketball and minimum percentage of games against Division I or FBS competition in various sports.

This sounds more like a "let's throw this in with everything else as something we can remove during negotiations" tactic than an actual serious request. Because, otherwise, it reads as "We want to spend the next few years beating up on local engineering and private colleges, rather than face anything resembling real competition".
 
2020-04-15 11:40:56 AM  
University of Cincinnati already killed men's soccer.  Lots of schools, especially non-P5 schools, will be cutting programs left and right.
 
2020-04-15 11:48:38 AM  
As a guy who does some work for non-revenue D1 sports and some D3 schools, I mourn this more than some of you.

Yes, there's a whole lot wrong with revenue sports. But the kids that are going to fall victim are the ones in the more-participatory ones.

No one at the D3 schools I work with has any designs on anything other than going pro or ever making money. It's almost glorified intramurals. It's fun and good camaraderie for those kids.

And the D1 soccer players? Same thing. Plus, what a lot of people don't know is that most kids who play non-revenue D1 sports aren't on full rides. Soccer, for instance. can only give out 9.9 scholarships per team, so most teams divide them up pretty equally. . Most of those kids are still paying for a healthy amount of their schooling.

But yeah, gotta save the golden goose, so now these kids lose out. Stinks.
 
2020-04-15 11:55:18 AM  
If ever there was a machine that needed to be burned to the ground and rebuilt from scratch
 
2020-04-15 12:23:13 PM  

Pfighting Polish: As a guy who does some work for non-revenue D1 sports and some D3 schools, I mourn this more than some of you.

Yes, there's a whole lot wrong with revenue sports. But the kids that are going to fall victim are the ones in the more-participatory ones.

No one at the D3 schools I work with has any designs on anything other than going pro or ever making money. It's almost glorified intramurals. It's fun and good camaraderie for those kids.

And the D1 soccer players? Same thing. Plus, what a lot of people don't know is that most kids who play non-revenue D1 sports aren't on full rides. Soccer, for instance. can only give out 9.9 scholarships per team, so most teams divide them up pretty equally. . Most of those kids are still paying for a healthy amount of their schooling.

But yeah, gotta save the golden goose, so now these kids lose out. Stinks.


Sad, because next week, the NCAA was supposed to vote to expand the soccer season to a full school year so it would no longer be the black hole in a player's career.

Shame it probably won't happen now.
 
2020-04-15 2:23:19 PM  

JJRRutgers: University of Cincinnati already killed men's soccer.


We were so close, we were right there. Right on the edge of soccer finally becoming America's sport. It really sucks having to continually push that timeline back. :(
 
2020-04-15 3:02:33 PM  

puckrock2000: LL316: Straight Outta Wells Branch: And aside from March Madness, nothing of value was lost.

I don't care about it, but the college world series is pretty huge in some parts of the country.

As is the Frozen Four.


Kinda bummed I wanted to see if Penn state's team make it a bit further in the tournament.
 
2020-04-15 3:17:58 PM  

WoodyHayes: JJRRutgers: University of Cincinnati already killed men's soccer.

We were so close, we were right there. Right on the edge of soccer finally becoming America's sport. It really sucks having to continually push that timeline back. :(


I agree, constantly hearing the apocalypse is rescheduled gets old.
 
2020-04-15 3:54:31 PM  
The request was made on behalf of all 350 Division I schools.

Is there an extra zero added on there? This has to include the Eastern Michigan Reserve University of Kansas.
 
2020-04-15 5:40:56 PM  

jayphat: The request was made on behalf of all 350 Division I schools.

Is there an extra zero added on there? This has to include the Eastern Michigan Reserve University of Kansas.


No, but it does include the Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs and the University of the Incarnate Word Cardinals.
 
2020-04-15 5:41:50 PM  

Joe_diGriz: (Also read: "We want an excuse to reduce our Title IX threshold")


If there are even cuts, I don't see a problem.

frankly it's been a long time coming. Too many schools have too many athletic programs they don't need, and the athletes don't need.
 
2020-04-15 5:46:53 PM  

Joe_diGriz: This sounds more like a "let's throw this in with everything else as something we can remove during negotiations" tactic than an actual serious request. Because, otherwise, it reads as "We want to spend the next few years beating up on local engineering and private colleges, rather than face anything resembling real competition".


This is also an anticipated necessity.

We have way too many schools flying around the country when they don't need to do so. A loooot of money is spent, and now that we have a disease that seems to like spreading on commercial planes, we might be finding ourselves in a time when travel options will be limited.

There's no reason we can't keep things regional and let the big tournaments be the main national competition. The only sport where this doesn't work is football, but there's no reason not to expand the playoff. Assuming we get out of this.
 
2020-04-15 7:00:56 PM  

puffy999: Joe_diGriz: This sounds more like a "let's throw this in with everything else as something we can remove during negotiations" tactic than an actual serious request. Because, otherwise, it reads as "We want to spend the next few years beating up on local engineering and private colleges, rather than face anything resembling real competition".

This is also an anticipated necessity.

We have way too many schools flying around the country when they don't need to do so. A loooot of money is spent, and now that we have a disease that seems to like spreading on commercial planes, we might be finding ourselves in a time when travel options will be limited.

There's no reason we can't keep things regional and let the big tournaments be the main national competition. The only sport where this doesn't work is football, but there's no reason not to expand the playoff. Assuming we get out of this.


It works just fine for football, too.

No one NEEDS a playoff. It's just that it's free money at the expense of all the athletes, and they generally enjoy it even without getting paid.

/who cares who wins the title? There's no memorable arguments or interesting stories with the playoff.
//The years all blend together now, but everyone remembers '97 or '03 or '04
///In fairness, maybe it's because the college football playoff is "Who wins between the SEC, Clemson, and tOSU? Occasionally we'll throw Oklahoma or Oregon into the first round to get waxed, too."
 
2020-04-16 3:11:18 AM  

IAmRight: No one NEEDS a playoff


No, but the NCAA needs a payoff.

And big national football games are one of the things that draw a lot of eyes and $$.

Even for men's and women's basketball, regular season matchups are mostly a pride thing and generally don't matter in the ratings.
 
2020-04-16 7:43:46 PM  

IAmRight: In fairness, maybe it's because the college football playoff is "Who wins between the SEC, Clemson, and tOSU? Occasionally we'll throw Oklahoma or Oregon into the first round to get waxed, too."


Not their fault the PAC12 sucks out loud.
 
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