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2020-04-14 10:52:36 AM  
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2020-04-14 10:59:31 AM  
I don't get the fascination. They tried to make her the next Obama by giving her the slot to respond to a State of the Union. It didn't measure up. She has no national profile. She lost her election in Georgia. If nominating her actually put Georgia in play it might be a good move but I don't see it.

The question for the VP is, which State turns blue if that person is the VP?

On that front, I think there's a case to be made for Val Demings. Take Florida and Trump has no chance.

Florida polls was polling about even between Biden and Trump with a slight advantage to Biden --- before the pandemic hit. Now, people all throughout Florida are finding that they can't even manage to apply for unemployment because of the purposefully kludgy system put in place by Scott. They are turning very sour on the GOP.

Moreover, if Demings pushes that to about 5 or 6 pt. advantage of Biden, the rest of the GOP will have to face that Trump has no hope. There's a bunch of people who are only putting up with his more extreme behavior because he won and they wanted him to win again. They'll be rats jumping ship when that bubble bursts.
 
2020-04-14 11:03:34 AM  
I would love for her to be VP. Put her in charge of voter rights. She'd kick butt.

Also Subby, take your plus 1, and go home ya heathen.
 
2020-04-14 11:28:36 AM  
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2020-04-14 1:38:58 PM  

wademh: Val Demings


I was only marginally aware of Demmings, I wouldn't say she has a national profile but if she's popular enough in Florida then I would support that.

Warren has the profile and has the progressive cred to shore up the Left flank. Yeah Mass. is a given for the Dems but she might inspire enough turnout from the otherwise suppressed progressives.

I agree that Abrams doesn't have the profile and I don't think that she adds anything on presence either. If we're checking identity politics boxes I'd prefer Harris.
 
2020-04-14 2:17:05 PM  
America needs Susan Rice.
 
2020-04-14 2:17:22 PM  

wademh: She lost her election in Georgia.


She didn't lose.  She had it stolen from her.
 
2020-04-14 2:18:54 PM  
sniff test

lol
 
2020-04-14 2:18:58 PM  

FarkFerkel: Warren has the profile and has the progressive cred to shore up the Left flank. Yeah Mass. is a given for the Dems but she might inspire enough turnout from the otherwise suppressed progressives.


She has been declared a neolib by her daring to question dear leader, she won't be an olive branch to those people.  Also, Biden is a geriatric, he needs a non geriatric VP.
 
2020-04-14 2:19:05 PM  

wademh: I don't get the fascination. They tried to make her the next Obama by giving her the slot to respond to a State of the Union. It didn't measure up. She has no national profile. She lost her election in Georgia. If nominating her actually put Georgia in play it might be a good move but I don't see it.

The question for the VP is, which State turns blue if that person is the VP?

On that front, I think there's a case to be made for Val Demings. Take Florida and Trump has no chance.

Florida polls was polling about even between Biden and Trump with a slight advantage to Biden --- before the pandemic hit. Now, people all throughout Florida are finding that they can't even manage to apply for unemployment because of the purposefully kludgy system put in place by Scott. They are turning very sour on the GOP.

Moreover, if Demings pushes that to about 5 or 6 pt. advantage of Biden, the rest of the GOP will have to face that Trump has no hope. There's a bunch of people who are only putting up with his more extreme behavior because he won and they wanted him to win again. They'll be rats jumping ship when that bubble bursts.


Ok see I kind of hear you about abrams, but on Val, I have been a political junkie for like 15 years and I literally don't know who she is. She had sure as hell be the most popular politician since Lincoln in Florida if her national profile is that weak.
 
2020-04-14 2:19:10 PM  
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2020-04-14 2:19:41 PM  

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Hardly. They were running against a very popular incumbent and a pretty lusty looking economy, 5 months after the LA Olympics where, with the Soviet Boycott in place, the "USA-USA-USA" dominated on home soil. That's not 2020.
 
2020-04-14 2:21:11 PM  
Why Joe should tap Stacey Abrams as his VP, assuming she passes his sniff test


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2020-04-14 2:21:13 PM  

wademh: I don't get the fascination. They tried to make her the next Obama by giving her the slot to respond to a State of the Union. It didn't measure up. She has no national profile. She lost her election in Georgia. If nominating her actually put Georgia in play it might be a good move but I don't see it.

The question for the VP is, which State turns blue if that person is the VP?

On that front, I think there's a case to be made for Val Demings. Take Florida and Trump has no chance.

Florida polls was polling about even between Biden and Trump with a slight advantage to Biden --- before the pandemic hit. Now, people all throughout Florida are finding that they can't even manage to apply for unemployment because of the purposefully kludgy system put in place by Scott. They are turning very sour on the GOP.

Moreover, if Demings pushes that to about 5 or 6 pt. advantage of Biden, the rest of the GOP will have to face that Trump has no hope. There's a bunch of people who are only putting up with his more extreme behavior because he won and they wanted him to win again. They'll be rats jumping ship when that bubble bursts.


Who? ....did you read the article? Lots of arguments in favour of her nationally.
 
2020-04-14 2:22:11 PM  
Unlikely at best, but I like Katie Porter. Kamala is more likely if Joe goes to California.
Val and Stacey don't capture voters Joe wouldn't already get.

Joe's commitment to picking a woman may prove to be double-edged by halving his options, but who knows?
 
2020-04-14 2:22:13 PM  

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Gross, you have poop on your sweatshirt.
 
2020-04-14 2:22:16 PM  
Joe Biden is already the preferred Democrat among African Americans. But she'd do a good job, is super smart, and wouldn't take away from the Senate like Harris or Warren or Sanders.
 
2020-04-14 2:22:40 PM  
Biden should pick a veep like a Republican would: To heal a schism in the party and gain the support of a faction.

Who would that be? Well, pick a schism.
 
2020-04-14 2:22:51 PM  

wademh: slot


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2020-04-14 2:23:00 PM  

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I would love to "like" this post, but as a diehard Blackhawks' fan...

...oh, what the hell.
 
2020-04-14 2:23:19 PM  
I like her.  I voted for her for Governor.  But no.  Generally I couldn't care less who the VP pick, but in his case it's important.  He's old, and there's a virus going around that likes to kill old people.  Pick someone with more federal experience for VP, please.  I say the same about Whitmer, who I also like.
 
2020-04-14 2:23:37 PM  
She's not attractive in the traditional sense, which means Creepy Joe may actually be able to resist doing something stupid. Problem is, your average voter isn't going to like her either (shallow idiots that they are.)

Difficult trade-off; electability risk versus scandal risk.
 
2020-04-14 2:23:52 PM  

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2020-04-14 2:24:05 PM  
I want it to be Warren just because I think she's literally emasculate Pence if he got on stage with her. I know the right would spin it as "biatchy women yells at Christian man" but I would enjoy it.

If they want to get help in the Midwest (Michigan/Ohio/Minnesota/Wisconsin) they'll go with Kobalchar or Whitmer is the new hot name. Warren will be used if they need a more progressive angle and Abraham is picked if they want to drive the black vote.

The decision will be made by statisticians
 
2020-04-14 2:24:50 PM  

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I like the shirt too.

The one bright spot about this pandemic is the Blues get to keep the cup for one more year.
 
2020-04-14 2:25:10 PM  
Why can't he pick an asian woman?
 
2020-04-14 2:25:37 PM  

Ray_Finkle: I want it to be Warren just because I think she's literally emasculate Pence if he got on stage with her. I know the right would spin it as "biatchy women yells at Christian man" but I would enjoy it.

If they want to get help in the Midwest (Michigan/Ohio/Minnesota/Wisconsin) they'll go with Kobalchar or Whitmer is the new hot name. Warren will be used if they need a more progressive angle and Abraham is picked if they want to drive the black vote.

The decision will be made by statisticians


I would love and welcome a return to a presidency that made decisions based on the evidence of statistics and science
 
2020-04-14 2:26:04 PM  

Badmoodman: REDARMYVODKA: I have nothing to add, just wanted to show off the hat i got in the mail yesterday, from this thread:

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I would love to "like" this post, but as a diehard Blackhawks' fan...

...oh, what the hell.


I'm an all-Chicago fan with a particular distaste for St Louis, but he could be wearing a mashup of a Blues/Cardinals/Packers jersey and the hat would tru-- overpower them all.
 
2020-04-14 2:27:05 PM  

wademh: I don't get the fascination. They tried to make her the next Obama by giving her the slot to respond to a State of the Union. It didn't measure up. She has no national profile. She lost her election in Georgia. If nominating her actually put Georgia in play it might be a good move but I don't see it.

The question for the VP is, which State turns blue if that person is the VP?

On that front, I think there's a case to be made for Val Demings. Take Florida and Trump has no chance.

Florida polls was polling about even between Biden and Trump with a slight advantage to Biden --- before the pandemic hit. Now, people all throughout Florida are finding that they can't even manage to apply for unemployment because of the purposefully kludgy system put in place by Scott. They are turning very sour on the GOP.

Moreover, if Demings pushes that to about 5 or 6 pt. advantage of Biden, the rest of the GOP will have to face that Trump has no hope. There's a bunch of people who are only putting up with his more extreme behavior because he won and they wanted him to win again. They'll be rats jumping ship when that bubble bursts.


I too am perplexed by the Abrams fascination. It seems like virtue signaling more than anything else. Yeah she got cheated out of an election in georgia but other than that what does she offer? No one credibly thinks georgia is in play this year, especially not with someone who at best got about 50% of the vote in a statewide election. Joe doesnt struggle with black voters, and he doesnt appear to struggle with female voters. Abrams might have been a good pick for someone like Sanders or Buttigeg, but she seems like a pretty poor choice for Biden who either needs to turn a purple state blue (MI, WI, FL, AZ), shore up support from fiscal conservatives who dont like trump (this didnt seem to work for Hildawg in 2016), or kindle enthusiasm from the left (like getting sanders endorsement and picking someone like EW [who for the record is an unlikely pick in my opinion])
 
2020-04-14 2:27:17 PM  
Abram has a <10% chance of being the Veep nominee, IMO.

Biden doesn't need her to deliver the black vote (which is also why Kamala Harris won't be a candidate for the job).

She isn't likely to deliver Georgia.

She's a strong supporter of M4A. You don't want someone who is the antithesis of the POTUS nominee's stance on such a high profile issue.

If he names a minority, its going to be a Latina to shore up support there.

My money is still on Whitmer. Because she can deliver a battleground state.
 
2020-04-14 2:27:26 PM  

Dels: Unlikely at best, but I like Katie Porter. Kamala is more likely if Joe goes to California.
Val and Stacey don't capture voters Joe wouldn't already get.

Joe's commitment to picking a woman may prove to be double-edged by halving his options, but who knows?


All the political science literature says that VP choice doesn't move the needle at all. The only consideration should be "will his person be a good president".
 
2020-04-14 2:27:42 PM  

lordjupiter: sniff test

lol


That is after he fingers her for the job
 
2020-04-14 2:27:47 PM  
The article doesn't mention his age which is IMO, his biggest weakness and something that his choice of VP will absolutely impact.

The odds that the VP would need to assume the office would be higher with Biden than recent Presidents. I don't get the impression that Abrams is ready to step in to the role.

I agree with. others that it should be someone with more federal / executive experience.
 
2020-04-14 2:28:32 PM  
Biden's path to victory isn't through young people, it's still through old people.  Low voter turnout is why Bernie is out.  I don't think he has to go super progressive with his VP.

I'd be shocked at this point if it's anyone other than Whitmer - a woman who is skyrocketing in popularity right now from a major state in a key region of the US that Trump barely won in 2016.
 
2020-04-14 2:28:53 PM  

Boondock3806: I'm an all-Chicago fan with a particular distaste for St Louis,


Even our pizza?

/had to
 
2020-04-14 2:29:22 PM  
The New York Times has found no evidence of this headline being hilarious, aside from the audible guffaw I just let out.
 
2020-04-14 2:29:23 PM  

Shaggy_C: She's not attractive in the traditional sense, which means Creepy Joe may actually be able to resist doing something stupid. Problem is, your average voter isn't going to like her either (shallow idiots that they are.)

Difficult trade-off; electability risk versus scandal risk.


Imagine unironically being this dumb...
 
2020-04-14 2:29:52 PM  
... what is it about Fark and wanting women to pass Joe Biden's sniff test.
 
2020-04-14 2:30:11 PM  

FarkFerkel: wademh: Val Demings

I was only marginally aware of Demmings, I wouldn't say she has a national profile but if she's popular enough in Florida then I would support that.

Warren has the profile and has the progressive cred to shore up the Left flank. Yeah Mass. is a given for the Dems but she might inspire enough turnout from the otherwise suppressed progressives.

I agree that Abrams doesn't have the profile and I don't think that she adds anything on presence either. If we're checking identity politics boxes I'd prefer Harris.


No way in hell does Warren even get considered.  There are only three seats right now that look to turn blue right now (AZ, CO and NC are the best chances to turn.)....Senate is a razor thin margin....but throwing Warren up as Senate Majority leader...oh you get a LOT more interest in flipping more seats.  (Doug Jones requires a miracle to keep his seat.  And even though Mcconnell seems hated by his own state...KY doesn't inspire me to think they've learned the lesson this man is poison.)  GA is currently farking up their GOP-led state, which Abrams on the ticket sure makes a Biden vote more attractive to many...but I like her more as a HUD secretary than Veep.

If you put FL in play....as a resident...I can tell you DeSantis and crew are NOT winning a lot of popularity contests (And a lot of my conservative relatives are shockingly pissed about the WWF thing.  'We can't get hand sanitizer but we can get wrestling?')  Between the way Trump handled Puerto Rico, the Unemployment system fark ups, and now COVID...Florida is sort of starting to realize that 'Gee...we maybe should start voting in our best interests.)  Granted...dipshiats in the central part and panhandle will certainly hold fast to their MAGA shiat...but statewide...actually living with the effects of these dipshiats seems to be affecting conservative Floridians in a way simple observable logic never did.  Demings on the ticket certainly gives Florida a very attractive voting option since the hit we are gonna take in tourism is going to be affecting this state in a harsh economic way.
 
2020-04-14 2:30:12 PM  
Interesting takeaways from this:

-After hearing "wHy DoESn'T SaNDErs AppeAL tO bLAcK PeOPle????," it turns out he does, just not to old black people, who are voting in solidarity with old whites to crush their children's dreams again.

-Latinos are the largest non-white voting bloc in America and apparently nobody bothers to collect polling data on who they do or don't like.

-I feel like the fact that people can write a piece saying "Oh yeah, we belong to the same think tank but she didn't tell me to write this so it's cool I'm here advertising her" and expect to be taken seriously is like a solid third to half of what's wrong with America.

-the fact that this entire article manages to go by without once mentioning what any of her actual positions are on anything or any of her prior accomplishments is the other half.
 
2020-04-14 2:30:53 PM  

REDARMYVODKA: I have nothing to add, just wanted to show off the hat i got in the mail yesterday, from this thread:

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2020-04-14 2:31:12 PM  

AsparagusFTW: I would love for her to be VP. Put her in charge of voter rights. She'd kick butt.

Also Subby, take your plus 1, and go home ya heathen.


Agreed
 
2020-04-14 2:31:43 PM  
PLEASE do not pick Warren for VP.

First - as pointed out - we don't want a ticket that is ONLY people over 65.

Second - Warren should be in the place where she can do the most good (or damage if you prefer :-) ):

... she should replace McConnell as Senate Majority Leader.   It would be the SWEETEST arrangement, to finally end the insanity in the Senate with her in charge there.  (I don't know what the machinations would have to be to make that actually happen - but can. you. imagine. what her leadership in the Senate would be like?  I get shivers - of the good kind - just thinking about it...)

/No, FisnotMPES - Brian Sims would play that role...
 
2020-04-14 2:31:46 PM  
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2020-04-14 2:32:33 PM  
The main reason I'm good with Harris is to get more Maya Rudolph. :)
 
2020-04-14 2:32:54 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Boondock3806: I'm an all-Chicago fan with a particular distaste for St Louis,

Even our pizza?

/had to


lol, I haven't had the pleasure yet, but whenever I'm in the area next, I have to give it a shot.

/most "bad" pizza is still good, just not as good
 
2020-04-14 2:32:54 PM  

Dels: Unlikely at best, but I like Katie Porter. Kamala is more likely if Joe goes to California.
Val and Stacey don't capture voters Joe wouldn't already get.

Joe's commitment to picking a woman may prove to be double-edged by halving his options, but who knows?


Kamala doesn't add voters either really and neither does Katie. Honestly they need to stay in California in their houses of Congress and raise hell like they are.  Still thinking its That Woman From Michigan or Abrams. Whitmer can shore up MI, PA for Biden and maybe get back Iowa. Abrams may help out in Georgia but Dems winning in GA is like saying they are going to turn Texas purple. Otherwise I see Abrams helping in Florida but that is a whole level of crazy down there.
 
2020-04-14 2:33:11 PM  

RasIanI: phygz: [lh3.googleusercontent.com image 512x391]

Hardly. They were running against a very popular incumbent and a pretty lusty looking economy, 5 months after the LA Olympics where, with the Soviet Boycott in place, the "USA-USA-USA" dominated on home soil. That's not 2020.


Shh! He might be reminded of McCain-Palin.

/ McCain almost redeemed himself before his passing. Almost.
 
2020-04-14 2:33:26 PM  

Shaggy_C: She's not attractive in the traditional sense, which means Creepy Joe may actually be able to resist doing something stupid.


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2020-04-14 2:34:46 PM  
Abrams is talented and represents what the Democrats are becoming.  Biden would then fill the roll of handing off to a new generation.  Also, I have no doubt she would wipe the floor with Pence in a debate.
 
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