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(ABC Action News)   Gov. DeSantis endorses hand sanitizer not approved by CDC for COVID-19. At this rate, he'll kill off so many constituents, FL GOP will have fewer members than Green Party   (abcactionnews.com) divider line
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2020-04-13 1:51:11 PM  
Considering DeSantis has made a policy that non residents and holiday makers deaths from covid-19 do not count, he is just planning on faking the count to keep the number of people his actions killed artificially low.
 
2020-04-13 1:54:31 PM  
If there are fewer republicans in Florida, good. Make more room for actual human beings.
 
2020-04-13 2:07:15 PM  
Remember folks, never interrupt the enemy when they are making a mistake.  Just sit over here, being socially distant, and tell them to stop.  Chances are very good, he'll start claiming that washing with Kool aid is effective, just to be contrary.
 
2020-04-13 2:13:04 PM  
Sarasota-based Durisan has billed its products as "the longest-lasting, water-based, alcohol-free hand sanitizer."

That's hand lotion, not a sanitizer
 
2020-04-13 2:28:26 PM  
Benzalkonium

Ah yes, on the periodic table.  Lanthinide series, I believe.
 
2020-04-13 2:51:02 PM  
When I-Team Investigator Kylie McGivern asked Alexandra Lin of Durisan whether the company is recommending people not follow CDC guidelines, Lin said, "Absolutely not."

"We're just explaining that we have a broader kill spectrum, so we kill more pathogens than your alcohol-based hand sanitizer, especially in the area of bacteria," Lin added
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And a virus is not a bacterium.
 
2020-04-13 3:05:16 PM  
The stupid, it burns.

He probably has a huge investment with them.
 
2020-04-13 3:06:05 PM  
Soap>hand sanitizer>Florida
 
2020-04-13 3:06:57 PM  
Desantis has COVID in 3...2....
 
2020-04-13 3:08:26 PM  
Florida.

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2020-04-13 3:08:33 PM  

Unobtanium: When I-Team Investigator Kylie McGivern asked Alexandra Lin of Durisan whether the company is recommending people not follow CDC guidelines, Lin said, "Absolutely not."

"We're just explaining that we have a broader kill spectrum, so we kill more pathogens than your alcohol-based hand sanitizer, especially in the area of bacteria," Lin added.

And a virus is not a bacterium.


According to Trump, it's just a smarter bacterium.
 
2020-04-13 3:09:00 PM  
Since this photo, any thoughts a sane person might have about following DeSantis's advice as to safe Covid-19 sanitation should be pretty well killed off.

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2020-04-13 3:11:50 PM  
Another self correcting problem ..
 
2020-04-13 3:13:30 PM  
Peesidential hand sanitizer, especially formulated for Florida.
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2020-04-13 3:14:34 PM  
So how much of a stake does he have in the company?
 
2020-04-13 3:14:35 PM  
Pretty sure BZK is ok at killing covid19. The shiat became popular during the SARS outbreak.
I think BZK has to stay wet for 5 or 10 mins to fully sterilize.
 
2020-04-13 3:15:33 PM  

Unobtanium: When I-Team Investigator Kylie McGivern asked Alexandra Lin of Durisan whether the company is recommending people not follow CDC guidelines, Lin said, "Absolutely not."

"We're just explaining that we have a broader kill spectrum, so we kill more pathogens than your alcohol-based hand sanitizer, especially in the area of bacteria," Lin added.

And a virus is not a bacterium.


You missed the part where they apparently think the CDC doesn't know about The effectiveness of Benzalkonium chloride, something that has been commonly used for decades.

Yes, if you don't have access to soap and water and cannot get alcohol based hand sanitizer, it is probably better than nothing until you get to wash your hands. But recommending it is idiotic.
 
2020-04-13 3:16:30 PM  

sdd2000: Since this photo, any thoughts a sane person might have about following DeSantis's advice as to safe Covid-19 sanitation should be pretty well killed off.

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Scary Movie Smell my fingers
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2020-04-13 3:18:29 PM  
Softens your hands while you stiggit to the libs.
 
2020-04-13 3:21:26 PM  
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2020-04-13 3:23:00 PM  

wood0366: According to Trump, it's just a smarter bacterium.


I wouldn't have a hard time believing that either are smarter than him.
 
2020-04-13 3:25:33 PM  
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His wife swears by Durisan...
 
2020-04-13 3:27:27 PM  
Dear god, this asshole makes George W. Bush look like a MENSA candidate.
 
2020-04-13 3:31:13 PM  
My local Walmart has shelves out in the middle of the isles full of this stuff. I could see why someone might think it is something that should be used.
 
2020-04-13 3:32:53 PM  
Subby, don't get my hopes up.
 
2020-04-13 3:33:52 PM  
Should your enemies decide to kill themselves, do not interfere.
 
2020-04-13 3:34:55 PM  
Isn't the Florida Green Party already a branch of the GOP?  You can see it right there in the initials:  GP just needs an "O" to be GOP.
 
2020-04-13 3:35:22 PM  
Republicans see the pandemic as an infomercial opportunity.
 
2020-04-13 3:38:54 PM  
Next week he'll be hiring voodoo witch doctors to banish the curse.
 
2020-04-13 3:48:11 PM  

GardenWeasel: Sarasota-based Durisan has billed its products as "the longest-lasting, water-based, alcohol-free hand sanitizer."

That's hand lotion, not a sanitizer


Alcohol is not particularly effective against this virus in any case.  Hand sanitizer, alcohol based or not, is giving people a false sense of security.  There is a particularly nasty form of hand sanitizer, I forget the name of the active ingredient but it is recommended that you rinse your hands after using it, that does kill Coronavirus, but it's pretty rare.
 
2020-04-13 3:53:06 PM  
I'm not a scientist but I'm not sure how effective this would be.
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2020-04-13 3:57:03 PM  

mrshowrules: I'm not a scientist but I'm not sure how effective this would be.
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The egg white proteins preferentially bind to surface glycosylated proteins on the viral capsid and thereby removes the virus from your hands, if used as directed.

Now you collect the checks, and I'll start the getaway banjo music.
 
2020-04-13 3:57:10 PM  
Trump brand?
 
2020-04-13 4:11:51 PM  
"These are the ones that we did. I think because these aren't what people look for and so Amazon was able to deliver these," the governor said.

This is exactly why I'll never apologize for calling conservatives stupid. Because they're farking stupid.

There's probably lots of things people "[didn't] look for" on Amazon when they decided to buy products to kill coronaviruses. If that was your metric, why didn't you buy bottled aloe vera juice? Or sandpaper? Or lawn chairs?

Farking idiot...
 
2020-04-13 4:17:34 PM  
This asshole has handled this so poorly there won't be many of us left alive to vote him out.
 
2020-04-13 4:18:49 PM  

flondrix: GardenWeasel: Sarasota-based Durisan has billed its products as "the longest-lasting, water-based, alcohol-free hand sanitizer."

That's hand lotion, not a sanitizer

Alcohol is not particularly effective against this virus in any case.  Hand sanitizer, alcohol based or not, is giving people a false sense of security.  There is a particularly nasty form of hand sanitizer, I forget the name of the active ingredient but it is recommended that you rinse your hands after using it, that does kill Coronavirus, but it's pretty rare.


The health agencies say that alcohol-based sanitizers are effective (e.g. CDC). Where are you getting your "not particularly effective" from?
 
2020-04-13 4:35:59 PM  
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2020-04-13 4:41:33 PM  
Sarasota-based Durisan has billed its products as "the longest-lasting, water-based, alcohol-free hand sanitizer."
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"These are the ones that we did. I think because these aren't what people look for and so Amazon was able to deliver these," the governor said. "So Durisan - I don't know where it comes from, but it's pretty good stuff."


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2020-04-13 4:52:44 PM  

Ivo Shandor: flondrix: GardenWeasel: Sarasota-based Durisan has billed its products as "the longest-lasting, water-based, alcohol-free hand sanitizer."

That's hand lotion, not a sanitizer

Alcohol is not particularly effective against this virus in any case.  Hand sanitizer, alcohol based or not, is giving people a false sense of security.  There is a particularly nasty form of hand sanitizer, I forget the name of the active ingredient but it is recommended that you rinse your hands after using it, that does kill Coronavirus, but it's pretty rare.

The health agencies say that alcohol-based sanitizers are effective (e.g. CDC). Where are you getting your "not particularly effective" from?


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His ass?

Both the WHO and CDC have said any sanitizer above 60% alcohol is recommended and effective (They take into consideration people's habits and practicality.  For example if 40% was effective but required a squirt the size of a shotglass to be effective, it wouldn't be worth recommending that for numerous reasons) .  Do I know exactly how alcohol works to kill it?  No.  Do I know how long it should be on there to be most effective? No.  But they both recommend it and they're very smart, so, I'm going to believe them.
 
2020-04-13 5:06:59 PM  

skozlaw: "These are the ones that we did. I think because these aren't what people look for and so Amazon was able to deliver these," the governor said.

This is exactly why I'll never apologize for calling conservatives stupid. Because they're farking stupid.

There's probably lots of things people "[didn't] look for" on Amazon when they decided to buy products to kill coronaviruses. If that was your metric, why didn't you buy bottled aloe vera juice? Or sandpaper? Or lawn chairs?

Farking idiot...


I was so proud of the crowd I normally am down on, Whole Foods shoppers. When I went there first week of March because everything shut down, they had a basket full of witch hazel near the register that hadn't been touched. When it comes down to it, they take science seriously.
 
2020-04-13 5:40:27 PM  

jake3988: Do I know exactly how alcohol works to kill it? No. Do I know how long it should be on there to be most effective? No. But they both recommend it and they're very smart, so, I'm going to believe them.


Here you go(since knowledge is power):

SARS-CoV-2 is what's known as an enveloped virus. Some viruses protect themselves with only a cage made of proteins. But as enveloped viruses leave cells they've infected, the viruses wrap themselves in a coat made of some of the cells' lipid-based walls as well as some of their own proteins. According to chemist Pall Thordarson of the University of New South Wales, the lipid bilayers that surround enveloped viruses like SARS-CoV-2 are held together by a combination of hydrogen bonds and hydrophobic interactions. Like the lipids protecting these microorganisms, alcohols have a polar and a nonpolar region, so "ethanol and other alcohols disrupt these supramolecular interactions, effectively 'dissolving' the lipid membranes," Thordarson says. However, he adds, you need a fairly high concentration of alcohol to rapidly break apart the organisms' protective coating-which is why the CDC recommends using hand sanitizers with at least 60% alcohol.

Hand sanitizers are usually isopropyl alcohol or ethyl alcohol based, and the EPA lists between 1 and 5 minutes contact time for products that solely have that as the active ingredient in sufficient concentration as it pertains to killing SARS-CoV-2
 
2020-04-13 6:07:03 PM  
I'm also suspicious of the N95 masks he is promoting.

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2020-04-13 6:09:58 PM  

Ivo Shandor: flondrix: GardenWeasel: Sarasota-based Durisan has billed its products as "the longest-lasting, water-based, alcohol-free hand sanitizer."

That's hand lotion, not a sanitizer

Alcohol is not particularly effective against this virus in any case.  Hand sanitizer, alcohol based or not, is giving people a false sense of security.  There is a particularly nasty form of hand sanitizer, I forget the name of the active ingredient but it is recommended that you rinse your hands after using it, that does kill Coronavirus, but it's pretty rare.

The health agencies say that alcohol-based sanitizers are effective (e.g. CDC). Where are you getting your "not particularly effective" from?


From the early days of the pandemic.  The news was saying that soap and water was much more effective than alcohol.
 
2020-04-13 6:12:08 PM  
So during a pandemic, the governor of our state is hawking snake oil?
 
2020-04-13 6:17:27 PM  
https://durisan.com/collections/all

They sell 550mL of the hand sanitizer for 17.99.  It's billed as "antimicrobial". Our governor is either a farking moron or on the take. Likely both.
 
2020-04-13 6:24:43 PM  

flondrix: Ivo Shandor: flondrix: GardenWeasel: Sarasota-based Durisan has billed its products as "the longest-lasting, water-based, alcohol-free hand sanitizer."

That's hand lotion, not a sanitizer

Alcohol is not particularly effective against this virus in any case.  Hand sanitizer, alcohol based or not, is giving people a false sense of security.  There is a particularly nasty form of hand sanitizer, I forget the name of the active ingredient but it is recommended that you rinse your hands after using it, that does kill Coronavirus, but it's pretty rare.

The health agencies say that alcohol-based sanitizers are effective (e.g. CDC). Where are you getting your "not particularly effective" from?

From the early days of the pandemic.  The news was saying that soap and water was much more effective than alcohol.


"Not as effective as the best option" doesn't exactly agree with "not particularly effective"

Yes you could come up with a definition of "particularly effective" and technically be right. But even that suggests that it isn't good enough.

Hand washing with soap and water is you best option. But, if that isn't available a 60% ethyl or 70% isopropyl alcohol sanitizer is effective if not as good.
 
2020-04-13 6:25:16 PM  

Unright: https://durisan.com/collections/all

They sell 550mL of the hand sanitizer for 17.99.  It's billed as "antimicrobial". Our governor is either a farking moron or on the take. Likely both.


Keeping the office consistent at least...
 
2020-04-13 6:28:47 PM  

Unright: https://durisan.com/collections/all

They sell 550mL of the hand sanitizer for 17.99.  It's billed as "antimicrobial". Our governor is either a farking moron or on the take. Likely both.


So all we have to do is wait for a virus to evolve into a bacteria. That should take like a month, at most.
 
2020-04-13 6:49:18 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Unright: https://durisan.com/collections/all

They sell 550mL of the hand sanitizer for 17.99.  It's billed as "antimicrobial". Our governor is either a farking moron or on the take. Likely both.

So all we have to do is wait for a virus to evolve into a bacteria. That should take like a month, at most.


The other day Trump was talking about using antibiotics on viruses, he knows nothing.
 
2020-04-13 7:28:35 PM  
I hate to defend a Republican. Especially a Floriduh one, but...


It's a Quaternary ammonium compound. 
Quaternary ammonium compounds have also been shown to have antimicrobial activity. Certain quaternary ammonium compounds, especially those containing long alkyl chains, are used as antimicrobials and disinfectants. Examples are benzalkonium chloride, ... Also good against fungi, amoebas, and enveloped viruses, quaternary ammonium compounds are believed to act by disrupting the cell membrane or viral envelope. Quaternary ammonium compounds are lethal to a wide variety of organisms except ... non-enveloped viruses.

Covid19 is an enveloped virus

From wikipedia


As mentioned briefly above, dwell time (how long you leave it on the target surface, such as your hands)is a factor.


CSB: Worked as a school custodian for a while. My fellow custodians mostly thought that dwell time was the time the solution was good for. ie: if it had a dwell time of 10 minutes, they'd only mix up what they could use in 10 minutes. If they didn't use it in 10 minutes, they'd dump it out. Most also immediately wiped the surfaces off after spraying with benzalkonium solution. Why yes, their bathrooms stank.
 
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