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(Mirror.co.uk)   Woman stays home three weeks to avoid danger. There's a knock at the door. You can imagine what happens next   (mirror.co.uk) divider line
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2020-04-13 12:00:07 PM  
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2020-04-13 12:24:54 PM  
Husband also went out shopping. If delivered packages might be contaminated, his package also might be contaminated.
 
2020-04-13 12:42:03 PM  
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2020-04-13 1:06:25 PM  
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Who's there.??  ---------    Hunger.....
 
2020-04-13 1:24:55 PM  
fixes the cable?
 
2020-04-13 1:32:34 PM  

KarmicDisaster: fixes the cable?


Yep, and now she gets to watch "Tiger King", hence the SCARY tag.
 
2020-04-13 1:33:18 PM  
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2020-04-13 1:34:34 PM  
Sounds as if she was doing everything 99% correct.
Bummer.
 
2020-04-13 1:34:48 PM  

KarmicDisaster: fixes the cable?


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2020-04-13 1:35:23 PM  

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Thread over.  Last person out, turn the lights off..
 
2020-04-13 1:36:31 PM  
OOPS...
 
2020-04-13 1:37:26 PM  
So I'm not paranoid to leave non-perishables in the basement for a week before touching them and cleaning perishables with Lysol wipes?

/yes, even lettuce
//no, not really
 
2020-04-13 1:39:05 PM  

WelldeadLink: Husband also went out shopping. If delivered packages might be contaminated, his package also might be contaminated.


Then one would think he'd be infected too, especially given his lengthier exposure.
 
2020-04-13 1:39:13 PM  
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2020-04-13 1:39:54 PM  
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2020-04-13 1:41:33 PM  

Bowen: So I'm not paranoid to leave non-perishables in the basement for a week before touching them and cleaning perishables with Lysol wipes?

/yes, even lettuce
//no, not really


I mist my veggies with peroxide and let them sit in the sink for at least 5 mins. before rinsing .. So I must be paranoid also ..
 
2020-04-13 1:41:35 PM  

WelldeadLink: Husband also went out shopping. If delivered packages might be contaminated, his package also might be contaminated.


Well you don't expect him to actually wash it or anything, do you?

/I thought it was supposed to smell like cheese
 
2020-04-13 1:42:30 PM  
Usually the coronavirus knocks twice.
 
2020-04-13 1:43:22 PM  
That is sad. So many farking idiots going out to the park and the beach and this woman stays at home doing the right thing.
However her husband still lives in the same house, I'm guessing they still have to use the same bathroom and the same kitchen  despite him living in a separate room right now.
I hope she makes a full recovery, i also hope she limits how many people come to the house. If you have an autoimmune illness 2 people coming into the house is 1 too many.
 
2020-04-13 1:43:53 PM  

mikalmd: So I must be paranoid also


Nope. Just cautious.
 
2020-04-13 1:47:31 PM  
Danger got the wrong address. It was looking for Miles Morale's place. Maybe also a mouse.
What's up, danger?
 
2020-04-13 1:47:42 PM  

Bowen: So I'm not paranoid to leave non-perishables in the basement for a week before touching them and cleaning perishables with Lysol wipes?

/yes, even lettuce
//no, not really


I wash my lettuce and other raw veggies with vinegar.

Then add some oil.

And then maybe some cheese.  And some black pepper.

Just to be sure.
 
2020-04-13 1:49:27 PM  
The amount of countermeasures needed to prevent this thing is truly excessive. You really need to handle anything from the outside as a biohazard, and place it in quarantine for a week. We don't do that. Probably should but we don't. Like someone said above she did everything 99% right but still got it. Of course her husband could have brought it home also. And unless you have a  full second apartment within your house, including a bath, kitchen, entry and laundry it is nearly impossible to quarantine an individual within a house without full-on biohazard treatments.
 
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2020-04-13 1:53:08 PM  

Bowen: So I'm not paranoid to leave non-perishables in the basement for a week before touching them and cleaning perishables with Lysol wipes?

/yes, even lettuce
//no, not really


Get a load of this asshole who can still find Lysol wipes to buy.

I'm reduced to spraying things with mega-proof ethyl alcohol because @&$ing supply chains and hoarders.

My face mask reeks of booze.  Sounds great, until you can't stop smelling it.
 
2020-04-13 1:53:43 PM  
She fixed the cable?
 
2020-04-13 1:55:52 PM  
Thinks she has the virus ≠ has the virus.
 
2020-04-13 1:56:04 PM  

bughunter: Bowen: So I'm not paranoid to leave non-perishables in the basement for a week before touching them and cleaning perishables with Lysol wipes?

/yes, even lettuce
//no, not really

I wash my lettuce and other raw veggies with vinegar.

Then add some oil.

And then maybe some cheese.  And some black pepper.

Just to be sure.


I drown the covid in ranch dressing. Nothing can survive that.
 
2020-04-13 1:56:19 PM  

SloppyFrenchKisser: Sounds as if she was doing everything 99% correct.
Bummer.


We are self-isolating, and have to for 12 weeks because Swine Flu came within a very close squeak of killing me and scarred my lungs. When a delivery is due, everything is transferred from the upstairs fridge (Fridge 2) to the downstairs fridge (Fridge 1). Our food is delivered (and our beer - priorities) and is left on the path by the delivery person. I bring it in while wearing disposable gloves and place the bags on the floor before I unpack them (still on the floor), then I collect all the bags and take them outside where they go into a box for a few days (they will eventually become pedal bin bags after they have served their quarantine period). All non-perishables (tins, boxes etc) are given a quick wipe down with a dilute bleach solution and left to air-dry, then it's time to remove the gloves. Freezer stuff is re-bagged and labelled, fresh produce goes in fridge 2 - NOTHING is used in there for a period of 3 days. Then I wash my hands thoroughly with soap and water, before giving the front door handle, fridge 2 door handle and the kitchen floor (and any work surface I or the food/beer has been in contact with) a wipe with bleach. Then I wash my hands again.

Any food we eat over the first 3 days after a delivery must come from Fridge 1.
 
2020-04-13 1:59:28 PM  

WelldeadLink: Husband also went out shopping. If delivered packages might be contaminated, his package also might be contaminated.


Umh, his package is being contaminated by which virus? And are we talking about the same package, if you know what I mean.
 
2020-04-13 2:01:34 PM  

Glorious Golden Ass: Thinks she has the virus ≠ has the virus.


She is sick and only had known contact with someone who tested positive.  Until we have enough tests so everyone who suspects they are sick can get tested whenever they suspect they have it that's about all we can do.  Right now, from what i gather, they are testing people in essential services to see if they need to go into quarantine but basically everyone else is being presumptively assumed to have it if they get sick with a certain set of symptoms.  It's either mild, and you get over it or you end up in the hospital.
 
2020-04-13 2:08:55 PM  
luckyeddie:
Any food we eat over the first 3 days after a delivery must come from Fridge 1.

Good system.  Has anyone seen data in what temps kill the virus?  Like, "this virus is killed at temps below xx and at temps above xx"?  Just curious if the fridge or freezer temps have any effect.
 
2020-04-13 2:09:50 PM  
Could be she all ready had it, takes a couple of weeks to show up, that's an aprox. time span (+/-).
I think that staying at home also protects people who do not know they have it. The article states that she 'may' have got it from the delivery person, how do they know that? This is yet another outrage article (YAOA). let's get self rightious kind of thing when actually the Sun is producing FUD about people who are out helping others (what sells the best), best to be careful, but who, knows maybe they left out the office prequaintien party over tea and biscuits swathed with orange marmalade made by 'Doty' down the street.
 
2020-04-13 2:10:13 PM  
Many miles away
There's a virus on the door
Of a cottage on the shore
Of a dark Scottish lake

Many miles awaaaayy...
 
2020-04-13 2:16:44 PM  

SloppyFrenchKisser: Sounds as if she was doing everything 99% correct.
Bummer.


I think as humans we're really bad at figuring out risk, and unfortunately stories like this are part of the problem.  The one person who got sick despite doing almost everything right makes the news, but the thousands of people who do everything right and don't get the virus won't make the papers.

You wouldn't want to read this article and come to the conclusion that being 99% right in doing things to avoid COVID-19 is no better than being 0% right.  That 1% mistake will end up exposing a tiny amount of people, whereas doing nothing to avoid it would cause an avalanche of infections within a week or two.
 
2020-04-13 2:17:11 PM  

cyberspacedout: Many miles away
There's a virus on the door
Of a cottage on the shore
Of a dark Scottish lake

Many miles awaaaayy...


It's got be an invisible virus,
Whoa oh oh oh oho...
 
2020-04-13 2:21:56 PM  
I read a few folks here are using Lysol wipes and or peroxide to wash their fruit and veggies.  1 good for you for being proactive but... 2 Lysol wipes are great for bacteria, less so for viruses.  There's just not a high enough content of bleach or peroxide.

Simple soap and water works.  Period.  Yes bleach and peroxide will also but for edibles that's over doing it.

Virus' are very susceptible to simple soap and warm water, rinse to drain or use a freshly washed cloth.

2 cents

\be well
 
2020-04-13 2:22:02 PM  

PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: Bowen: So I'm not paranoid to leave non-perishables in the basement for a week before touching them and cleaning perishables with Lysol wipes?

/yes, even lettuce
//no, not really

Get a load of this asshole who can still find Lysol wipes to buy.

I'm reduced to spraying things with mega-proof ethyl alcohol because @&$ing supply chains and hoarders.

My face mask reeks of booze.  Sounds great, until you can't stop smelling it.


Where are you finding alcohol to wipe things down with?!
 
2020-04-13 2:23:49 PM  
Sarah Connor?
 
2020-04-13 2:29:44 PM  
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2020-04-13 2:33:59 PM  

Bowen: So I'm not paranoid to leave non-perishables in the basement for a week before touching them and cleaning perishables with Lysol wipes?

/yes, even lettuce
//no, not really


A bleach solution is probably better than the wipes.

But nope, you're being prudent.

All my groceries get decontaminated or quarantined. As does my outdoor clothing, mail, and any surface touched by the front door.

Seems crazy, but I'm asthmatic and not interested in catching this.
 
2020-04-13 2:39:38 PM  

Spawn_of_Cthulhu: PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: Bowen: So I'm not paranoid to leave non-perishables in the basement for a week before touching them and cleaning perishables with Lysol wipes?

/yes, even lettuce
//no, not really

Get a load of this asshole who can still find Lysol wipes to buy.

I'm reduced to spraying things with mega-proof ethyl alcohol because @&$ing supply chains and hoarders.

My face mask reeks of booze.  Sounds great, until you can't stop smelling it.

Where are you finding alcohol to wipe things down with?!


A while ago i came into possession of several 1qt bottles of "banana ripener", which is used in produce warehouses to artificially accelerate ripening bananas by flooding an enclosed room with ethylene gas.. The ripener solution is 90% ethanol. I don't ripen bananas, but 90% ethanol has been useful for other purposes. Doesn't smell like liquor either.
 
2020-04-13 2:42:05 PM  

vinn01: luckyeddie:
Any food we eat over the first 3 days after a delivery must come from Fridge 1.

Good system.  Has anyone seen data in what temps kill the virus?  Like, "this virus is killed at temps below xx and at temps above xx"?  Just curious if the fridge or freezer temps have any effect.


https://www.who.int/csr/sars/survival​_​2003_05_04/en/

>56 C will kill it quick
 
2020-04-13 2:50:24 PM  

vinn01: luckyeddie:
Any food we eat over the first 3 days after a delivery must come from Fridge 1.

Good system.  Has anyone seen data in what temps kill the virus?  Like, "this virus is killed at temps below xx and at temps above xx"?  Just curious if the fridge or freezer temps have any effect.


Another good link: https://www.consumerlab.com/m/a​nswers/​heat-to-kill-coronavirus/heat-coronavi​rus/
 
2020-04-13 2:51:50 PM  

vinn01: luckyeddie:
Any food we eat over the first 3 days after a delivery must come from Fridge 1.

Good system.  Has anyone seen data in what temps kill the virus?  Like, "this virus is killed at temps below xx and at temps above xx"?  Just curious if the fridge or freezer temps have any effect.


From what I've read, cold preserves the virus longer, and the freezer will for months.
luckyeddie's 3 day fridge plan may not be sufficient.
 
2020-04-13 3:07:43 PM  

rockymountainrider: I read a few folks here are using Lysol wipes and or peroxide to wash their fruit and veggies.  1 good for you for being proactive but... 2 Lysol wipes are great for bacteria, less so for viruses.  There's just not a high enough content of bleach or peroxide.

Simple soap and water works.  Period.  Yes bleach and peroxide will also but for edibles that's over doing it.

Virus' are very susceptible to simple soap and warm water, rinse to drain or use a freshly washed cloth.

2 cents

\be well


I've read several articles lately quoting "experts" who advise against using soap on produce, as that can be toxic. (A YouTube vid that went viral had a doctor recommending soap and water on produce, so the experts are trying to counter that). I am skeptical that the amount you'd consume could be *that* bad for you, with normal care for washing off the soap. I guess for produce like apples that has a waxy coating that's hard to remove, soap might get bound up in the coating, but even then, I just can't imagine a little bit of soap being that toxic, or you'd have a lot more warnings to keep it away from kids, or about washing near your mouth, etc.
 
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2020-04-13 3:21:35 PM  

mikalmd: Bowen: So I'm not paranoid to leave non-perishables in the basement for a week before touching them and cleaning perishables with Lysol wipes?

/yes, even lettuce
//no, not really

I mist my veggies with peroxide and let them sit in the sink for at least 5 mins. before rinsing .. So I must be paranoid also ..


Non-perishables go in the garage for a couple days or longer, fruits and veggies sit "on the quarantine table" or go on the bottom shelf in the fridge for a couple days or longer, anything used sooner than a couple days gets wiped down.

Most of my veggies are frozen anyhow.
 
2020-04-13 3:59:42 PM  

vinn01: luckyeddie:
Any food we eat over the first 3 days after a delivery must come from Fridge 1.

Good system.  Has anyone seen data in what temps kill the virus?  Like, "this virus is killed at temps below xx and at temps above xx"?  Just curious if the fridge or freezer temps have any effect.


I don't think that cold temperatures will kill it. Not sure if anecdotal or not, but I did hear that even -20C didn't kill it. Heating it above 60C does though, so cooking food thoroughly will zap it. The fact (anecdotal or otherwise) that it remains viable at -20 is the reason we re-bag before freezing.

I'm quite new at this cooking game (I'm 67 but have only started cooking at home since I retired), but I have a background in Pharmacy (from way back, admittedly) and handling poisons, so I am a compulsive and frequent hand-washer.
 
2020-04-13 4:02:42 PM  

luckyeddie: SloppyFrenchKisser: Sounds as if she was doing everything 99% correct.
Bummer.

We are self-isolating, and have to for 12 weeks because Swine Flu came within a very close squeak of killing me and scarred my lungs. When a delivery is due, everything is transferred from the upstairs fridge (Fridge 2) to the downstairs fridge (Fridge 1). Our food is delivered (and our beer - priorities) and is left on the path by the delivery person. I bring it in while wearing disposable gloves and place the bags on the floor before I unpack them (still on the floor), then I collect all the bags and take them outside where they go into a box for a few days (they will eventually become pedal bin bags after they have served their quarantine period). All non-perishables (tins, boxes etc) are given a quick wipe down with a dilute bleach solution and left to air-dry, then it's time to remove the gloves. Freezer stuff is re-bagged and labelled, fresh produce goes in fridge 2 - NOTHING is used in there for a period of 3 days. Then I wash my hands thoroughly with soap and water, before giving the front door handle, fridge 2 door handle and the kitchen floor (and any work surface I or the food/beer has been in contact with) a wipe with bleach. Then I wash my hands again.

Any food we eat over the first 3 days after a delivery must come from Fridge 1.


I actually got a little giddy reading this. I'm doing much of this myself right now, and I did it to a slightly lesser extent all the time/in what's now feeling like The Long, Long Ago.

Pretty sure my wife used to think I was crazy but she gets it now.
 
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