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2020-04-13 8:39:17 AM  
Kilt thread?
 
2020-04-13 9:50:16 AM  

alechemist: Kilt thread?


Chad Huffington's rebellious brother Chase approves
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/obscure?
 
2020-04-13 12:21:56 PM  
The necktie and all its variations and bastard cousins can go away as well.  I don't need to protect my throat from a cavalry attack.
 
2020-04-13 12:22:03 PM  
I'm just glad I work in an industry where the very concept of a dress code is mocked.

/Technically I think we do have a dress code, and it's "Just don't wear anything to office that would get you arrested, because we don't want to have to spring for bail"
 
2020-04-13 12:23:34 PM  
All jorts, all the time...

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2020-04-13 12:23:43 PM  
We must think of the people who make $2,000 suits.
 
2020-04-13 12:25:30 PM  
There probably needs to be some level of dress code so people who shouldn't wear certain things don't wear those things.

Jeans and a shirt with a collar is easy and works for most places.
 
2020-04-13 12:29:34 PM  
Going into an office should never come back.  Most of our office jobs can be done at home with every bit of productivity (I'd actually argue more productivity) than if we were in our offices at work.  It's a waste of the company's money and my time and money to want me to go back after this is all over.
 
2020-04-13 12:30:43 PM  
There are many nice looking and comfortable cloths out there. Why do Men have to wear suits with ties and women have to wear dresses and high heels? Would it tear apart the fabric of time to wear... Dare I say it... Loafers? Would the Earth shake apart if we wear POLO SHIRTS (DUN, DUN, DUN!) Sweat pants and leggings go a bit far. Ripped jeans should be thrown in the rag pile. Tank tops should not be worn. If you can just have a happy medium things may get back to normal. I'm sorry to tell you all one thing. You will be expected to dress from shoulders to feet. That's right all you teleconferences we all know. You will have cover you bottoms. Sorry.
 
2020-04-13 12:31:32 PM  
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Used it last week; don't care. This scene makes me laugh all these years later
 
2020-04-13 12:31:59 PM  
The issue with no (or super relaxed) dress codes, is that some slob at your office (assuming we're ever back in office) is going to not only abuse it, but do so in a gross way.

Fat persons stomach visible
Blatant stains of clothes
Lack of basic hygiene
Holes in inappropriate places

And HR and the C-suite are going to decide that it's better to just have a blanket policy than handling these people as 1 off exceptions.
 
2020-04-13 12:32:41 PM  
NO YOGA PANTS.

The negatives outweigh the positives.
 
2020-04-13 12:33:06 PM  
Ties, keep 'em.

Just remember that you are in public to serve the public what ever wares that you peddle.

Now then, try to look well kept and presentable, not smelling of goat shiat, not like you do hungover on saturday morning after the orgy.

Other than that, whatever.
 
2020-04-13 12:34:42 PM  

UNC_Samurai: The necktie and all its variations and bastard cousins can go away as well.  I don't need to protect my throat from a cavalry attack.


Add the "dress jacket" (coat?) to that list. Ugly and useless.
 
2020-04-13 12:36:04 PM  
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Why does he wear a kilt when everyone else is pantsless?
 
2020-04-13 12:36:22 PM  

Animatronik: NO YOGA PANTS.

The negatives outweigh the positives.


No, yoga pants.
The great revealers.
 
2020-04-13 12:38:21 PM  
"If you want respect, you have to look respectable."


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2020-04-13 12:38:47 PM  
It's easy to say that you should wear whatever makes you feel comfortable. It's less easy to have your co-workers wear whatever they want.

Had a good friend whose office decided to relax the dress code. In the beggining it worked out fine - people came in with jeans and t-shirts for the most part. But after a few weeks they had a few people starting to show up in swimwear, pajamas and one person came to the office in his boxer briefs.  Another started wearing graphic t-shirts with obsceneties. The policy was soon revoked and they had to re-impose a dress code.

There's a few people in any office who take a relaxed dress code too far.
 
2020-04-13 12:41:46 PM  
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2020-04-13 12:50:10 PM  
Time for a work from home revolution.

We've now proven some jobs can be done remotely to companies that refused to let remote work happen.

Why should a huge portion of company expenses be for fancy real estate?  Visit the office once a week to prove you still own pants, and companies could spend the savings on mega yachts, executive bonuses, employee retirement plans, and employee healthcare.

Look at the current environmental impact of a the huge reduction in car emissions, might help the planet recover before its too late, for those that believe in global warming.
The miserable state of infrastructure could be managed better if commute traffic was reduced.All those things we're all getting done because we don't have commute time?Obviously manufacturing and service jobs can't be done from home, and some kinds of businesses will still require showrooms, but office workers could have a little bump in their salary to pay for faster web access.
 
2020-04-13 12:50:54 PM  
Fine....but I need to find pants like this first

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2020-04-13 12:55:08 PM  

maxandgrinch: Time for a work from home revolution.

We've now proven some jobs can be done remotely to companies that refused to let remote work happen.

Why should a huge portion of company expenses be for fancy real estate?  Visit the office once a week to prove you still own pants, and companies could spend the savings on mega yachts, executive bonuses, employee retirement plans, and employee healthcare.

Look at the current environmental impact of a the huge reduction in car emissions, might help the planet recover before its too late, for those that believe in global warming.
The miserable state of infrastructure could be managed better if commute traffic was reduced.All those things we're all getting done because we don't have commute time?Obviously manufacturing and service jobs can't be done from home, and some kinds of businesses will still require showrooms, but office workers could have a little bump in their salary to pay for faster web access.


Wife and I were talking about this yesterday. We both said that there is going to be a TON of commercial real estate coming up for sale in the upcoming years from companies seeing they don't need giant buildings to be productive. Some will downsize to a smaller building just to have a physical place of business for a few people but the sprawling campus is going to go away for a lot of companies. The loss of tax money from these buildings is going to kill states
 
2020-04-13 12:59:13 PM  

UNC_Samurai: The necktie and all its variations and bastard cousins can go away as well.  I don't need to protect my throat from a cavalry attack.


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2020-04-13 12:59:32 PM  

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If I weren't pasty, fat, and broke, I would totally buy a zoot suit and wear it to work once a week.
 
2020-04-13 1:03:34 PM  

lycanth: We must think of the people who make $2,000 suits.


The sweet spot for a suit is a list price of $800-$1500. When those go on sale, you're looking at $500-$1000.

At that price, you get a really well-made suit. Typically made in the USA, nice cloth, and a nice natural shoulder.  Budget in $20-$75 for alterations.

The difference between a quality suit and a Jos. A Banks or Men's Wearhouse suit is substantial. A really quality suit feels like you are wearing your most comfortable pajamas, but you look great.
 
2020-04-13 1:19:28 PM  

maxandgrinch: Time for a work from home revolution.

We've now proven some jobs can be done remotely to companies that refused to let remote work happen.

Why should a huge portion of company expenses be for fancy real estate?  Visit the office once a week to prove you still own pants, and companies could spend the savings on mega yachts, executive bonuses, employee retirement plans, and employee healthcare.

Look at the current environmental impact of a the huge reduction in car emissions, might help the planet recover before its too late, for those that believe in global warming.
The miserable state of infrastructure could be managed better if commute traffic was reduced.All those things we're all getting done because we don't have commute time?Obviously manufacturing and service jobs can't be done from home, and some kinds of businesses will still require showrooms, but office workers could have a little bump in their salary to pay for faster web access.


Not only that but companies are saving on electricity, equipment, telephone, internet, etc.  Shifting the costs of the job to the employee has lots of additional savings.  Furthermore by siloing employees you have less of a worry on employees organizing and potential save on sexual harassment and injury claims. It can be a win/win for the employer saving costs and employee if they enjoy the freedom to work from home.
 
2020-04-13 1:19:33 PM  
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2020-04-13 1:19:45 PM  

LL316: Going into an office should never come back.  Most of our office jobs can be done at home with every bit of productivity (I'd actually argue more productivity) than if we were in our offices at work.  It's a waste of the company's money and my time and money to want me to go back after this is all over.


Only a third of the jobs out there translate to WFH well and a I'd guess only a third of the people that would do them would do them more productively. So, I disagree.
 
2020-04-13 1:23:00 PM  

LL316: Going into an office should never come back.  Most of our office jobs can be done at home with every bit of productivity (I'd actually argue more productivity) than if we were in our offices at work.  It's a waste of the company's money and my time and money to want me to go back after this is all over.


I was just having this conversation with an office drone friend.  Companies should all reduce their office spaces by 2/3 and just have a bunch of "ownerless" desks that you can use to work away from home if you want (since not everyone is productive at home).  That, and a conference room for the rare meeting that has to be conducted in person for logistical reasons.

Workers will be more productive, operating costs like rent will go down, and the waste of energy of having everyone commute will be drastically reduced.

I know we probably re-invented the wheel, but I don't work in an office, so it's not something I've really though about before.
 
2020-04-13 1:23:26 PM  

gar1013: The difference between a quality suit and a Jos. A Banks or Men's Wearhouse suit is substantial. A really quality suit feels like you are wearing your most comfortable pajamas, but you look great.


This.

Also, the difference between USN Dress Whites (which are completely just bell-bottom PJs with shiatty shoes) and dungarees.

/  To be fair, pre-digital poopysuits were PJs as well that you got to wear while underway.
// Thank "Bob" I don't have to wear dress blues ever again. You have to plan your piss three weeks in advance to get out of that flap.
/// Yes, I know, convert them to snap buttons...
 
2020-04-13 1:24:51 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: There probably needs to be some level of dress code so people who shouldn't wear certain things don't wear those things.

Jeans and a shirt with a collar is easy and works for most places.


Why a collar?  What's wrong with t-shirts?
 
2020-04-13 1:40:19 PM  

wood0366: gar1013: The difference between a quality suit and a Jos. A Banks or Men's Wearhouse suit is substantial. A really quality suit feels like you are wearing your most comfortable pajamas, but you look great.

This.

Also, the difference between USN Dress Whites (which are completely just bell-bottom PJs with shiatty shoes) and dungarees.

/  To be fair, pre-digital poopysuits were PJs as well that you got to wear while underway.
// Thank "Bob" I don't have to wear dress blues ever again. You have to plan your piss three weeks in advance to get out of that flap.
/// Yes, I know, convert them to snap buttons...


Funny stuff. The number of times in six years that I had to wear dress blues could be counted on one hand. And the underway onesies were very comfy. I loved those things. The old dungarees weren't bad though. But I think the new style is camo? Those look pretty sweet.
 
2020-04-13 1:41:51 PM  

I dont want to be on this planet anymore: LL316: Going into an office should never come back.  Most of our office jobs can be done at home with every bit of productivity (I'd actually argue more productivity) than if we were in our offices at work.  It's a waste of the company's money and my time and money to want me to go back after this is all over.

Only a third of the jobs out there translate to WFH well


1/3 of ALL jobs?  Like, including bartenders, mechanics, plumbers and healthcare workers?  Because if that's what you mean, that's a farkton of workers that are currently wasting a farkton of resources by commuting to a desk 5 days a week.

and a I'd guess only a third of the people that would do them would do them more productively.

Maybe, if you only look at the time at the desk and ignore the stress and energy of commuting 45 minutes each way.  When you consider all of the details of having to schedule, prepare and commute to a job, you're probably going to get better work out of closer to 2/3 of people by letting them choose whether or not to come in on any given day.  And even if they are slightly less productive at home, the savings on rent/real estate, energy, sundries, and the positive environmental impact more than makes up for it.

Other than direct customer service and important meetings/presentations, if a job can be done at a desk, it can almost always be done at any desk, anywhere.
 
2020-04-13 1:53:50 PM  

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2020-04-13 1:55:57 PM  

powhound: wood0366: gar1013: The difference between a quality suit and a Jos. A Banks or Men's Wearhouse suit is substantial. A really quality suit feels like you are wearing your most comfortable pajamas, but you look great.

This.

Also, the difference between USN Dress Whites (which are completely just bell-bottom PJs with shiatty shoes) and dungarees.

/  To be fair, pre-digital poopysuits were PJs as well that you got to wear while underway.
// Thank "Bob" I don't have to wear dress blues ever again. You have to plan your piss three weeks in advance to get out of that flap.
/// Yes, I know, convert them to snap buttons...

Funny stuff. The number of times in six years that I had to wear dress blues could be counted on one hand. And the underway onesies were very comfy. I loved those things. The old dungarees weren't bad though. But I think the new style is camo? Those look pretty sweet.


I still remember finding out the Summer Shorts Utilities in the uniform guide... That shiat was /hilarious/, can't find a picture but think Utilities except for above-the-knee shorts and black socks up to the knee... and steel toes.

COB put a stop to that by issuing a statement that they were not 'approved for shipboard service'.

If I thought I could get away with it...
 
2020-04-13 2:15:54 PM  

I dont want to be on this planet anymore: LL316: Going into an office should never come back.  Most of our office jobs can be done at home with every bit of productivity (I'd actually argue more productivity) than if we were in our offices at work.  It's a waste of the company's money and my time and money to want me to go back after this is all over.

Only a third of the jobs out there translate to WFH well and a I'd guess only a third of the people that would do them would do them more productively. So, I disagree.


Citation of only a third of office jobs being able to be completed at home?
 
2020-04-13 2:18:58 PM  

wood0366: powhound: wood0366: gar1013: The difference between a quality suit and a Jos. A Banks or Men's Wearhouse suit is substantial. A really quality suit feels like you are wearing your most comfortable pajamas, but you look great.

This.

Also, the difference between USN Dress Whites (which are completely just bell-bottom PJs with shiatty shoes) and dungarees.

/  To be fair, pre-digital poopysuits were PJs as well that you got to wear while underway.
// Thank "Bob" I don't have to wear dress blues ever again. You have to plan your piss three weeks in advance to get out of that flap.
/// Yes, I know, convert them to snap buttons...

Funny stuff. The number of times in six years that I had to wear dress blues could be counted on one hand. And the underway onesies were very comfy. I loved those things. The old dungarees weren't bad though. But I think the new style is camo? Those look pretty sweet.

I still remember finding out the Summer Shorts Utilities in the uniform guide... That shiat was /hilarious/, can't find a picture but think Utilities except for above-the-knee shorts and black socks up to the knee... and steel toes.

COB put a stop to that by issuing a statement that they were not 'approved for shipboard service'.

If I thought I could get away with it...


That's an Aussie thing though, correct? Would have been hilarious. I don't remember that ever being a thing though. Was in 92-98
 
2020-04-13 2:30:26 PM  
My company was bought out a couple years ago while I was home recovering from ACL repair surgery.  It wasn't a big surprise but over the Christmas Holidays one of the emails from the new Chief was about was was considered acceptable work wear.
Jeans were no longer considered acceptable and we were expected to wear jackets.  I work in an industry where more of my time is spent on a construction site or en-route to sites and blaze orange, hard hats and steel toes are the order of the day.
The icing on the cake was that on casual Fridays, corduroys and turtle necks would be considered.

I was all set to visit Goodwill and every other thrift shop to outfit myself like an extra from Ron Burgundy or to hang out with Huggy Bear in such a 70's inspired mentality.

I didn't get the chance because management did rescind the order for our company but I cringe everytime there's an all hands on deck meeting where we fully mingle.  You can literally see the difference in the company still.
 
2020-04-13 2:37:01 PM  
I put these pajamas on three days ago...
 
2020-04-13 2:56:31 PM  
When my business formal, government-contractor employer instituted casual Fridays in the late 1990s, here's how they explained it.

Jeans, in theory, are ok.
But if you're talking about the jeans that you'd mow your lawn in, or change the oil in your car in, then those jeans are NOT ok.

As long as we apply a similar attitude, we'll be fine.
 
2020-04-13 3:05:31 PM  

Z-clipped: LL316: Going into an office should never come back.  Most of our office jobs can be done at home with every bit of productivity (I'd actually argue more productivity) than if we were in our offices at work.  It's a waste of the company's money and my time and money to want me to go back after this is all over.

I was just having this conversation with an office drone friend.  Companies should all reduce their office spaces by 2/3 and just have a bunch of "ownerless" desks that you can use to work away from home if you want (since not everyone is productive at home).  That, and a conference room for the rare meeting that has to be conducted in person for logistical reasons.

Workers will be more productive, operating costs like rent will go down, and the waste of energy of having everyone commute will be drastically reduced.

I know we probably re-invented the wheel, but I don't work in an office, so it's not something I've really though about before.


No no no no no.

Hot-desking SUCKS.

Until we're at a true paperless office, you're going to spend 20 minutes every morning digging out your files and notes, and 20 minutes at the end putting them away.

And if you have a specific stapler that you like, or want a bobblehead of Tom Brady or Gandalf on your desk, or a picture of your kids or your cats, you're going to waste more time arranging and securing that crap every day as well.
 
2020-04-13 3:22:49 PM  

LL316: Going into an office should never come back. Most of our office jobs can be done at home with every bit of productivity (I'd actually argue more productivity) than if we were in our offices at work.  It's a waste of the company's money and my time and money to want me to go back after this is all over.


God, no.  I can't wait to get back to the office.  I am going crazy being home EVERY.SINGLE.DAY.
 
2020-04-13 3:33:40 PM  

bughunter: I put these pajamas on three days ago...


Or maybe it was five.

I can't remember.
 
2020-04-13 3:52:27 PM  
I have nice pants (fully pass business casual) that are just as comfortable as sweat pants, and I got them for around $20. I don't see the point here. If you work somewhere that is business formal, there is a reason for the dress code.
 
2020-04-13 3:53:47 PM  
Sweatpants at work = sexual harassment claims all over the place. Boner city
 
2020-04-13 3:56:08 PM  

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Why does he wear a kilt when everyone else is pantsless?


He's a south African with class.
 
2020-04-13 4:04:27 PM  
Wearing something in the office workplace that aggressively says 'I'd rather be somewhere else' sends the wrong message. This includes workout gear, beachwear, nightclub outfits and so forth.

If you don't have to collaborate with co-workers, meet clients, or have any other face-to-face interactions, fine, be your bad self and wear whatever your fashion pony (or lack thereof) desires.

Otherwise, it's just rude and selfish: you're there to get a job done, not make your job about you. Have a bit or humility.

And for god's sake skip the cologne.
 
2020-04-13 6:27:56 PM  

Z-clipped: TheGreatGazoo: There probably needs to be some level of dress code so people who shouldn't wear certain things don't wear those things.

Jeans and a shirt with a collar is easy and works for most places.

Why a collar?  What's wrong with t-shirts?


Meh, then you end up with wife beaters or people pushing it with vulgar stuff.

I can be convinced otherwise.
 
2020-04-13 7:06:28 PM  

UNC_Samurai: The necktie and all its variations and bastard cousins can go away as well.  I don't need to protect my throat from a cavalry attack.


Good, good. This is just the moment of weakness I've been waiting for.

*readies cavalry*
 
2020-04-13 7:26:17 PM  

LL316: Going into an office should never come back.  Most of our office jobs can be done at home with every bit of productivity (I'd actually argue more productivity) than if we were in our offices at work.  It's a waste of the company's money and my time and money to want me to go back after this is all over.


Yeah but what are all those worthless HR coonts gonna do if there's nobody to boss around and manage all the drama from the crazies?

Think of em! HR becomes almost worthless in world where 75%+ of people work from home! Also think of all that sweet sweet tollroads/gas tax/speed tickets the government wont be able to steal from you?

Think of all the grifters that wouldnt make money off your back if we did that? Think of all those big pharma compagnies that wont be able to sell all kind of pills to reduce your stress ?? Imagine all the divorce lawyers losing money because nobody is having affairs in the office anymore?
 
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