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(Vox)   Somewhere between 12 million and 35 Americans have already lost their health insurance along with their job. Thank goodness there isn't some sudden surge in health emergencies to force them into bankruptcy and homelessness too   (vox.com) divider line
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2020-04-09 11:36:09 PM  
44 votes:
There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.
 
2020-04-10 7:42:15 AM  
14 votes:

bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs


Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.
 
2020-04-10 7:39:29 AM  
11 votes:
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2020-04-10 8:36:26 AM  
10 votes:

AquaTatanka: /troll


"It's ok, I was only pretending to be an asshole."
 
2020-04-10 7:06:20 AM  
10 votes:
Sounds like nothing fundamental needs to change.
 
2020-04-10 8:36:49 AM  
8 votes:

AquaTatanka: neongoats: AquaTatanka: That was far too easy.  This place really is an echo chamber.  Everyone loves to hate the establishment.

Still waiting for those numbers. Tell us how much America makes, reprobate.

No man I'm going to bed.  this was hilarious.

Feel free to hold a grudge because I don't care


You are a trip. It's like watching a 15 year-old post in 2005.

Off to the gym next?
 
2020-04-10 7:51:42 AM  
8 votes:

neongoats: AquaTatanka: bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs

Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.

You're not very farking familiar with most of America, are you?


Most of America doesn't make 9 bucks an hour.
 
2020-04-10 5:49:59 AM  
8 votes:
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2020-04-10 7:16:10 AM  
7 votes:
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2020-04-10 8:33:29 AM  
6 votes:

AquaTatanka: That was far too easy.  This place really is an echo chamber.  Everyone loves to hate the establishment.


Oh my god. We now have a, "Ha, ha I trolled you" comment. Is this guy a time traveler from ten years ago.

Amazing!
 
2020-04-10 7:45:40 AM  
6 votes:

AquaTatanka: bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs

Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.


Yeah guys just join the military. It's just about a paycheck, I doubt it will impact your life in any significant way.
 
2020-04-10 7:43:28 AM  
5 votes:

vudukungfu: Remember which party attempted to prevent this


The Democrats and Joe Biden?  Because Trump has mentioned opening up Medicare a couple times now.
 
2020-04-10 1:25:26 AM  
5 votes:

growinthings: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Why can't Trump not be a jackass and open enrollment in Obamacare or have emergency coverage of some kind for all of these laid off people or help firms pay work based coverage?


If you lose your job, you can continue to participate in your employer-sponsored health plan under COBRA.  You just have to pay the full price out of pocket as there are no ACA subsidies for COBRA.

Loss of employment is also one of the events that trigger a special ACA enrollment period.  You get 60 days from the date of termination to enroll a new plan.  So if you decide not to go the COBRA route, you can just hit an exchange.
 
2020-04-10 8:27:32 AM  
4 votes:

AquaTatanka: Ever one in this thread can go f**** themselves


Aaaw.
He mad.
 
2020-04-10 7:48:21 AM  
4 votes:
Pfft.   A lot more than 35 million have never had as much as $500 in the bank al at one time, so what is going BK going to do to them other than absolving them of the crippling credit card debt they have carried throughout their miserable lives?  Prevent them from taking their $1000 windfall COVID money and putting a down payment on a house?  Buy a new car they could never afford?

Start over.  Best thing that could have happened to them.

//but but but they won't be able to rent an apartment because now their are Special.  Here's some news:  When everyone is Special no one is.
 
2020-04-10 7:34:37 AM  
4 votes:
The wealthy can afford medicine. The chemicals are in their blood.

If you feel ill, peckish, or are just bored on a Tuesday, eat a billionaire!
 
2020-04-10 7:33:47 AM  
4 votes:
But guys, administrators need yachts. Won't you think of their yachts?
 
2020-04-09 11:27:12 PM  
4 votes:
I don't see anything wrong here. I am OK with this. -- DIAF Doggie
 
2020-04-10 9:48:24 AM  
3 votes:
Between 35 and 12 million Americans? Big spread.
 
2020-04-10 8:38:58 AM  
3 votes:

AquaTatanka: neongoats: AquaTatanka: That was far too easy.  This place really is an echo chamber.  Everyone loves to hate the establishment.

Still waiting for those numbers. Tell us how much America makes, reprobate.

No man I'm going to bed.  this was hilarious.

Feel free to hold a grudge because I don't care


feel free to get farked, get coughed on and get the fark out then.
 
2020-04-10 8:10:03 AM  
3 votes:
At least you all went with rapey skeletor over medicare grandpa.
 
2020-04-10 7:24:48 AM  
3 votes:
 
2020-04-10 7:23:26 AM  
3 votes:

Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?


1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?
 
2020-04-10 9:07:06 AM  
2 votes:

numbers17: It's like there was a candidate for the Democratic primary that talked about this kind of stuff. Oh well, might as go with the other guy who said he would veto a plan that covers everyone.


No, he didn't say that. He said he would veto one specific plan which would include eliminating all private insurance. He has repeatedly said that he would support a universal plan which allowed everyone to choose a public, government-run plan if they wanted.
 
2020-04-10 8:53:41 AM  
2 votes:

eiger: AquaTatanka: That was far too easy.  This place really is an echo chamber.  Everyone loves to hate the establishment.

Oh my god. We now have a, "Ha, ha I trolled you" comment. Is this guy a time traveler from ten years ago.

Amazing!


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2020-04-10 8:48:39 AM  
2 votes:
This is the whole point. You have to accept work or you don't get health care. This lets them abuse you more because if you quit, you don't have health care.

This is also why they're against ACA, or M4A, or anything else that might let you be less of a slave.
 
2020-04-10 8:16:43 AM  
2 votes:

AquaTatanka: I'm not going apologize for suggesting that a 26 year old woman have a better gig than $9/hr at 20 hours/wk.

People are lucky to keep a job during the pandemic and I'm not talking about that circumstance.  I'm talking about the fact that that was are circumstance before the pandemic probably.  I have no sympathy for people who graduated high school and did nothing more to better themselves.  Maybe sirius black could do better.


I would hate to be your friend, let alone to date you or be in a long-term relationship with you. You sound like a truly awful person. You sound like you have character as bad, if not worse, than the person currently inhabiting the White House. I wasn't sure that was possible before now, so congratulations on making me realize the error in my thinking.
 
2020-04-10 8:14:10 AM  
2 votes:

AquaTatanka: I'm not going apologize for suggesting that a 26 year old woman have a better gig than $9/hr at 20 hours/wk.

People are lucky to keep a job during the pandemic and I'm not talking about that circumstance.  I'm talking about the fact that that was are circumstance before the pandemic probably.  I have no sympathy for people who graduated high school and did nothing more to better themselves.  Maybe sirius black could do better.


We get it, you're out of touch with the vast majority of the situation in the US.  You don't need to keep digging the hole
 
2020-04-10 8:12:50 AM  
2 votes:
Ah, here is the quote I wanted to add to my post just a bit ago:.
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2020-04-10 7:38:19 AM  
2 votes:
Remember which party attempted to prevent this
 
2020-04-10 7:26:00 AM  
2 votes:
Nothing will fundamentally change.
 
2020-04-10 7:22:11 AM  
2 votes:
Or you know, since insurance is really just a middle man to getting healthcare you can eliminate the need for it completely and just provide free healthcare to the whole country. I mean honestly if we can fund trillion dollar planes with huge repair costs we can easily provide healthcare to people.
 
2020-04-10 12:56:05 AM  
2 votes:

feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.


Why can't Trump not be a jackass and open enrollment in Obamacare or have emergency coverage of some kind for all of these laid off people or help firms pay work based coverage?
 
2020-04-09 11:41:56 PM  
2 votes:
Think about the pandemic from the insurers point of view for a second.

They get monthly revenue from employer premiums.

16 million people just suddenly stopped paying premiums.

Plus health claims are suddenly skyrocketing.

The commercial market works worst when it is needed most.
 
2020-04-10 10:05:58 AM  
1 vote:

eiger: I'm still a little baffled that we actually have a, "Why don't the poor decide to not be poor" comment.

Those used to be very common around here but have become increasingly rare over the years.


Did some of the people who used to make them become poor?
 
2020-04-10 8:56:40 AM  
1 vote:
I'm sure that there are some hard-core Randroids all hunkered in their Galt-Gulch bunkers, who are furiously fapping right now.


"Burden not Columbia with your chaff!"
 
2020-04-10 8:54:17 AM  
1 vote:

AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs

Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.

The military only recruits about 200,000 new soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines every year. What are the other several million people supposed to do?

Find a skill beyond flipping burgers or running a cash register in a retail setting.  Americans are f******* la ...


Hey look, another person who understands cash registers and burger flipping are necessary but demands that whoever works them should be poor.
 
2020-04-10 8:19:34 AM  
1 vote:

AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: I'm not going apologize for suggesting that a 26 year old woman have a better gig than $9/hr at 20 hours/wk.

People are lucky to keep a job during the pandemic and I'm not talking about that circumstance.  I'm talking about the fact that that was are circumstance before the pandemic probably.  I have no sympathy for people who graduated high school and did nothing more to better themselves.  Maybe sirius black could do better.

I would hate to be your friend, let alone to date you or be in a long-term relationship with you. You sound like a truly awful person. You sound like you have character as bad, if not worse, than the person currently inhabiting the White House. I wasn't sure that was possible before now, so congratulations on making me realize the error in my thinking.

Try moving out of the middle of a corn field.


"Why don't people just buy more money??"

You're clueless and disconnected from reality.
 
2020-04-10 8:17:40 AM  
1 vote:

AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs

Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.

The military only recruits about 200,000 new soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines every year. What are the other several million people supposed to do?

Find a skill beyond flipping burgers or running a cash register in a retail setting.  Americans are f******* la ...


Is this throwback Friday? I haven't seen a comment so disconnected from the reality of the American economy in 2020 in a while.

Here's a hint: Look at the people working in lower end jobs in, say, grocery stores or fast food restaurants. Think back to when you were younger. Notice a difference? Yeah, the teenagers have been replaced by young and middle-aged adults. Why do you think that is? Because Americans all suddenly and collectively became lazy?

It seems like other explanations might be more compelling.
 
2020-04-10 8:14:15 AM  
1 vote:

AquaTatanka: I'm not going apologize for suggesting that a 26 year old woman have a better gig than $9/hr at 20 hours/wk.

People are lucky to keep a job during the pandemic and I'm not talking about that circumstance.  I'm talking about the fact that that was are circumstance before the pandemic probably.  I have no sympathy for people who graduated high school and did nothing more to better themselves.  Maybe sirius black could do better.


You don't know their farking life.
 
2020-04-10 8:14:06 AM  
1 vote:

Nimbull: Or you know, since insurance is really just a middle man to getting healthcare you can eliminate the need for it completely and just provide free healthcare to the whole country. I mean honestly if we can fund trillion dollar planes with huge repair costs we can easily provide healthcare to people.


Sigh... How many times does this have to be explained. In America, we always have enough money to hurt people. We never have enough money to help people.
 
2020-04-10 8:13:34 AM  
1 vote:

AquaTatanka: I'm not going apologize for suggesting that a 26 year old woman have a better gig than $9/hr at 20 hours/wk.

People are lucky to keep a job during the pandemic and I'm not talking about that circumstance.  I'm talking about the fact that that was are circumstance before the pandemic probably.  I have no sympathy for people who graduated high school and did nothing more to better themselves.  Maybe sirius black could do better.


I hear guillotine manufacturers are hiring.
 
2020-04-10 8:12:05 AM  
1 vote:

Serious Black: I'm not sure you've thought your "everyone should just get a better job" idea all the way through.


If reactionaries ever thought anything through, they wouldn't be reactionaries.
 
2020-04-10 8:11:58 AM  
1 vote:
AquaTatanka:

"I have no sympathy"

And farkied
 
2020-04-10 8:10:30 AM  
1 vote:

Serious Black: The military only recruits about 200,000 new soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines every year. What are the other several million people supposed to do?


Sounds like we need a really, really long war.
 
2020-04-10 7:58:07 AM  
1 vote:

AquaTatanka: neongoats: AquaTatanka: bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs

Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.

You're not very farking familiar with most of America, are you?

Most of America doesn't make 9 bucks an hour.


Really? Tell us all how much most of America makes then, since you're so familiar with America and stuff.
 
2020-04-10 7:45:28 AM  
1 vote:

Nimbull: Or you know, since insurance is really just a middle man to getting healthcare you can eliminate the need for it completely and just provide free healthcare to the whole country. I mean honestly if we can fund trillion dollar planes with huge repair costs we can easily provide healthcare to people.


damn straight. there is always billions for military. there is always billions for disasters. C19? back-bill the China government. for every farking penny.
 
2020-04-10 7:27:31 AM  
1 vote:
Good thing Democrats rejected the candidates who wanted everyone to get healthcare. That will definitely convince people that both sides aren't the same.
 
2020-04-10 7:19:12 AM  
1 vote:

SomeAmerican: Think about the pandemic from the insurers point of view for a second.

They get monthly revenue from employer premiums.

16 million people just suddenly stopped paying premiums.

Plus health claims are suddenly skyrocketing.

The commercial market works worst when it is needed most.


Health insurance companies are making bank during this pandemic.  Everyone is still paying premiums, but overall medical services have plummeted.  Doctors and nurses are getting laid off all over America.

When the Coronavirus claims do roll in, they'll all be for short stays and some ICU.  That's peanuts compared to, say, a kidney transplant bill.
 
2020-04-10 6:14:22 AM  
1 vote:

pkjun: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

No, there should be a federal law allowing them to use Medicare.


Isnt that called Medicaid?
 
2020-04-10 3:42:37 AM  
1 vote:
If you live in a state with expanded Medicaid, you might get good coverage for a very affordable monthly payment. I'd check there before looking at the exchange.
 
2020-04-10 2:10:46 AM  
1 vote:

feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.


No, there should be a federal law allowing them to use Medicare.

Sitting outside the US, COBRA looks like a sort of joke America plays on its citizens. Oh, you've lost your job? Sorry to hear you now have no income. The good news is you can still have your crappy, frustrating health insurance! You just need to pay five times more for it than you used to.

Can't afford that? Better go buy some more money, stupid poor.
 
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