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(Vox)   Somewhere between 12 million and 35 Americans have already lost their health insurance along with their job. Thank goodness there isn't some sudden surge in health emergencies to force them into bankruptcy and homelessness too   (vox.com) divider line
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2020-04-10 8:36:49 AM  

AquaTatanka: neongoats: AquaTatanka: That was far too easy.  This place really is an echo chamber.  Everyone loves to hate the establishment.

Still waiting for those numbers. Tell us how much America makes, reprobate.

No man I'm going to bed.  this was hilarious.

Feel free to hold a grudge because I don't care


You are a trip. It's like watching a 15 year-old post in 2005.

Off to the gym next?
 
2020-04-10 8:38:10 AM  

irocu88: Should have thought of that before you shut down the whole country for an uncommon flu.........


Oh you sweet summer child.
 
2020-04-10 8:38:58 AM  

AquaTatanka: neongoats: AquaTatanka: That was far too easy.  This place really is an echo chamber.  Everyone loves to hate the establishment.

Still waiting for those numbers. Tell us how much America makes, reprobate.

No man I'm going to bed.  this was hilarious.

Feel free to hold a grudge because I don't care


feel free to get farked, get coughed on and get the fark out then.
 
2020-04-10 8:40:44 AM  

AquaTatanka: Ever one in this thread can go f**** themselves


My family member is in the ICU, with COVID, still unconscious, and on all kinds of machines, and meds. Crazy ridonkulous meds. She won't have to pay a thing for any of it. She is in the hospital!!! Unconscious!! it would be insane to make her pay for it.

The hospitalization is covered by the government.

She is low income, unemployed at the time she got sick. But between OHIP and her daughter's union plan, if she survives and goes home, her daughter's union coverage will mean all her meds and physiotherapy will be covered. (They live together).

My family member who is in the hospital is diabetic. Her daughter's union coverage means she doesn't pay for the insulin. Without her daughter's coverage, we have government programs like ODSP that would cover it, at her low income level.
 
2020-04-10 8:42:17 AM  

jso2897: AquaTatanka: Ever one in this thread can go f**** themselves

Aaaw.
He mad.


And he's exactly what the "ignore" list was made for.
 
2020-04-10 8:43:27 AM  
Ladyofthenorth:Canada is a wasteland when it comes to healthcare.

Ya, love my country and the systems we have to help our people. So grateful to live here and that is the honest truth.


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2020-04-10 8:48:39 AM  
This is the whole point. You have to accept work or you don't get health care. This lets them abuse you more because if you quit, you don't have health care.

This is also why they're against ACA, or M4A, or anything else that might let you be less of a slave.
 
2020-04-10 8:51:02 AM  

pkjun: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

No, there should be a federal law allowing them to use Medicare.

Sitting outside the US, COBRA looks like a sort of joke America plays on its citizens. Oh, you've lost your job? Sorry to hear you now have no income. The good news is you can still have your crappy, frustrating health insurance! You just need to pay five times more for it than you used to.

Can't afford that? Better go buy some more money, stupid poor.


When your employers insurance option is posted next to the osha posters in the breakroom, that's cobra
 
2020-04-10 8:51:35 AM  

jso2897: I think we all understand that 99% of the big rich entrepreneurs we meet on Fark, boasting about their alleged wealth and productivity and excoriating others, are actually fat teenagers huddles in their maternal parents domicile, eating Cheetohs, or old drunks on disability.
It certainly isn't anything to get mad about, but it's fun to pull their covers.

They don't need to be fat, or of a certain age, or living with their parents, or disabled.  Could be making a decent living.  Probably not healthy, though.

The main requirement is depression of the self-loathing sort (which is vehemently denied because it involves introspection and the whole point of trolling is doing anything to avoid that pain).  A dead-end existence, devoid of purpose or real intimacy.  I know this because I've been there.  I just stopped trolling at some point when I realized pulling others into the dark hole I insisted on staying in didn't make me feel good enough to justify the downsides.
 
2020-04-10 8:53:41 AM  

eiger: AquaTatanka: That was far too easy.  This place really is an echo chamber.  Everyone loves to hate the establishment.

Oh my god. We now have a, "Ha, ha I trolled you" comment. Is this guy a time traveler from ten years ago.

Amazing!


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2020-04-10 8:54:17 AM  

AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs

Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.

The military only recruits about 200,000 new soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines every year. What are the other several million people supposed to do?

Find a skill beyond flipping burgers or running a cash register in a retail setting.  Americans are f******* la ...


Hey look, another person who understands cash registers and burger flipping are necessary but demands that whoever works them should be poor.
 
2020-04-10 8:56:40 AM  
I'm sure that there are some hard-core Randroids all hunkered in their Galt-Gulch bunkers, who are furiously fapping right now.


"Burden not Columbia with your chaff!"
 
2020-04-10 9:01:09 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: SomeAmerican: Think about the pandemic from the insurers point of view for a second.

They get monthly revenue from employer premiums.

16 million people just suddenly stopped paying premiums.

Plus health claims are suddenly skyrocketing.

The commercial market works worst when it is needed most.

Health insurance companies are making bank during this pandemic.  Everyone is still paying premiums, but overall medical services have plummeted.  Doctors and nurses are getting laid off all over America.

When the Coronavirus claims do roll in, they'll all be for short stays and some ICU.  That's peanuts compared to, say, a kidney transplant bill.


The vast majority of the 18 million people who were just laid off absolutely are not still paying premiums.
 
2020-04-10 9:06:07 AM  

meanmutton: Marcus Aurelius: SomeAmerican: Think about the pandemic from the insurers point of view for a second.

They get monthly revenue from employer premiums.

16 million people just suddenly stopped paying premiums.

Plus health claims are suddenly skyrocketing.

The commercial market works worst when it is needed most.

Health insurance companies are making bank during this pandemic.  Everyone is still paying premiums, but overall medical services have plummeted.  Doctors and nurses are getting laid off all over America.

When the Coronavirus claims do roll in, they'll all be for short stays and some ICU.  That's peanuts compared to, say, a kidney transplant bill.

The vast majority of the 18 million people who were just laid off absolutely are not still paying premiums.


They can still turn a tidy profit if they can avoid providing any of the services they normally would.  AND they can still wail for that sweet, sweet bailout money.  It's a  win-win situation for them.
 
2020-04-10 9:07:06 AM  

numbers17: It's like there was a candidate for the Democratic primary that talked about this kind of stuff. Oh well, might as go with the other guy who said he would veto a plan that covers everyone.


No, he didn't say that. He said he would veto one specific plan which would include eliminating all private insurance. He has repeatedly said that he would support a universal plan which allowed everyone to choose a public, government-run plan if they wanted.
 
2020-04-10 9:07:13 AM  
Well clearly the solution is to vote for Biden so he can cram Obamacare2.0 down our throats with even higher premiums and deductibles than ever before! WOOOOHOOOO!!

/ for something called "the affordable care act", it sure did a good job of making healthcare unaffordable to everyone who didn't have an employer subsidizing it
 
2020-04-10 9:09:11 AM  

DarnoKonrad: Nothing will fundamentally change.


Not until politicians and their families and friends start dying no
 
2020-04-10 9:13:54 AM  

AquaTatanka: bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs

Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.


Counter point.
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Just because someone cleans toilets does not mean they deserve to be treated like scum. And all of us should be cleaning toilets. It is a good reminder that your shiat stinks like everyone else's.
 
2020-04-10 9:16:39 AM  

Serious Black: Lucky LaRue: pkjun: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

No, there should be a federal law allowing them to use Medicare.

Isnt that called Medicaid?

Doesn't work in my state. Households whose income falls above 38% of the federal poverty level, $9,956 in 2020, don't qualify for Medicaid in Kansas. Childless adults don't qualify even if their income is $0. And because the tax credits that defray the cost of policies purchased on the exchange don't kick in until you reach the federal poverty level, they get no help there either.


So a program designed to help poor people is not available to those people because of government rules and regulation?

Well, I can certainly see why so many people want the government to control all of healthcare....
 
2020-04-10 9:18:02 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Dinjiin: growinthings: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Why can't Trump not be a jackass and open enrollment in Obamacare or have emergency coverage of some kind for all of these laid off people or help firms pay work based coverage?

If you lose your job, you can continue to participate in your employer-sponsored health plan under COBRA.  You just have to pay the full price out of pocket as there are no ACA subsidies for COBRA.

Loss of employment is also one of the events that trigger a special ACA enrollment period.  You get 60 days from the date of termination to enroll a new plan.  So if you decide not to go the COBRA route, you can just hit an exchange.

COBRA is a farking joke.


That it is.  When I was much younger and was out of work for a few months, my COBRA premium would have been something like $800/mo.  I just went without as that was an outrageous price.
 
2020-04-10 9:18:20 AM  

leeksfromchichis: AquaTatanka:

"I have no sympathy"

And farkied


There's a better button for assholes of that type.
 
2020-04-10 9:27:24 AM  
Both sides are bad, so I support Donald Trump!
 
2020-04-10 9:33:53 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Dinjiin: growinthings: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Why can't Trump not be a jackass and open enrollment in Obamacare or have emergency coverage of some kind for all of these laid off people or help firms pay work based coverage?

If you lose your job, you can continue to participate in your employer-sponsored health plan under COBRA.  You just have to pay the full price out of pocket as there are no ACA subsidies for COBRA.

Loss of employment is also one of the events that trigger a special ACA enrollment period.  You get 60 days from the date of termination to enroll a new plan.  So if you decide not to go the COBRA route, you can just hit an exchange.

COBRA is a farking joke.


My wife, a physician, got fired for  being sick. Found a new job immediately but it takes 3 months for insurance clearance and stuff before she can work. Her sign on bonus went to COBRA coverage doe the family to the tune of $8K/mo so that bonus just disappeared in order for her to have her meds. It would have been cheaper to pay the $3K/mo out of pocket on meds except we were gambling she wouldnt get sick again and hit us with a $25K hospital bill. And I'm still spending 2 hours dealing with $14 HSA charges to get my account unlocked.

Burn the whole inhumane system down. With the insuranc execs inside.
 
2020-04-10 9:39:40 AM  
Thanks China.
 
2020-04-10 9:39:58 AM  
TelemonianAjax:

Nero had a nice recipe for tar shirts that turned undesirables into torches.

Burn the system down WITH the insurance executives as the match.
 
2020-04-10 9:41:38 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Serious Black: Lucky LaRue: pkjun: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

No, there should be a federal law allowing them to use Medicare.

Isnt that called Medicaid?

Doesn't work in my state. Households whose income falls above 38% of the federal poverty level, $9,956 in 2020, don't qualify for Medicaid in Kansas. Childless adults don't qualify even if their income is $0. And because the tax credits that defray the cost of policies purchased on the exchange don't kick in until you reach the federal poverty level, they get no help there either.

So a program designed to help poor people is not available to those people because of government rules and regulation?

Well, I can certainly see why so many people want the government to control all of healthcare....


If my state would accept funding from the federal government to expand Medicaid, the problem wouldn't exist because it would be able to cover families making up to about $36,000 a year. The problem is now entirely because of recalcitrant Republican leaders, in particular Susan Wagle, who refuse to let Medicaid expansion bills come up for a vote.
 
2020-04-10 9:42:16 AM  

feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.


They forgot to write that one so that it doesn't cause bankruptcy and homelessness in and of itself, of course...

Funny how all roads - whether you work hard or not, have an education or not - seem to lead to bankruptcy and homelessness in America...
 
2020-04-10 9:42:30 AM  

someonelse: AquaTatanka: /troll

"It's ok, I was only pretending to be an asshole."


Oh, was he born again or something?
 
2020-04-10 9:44:25 AM  

Serious Black: Lucky LaRue: Serious Black: Lucky LaRue: pkjun: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

No, there should be a federal law allowing them to use Medicare.

Isnt that called Medicaid?

Doesn't work in my state. Households whose income falls above 38% of the federal poverty level, $9,956 in 2020, don't qualify for Medicaid in Kansas. Childless adults don't qualify even if their income is $0. And because the tax credits that defray the cost of policies purchased on the exchange don't kick in until you reach the federal poverty level, they get no help there either.

So a program designed to help poor people is not available to those people because of government rules and regulation?

Well, I can certainly see why so many people want the government to control all of healthcare....

If my state would accept funding from the federal government to expand Medicaid, the problem wouldn't exist because it would be able to cover families making up to about $36,000 a year. The problem is now entirely because of recalcitrant Republican leaders, in particular Susan Wagle, who refuse to let Medicaid expansion bills come up for a vote.


For anyone wondering why this is, it isn't even really ideological on the right-wingers' part.  It's more about the downward pressure on wages that can be exerted if you're too afraid to be jobless for even a month or two because you'll lose your insurance if you dare to leave a job that isn't treating you well.  That benefits political donors, especially but hardly exclusively GOP ones.
 
2020-04-10 9:45:28 AM  

kbronsito: How many people in Canada lost their insurance this month?


How many people in Canada are uninsured?  Almost all of them!
 
2020-04-10 9:47:57 AM  

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: jso2897: AquaTatanka: Ever one in this thread can go f**** themselves

Aaaw.
He mad.

And he's exactly what the "ignore" list was made for.


I don't use it. But I don't blame those who do.
 
2020-04-10 9:48:24 AM  
Between 35 and 12 million Americans? Big spread.
 
2020-04-10 9:50:07 AM  

Dinjiin: That it is. When I was much younger and was out of work for a few months, my COBRA premium would have been something like $800/mo. I just went without as that was an outrageous price.


That sounds like a good gamble when you are young.  The catch is that any health problem you had under the old insurance that comes back later is now a pre-existing condition for which you did not have "continuous coverage."  You may think that only applies to chronic illnesses or conditions, but health insurance companies are quite willing to call a broken leg a pre-existing condition if it happens again, or demand that you prove that this year's flu was not a pre-existing condition, etc.
 
2020-04-10 9:59:55 AM  

Serious Black: Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself.
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not to threadjack, but a married 26 yr old was offered to be added to her parent's insurance? - am I reading that right?
 
2020-04-10 10:00:26 AM  

AngryDragon: The Democrats and Joe Biden? Because Trump has mentioned opening up Medicare a couple times now.


As we all know, saying you're going to do something is the same thing as doing it.

/See also: Discussed/proclaimed X; Made/drafted plans for X; Held meetings on X; Created/attended/led a task force/working group/commission for X; Worked to do X...

//Pretty sure he also mentioned Mexico paying for the wall
 
2020-04-10 10:02:54 AM  

flondrix: How many people in Canada are uninsured? Almost all of them!


Guess again.
 
2020-04-10 10:05:58 AM  

eiger: I'm still a little baffled that we actually have a, "Why don't the poor decide to not be poor" comment.

Those used to be very common around here but have become increasingly rare over the years.


Did some of the people who used to make them become poor?
 
2020-04-10 10:10:06 AM  

nanim: Serious Black: Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself.
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not to threadjack, but a married 26 yr old was offered to be added to her parent's insurance? - am I reading that right?


We are not married. We could get married if the courts were open, and then I could add her to my insurance plan.
 
2020-04-10 10:21:24 AM  

flondrix: Dinjiin: That it is. When I was much younger and was out of work for a few months, my COBRA premium would have been something like $800/mo. I just went without as that was an outrageous price.

That sounds like a good gamble when you are young.  The catch is that any health problem you had under the old insurance that comes back later is now a pre-existing condition for which you did not have "continuous coverage."  You may think that only applies to chronic illnesses or conditions, but health insurance companies are quite willing to call a broken leg a pre-existing condition if it happens again, or demand that you prove that this year's flu was not a pre-existing condition, etc.


Neither of my employer sponsored plans since that lapse have given me grief regarding pre-existing conditions.  It has never come up even once.  I'm betting that there is a wide variance between insurers and what conditions trigger the extra scrutiny.
 
2020-04-10 10:26:19 AM  

ajgeek: AquaTatanka: bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs

Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.

Counter point.
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Just because someone cleans toilets does not mean they deserve to be treated like scum. And all of us should be cleaning toilets. It is a good reminder that your shiat stinks like everyone else's.


I was raised by a piece of shiat that believed stuff like the garbage bag you reply too.  It took me more than a decade being outside of his shiatty influence to realize how shiat my beliefs were and to rise above looking down on people who work mundane jobs as if they are my lessors.  The best part was dad's incredibly hypocritical view of how those elites looked down on HIM!  Man did he hate that, as he looked down his nose at all the lessor people around him.

Flipping burgers, ringing people up, stocking shelves, cleaning floor, this is all necessary and honest work and should make someone enough to live on like a person not a tool or slave.  Simple stuff.  Unchain people from health care, pay them enough to live.  Educate them and their children for free so they might aspire to climb higher without being chained by unending debt.  Simple stuff really and the most basic fruit a good society should provide.
 
2020-04-10 10:27:35 AM  

neongoats: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: I'm not going apologize for suggesting that a 26 year old woman have a better gig than $9/hr at 20 hours/wk.

People are lucky to keep a job during the pandemic and I'm not talking about that circumstance.  I'm talking about the fact that that was are circumstance before the pandemic probably.  I have no sympathy for people who graduated high school and did nothing more to better themselves.  Maybe sirius black could do better.

I would hate to be your friend, let alone to date you or be in a long-term relationship with you. You sound like a truly awful person. You sound like you have character as bad, if not worse, than the person currently inhabiting the White House. I wasn't sure that was possible before now, so congratulations on making me realize the error in my thinking.

Try moving out of the middle of a corn field.

"Why don't people just buy more money??"

You're clueless and disconnected from reality.


Just stop engaging it.
 
2020-04-10 10:37:48 AM  

AquaTatanka: bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs

Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.


"E1s with less than two years experience earn an annual salary of $19,660"

Yeah, what a massive entry salary to go got shot at in some third world desert for no discernable reason and to be yelled at by some skinhead flyover trash, where do I sign up.
 
2020-04-10 10:41:22 AM  
Number of people kicked off of health insurance because of job loss or revenue loss due to the virus:
USA: 35 Million
Everywhere else: 0

I guess that's just the way it is.....the bootstrap plant shut down because it was non-essential
 
2020-04-10 10:41:51 AM  

meanmutton: numbers17: It's like there was a candidate for the Democratic primary that talked about this kind of stuff. Oh well, might as go with the other guy who said he would veto a plan that covers everyone.

No, he didn't say that. He said he would veto one specific plan which would include eliminating all private insurance. He has repeatedly said that he would support a universal plan which allowed everyone to choose a public, government-run plan if they wanted.


The UK has private health insurance covering "diseases of the rich", right?  We could do that.
 
2020-04-10 10:45:28 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Serious Black: Lucky LaRue: pkjun: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

No, there should be a federal law allowing them to use Medicare.

Isnt that called Medicaid?

Doesn't work in my state. Households whose income falls above 38% of the federal poverty level, $9,956 in 2020, don't qualify for Medicaid in Kansas. Childless adults don't qualify even if their income is $0. And because the tax credits that defray the cost of policies purchased on the exchange don't kick in until you reach the federal poverty level, they get no help there either.

So a program designed to help poor people is not available to those people because of government rules and regulation?


Because people like you made sure that it isn't.

Well, I can certainly see why so many people want the government to control all of healthcare....

Not all of healthcare.  The UK has a private, for-profit health care system specializing in diseases of the rich.
 
2020-04-10 10:50:59 AM  

INTERTRON: flondrix: How many people in Canada are uninsured? Almost all of them!

Guess again.


OK then, how many Canadians have to deal with health insurance bullshiat?  I thought never encountering the words "health insurance" or "medical bill" except when talking to yanks was one of the great benefits of being a Canadian citizen.  I said "almost all" because I figured there would be some weird exceptions, people sent up there by American oil companies and not covered by the system or something.
 
2020-04-10 11:14:58 AM  

Serious Black: nanim: Serious Black: Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself.
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not to threadjack, but a married 26 yr old was offered to be added to her parent's insurance? - am I reading that right?

We are not married. We could get married if the courts were open, and then I could add her to my insurance plan.


You'll be appalled at how much that will cost.
My wife has better insurance than I do. Much better. To add me to her plan, it would eat 2/3 of her paycheck.
To add Sophont Jr, she'd have to pay them every two weeks for the privilege of working there.
 
2020-04-10 11:53:42 AM  

AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: I'm not going apologize for suggesting that a 26 year old woman have a better gig than $9/hr at 20 hours/wk.

People are lucky to keep a job during the pandemic and I'm not talking about that circumstance.  I'm talking about the fact that that was are circumstance before the pandemic probably.  I have no sympathy for people who graduated high school and did nothing more to better themselves.  Maybe sirius black could do better.

I would hate to be your friend, let alone to date you or be in a long-term relationship with you. You sound like a truly awful person. You sound like you have character as bad, if not worse, than the person currently inhabiting the White House. I wasn't sure that was possible before now, so congratulations on making me realize the error in my thinking.

Try moving out of the middle of a corn field.


how about try not being such an insufferable arsehole?  What the fark is wrong with you..

i hope if you ever fall on hard times, someone else gives you the same level of sympathy and understanding you have shown to SB.

troll on douchebag
 
2020-04-10 12:10:45 PM  

Sophont: Serious Black: nanim: Serious Black: Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself.
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not to threadjack, but a married 26 yr old was offered to be added to her parent's insurance? - am I reading that right?

We are not married. We could get married if the courts were open, and then I could add her to my insurance plan.

You'll be appalled at how much that will cost.
My wife has better insurance than I do. Much better. To add me to her plan, it would eat 2/3 of her paycheck.
To add Sophont Jr, she'd have to pay them every two weeks for the privilege of working there.


Are any of the other employees where she works married or have families?  It seems that this would have come up by now.
 
Ant
2020-04-10 12:30:15 PM  

pkjun: Sitting outside the US, COBRA looks like a sort of joke America plays on its citizens.


It looks that way sitting inside the US too.
 
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