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(Vox)   Somewhere between 12 million and 35 Americans have already lost their health insurance along with their job. Thank goodness there isn't some sudden surge in health emergencies to force them into bankruptcy and homelessness too   (vox.com) divider line
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2020-04-09 11:27:12 PM  
I don't see anything wrong here. I am OK with this. -- DIAF Doggie
 
2020-04-09 11:36:09 PM  
There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.
 
2020-04-09 11:41:56 PM  
Think about the pandemic from the insurers point of view for a second.

They get monthly revenue from employer premiums.

16 million people just suddenly stopped paying premiums.

Plus health claims are suddenly skyrocketing.

The commercial market works worst when it is needed most.
 
2020-04-10 12:56:05 AM  

feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.


Why can't Trump not be a jackass and open enrollment in Obamacare or have emergency coverage of some kind for all of these laid off people or help firms pay work based coverage?
 
2020-04-10 1:25:26 AM  

growinthings: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Why can't Trump not be a jackass and open enrollment in Obamacare or have emergency coverage of some kind for all of these laid off people or help firms pay work based coverage?


If you lose your job, you can continue to participate in your employer-sponsored health plan under COBRA.  You just have to pay the full price out of pocket as there are no ACA subsidies for COBRA.

Loss of employment is also one of the events that trigger a special ACA enrollment period.  You get 60 days from the date of termination to enroll a new plan.  So if you decide not to go the COBRA route, you can just hit an exchange.
 
2020-04-10 2:10:46 AM  

feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.


No, there should be a federal law allowing them to use Medicare.

Sitting outside the US, COBRA looks like a sort of joke America plays on its citizens. Oh, you've lost your job? Sorry to hear you now have no income. The good news is you can still have your crappy, frustrating health insurance! You just need to pay five times more for it than you used to.

Can't afford that? Better go buy some more money, stupid poor.
 
2020-04-10 3:42:37 AM  
If you live in a state with expanded Medicaid, you might get good coverage for a very affordable monthly payment. I'd check there before looking at the exchange.
 
2020-04-10 4:56:36 AM  

Dinjiin: growinthings: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Why can't Trump not be a jackass and open enrollment in Obamacare or have emergency coverage of some kind for all of these laid off people or help firms pay work based coverage?

If you lose your job, you can continue to participate in your employer-sponsored health plan under COBRA.  You just have to pay the full price out of pocket as there are no ACA subsidies for COBRA.

Loss of employment is also one of the events that trigger a special ACA enrollment period.  You get 60 days from the date of termination to enroll a new plan.  So if you decide not to go the COBRA route, you can just hit an exchange.


12 years ago, my COBRA payments were around $1,100 a month. And that was when I had the cheap but good insurance with Aetna as part of my contract.

F*ck 'em. I ended up running up a half million dollar bill on them. (Not what they paid, but what they would've charged me if I hadn't been insured.)
 
2020-04-10 5:49:59 AM  
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2020-04-10 6:14:22 AM  

pkjun: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

No, there should be a federal law allowing them to use Medicare.


Isnt that called Medicaid?
 
2020-04-10 7:06:20 AM  
Sounds like nothing fundamental needs to change.
 
2020-04-10 7:11:36 AM  

Lucky LaRue: pkjun: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

No, there should be a federal law allowing them to use Medicare.

Isnt that called Medicaid?


Doesn't work in my state. Households whose income falls above 38% of the federal poverty level, $9,956 in 2020, don't qualify for Medicaid in Kansas. Childless adults don't qualify even if their income is $0. And because the tax credits that defray the cost of policies purchased on the exchange don't kick in until you reach the federal poverty level, they get no help there either.
 
2020-04-10 7:13:29 AM  

feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.


You get to but its very expensive.

Last time I was laid off it was close to my rent.
 
2020-04-10 7:14:23 AM  

SomeAmerican: Think about the pandemic from the insurers point of view for a second.

They get monthly revenue from employer premiums.

16 million people just suddenly stopped paying premiums.

Plus health claims are suddenly skyrocketing.

The commercial market works worst when it is needed most.


Yeah, its almost like the whole concept health insurance as a for-profit business is untenable. 
Dont worry, im sure uncle sugar balls will bail them out so they can continue buying back their own stock helping people.
 
2020-04-10 7:16:04 AM  
Please fix the headline.

/not subby
 
2020-04-10 7:16:10 AM  
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2020-04-10 7:16:22 AM  
Forcing your employees to get their health care through your company is a great way to enslave people.
 
2020-04-10 7:19:12 AM  

SomeAmerican: Think about the pandemic from the insurers point of view for a second.

They get monthly revenue from employer premiums.

16 million people just suddenly stopped paying premiums.

Plus health claims are suddenly skyrocketing.

The commercial market works worst when it is needed most.


Health insurance companies are making bank during this pandemic.  Everyone is still paying premiums, but overall medical services have plummeted.  Doctors and nurses are getting laid off all over America.

When the Coronavirus claims do roll in, they'll all be for short stays and some ICU.  That's peanuts compared to, say, a kidney transplant bill.
 
2020-04-10 7:21:16 AM  

feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.


Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?
 
2020-04-10 7:22:11 AM  
Or you know, since insurance is really just a middle man to getting healthcare you can eliminate the need for it completely and just provide free healthcare to the whole country. I mean honestly if we can fund trillion dollar planes with huge repair costs we can easily provide healthcare to people.
 
2020-04-10 7:22:41 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: SomeAmerican: Think about the pandemic from the insurers point of view for a second.

They get monthly revenue from employer premiums.

16 million people just suddenly stopped paying premiums.

Plus health claims are suddenly skyrocketing.

The commercial market works worst when it is needed most.

Health insurance companies are making bank during this pandemic.  Everyone is still paying premiums, but overall medical services have plummeted.  Doctors and nurses are getting laid off all over America.

When the Coronavirus claims do roll in, they'll all be for short stays and some ICU.  That's peanuts compared to, say, a kidney transplant bill.


Just wait until the late summer/fall if things are back to normal and all the surgeries that have been delayed go back on the schedule. The hospital I work at is already planning surgery 7 days a week and unlimited overtime.


/yay?
 
2020-04-10 7:23:26 AM  

Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?


1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?
 
2020-04-10 7:24:26 AM  

Nimbull: Or you know, since insurance is really just a middle man to getting healthcare you can eliminate the need for it completely and just provide free healthcare to the whole country. I mean honestly if we can fund trillion dollar planes with huge repair costs we can easily provide healthcare to people.


It's not about the trillion dollar plane it's about the guy who made 50 million selling the government the trillion dollar plane.  And the 5 million that go to politicians to make sure the arrangement stays in place going forward.
 
2020-04-10 7:24:48 AM  
 
2020-04-10 7:26:00 AM  
Nothing will fundamentally change.
 
2020-04-10 7:27:16 AM  

AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?


It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.
 
2020-04-10 7:27:31 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Forcing your employees to get their health care through your company is a great way to enslave people.


Ayup, I work for one of those.

When I tried to frame a reasonable discussion about 60-80 hour weeks (salaried) since mid-March I was instructed that "you're lucky to have a job."
 
2020-04-10 7:27:31 AM  
Good thing Democrats rejected the candidates who wanted everyone to get healthcare. That will definitely convince people that both sides aren't the same.
 
2020-04-10 7:28:00 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Health insurance companies are making bank during this pandemic.

Folks, this is the point where anyone who hasn't been driven insane by the status quo should scream in horror.
 
2020-04-10 7:29:25 AM  

Dinjiin: growinthings: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Why can't Trump not be a jackass and open enrollment in Obamacare or have emergency coverage of some kind for all of these laid off people or help firms pay work based coverage?

If you lose your job, you can continue to participate in your employer-sponsored health plan under COBRA.  You just have to pay the full price out of pocket as there are no ACA subsidies for COBRA.

Loss of employment is also one of the events that trigger a special ACA enrollment period.  You get 60 days from the date of termination to enroll a new plan.  So if you decide not to go the COBRA route, you can just hit an exchange.


COBRA is a farking joke.
 
2020-04-10 7:32:13 AM  

Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?


As has already been mentioned, unemployment is a qualifying event for ACA enrollment.  You don't have to go the COBRA route.
 
2020-04-10 7:32:22 AM  
Once again, for the people in the cheap seats...

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Any time a fundamental need is on a purely for-profit basis, you immediately put it into competition with other needs. Food, medicine/health care, education.

For those of you die-hard whatever you are's, who laugh and mock this... at some point, graft gets so bad, and service so degraded, that something needs to change. Republicans have flat-out been destroying public infrastructure and support for the citizens. This isn't a hand-out. This SHOULD be the basis for an advanced economy. Nobody should ever have to choose between food and medicine. Or choose not to go to the doctor until they're critical, because the emergency room would HAVE to take them. This shouldn't be a hard decision. We're paying plenty in taxes. However, people decided that a war machine was far more desirable than a healthy population.
 
2020-04-10 7:33:24 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Forcing your employees to get their health care through your company is a great way to enslave people.


I heard an interview with Mark Cuban, who of course is against socialized healthcare. He was going in about how even if his employees didn't like working for him, they stayed for the health insurance he offers. What a piece of shiat.
 
2020-04-10 7:33:36 AM  

AquaTatanka: Nimbull: Or you know, since insurance is really just a middle man to getting healthcare you can eliminate the need for it completely and just provide free healthcare to the whole country. I mean honestly if we can fund trillion dollar planes with huge repair costs we can easily provide healthcare to people.

It's not about the trillion dollar plane it's about the guy who made 50 million selling the government the trillion dollar plane.  And the 5 million that go to politicians to make sure the arrangement stays in place going forward.


More like once.thr plane is built, some random jackass steps in, claims it as his asset, then sells the plane you already paid to be built, back to you against n ,so he cannot get a cut for some reason he demands.

Why that random jackass is there at all is the real question.  Just let the army use the plane they paid for and fark off everyone else.

Also, the entitlement to profit off anything as some sort of God given right.

Like the folks who tried profiting off TP and hand sanitizer.  Might as well invest in African child diamond mining operations, since you don't have any morals anyways.

Also, since when did having no morals become some sort of moral thought?
 
2020-04-10 7:33:47 AM  
But guys, administrators need yachts. Won't you think of their yachts?
 
2020-04-10 7:34:13 AM  

AngryDragon: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

As has already been mentioned, unemployment is a qualifying event for ACA enrollment.  You don't have to go the COBRA route.


We're both aware it is. However, the person I was responding to explicitly said that people who lose jobs should be able to continue that preexisting coverage.
 
2020-04-10 7:34:37 AM  
The wealthy can afford medicine. The chemicals are in their blood.

If you feel ill, peckish, or are just bored on a Tuesday, eat a billionaire!
 
2020-04-10 7:34:54 AM  

AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that


Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs
 
2020-04-10 7:36:52 AM  

AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that


She's quite grateful to live with me, someone who has a master's degree, has a white-collar job, and owns a house outright. I'd happily add her to my insurance, but our local court is closed due to the pandemic so we can't get the marriage license that would enable us to go that route.
 
2020-04-10 7:38:19 AM  
Remember which party attempted to prevent this
 
2020-04-10 7:38:51 AM  

js34603: Sounds like nothing fundamental needs to change.


Quick to the Biden mobile where our betters will tell us what's good for us!
 
2020-04-10 7:39:29 AM  
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2020-04-10 7:40:30 AM  
Not only do the people in charge think healthcare should be profitable, they're perfectly fine with people who can't afford it dying.  In fact, if I were more conspiracy-minded, I would even start wondering if they were actually engineering a situation where large numbers of the old, poor, and infirm would die off preferentially rather than assume any responsibility caring for them.  That this would also hit minorities harder than whites is merely a happy bonus.

But I'm sure that's just a coincidence.
 
2020-04-10 7:40:47 AM  

links136: Also, since when did having no morals become some sort of moral thought?


When the evangelicals got Reagan elected.
 
2020-04-10 7:42:15 AM  

bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs


Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.
 
2020-04-10 7:42:35 AM  

bobug: Once again, for the people in the cheap seats...

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Any time a fundamental need is on a purely for-profit basis, you immediately put it into competition with other needs. Food, medicine/health care, education.

For those of you die-hard whatever you are's, who laugh and mock this... at some point, graft gets so bad, and service so degraded, that something needs to change. Republicans have flat-out been destroying public infrastructure and support for the citizens. This isn't a hand-out. This SHOULD be the basis for an advanced economy. Nobody should ever have to choose between food and medicine. Or choose not to go to the doctor until they're critical, because the emergency room would HAVE to take them. This shouldn't be a hard decision. We're paying plenty in taxes. However, people decided that a war machine was far more desirable than a healthy population.


Cant agree more: health care, pharma, groceries, utilities, things necessary for life should not be for profit or should be restricted in how much profit allowed.  In those area things like boner drugs, facelifts, tit implants, candy, soda, cable tv aren't necessary for life and could be allowed to profit.

Non profit research orgs and hospitals are some of the best research orgs with the most skilled people on the planet.  Just because an admin staff and stock holders cant suck blood out of a non profit org or hospital, doesn't mean it cant pay docs, nurses, scientists and such a decent wage.
 
2020-04-10 7:43:28 AM  

vudukungfu: Remember which party attempted to prevent this


The Democrats and Joe Biden?  Because Trump has mentioned opening up Medicare a couple times now.
 
2020-04-10 7:44:37 AM  
It's like there was a candidate for the Democratic primary that talked about this kind of stuff. Oh well, might as go with the other guy who said he would veto a plan that covers everyone.
 
2020-04-10 7:45:09 AM  
Maybe vote for your own interests next time? Or, even bother to vote.
 
2020-04-10 7:45:28 AM  

AquaTatanka: bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs

Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.


You're not very farking familiar with most of America, are you?
 
2020-04-10 7:45:28 AM  

Nimbull: Or you know, since insurance is really just a middle man to getting healthcare you can eliminate the need for it completely and just provide free healthcare to the whole country. I mean honestly if we can fund trillion dollar planes with huge repair costs we can easily provide healthcare to people.


damn straight. there is always billions for military. there is always billions for disasters. C19? back-bill the China government. for every farking penny.
 
2020-04-10 7:45:40 AM  

AquaTatanka: bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs

Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.


Yeah guys just join the military. It's just about a paycheck, I doubt it will impact your life in any significant way.
 
2020-04-10 7:46:12 AM  
For those out there who really like private health insurance, please be aware that such a thing can still exist with a national single-payer program. Other countries do this.

The setup gives everyone access to basic healthcare, using the main public healthcare system. It allows private healthcare systems to be set up, typically with much shorter wait time, but the cost of the private healthcare is borne by the users, not subsidized by the general public (at least in theory).

The rich folks can still get theirs, but there's no blatant "fark you" to the poors.  Or maybe the lack of that last bit is the reason the GOP opposes the very idea...
 
2020-04-10 7:46:29 AM  
Womp Womp, just sell one of your vacation homes and buy private insurance, and if you did the standard medical inspections on your servants you should have an ample supply of organs if it becomes necessary.
 
2020-04-10 7:48:09 AM  
neongoats:

Clearly not.
 
2020-04-10 7:48:21 AM  
Pfft.   A lot more than 35 million have never had as much as $500 in the bank al at one time, so what is going BK going to do to them other than absolving them of the crippling credit card debt they have carried throughout their miserable lives?  Prevent them from taking their $1000 windfall COVID money and putting a down payment on a house?  Buy a new car they could never afford?

Start over.  Best thing that could have happened to them.

//but but but they won't be able to rent an apartment because now their are Special.  Here's some news:  When everyone is Special no one is.
 
2020-04-10 7:48:39 AM  

leeksfromchichis: The wealthy can afford medicine. The chemicals are in their blood.

If you feel ill, peckish, or are just bored on a Tuesday, eat a billionaire!


The real rich people are either too well marbled, or look like they could be tough enough that shoe leather might taste better. Well past grade A prime. Too aged.

Some of their wives, on the other hand.

Sigh, too bad you shouldn't play with your food.
 
2020-04-10 7:50:22 AM  

AquaTatanka: bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs

Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.


The military only recruits about 200,000 new soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines every year. What are the other several million people supposed to do?
 
2020-04-10 7:51:42 AM  

neongoats: AquaTatanka: bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs

Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.

You're not very farking familiar with most of America, are you?


Most of America doesn't make 9 bucks an hour.
 
2020-04-10 7:58:07 AM  

AquaTatanka: neongoats: AquaTatanka: bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs

Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.

You're not very farking familiar with most of America, are you?

Most of America doesn't make 9 bucks an hour.


Really? Tell us all how much most of America makes then, since you're so familiar with America and stuff.
 
2020-04-10 7:59:23 AM  

neongoats: AquaTatanka: bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs

Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.

You're not very farking familiar with most of America, are you?


People outside the US really don't understand the broad swath of poor people with no assets. I know of guys who commute five hours from a cheaper small town to drive Uber in the city. They'd share a cheap hotel room and drive one car in shifts, go back every week to wives and families where they can afford to live. Or back East, guys driving from Podunk to work construction jobs around the DC Metro Area. They can't afford to live in those places, they just send money home. This country is huge & is not a socialist democracy. It's the Wild Wild West, the Barbary Coast, there be pirates here. You've no clue whose been holding down the fort.
 
2020-04-10 8:03:41 AM  

AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs

Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.

The military only recruits about 200,000 new soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines every year. What are the other several million people supposed to do?

Find a skill beyond flipping burgers or running a cash register in a retail setting.  Americans are f******* lazy


When all of those people quit working in restaurants as waiters and chefs, where will you go out to eat?

When they quit working in bars and liquor stores, where will you buy your alcohol?

When they quit working in hardware stores, where will you get the stuff to maintain your home?

When they quit working in supermarkets, where will you get basic food ingredients to cook your own meals?

When they quit working at department stores, where will you buy your clothing?

When they quit working in warehouses, where will you buy stuff when the supply chain breaks down?

I'm not sure you've thought your "everyone should just get a better job" idea all the way through.
 
2020-04-10 8:04:18 AM  

Dinjiin: growinthings: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Why can't Trump not be a jackass and open enrollment in Obamacare or have emergency coverage of some kind for all of these laid off people or help firms pay work based coverage?

If you lose your job, you can continue to participate in your employer-sponsored health plan under COBRA.  You just have to pay the full price out of pocket as there are no ACA subsidies for COBRA.

Loss of employment is also one of the events that trigger a special ACA enrollment period.  You get 60 days from the date of termination to enroll a new plan.  So if you decide not to go the COBRA route, you can just hit an exchange.


And they could vacay in the Maldives too!  My COBRA cost would be a low, low $1800 per month.
 
2020-04-10 8:08:10 AM  

AquaTatanka: Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.


I had typed a long response... I don't really need to. I worked my way up - I held down a full time office job and a part time convenience store job for years, to make ends meet. During that time, it was STILL tight. If I had gotten laid off, I wouldn't have been able to afford a car payment, rent, food, insurance and COBRA. And that was working 70 hours a week. As I progressed, and started making money at the office job, it became easier, but it would STILL have been impossible to get laid off, and then pay COBRA out of the unemployment.

We're all entitled to our opinions. Maybe there is more to the situation than you see? Everyone is facing challenges. Not everyone is able to use the same solution to those challenges.
 
2020-04-10 8:09:14 AM  

bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?


Moving so that the unemployed spouse can find a better job means that the still employed spouse has to quit their job.  Not exactly a winning proposition.

And of course right now people are unemployed everywhere.  Where are they supposed to go?  Die, and decrease the surplus population?
 
2020-04-10 8:10:03 AM  
At least you all went with rapey skeletor over medicare grandpa.
 
2020-04-10 8:10:25 AM  

AngryDragon: Trump has mentioned opening up Medicare a couple times now.


his mouth writes checks his ass can't cash
 
2020-04-10 8:10:30 AM  

Serious Black: The military only recruits about 200,000 new soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines every year. What are the other several million people supposed to do?


Sounds like we need a really, really long war.
 
2020-04-10 8:10:32 AM  
30.  Whatever
 
2020-04-10 8:10:34 AM  
If only there had been a candidate who wanted to divorce health insurance from employment. A candidate who believes we needed to immediately overhaul our broken healthcare system to assist the millions of Americans living on the edge.

Oh well, better things aren't possible.
 
2020-04-10 8:11:35 AM  

Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?


COBRA was never actually intended to help regular people keep coverage in between jobs. Its just a sly way of telling people they have "choice" while in reality the choice is only there if you are making well into the six figures range at least.
 
2020-04-10 8:11:58 AM  
AquaTatanka:

"I have no sympathy"

And farkied
 
2020-04-10 8:12:05 AM  

Serious Black: I'm not sure you've thought your "everyone should just get a better job" idea all the way through.


If reactionaries ever thought anything through, they wouldn't be reactionaries.
 
2020-04-10 8:12:50 AM  
Ah, here is the quote I wanted to add to my post just a bit ago:.
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2020-04-10 8:13:34 AM  

AquaTatanka: I'm not going apologize for suggesting that a 26 year old woman have a better gig than $9/hr at 20 hours/wk.

People are lucky to keep a job during the pandemic and I'm not talking about that circumstance.  I'm talking about the fact that that was are circumstance before the pandemic probably.  I have no sympathy for people who graduated high school and did nothing more to better themselves.  Maybe sirius black could do better.


I hear guillotine manufacturers are hiring.
 
2020-04-10 8:14:05 AM  
It's so smart that our insurance is tied to our employer instead of from the government. So smart.
 
2020-04-10 8:14:06 AM  

Nimbull: Or you know, since insurance is really just a middle man to getting healthcare you can eliminate the need for it completely and just provide free healthcare to the whole country. I mean honestly if we can fund trillion dollar planes with huge repair costs we can easily provide healthcare to people.


Sigh... How many times does this have to be explained. In America, we always have enough money to hurt people. We never have enough money to help people.
 
2020-04-10 8:14:10 AM  

AquaTatanka: I'm not going apologize for suggesting that a 26 year old woman have a better gig than $9/hr at 20 hours/wk.

People are lucky to keep a job during the pandemic and I'm not talking about that circumstance.  I'm talking about the fact that that was are circumstance before the pandemic probably.  I have no sympathy for people who graduated high school and did nothing more to better themselves.  Maybe sirius black could do better.


We get it, you're out of touch with the vast majority of the situation in the US.  You don't need to keep digging the hole
 
2020-04-10 8:14:15 AM  

AquaTatanka: I'm not going apologize for suggesting that a 26 year old woman have a better gig than $9/hr at 20 hours/wk.

People are lucky to keep a job during the pandemic and I'm not talking about that circumstance.  I'm talking about the fact that that was are circumstance before the pandemic probably.  I have no sympathy for people who graduated high school and did nothing more to better themselves.  Maybe sirius black could do better.


You don't know their farking life.
 
2020-04-10 8:14:35 AM  
...so much misinformation and straight up lies in this thread... I don't even know where to begin...

Educate yourselves, folks.
 
2020-04-10 8:16:29 AM  

bobug: Ah, here is the quote I wanted to add to my post just a bit ago:.
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The reason the rich are rich (generally speaking - highly-paid individuals like athletes are different) is because they are able to steal the labour value from many other people.  This makes life harder for poor people, but nobody gets rich by saving money.
 
2020-04-10 8:16:43 AM  

AquaTatanka: I'm not going apologize for suggesting that a 26 year old woman have a better gig than $9/hr at 20 hours/wk.

People are lucky to keep a job during the pandemic and I'm not talking about that circumstance.  I'm talking about the fact that that was are circumstance before the pandemic probably.  I have no sympathy for people who graduated high school and did nothing more to better themselves.  Maybe sirius black could do better.


I would hate to be your friend, let alone to date you or be in a long-term relationship with you. You sound like a truly awful person. You sound like you have character as bad, if not worse, than the person currently inhabiting the White House. I wasn't sure that was possible before now, so congratulations on making me realize the error in my thinking.
 
2020-04-10 8:17:40 AM  

AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs

Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.

The military only recruits about 200,000 new soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines every year. What are the other several million people supposed to do?

Find a skill beyond flipping burgers or running a cash register in a retail setting.  Americans are f******* la ...


Is this throwback Friday? I haven't seen a comment so disconnected from the reality of the American economy in 2020 in a while.

Here's a hint: Look at the people working in lower end jobs in, say, grocery stores or fast food restaurants. Think back to when you were younger. Notice a difference? Yeah, the teenagers have been replaced by young and middle-aged adults. Why do you think that is? Because Americans all suddenly and collectively became lazy?

It seems like other explanations might be more compelling.
 
2020-04-10 8:18:23 AM  

Serious Black: AquaTatanka: I'm not going apologize for suggesting that a 26 year old woman have a better gig than $9/hr at 20 hours/wk.

People are lucky to keep a job during the pandemic and I'm not talking about that circumstance.  I'm talking about the fact that that was are circumstance before the pandemic probably.  I have no sympathy for people who graduated high school and did nothing more to better themselves.  Maybe sirius black could do better.

I would hate to be your friend, let alone to date you or be in a long-term relationship with you. You sound like a truly awful person. You sound like you have character as bad, if not worse, than the person currently inhabiting the White House. I wasn't sure that was possible before now, so congratulations on making me realize the error in my thinking.


Try moving out of the middle of a corn field.
 
2020-04-10 8:18:47 AM  

bobug: Ah, here is the quote I wanted to add to my post just a bit ago:.
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Finally, a lettered scholar weighs in.

I swear to whatever needs sworn at if everyone just read the Discworld, the world would be a better place.
 
2020-04-10 8:18:58 AM  
How many people in Canada lost their insurance this month?
 
2020-04-10 8:19:34 AM  

AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: I'm not going apologize for suggesting that a 26 year old woman have a better gig than $9/hr at 20 hours/wk.

People are lucky to keep a job during the pandemic and I'm not talking about that circumstance.  I'm talking about the fact that that was are circumstance before the pandemic probably.  I have no sympathy for people who graduated high school and did nothing more to better themselves.  Maybe sirius black could do better.

I would hate to be your friend, let alone to date you or be in a long-term relationship with you. You sound like a truly awful person. You sound like you have character as bad, if not worse, than the person currently inhabiting the White House. I wasn't sure that was possible before now, so congratulations on making me realize the error in my thinking.

Try moving out of the middle of a corn field.


"Why don't people just buy more money??"

You're clueless and disconnected from reality.
 
2020-04-10 8:26:03 AM  
Well I'm just gonna go over here and curl in a ball in the corner and weep for the future for a little bit.  Then I'm gonna order more chickens.

/Need some more cows too
//good on pigs
///plant your gardens right farking now, people
 
2020-04-10 8:26:40 AM  
AquaTatanka:

hey asshole, fark you.
 
2020-04-10 8:27:32 AM  

AquaTatanka: Ever one in this thread can go f**** themselves


Aaaw.
He mad.
 
2020-04-10 8:28:17 AM  

Tenedos2: ...so much misinformation and straight up lies in this thread... I don't even know where to begin...

Folks are bored and lonely, and lack any quality to get people to pay attention to them, because they don't apply themselves.  So they troll, because it works.  It doesn't really matter if they believe in what they say -- they very well might -- because the goal isn't to convince others.  They're not using reason or civil discourse.  They know what they say is upsetting, and say it in deliberately upsetting ways.  People respond, and the energy creature gets fed.

The ironic thing is that people with nothing better to do than to try to upset others, maximizing attention for minimal effort, are doing so by accusing others of being lazy.
 
2020-04-10 8:28:38 AM  

kbronsito: How many people in Canada lost their insurance this month?


For basic healthcare?  Not a single one.  Maybe for dental, but even that we usually get 30 day coverage after leaving a job.  Each plan is different depending on what your employer pays for.  See that's the thing, it's pretty much only dental or rrsp's that is offered as a benefit here.   So you are not forced to take a low paying job because "we offer you the healthcare"  I have worked a few times over the years for American based companies, and it's a joke to see what they get paid as a base wage compared to their Canadian counter parts.  Because of the health care issue, see I don't have to worry about it, I don't have to take a low paying job for health benefits.
Most of our health care benefits are for things that would be considered well "extra" stuff.

Never going to understand anyone who thinks that for profit healthcare is just dandy, it's inhumane.
 
2020-04-10 8:29:06 AM  
Glad after a long absence to see that fellow Farkers will still circle the wagons around their own against a completely unreasonable shiatstain.
 
2020-04-10 8:30:39 AM  
I'm still a little baffled that we actually have a, "Why don't the poor decide to not be poor" comment.

Those used to be very common around here but have become increasingly rare over the years.
 
2020-04-10 8:32:26 AM  

dragonchild: The ironic thing is that people with nothing better to do than to try to upset others, maximizing attention for minimal effort, are doing so by accusing others of being lazy.


I think we all understand that 99% of the big rich entrepreneurs we meet on Fark, boasting about their alleged wealth and productivity and excoriating others, are actually fat teenagers huddles in their maternal parents domicile, eating Cheetohs, or old drunks on disability.
It certainly isn't anything to get mad about, but it's fun to pull their covers.
 
2020-04-10 8:32:31 AM  

AquaTatanka: That was far too easy.  This place really is an echo chamber.  Everyone loves to hate the establishment.


Still waiting for those numbers. Tell us how much America makes, reprobate.
 
2020-04-10 8:33:29 AM  

AquaTatanka: That was far too easy.  This place really is an echo chamber.  Everyone loves to hate the establishment.


Oh my god. We now have a, "Ha, ha I trolled you" comment. Is this guy a time traveler from ten years ago.

Amazing!
 
2020-04-10 8:33:34 AM  
Should have thought of that before you shut down the whole country for an uncommon flu.........
 
2020-04-10 8:33:49 AM  

AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs

Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.

The military only recruits about 200,000 new soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines every year. What are the other several million people supposed to do?

Find a skill beyond flipping burgers or running a cash register in a retail setting.  Americans are f******* lazy


You mean the skills currently keeping us alive?
 
2020-04-10 8:36:26 AM  

AquaTatanka: /troll


"It's ok, I was only pretending to be an asshole."
 
2020-04-10 8:36:49 AM  

AquaTatanka: neongoats: AquaTatanka: That was far too easy.  This place really is an echo chamber.  Everyone loves to hate the establishment.

Still waiting for those numbers. Tell us how much America makes, reprobate.

No man I'm going to bed.  this was hilarious.

Feel free to hold a grudge because I don't care


You are a trip. It's like watching a 15 year-old post in 2005.

Off to the gym next?
 
2020-04-10 8:38:10 AM  

irocu88: Should have thought of that before you shut down the whole country for an uncommon flu.........


Oh you sweet summer child.
 
2020-04-10 8:38:58 AM  

AquaTatanka: neongoats: AquaTatanka: That was far too easy.  This place really is an echo chamber.  Everyone loves to hate the establishment.

Still waiting for those numbers. Tell us how much America makes, reprobate.

No man I'm going to bed.  this was hilarious.

Feel free to hold a grudge because I don't care


feel free to get farked, get coughed on and get the fark out then.
 
2020-04-10 8:40:44 AM  

AquaTatanka: Ever one in this thread can go f**** themselves


My family member is in the ICU, with COVID, still unconscious, and on all kinds of machines, and meds. Crazy ridonkulous meds. She won't have to pay a thing for any of it. She is in the hospital!!! Unconscious!! it would be insane to make her pay for it.

The hospitalization is covered by the government.

She is low income, unemployed at the time she got sick. But between OHIP and her daughter's union plan, if she survives and goes home, her daughter's union coverage will mean all her meds and physiotherapy will be covered. (They live together).

My family member who is in the hospital is diabetic. Her daughter's union coverage means she doesn't pay for the insulin. Without her daughter's coverage, we have government programs like ODSP that would cover it, at her low income level.
 
2020-04-10 8:42:17 AM  

jso2897: AquaTatanka: Ever one in this thread can go f**** themselves

Aaaw.
He mad.


And he's exactly what the "ignore" list was made for.
 
2020-04-10 8:43:27 AM  
Ladyofthenorth:Canada is a wasteland when it comes to healthcare.

Ya, love my country and the systems we have to help our people. So grateful to live here and that is the honest truth.


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2020-04-10 8:48:39 AM  
This is the whole point. You have to accept work or you don't get health care. This lets them abuse you more because if you quit, you don't have health care.

This is also why they're against ACA, or M4A, or anything else that might let you be less of a slave.
 
2020-04-10 8:51:02 AM  

pkjun: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

No, there should be a federal law allowing them to use Medicare.

Sitting outside the US, COBRA looks like a sort of joke America plays on its citizens. Oh, you've lost your job? Sorry to hear you now have no income. The good news is you can still have your crappy, frustrating health insurance! You just need to pay five times more for it than you used to.

Can't afford that? Better go buy some more money, stupid poor.


When your employers insurance option is posted next to the osha posters in the breakroom, that's cobra
 
2020-04-10 8:51:35 AM  

jso2897: I think we all understand that 99% of the big rich entrepreneurs we meet on Fark, boasting about their alleged wealth and productivity and excoriating others, are actually fat teenagers huddles in their maternal parents domicile, eating Cheetohs, or old drunks on disability.
It certainly isn't anything to get mad about, but it's fun to pull their covers.

They don't need to be fat, or of a certain age, or living with their parents, or disabled.  Could be making a decent living.  Probably not healthy, though.

The main requirement is depression of the self-loathing sort (which is vehemently denied because it involves introspection and the whole point of trolling is doing anything to avoid that pain).  A dead-end existence, devoid of purpose or real intimacy.  I know this because I've been there.  I just stopped trolling at some point when I realized pulling others into the dark hole I insisted on staying in didn't make me feel good enough to justify the downsides.
 
2020-04-10 8:53:41 AM  

eiger: AquaTatanka: That was far too easy.  This place really is an echo chamber.  Everyone loves to hate the establishment.

Oh my god. We now have a, "Ha, ha I trolled you" comment. Is this guy a time traveler from ten years ago.

Amazing!


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/ah ha ha, the Lulz iz ded
 
2020-04-10 8:54:17 AM  

AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs

Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.

The military only recruits about 200,000 new soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines every year. What are the other several million people supposed to do?

Find a skill beyond flipping burgers or running a cash register in a retail setting.  Americans are f******* la ...


Hey look, another person who understands cash registers and burger flipping are necessary but demands that whoever works them should be poor.
 
2020-04-10 8:56:40 AM  
I'm sure that there are some hard-core Randroids all hunkered in their Galt-Gulch bunkers, who are furiously fapping right now.


"Burden not Columbia with your chaff!"
 
2020-04-10 9:01:09 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: SomeAmerican: Think about the pandemic from the insurers point of view for a second.

They get monthly revenue from employer premiums.

16 million people just suddenly stopped paying premiums.

Plus health claims are suddenly skyrocketing.

The commercial market works worst when it is needed most.

Health insurance companies are making bank during this pandemic.  Everyone is still paying premiums, but overall medical services have plummeted.  Doctors and nurses are getting laid off all over America.

When the Coronavirus claims do roll in, they'll all be for short stays and some ICU.  That's peanuts compared to, say, a kidney transplant bill.


The vast majority of the 18 million people who were just laid off absolutely are not still paying premiums.
 
2020-04-10 9:06:07 AM  

meanmutton: Marcus Aurelius: SomeAmerican: Think about the pandemic from the insurers point of view for a second.

They get monthly revenue from employer premiums.

16 million people just suddenly stopped paying premiums.

Plus health claims are suddenly skyrocketing.

The commercial market works worst when it is needed most.

Health insurance companies are making bank during this pandemic.  Everyone is still paying premiums, but overall medical services have plummeted.  Doctors and nurses are getting laid off all over America.

When the Coronavirus claims do roll in, they'll all be for short stays and some ICU.  That's peanuts compared to, say, a kidney transplant bill.

The vast majority of the 18 million people who were just laid off absolutely are not still paying premiums.


They can still turn a tidy profit if they can avoid providing any of the services they normally would.  AND they can still wail for that sweet, sweet bailout money.  It's a  win-win situation for them.
 
2020-04-10 9:07:06 AM  

numbers17: It's like there was a candidate for the Democratic primary that talked about this kind of stuff. Oh well, might as go with the other guy who said he would veto a plan that covers everyone.


No, he didn't say that. He said he would veto one specific plan which would include eliminating all private insurance. He has repeatedly said that he would support a universal plan which allowed everyone to choose a public, government-run plan if they wanted.
 
2020-04-10 9:07:13 AM  
Well clearly the solution is to vote for Biden so he can cram Obamacare2.0 down our throats with even higher premiums and deductibles than ever before! WOOOOHOOOO!!

/ for something called "the affordable care act", it sure did a good job of making healthcare unaffordable to everyone who didn't have an employer subsidizing it
 
2020-04-10 9:09:11 AM  

DarnoKonrad: Nothing will fundamentally change.


Not until politicians and their families and friends start dying no
 
2020-04-10 9:13:54 AM  

AquaTatanka: bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs

Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.


Counter point.
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Just because someone cleans toilets does not mean they deserve to be treated like scum. And all of us should be cleaning toilets. It is a good reminder that your shiat stinks like everyone else's.
 
2020-04-10 9:16:39 AM  

Serious Black: Lucky LaRue: pkjun: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

No, there should be a federal law allowing them to use Medicare.

Isnt that called Medicaid?

Doesn't work in my state. Households whose income falls above 38% of the federal poverty level, $9,956 in 2020, don't qualify for Medicaid in Kansas. Childless adults don't qualify even if their income is $0. And because the tax credits that defray the cost of policies purchased on the exchange don't kick in until you reach the federal poverty level, they get no help there either.


So a program designed to help poor people is not available to those people because of government rules and regulation?

Well, I can certainly see why so many people want the government to control all of healthcare....
 
2020-04-10 9:18:02 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Dinjiin: growinthings: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Why can't Trump not be a jackass and open enrollment in Obamacare or have emergency coverage of some kind for all of these laid off people or help firms pay work based coverage?

If you lose your job, you can continue to participate in your employer-sponsored health plan under COBRA.  You just have to pay the full price out of pocket as there are no ACA subsidies for COBRA.

Loss of employment is also one of the events that trigger a special ACA enrollment period.  You get 60 days from the date of termination to enroll a new plan.  So if you decide not to go the COBRA route, you can just hit an exchange.

COBRA is a farking joke.


That it is.  When I was much younger and was out of work for a few months, my COBRA premium would have been something like $800/mo.  I just went without as that was an outrageous price.
 
2020-04-10 9:18:20 AM  

leeksfromchichis: AquaTatanka:

"I have no sympathy"

And farkied


There's a better button for assholes of that type.
 
2020-04-10 9:27:24 AM  
Both sides are bad, so I support Donald Trump!
 
2020-04-10 9:33:53 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Dinjiin: growinthings: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Why can't Trump not be a jackass and open enrollment in Obamacare or have emergency coverage of some kind for all of these laid off people or help firms pay work based coverage?

If you lose your job, you can continue to participate in your employer-sponsored health plan under COBRA.  You just have to pay the full price out of pocket as there are no ACA subsidies for COBRA.

Loss of employment is also one of the events that trigger a special ACA enrollment period.  You get 60 days from the date of termination to enroll a new plan.  So if you decide not to go the COBRA route, you can just hit an exchange.

COBRA is a farking joke.


My wife, a physician, got fired for  being sick. Found a new job immediately but it takes 3 months for insurance clearance and stuff before she can work. Her sign on bonus went to COBRA coverage doe the family to the tune of $8K/mo so that bonus just disappeared in order for her to have her meds. It would have been cheaper to pay the $3K/mo out of pocket on meds except we were gambling she wouldnt get sick again and hit us with a $25K hospital bill. And I'm still spending 2 hours dealing with $14 HSA charges to get my account unlocked.

Burn the whole inhumane system down. With the insuranc execs inside.
 
2020-04-10 9:39:40 AM  
Thanks China.
 
2020-04-10 9:39:58 AM  
TelemonianAjax:

Nero had a nice recipe for tar shirts that turned undesirables into torches.

Burn the system down WITH the insurance executives as the match.
 
2020-04-10 9:41:38 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Serious Black: Lucky LaRue: pkjun: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

No, there should be a federal law allowing them to use Medicare.

Isnt that called Medicaid?

Doesn't work in my state. Households whose income falls above 38% of the federal poverty level, $9,956 in 2020, don't qualify for Medicaid in Kansas. Childless adults don't qualify even if their income is $0. And because the tax credits that defray the cost of policies purchased on the exchange don't kick in until you reach the federal poverty level, they get no help there either.

So a program designed to help poor people is not available to those people because of government rules and regulation?

Well, I can certainly see why so many people want the government to control all of healthcare....


If my state would accept funding from the federal government to expand Medicaid, the problem wouldn't exist because it would be able to cover families making up to about $36,000 a year. The problem is now entirely because of recalcitrant Republican leaders, in particular Susan Wagle, who refuse to let Medicaid expansion bills come up for a vote.
 
2020-04-10 9:42:16 AM  

feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.


They forgot to write that one so that it doesn't cause bankruptcy and homelessness in and of itself, of course...

Funny how all roads - whether you work hard or not, have an education or not - seem to lead to bankruptcy and homelessness in America...
 
2020-04-10 9:42:30 AM  

someonelse: AquaTatanka: /troll

"It's ok, I was only pretending to be an asshole."


Oh, was he born again or something?
 
2020-04-10 9:44:25 AM  

Serious Black: Lucky LaRue: Serious Black: Lucky LaRue: pkjun: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

No, there should be a federal law allowing them to use Medicare.

Isnt that called Medicaid?

Doesn't work in my state. Households whose income falls above 38% of the federal poverty level, $9,956 in 2020, don't qualify for Medicaid in Kansas. Childless adults don't qualify even if their income is $0. And because the tax credits that defray the cost of policies purchased on the exchange don't kick in until you reach the federal poverty level, they get no help there either.

So a program designed to help poor people is not available to those people because of government rules and regulation?

Well, I can certainly see why so many people want the government to control all of healthcare....

If my state would accept funding from the federal government to expand Medicaid, the problem wouldn't exist because it would be able to cover families making up to about $36,000 a year. The problem is now entirely because of recalcitrant Republican leaders, in particular Susan Wagle, who refuse to let Medicaid expansion bills come up for a vote.


For anyone wondering why this is, it isn't even really ideological on the right-wingers' part.  It's more about the downward pressure on wages that can be exerted if you're too afraid to be jobless for even a month or two because you'll lose your insurance if you dare to leave a job that isn't treating you well.  That benefits political donors, especially but hardly exclusively GOP ones.
 
2020-04-10 9:45:28 AM  

kbronsito: How many people in Canada lost their insurance this month?


How many people in Canada are uninsured?  Almost all of them!
 
2020-04-10 9:47:57 AM  

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: jso2897: AquaTatanka: Ever one in this thread can go f**** themselves

Aaaw.
He mad.

And he's exactly what the "ignore" list was made for.


I don't use it. But I don't blame those who do.
 
2020-04-10 9:48:24 AM  
Between 35 and 12 million Americans? Big spread.
 
2020-04-10 9:50:07 AM  

Dinjiin: That it is. When I was much younger and was out of work for a few months, my COBRA premium would have been something like $800/mo. I just went without as that was an outrageous price.


That sounds like a good gamble when you are young.  The catch is that any health problem you had under the old insurance that comes back later is now a pre-existing condition for which you did not have "continuous coverage."  You may think that only applies to chronic illnesses or conditions, but health insurance companies are quite willing to call a broken leg a pre-existing condition if it happens again, or demand that you prove that this year's flu was not a pre-existing condition, etc.
 
2020-04-10 9:59:55 AM  

Serious Black: Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself.
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not to threadjack, but a married 26 yr old was offered to be added to her parent's insurance? - am I reading that right?
 
2020-04-10 10:00:26 AM  

AngryDragon: The Democrats and Joe Biden? Because Trump has mentioned opening up Medicare a couple times now.


As we all know, saying you're going to do something is the same thing as doing it.

/See also: Discussed/proclaimed X; Made/drafted plans for X; Held meetings on X; Created/attended/led a task force/working group/commission for X; Worked to do X...

//Pretty sure he also mentioned Mexico paying for the wall
 
2020-04-10 10:02:54 AM  

flondrix: How many people in Canada are uninsured? Almost all of them!


Guess again.
 
2020-04-10 10:05:58 AM  

eiger: I'm still a little baffled that we actually have a, "Why don't the poor decide to not be poor" comment.

Those used to be very common around here but have become increasingly rare over the years.


Did some of the people who used to make them become poor?
 
2020-04-10 10:10:06 AM  

nanim: Serious Black: Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself.
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not to threadjack, but a married 26 yr old was offered to be added to her parent's insurance? - am I reading that right?


We are not married. We could get married if the courts were open, and then I could add her to my insurance plan.
 
2020-04-10 10:21:24 AM  

flondrix: Dinjiin: That it is. When I was much younger and was out of work for a few months, my COBRA premium would have been something like $800/mo. I just went without as that was an outrageous price.

That sounds like a good gamble when you are young.  The catch is that any health problem you had under the old insurance that comes back later is now a pre-existing condition for which you did not have "continuous coverage."  You may think that only applies to chronic illnesses or conditions, but health insurance companies are quite willing to call a broken leg a pre-existing condition if it happens again, or demand that you prove that this year's flu was not a pre-existing condition, etc.


Neither of my employer sponsored plans since that lapse have given me grief regarding pre-existing conditions.  It has never come up even once.  I'm betting that there is a wide variance between insurers and what conditions trigger the extra scrutiny.
 
2020-04-10 10:26:19 AM  

ajgeek: AquaTatanka: bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs

Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.

Counter point.
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Just because someone cleans toilets does not mean they deserve to be treated like scum. And all of us should be cleaning toilets. It is a good reminder that your shiat stinks like everyone else's.


I was raised by a piece of shiat that believed stuff like the garbage bag you reply too.  It took me more than a decade being outside of his shiatty influence to realize how shiat my beliefs were and to rise above looking down on people who work mundane jobs as if they are my lessors.  The best part was dad's incredibly hypocritical view of how those elites looked down on HIM!  Man did he hate that, as he looked down his nose at all the lessor people around him.

Flipping burgers, ringing people up, stocking shelves, cleaning floor, this is all necessary and honest work and should make someone enough to live on like a person not a tool or slave.  Simple stuff.  Unchain people from health care, pay them enough to live.  Educate them and their children for free so they might aspire to climb higher without being chained by unending debt.  Simple stuff really and the most basic fruit a good society should provide.
 
2020-04-10 10:27:35 AM  

neongoats: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: I'm not going apologize for suggesting that a 26 year old woman have a better gig than $9/hr at 20 hours/wk.

People are lucky to keep a job during the pandemic and I'm not talking about that circumstance.  I'm talking about the fact that that was are circumstance before the pandemic probably.  I have no sympathy for people who graduated high school and did nothing more to better themselves.  Maybe sirius black could do better.

I would hate to be your friend, let alone to date you or be in a long-term relationship with you. You sound like a truly awful person. You sound like you have character as bad, if not worse, than the person currently inhabiting the White House. I wasn't sure that was possible before now, so congratulations on making me realize the error in my thinking.

Try moving out of the middle of a corn field.

"Why don't people just buy more money??"

You're clueless and disconnected from reality.


Just stop engaging it.
 
2020-04-10 10:37:48 AM  

AquaTatanka: bobug: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: Serious Black: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself. If she still had her job, that would be about 50% of her gross pay. Instead, she just lost her job because of COVID-19, so she's on unemployment. How the hell is she supposed to pay that premium, let alone all of the cost sharing that goes along with it?

1100 bucks a month sounds like a really shiatty job.   Where does she work making $6.34 for an hour?

It's $9/hour, plus a little bit of commissions for sales she makes, at an average of about 30 hours a week because few places in town actually offer 40 hour a week jobs.

Sounds like you need to move to someplace with better jobs or get an education or both.

Picking up trash  Pays better than that

Probably depends where you live. And, you gloss over the fact that moving costs money. Getting a new apartment costs money - deposits, moving expenses. But, hey, if people can't spend their way out of poverty, it's their fault, right?

/attacking people for not being able to afford health car is pretty low, fellow farker
//instead of blaming the people affected by poor policy and years of systematic attempts to destroy government infrastructure, made by Republicans, let's focus on how to fix the real issue?
///sighs

Yes our economy has issues.

Forgiven for not having much sympathy for a part time worker making 9 bucks an hour in a country where anyone that really wants to can aim a little bit higher.   The military pays better.


"E1s with less than two years experience earn an annual salary of $19,660"

Yeah, what a massive entry salary to go got shot at in some third world desert for no discernable reason and to be yelled at by some skinhead flyover trash, where do I sign up.
 
2020-04-10 10:41:22 AM  
Number of people kicked off of health insurance because of job loss or revenue loss due to the virus:
USA: 35 Million
Everywhere else: 0

I guess that's just the way it is.....the bootstrap plant shut down because it was non-essential
 
2020-04-10 10:41:51 AM  

meanmutton: numbers17: It's like there was a candidate for the Democratic primary that talked about this kind of stuff. Oh well, might as go with the other guy who said he would veto a plan that covers everyone.

No, he didn't say that. He said he would veto one specific plan which would include eliminating all private insurance. He has repeatedly said that he would support a universal plan which allowed everyone to choose a public, government-run plan if they wanted.


The UK has private health insurance covering "diseases of the rich", right?  We could do that.
 
2020-04-10 10:45:28 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Serious Black: Lucky LaRue: pkjun: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

No, there should be a federal law allowing them to use Medicare.

Isnt that called Medicaid?

Doesn't work in my state. Households whose income falls above 38% of the federal poverty level, $9,956 in 2020, don't qualify for Medicaid in Kansas. Childless adults don't qualify even if their income is $0. And because the tax credits that defray the cost of policies purchased on the exchange don't kick in until you reach the federal poverty level, they get no help there either.

So a program designed to help poor people is not available to those people because of government rules and regulation?


Because people like you made sure that it isn't.

Well, I can certainly see why so many people want the government to control all of healthcare....

Not all of healthcare.  The UK has a private, for-profit health care system specializing in diseases of the rich.
 
2020-04-10 10:50:59 AM  

INTERTRON: flondrix: How many people in Canada are uninsured? Almost all of them!

Guess again.


OK then, how many Canadians have to deal with health insurance bullshiat?  I thought never encountering the words "health insurance" or "medical bill" except when talking to yanks was one of the great benefits of being a Canadian citizen.  I said "almost all" because I figured there would be some weird exceptions, people sent up there by American oil companies and not covered by the system or something.
 
2020-04-10 11:14:58 AM  

Serious Black: nanim: Serious Black: Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself.
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not to threadjack, but a married 26 yr old was offered to be added to her parent's insurance? - am I reading that right?

We are not married. We could get married if the courts were open, and then I could add her to my insurance plan.


You'll be appalled at how much that will cost.
My wife has better insurance than I do. Much better. To add me to her plan, it would eat 2/3 of her paycheck.
To add Sophont Jr, she'd have to pay them every two weeks for the privilege of working there.
 
2020-04-10 11:53:42 AM  

AquaTatanka: Serious Black: AquaTatanka: I'm not going apologize for suggesting that a 26 year old woman have a better gig than $9/hr at 20 hours/wk.

People are lucky to keep a job during the pandemic and I'm not talking about that circumstance.  I'm talking about the fact that that was are circumstance before the pandemic probably.  I have no sympathy for people who graduated high school and did nothing more to better themselves.  Maybe sirius black could do better.

I would hate to be your friend, let alone to date you or be in a long-term relationship with you. You sound like a truly awful person. You sound like you have character as bad, if not worse, than the person currently inhabiting the White House. I wasn't sure that was possible before now, so congratulations on making me realize the error in my thinking.

Try moving out of the middle of a corn field.


how about try not being such an insufferable arsehole?  What the fark is wrong with you..

i hope if you ever fall on hard times, someone else gives you the same level of sympathy and understanding you have shown to SB.

troll on douchebag
 
2020-04-10 12:10:45 PM  

Sophont: Serious Black: nanim: Serious Black: Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself.
---

not to threadjack, but a married 26 yr old was offered to be added to her parent's insurance? - am I reading that right?

We are not married. We could get married if the courts were open, and then I could add her to my insurance plan.

You'll be appalled at how much that will cost.
My wife has better insurance than I do. Much better. To add me to her plan, it would eat 2/3 of her paycheck.
To add Sophont Jr, she'd have to pay them every two weeks for the privilege of working there.


Are any of the other employees where she works married or have families?  It seems that this would have come up by now.
 
Ant
2020-04-10 12:30:15 PM  

pkjun: Sitting outside the US, COBRA looks like a sort of joke America plays on its citizens.


It looks that way sitting inside the US too.
 
2020-04-10 12:32:32 PM  

Sophont: Serious Black: nanim: Serious Black: Ms. Black recently turned 26. Her parents' health insurance company offered her COBRA coverage. It's about $550 a month just for herself.
---

not to threadjack, but a married 26 yr old was offered to be added to her parent's insurance? - am I reading that right?

We are not married. We could get married if the courts were open, and then I could add her to my insurance plan.

You'll be appalled at how much that will cost.
My wife has better insurance than I do. Much better. To add me to her plan, it would eat 2/3 of her paycheck.
To add Sophont Jr, she'd have to pay them every two weeks for the privilege of working there.


It might be better from a cost-sharing perspective in that we would have a lower deductible and out-of-pocket maximum if we're on the same plan, plus we wouldn't have to manage two different companies to cover our health care. It will almost certainly be better from a premium perspective to get her her own plan from the exchanges, especially since she's legally single at the moment, she's young, and her pay qualifies her for a sizeable subsidy.
 
2020-04-10 12:36:11 PM  
I have it on very good authority that several years ago we "fixed" health care in this country by forcing everyone to become customers of those who farked it up in the first place, so this is all obviously nonsense . . .
 
2020-04-10 12:44:55 PM  

EmmaLou: If you live in a state with expanded Medicaid, you might get good coverage for a very affordable monthly payment. I'd check there before looking at the exchange.


You can actually do both at the same time. At least here in Oregon, when you go online to enroll in an exchange plan, you can also check a box to see if you qualify for medicaid.
 
2020-04-10 1:12:38 PM  

leeksfromchichis: TelemonianAjax:

Nero had a nice recipe for tar shirts that turned undesirables into torches.

Burn the system down WITH the insurance executives as the match.


I like the way you think, sir.
 
2020-04-10 2:10:52 PM  

feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.


Everybody thinks this a joke by Fecks, but I think he's serious.

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Laid-off employees who had employer-provided health care are certainly covered by COBRA, if they can afford to pay 4-5x their previous premiums. So, in other words, they can't.
 
2020-04-10 3:08:13 PM  

ElizaDoolittle: feckingmorons: There should be a federal law allowing them to continue the health insurance themselves.

Everybody thinks this a joke by Fecks, but I think he's serious.

[Fark user image 850x212]Laid-off employees who had employer-provided health care are certainly covered by COBRA, if they can afford to pay 4-5x their previous premiums. So, in other words, they can't.


That's potentially part of the problem with health care in the US.  People who have the majority of their health insurance costs covered by their employer are more likely to have an obfuscated understanding of insurance costs.  Since those same people often tend to be more affluent and have a greater proportional influence on politics, the people outside that group end up getting screwed over.

I bet that if the tax structure was changed to disincentive employer subsidized insurance to where most people had to pay the full burden directly out of pocket, the outrage would be immense.
 
2020-04-10 4:23:52 PM  
All those foils who answered the polss that asked "Are you satisfied with your health insurance, and don't want single payer, Medicare for All"... so, how you feelin' 'bout that now?

Put the medical insurers out of business.
 
2020-04-10 6:28:03 PM  
So Aquatatanka's comment was deleted? And therefore my reply was deleted too?  I thought my reply to it was rather good. Is it that Fark doesn't want us to know how the Canadian system isn't a fantasy land, and it is real?

Aquatatanka's comment didn't look like it was breaking any rules.
 
2020-04-10 6:35:30 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: So Aquatatanka's comment was deleted? And therefore my reply was deleted too?  I thought my reply to it was rather good. Is it that Fark doesn't want us to know how the Canadian system isn't a fantasy land, and it is real?

Aquatatanka's comment didn't look like it was breaking any rules.


It cancelled a cool burn of mine, too, but I consider it a worthy Work of Mercy for Aqua's sake, Amen.
 
2020-04-10 7:17:32 PM  

Mithraic_bullshiat: Bennie Crabtree: So Aquatatanka's comment was deleted? And therefore my reply was deleted too?  I thought my reply to it was rather good. Is it that Fark doesn't want us to know how the Canadian system isn't a fantasy land, and it is real?

Aquatatanka's comment didn't look like it was breaking any rules.

It cancelled a cool burn of mine, too, but I consider it a worthy Work of Mercy for Aqua's sake, Amen.


So it wasn't just me.
 
2020-04-10 8:22:46 PM  

Dinjiin: ElizaDoolittle:
That's potentially part of the problem with health care in the US.  People who have the majority of their health insurance costs covered by their employer are more likely to have an obfuscated understanding of insurance costs.  Since those same people often tend to be more affluent and have a greater proportional influence on politics, the people outside that group end up getting screwed over.

I bet that if the tax structure was changed to disincentive employer subsidized insurance to where most people had to pay the full burden directly out of pocket, the outrage would be immense.


I know. I have been trying to understand why so many Americans are afraid of UHC. A great many of them grumble about their increasing deductibles and premiums, but most of them have no idea what it would cost them as unemployed individuals, or individuals who don't get amazing health insurance from their employers.

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I am astonished about how naive I was when I decided to quit at 40.  I genuinely thought individual health insurance cost about $250/mo, had no deductibles - maybe a $20 co-pay. It wasn't a question I had really pondered. I'd always had gold-level health insurance from my previous employers, and I was accustomed to thinking, well, maybe $300/mo if I'm not employed by a big company.

Boy was I wrong. It was the biggest retirement planning mistake I ever made. Yes, that includes 2008 and the last few weeks on the stock market. I simply hadn't a clue how much my employer paid towards my premiums.

Of course, it's not just C-suite execs who get these untaxed benefits. Major unions get them too. That's probably why we will never get universal health care in this country. Half the country is covered and does not care if the other half is not.
 
2020-04-10 9:20:19 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Marcus Aurelius: Forcing your employees to get their health care through your company is a great way to enslave people.

I heard an interview with Mark Cuban, who of course is against socialized healthcare. He was going in about how even if his employees didn't like working for him, they stayed for the health insurance he offers. What a piece of shiat.


Was that on the Worst Year Ever podcast? Cuban talks a smooth game but I had several WTF moments listening to that (and coming from a non-American perspective).
 
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