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2020-04-09 3:57:58 AM  
Headline FTA: Biden moves quickly to exorcise 'the ghosts of 2016'

I have been staying off FARK pol tab and using this quarantine downtime to do some much-needed home repairs. So this article was very timely...

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2020-04-09 4:51:32 AM  
Call me when he adopts much needed national policies like Medicare For All and selects a progressive Vice President. I don't care about his relationship with Bernie (Bernie actually endorsed Hillary in 2016 and campaigned hard for her), I do care about the policies he will actually support. Who Biden picks as his Veep will matter since he's probably going to die in office of natural causes (and he's admitted as such).
 
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2020-04-09 5:10:31 AM  

misanthropicsob: Call me when he adopts much needed national policies like Medicare For All and selects a progressive Vice President. I don't care about his relationship with Bernie (Bernie actually endorsed Hillary in 2016 and campaigned hard for her), I do care about the policies he will actually support. Who Biden picks as his Veep will matter since he's probably going to die in office of natural causes (and he's admitted as such).


M4A didn't work for Bernie, why should Biden adopt it?

Getting rid of private insurance isn't popular with the majority of Democrats, much less with voters overall.  It would never make it through congress anyway so why waste political capital on it?
 
2020-04-09 6:00:42 AM  

vpb: misanthropicsob: Call me when he adopts much needed national policies like Medicare For All and selects a progressive Vice President. I don't care about his relationship with Bernie (Bernie actually endorsed Hillary in 2016 and campaigned hard for her), I do care about the policies he will actually support. Who Biden picks as his Veep will matter since he's probably going to die in office of natural causes (and he's admitted as such).

M4A didn't work for Bernie, why should Biden adopt it?

Getting rid of private insurance isn't popular with the majority of Democrats, much less with voters overall.  It would never make it through congress anyway so why waste political capital on it?


Medicare For All is popular with a majority of voters (link goes to Kaiser Family Foundation study in April 2020) including 8 in 10 Democrats. However, most people still think they will be able to keep their health insurance. What they really want to keep us their doctors. Which should be possible if we eliminated all health insurance and forced doctors to accept the national plan.

But, sure, don't adopt a popular-with-the-majority-of-voters po​licy. Some will even vote for Biden without it. I mean, I won't be voting for Biden if he doesn't support it and doesn't choose a Veep who supports it, but others will I'm sure. And maybe you'll win. Good luck!
 
2020-04-09 6:23:49 AM  
"He's inspired and energized millions of supporters, especially young voters people, to join him in championing a progressive vision for our country.

FTFY.
 
2020-04-09 7:27:54 AM  
I work with a dyed in the wool Bernie Bro.  I had him convinced to vote for Liz if she won, but he'll die before he votes for Biden.

He wants a very progressive candidate, he is due for a lifetime of disappointment.

//I just wish we had a candidate who wasn't suffering from dementia.
//45-65 is the right age range, I think
 
2020-04-09 7:29:53 AM  
It's nice to get back to the usual "pick the lesser of two evils" voting instead of having a candidate who inspires people.

That warm blanket of bygone mediocrity.
 
2020-04-09 7:46:20 AM  
These are good first steps, but I'm afraid he'll need to do something about the violent mob that call themselves his supporters. They've been very rude to me on twitter.
 
2020-04-09 7:47:18 AM  
The two men spoke midday and had a friendly conversation, said aides, who went out of their way to avoid sniping at Sanders.

Politico basically admits they tried to start some shiat.
 
2020-04-09 7:49:14 AM  

croesius: It's nice to get back to the usual "pick the lesser of two evils" voting instead of having a candidate who inspires people.

That warm blanket of bygone mediocrity.


If you think Biden is "evil", you're worthless.

If you think even an "evil Biden" is in the same farking galaxy as Trump, you're a piece of shiat.

Are you a worthless piece of shiat?
 
2020-04-09 7:50:09 AM  
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2020-04-09 7:50:45 AM  
I mean, anyone who can sit here after watching Trump for the last month and go "b-b-but Biden" simply needs to do the only worthwhile thing they'll ever accomplish and die, thereby making the world a better place.
 
2020-04-09 7:51:21 AM  

misanthropicsob: Call me when he adopts much needed national policies like Medicare For All and selects a progressive Vice President. I don't care about his relationship with Bernie (Bernie actually endorsed Hillary in 2016 and campaigned hard for her), I do care about the policies he will actually support. Who Biden picks as his Veep will matter since he's probably going to die in office of natural causes (and he's admitted as such).


Wait, so you'll vote for Trump?

misanthropicsob: vpb: misanthropicsob: Call me when he adopts much needed national policies like Medicare For All and selects a progressive Vice President. I don't care about his relationship with Bernie (Bernie actually endorsed Hillary in 2016 and campaigned hard for her), I do care about the policies he will actually support. Who Biden picks as his Veep will matter since he's probably going to die in office of natural causes (and he's admitted as such).

M4A didn't work for Bernie, why should Biden adopt it?

Getting rid of private insurance isn't popular with the majority of Democrats, much less with voters overall.  It would never make it through congress anyway so why waste political capital on it?

Medicare For All is popular with a majority of voters (link goes to Kaiser Family Foundation study in April 2020) including 8 in 10 Democrats. However, most people still think they will be able to keep their health insurance. What they really want to keep us their doctors. Which should be possible if we eliminated all health insurance and forced doctors to accept the national plan.

But, sure, don't adopt a popular-with-the-majority-of-voters po​licy. Some will even vote for Biden without it. I mean, I won't be voting for Biden if he doesn't support it and doesn't choose a Veep who supports it, but others will I'm sure. And maybe you'll win. Good luck!



Wait, so you'll be voting for Trump?
 
2020-04-09 7:51:30 AM  
I'm sure this will be enough to please the bro following. They can't possibly be so fervently opposed to anything not sanders that they would tacitly support the current administration instead, right?
 
2020-04-09 7:52:40 AM  

croesius: It's nice to get back to the usual "pick the lesser of two evils" voting instead of having a candidate who inspires people.

That warm blanket of bygone mediocrity.


Biden inspired people to vote for him. Bernie did not.

/Besides the party he belongs to, the President is almost irrelevant anyway. What matters is getting as many progressives into Congress as possible.
//Real progress takes time, persistence and a shiatload of work. An unfortunate number of progressives seem not to realize that, and think that taking their ball and going home when they don't win the big race will be anything but counterproductive.
 
2020-04-09 7:52:51 AM  

nuts!: misanthropicsob: Call me when he adopts much needed national policies like Medicare For All and selects a progressive Vice President. I don't care about his relationship with Bernie (Bernie actually endorsed Hillary in 2016 and campaigned hard for her), I do care about the policies he will actually support. Who Biden picks as his Veep will matter since he's probably going to die in office of natural causes (and he's admitted as such).

Wait, so you'll vote for Trump?misanthropicsob: vpb: misanthropicsob: Call me when he adopts much needed national policies like Medicare For All and selects a progressive Vice President. I don't care about his relationship with Bernie (Bernie actually endorsed Hillary in 2016 and campaigned hard for her), I do care about the policies he will actually support. Who Biden picks as his Veep will matter since he's probably going to die in office of natural causes (and he's admitted as such).

M4A didn't work for Bernie, why should Biden adopt it?

Getting rid of private insurance isn't popular with the majority of Democrats, much less with voters overall.  It would never make it through congress anyway so why waste political capital on it?

Medicare For All is popular with a majority of voters (link goes to Kaiser Family Foundation study in April 2020) including 8 in 10 Democrats. However, most people still think they will be able to keep their health insurance. What they really want to keep us their doctors. Which should be possible if we eliminated all health insurance and forced doctors to accept the national plan.

But, sure, don't adopt a popular-with-the-majority-of-voters po​licy. Some will even vote for Biden without it. I mean, I won't be voting for Biden if he doesn't support it and doesn't choose a Veep who supports it, but others will I'm sure. And maybe you'll win. Good luck!


Wait, so you'll be voting for Trump?


They're sure to get M4A that way! Sure, it make take a few extra decades and a lot of needless suffering, but that's a price they're willing for other people to pay.
 
2020-04-09 7:52:56 AM  

qorkfiend: If you think Biden is "evil", you're worthless


Ah, team-sport political children eating their own. How very provincial.

Biden is a child-sniffing, staffer molesting, war-happy piece of steaming shiat and you know it. No need to attack others who can see the blithering jackass for what he is.
 
2020-04-09 7:53:10 AM  

misanthropicsob: vpb: misanthropicsob: Call me when he adopts much needed national policies like Medicare For All and selects a progressive Vice President. I don't care about his relationship with Bernie (Bernie actually endorsed Hillary in 2016 and campaigned hard for her), I do care about the policies he will actually support. Who Biden picks as his Veep will matter since he's probably going to die in office of natural causes (and he's admitted as such).

M4A didn't work for Bernie, why should Biden adopt it?

Getting rid of private insurance isn't popular with the majority of Democrats, much less with voters overall.  It would never make it through congress anyway so why waste political capital on it?

Medicare For All is popular with a majority of voters (link goes to Kaiser Family Foundation study in April 2020) including 8 in 10 Democrats. However, most people still think they will be able to keep their health insurance. What they really want to keep us their doctors. Which should be possible if we eliminated all health insurance and forced doctors to accept the national plan.

But, sure, don't adopt a popular-with-the-majority-of-voters po​licy. Some will even vote for Biden without it. I mean, I won't be voting for Biden if he doesn't support it and doesn't choose a Veep who supports it, but others will I'm sure. And maybe you'll win. Good luck!


Yeah, and if you get into the weeds of that study it splits between a public option and M4A, but what is really clear is the number of folks opposed to both who are happy with the status quo is about 19%.  Americans want their broken healthcare system fixed.
 
2020-04-09 7:55:02 AM  

Blathering Idjut: misanthropicsob: vpb: misanthropicsob: Call me when he adopts much needed national policies like Medicare For All and selects a progressive Vice President. I don't care about his relationship with Bernie (Bernie actually endorsed Hillary in 2016 and campaigned hard for her), I do care about the policies he will actually support. Who Biden picks as his Veep will matter since he's probably going to die in office of natural causes (and he's admitted as such).

M4A didn't work for Bernie, why should Biden adopt it?

Getting rid of private insurance isn't popular with the majority of Democrats, much less with voters overall.  It would never make it through congress anyway so why waste political capital on it?

Medicare For All is popular with a majority of voters (link goes to Kaiser Family Foundation study in April 2020) including 8 in 10 Democrats. However, most people still think they will be able to keep their health insurance. What they really want to keep us their doctors. Which should be possible if we eliminated all health insurance and forced doctors to accept the national plan.

But, sure, don't adopt a popular-with-the-majority-of-voters po​licy. Some will even vote for Biden without it. I mean, I won't be voting for Biden if he doesn't support it and doesn't choose a Veep who supports it, but others will I'm sure. And maybe you'll win. Good luck!

Yeah, and if you get into the weeds of that study it splits between a public option and M4A, but what is really clear is the number of folks opposed to both who are happy with the status quo is about 19%.  Americans want their broken healthcare system fixed.


And?
 
2020-04-09 7:55:30 AM  

saywhonow: I'm sure this will be enough to please the bro following. They can't possibly be so fervently opposed to anything not sanders that they would tacitly support the current administration instead, right?


He just has to do something about his supporters, they're holding his campaign back. When he gets them under control things will be better for him. Based on this thread he has quite a task ahead.
 
2020-04-09 7:55:52 AM  

misanthropicsob: Call me when he adopts much needed national policies like Medicare For All and selects a progressive Vice President. I don't care about his relationship with Bernie (Bernie actually endorsed Hillary in 2016 and campaigned hard for her), I do care about the policies he will actually support. Who Biden picks as his Veep will matter since he's probably going to die in office of natural causes (and he's admitted as such).


As much as I'd like to see him adopt some strong progressive positions, it doesn't matter in terms of my vote. The general election will be a choice between Biden and Trump - no one else has any chance of winning. While Biden is far from ideal, Trump is actively and intentionally terrible for this country.

One might not like the idea of voting for the "lesser of two evils" candidate, but it's ridiculously foolish to cast a vote for the evil candidate, or not at all.
 
2020-04-09 7:56:41 AM  

qorkfiend: You think Trump deserves another term?


Tell it to the DNC, Junior.
 
2020-04-09 7:56:43 AM  

phenn: qorkfiend: If you think Biden is "evil", you're worthless

Ah, team-sport political children eating their own. How very provincial.

Biden is a child-sniffing, staffer molesting, war-happy piece of steaming shiat and you know it. No need to attack others who can see the blithering jackass for what he is.



You mean "Let's pretend the cherrypicked narratives selected by opponents and as-yet unproven allegations are all that defines an very well-known commodity with 40 years of experience including 8 in the White House".
 
2020-04-09 8:00:35 AM  

phenn: qorkfiend: You think Trump deserves another term?

Tell it to the DNC, Junior.


Anything to deflect from your own shiatty choices, I guess.
 
2020-04-09 8:02:33 AM  

qorkfiend: phenn: qorkfiend: You think Trump deserves another term?

Tell it to the DNC, Junior.

Anything to deflect from your own shiatty choices, I guess.


What choices are you referring to? The DNC doesn't give a flying rip what you want or who you support. As evidenced this year and in 2016.
 
2020-04-09 8:04:29 AM  

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2020-04-09 8:04:39 AM  

lordjupiter: phenn: qorkfiend: If you think Biden is "evil", you're worthless

Ah, team-sport political children eating their own. How very provincial.

Biden is a child-sniffing, staffer molesting, war-happy piece of steaming shiat and you know it. No need to attack others who can see the blithering jackass for what he is.


You mean "Let's pretend the cherrypicked narratives selected by opponents and as-yet unproven allegations are all that defines an very well-known commodity with 40 years of experience including 8 in the White House".


Don't you see? We must blindly believe any and all accusations against a Democrat without even investigating them, because obviously NOBODY would cynically use '#MeToo' as a political weapon.

/Unless women claim that Bernie Sanders said anything misogynistic, then they're either lying 'snakes' or just stupid.
//Or if women point out that many of his loudest supporters are misogynists and other toxic assholes, and he didn't do enough to rein them in.
 
2020-04-09 8:05:11 AM  

phenn: qorkfiend: phenn: qorkfiend: You think Trump deserves another term?

Tell it to the DNC, Junior.

Anything to deflect from your own shiatty choices, I guess.

What choices are you referring to? The DNC doesn't give a flying rip what you want or who you support. As evidenced this year and in 2016.


Also, I'm pretty sure the scoreboard says something different, both now and back in 2016.
 
2020-04-09 8:05:47 AM  
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2020-04-09 8:06:35 AM  
The shape of any healthcare reform bill will be decided by Congress not the president. Truth is the president will have little actual control over the process.

So please, keep focusing on something that matters in down ticket races.
 
2020-04-09 8:06:48 AM  
1. This kind of thing is why people who think this is Hillary 2.0 are wrong. 

lordjupiter: phenn: qorkfiend: If you think Biden is "evil", you're worthless

Ah, team-sport political children eating their own. How very provincial.

Biden is a child-sniffing, staffer molesting, war-happy piece of steaming shiat and you know it. No need to attack others who can see the blithering jackass for what he is.


You mean "Let's pretend the cherrypicked narratives selected by opponents and as-yet unproven allegations are all that defines an very well-known commodity with 40 years of experience including 8 in the White House".


We seemed fine with it when it was a conservative Supreme Court nominee. The story against Biden has witnesses who were told contemporaneously. That's more than Blasey-Ford had.

To be clear, I believe them both because I actually believe women. But it certainly is educational (if unsurprising) how some women are more believable than others depending on one's political predelictions.

2.
 
2020-04-09 8:06:54 AM  
Some People: I might not vote for Biden
Farker Democrat: So you are voting for Trump?
Some People: No! I might not vote for Biden!
Farker Democrat: I knew these Bernie Bros were awful! They are voting for Trump.

In all seriousness it's time to drop thos bullshiat shenanigans. Biden won. The voters picked him and there is very little we can do about it now.

Biden people need to stop getting so pissy defensive because people arent rallying around the flag just yet or at all. Bernie people need to realize that, despite everything we've gone through, Trump really is a threat. It isnt about ego, whose vision is right or wrong, it's about winning above all else.
 
2020-04-09 8:06:55 AM  

phenn: qorkfiend: phenn: qorkfiend: You think Trump deserves another term?

Tell it to the DNC, Junior.

Anything to deflect from your own shiatty choices, I guess.

What choices are you referring to? The DNC doesn't give a flying rip what you want or who you support. As evidenced this year and in 2016.


So Bernie should have won despite not getting the votes?
 
2020-04-09 8:07:49 AM  

misanthropicsob: vpb: misanthropicsob: Call me when he adopts much needed national policies like Medicare For All and selects a progressive Vice President. I don't care about his relationship with Bernie (Bernie actually endorsed Hillary in 2016 and campaigned hard for her), I do care about the policies he will actually support. Who Biden picks as his Veep will matter since he's probably going to die in office of natural causes (and he's admitted as such).

M4A didn't work for Bernie, why should Biden adopt it?

Getting rid of private insurance isn't popular with the majority of Democrats, much less with voters overall.  It would never make it through congress anyway so why waste political capital on it?

Medicare For All is popular with a majority of voters (link goes to Kaiser Family Foundation study in April 2020) including 8 in 10 Democrats. However, most people still think they will be able to keep their health insurance. What they really want to keep us their doctors. Which should be possible if we eliminated all health insurance and forced doctors to accept the national plan.

But, sure, don't adopt a popular-with-the-majority-of-voters po​licy. Some will even vote for Biden without it. I mean, I won't be voting for Biden if he doesn't support it and doesn't choose a Veep who supports it, but others will I'm sure. And maybe you'll win. Good luck!


Baby steps forward is so much worse than leaps backwards.

And people say Bernie Bros are stupid, narcissistic douchebags.
 
2020-04-09 8:09:11 AM  

nuts!: misanthropicsob: Call me when he adopts much needed national policies like Medicare For All and selects a progressive Vice President. I don't care about his relationship with Bernie (Bernie actually endorsed Hillary in 2016 and campaigned hard for her), I do care about the policies he will actually support. Who Biden picks as his Veep will matter since he's probably going to die in office of natural causes (and he's admitted as such).

Wait, so you'll vote for Trump?misanthropicsob: vpb: misanthropicsob: Call me when he adopts much needed national policies like Medicare For All and selects a progressive Vice President. I don't care about his relationship with Bernie (Bernie actually endorsed Hillary in 2016 and campaigned hard for her), I do care about the policies he will actually support. Who Biden picks as his Veep will matter since he's probably going to die in office of natural causes (and he's admitted as such).

M4A didn't work for Bernie, why should Biden adopt it?

Getting rid of private insurance isn't popular with the majority of Democrats, much less with voters overall.  It would never make it through congress anyway so why waste political capital on it?

Medicare For All is popular with a majority of voters (link goes to Kaiser Family Foundation study in April 2020) including 8 in 10 Democrats. However, most people still think they will be able to keep their health insurance. What they really want to keep us their doctors. Which should be possible if we eliminated all health insurance and forced doctors to accept the national plan.

But, sure, don't adopt a popular-with-the-majority-of-voters po​licy. Some will even vote for Biden without it. I mean, I won't be voting for Biden if he doesn't support it and doesn't choose a Veep who supports it, but others will I'm sure. And maybe you'll win. Good luck!


Wait, so you'll be voting for Trump?


If Warren isn't on the ticket then yes I'll vote Trump again.

I don't think it will matter. The democrats are destroying their chances in the Midwest swing states. What reason will union voters have to vote democrat if they can't repeal "right to work" in Virginia. It takes no effort at all to paint the democrats led by Biden as the party of NAFTA and TPP.
 
2020-04-09 8:10:32 AM  

eiger: 1. This kind of thing is why people who think this is Hillary 2.0 are wrong. lordjupiter: phenn: qorkfiend: If you think Biden is "evil", you're worthless

Ah, team-sport political children eating their own. How very provincial.

Biden is a child-sniffing, staffer molesting, war-happy piece of steaming shiat and you know it. No need to attack others who can see the blithering jackass for what he is.


You mean "Let's pretend the cherrypicked narratives selected by opponents and as-yet unproven allegations are all that defines an very well-known commodity with 40 years of experience including 8 in the White House".

We seemed fine with it when it was a conservative Supreme Court nominee. The story against Biden has witnesses who were told contemporaneously. That's more than Blasey-Ford had.


Unless the details have changed, those 'witnesses' were immediate family members who claimed they were told contemporaneously when asked recently. That's hardly compelling evidence. But sure, let's investigate Tara Reade's story, just like we should have investigated Blasey-Ford's. Blindly believing it and being loud about it, though, is dangerous, because the GOP will weaponize #MeToo via bullshiat, if they haven't already with Biden and Franken.
 
2020-04-09 8:10:40 AM  

numbers17: Biden people need to stop getting so pissy defensive because people arent rallying around the flag just yet or at all.


Why not?  Biden is most of our 2nd or 3rd choice and we had NO problem going all in on anti Trump.  Why is it so hard for (some) Bernie supporters to do the same?  Is it because Trump isn't as unpalatable to them as the rest of us?
 
2020-04-09 8:11:37 AM  

LordJiro: croesius: It's nice to get back to the usual "pick the lesser of two evils" voting instead of having a candidate who inspires people.

That warm blanket of bygone mediocrity.

Biden inspired people to vote for him. Bernie did not.

/Besides the party he belongs to, the President is almost irrelevant anyway. What matters is getting as many progressives into Congress as possible.
//Real progress takes time, persistence and a shiatload of work. An unfortunate number of progressives seem not to realize that, and think that taking their ball and going home when they don't win the big race will be anything but counterproductive.


This strategy hasn't worked for my entire lifetime. The democratic party is like an abusive husband to the working class. "Give me one more chance baby, this time it'll be different I swear."
 
2020-04-09 8:12:04 AM  
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2020-04-09 8:12:46 AM  

LordJiro: Don't you see? We must blindly believe any and all accusations against a Democrat without even investigating them, because obviously NOBODY would cynically use '#MeToo' as a political weapon.


We pretty much blindly believed the Blasey-Ford accusations. Once again, I believe her, but they were far from proven and fundamentally unprovable at this point. And yet they were embraced by most Dems as obviously true and disqualifying for Kavanaugh.

And yet people won't even take Reede seriously even though she has two contemporary witnesses she told, one of whom was just an acquaintance with no reason to lie for her. That's a lot more than most accusers have.

This is like Al Franken all over. He had several accusers. At least one had told people at the time and had e-mails to document that. Yet a lot of dems on this board refuse to accept that the dude was a creep because they liked him politically.

I'll be honest. I should really get off this board because the amount of hypocrisy and fantasy-creation that is about to happen her will be insane. We're all going to be told how a man who is a known liar and fabulist, who was integral to some of the worst legislation of the last 40 years, and strongly supported the Iraq war (but has lied about that fact over the last year) is such a great candidate and, if you don't believe it, you are Trump supporter or Bernie Bro dead-ender.

And this is not even to get into the fact that the man is clearly in mental decline, something I've believed since he first came back on the scene to run for president. But I'm sure that's actually just a Russian plot put forward after Bernie was losing even though it was commonly said by many, including mainstream Democratic politicians and pundits, last year.

I'll vote for the guy because I live in a swing state and Trump is an even worst disaster. But I'm not going to turn off my brain and pretend like this loser is actually a good candidate by any measure.
 
2020-04-09 8:14:11 AM  

qorkfiend: nuts!: misanthropicsob: Call me when he adopts much needed national policies like Medicare For All and selects a progressive Vice President. I don't care about his relationship with Bernie (Bernie actually endorsed Hillary in 2016 and campaigned hard for her), I do care about the policies he will actually support. Who Biden picks as his Veep will matter since he's probably going to die in office of natural causes (and he's admitted as such).

Wait, so you'll vote for Trump?misanthropicsob: vpb: misanthropicsob: Call me when he adopts much needed national policies like Medicare For All and selects a progressive Vice President. I don't care about his relationship with Bernie (Bernie actually endorsed Hillary in 2016 and campaigned hard for her), I do care about the policies he will actually support. Who Biden picks as his Veep will matter since he's probably going to die in office of natural causes (and he's admitted as such).

M4A didn't work for Bernie, why should Biden adopt it?

Getting rid of private insurance isn't popular with the majority of Democrats, much less with voters overall.  It would never make it through congress anyway so why waste political capital on it?

Medicare For All is popular with a majority of voters (link goes to Kaiser Family Foundation study in April 2020) including 8 in 10 Democrats. However, most people still think they will be able to keep their health insurance. What they really want to keep us their doctors. Which should be possible if we eliminated all health insurance and forced doctors to accept the national plan.

But, sure, don't adopt a popular-with-the-majority-of-voters po​licy. Some will even vote for Biden without it. I mean, I won't be voting for Biden if he doesn't support it and doesn't choose a Veep who supports it, but others will I'm sure. And maybe you'll win. Good luck!


Wait, so you'll be voting for Trump?

They're sure to get M4A that way! Sure, it make take a few extra decades and a lot of needless suffering, but that's a price they're willing for other people to pay.


If the price is the same wether I vote D or R why should I vote D?
 
2020-04-09 8:14:21 AM  
I live in CT. Not only have we not had our primary, there is now only one candidate still in the race. So I dont even get a voice in the party.

Im gonna sit this one out. Im not risking my health to vote for Joe Biden in a heavy blue state.

wanted to vote for Warren
 
2020-04-09 8:14:47 AM  

Scarlioni: LordJiro: croesius: It's nice to get back to the usual "pick the lesser of two evils" voting instead of having a candidate who inspires people.

That warm blanket of bygone mediocrity.

Biden inspired people to vote for him. Bernie did not.

/Besides the party he belongs to, the President is almost irrelevant anyway. What matters is getting as many progressives into Congress as possible.
//Real progress takes time, persistence and a shiatload of work. An unfortunate number of progressives seem not to realize that, and think that taking their ball and going home when they don't win the big race will be anything but counterproductive.

This strategy hasn't worked for my entire lifetime. The democratic party is like an abusive husband to the working class. "Give me one more chance baby, this time it'll be different I swear."


You're basically telling the party to just tell Democratic voters to elect a progressive and if you don't like, tough tits, just like you feel they've done to you.

But when the question is put in front of the voters, they float to whomever that is, which outside of a dozen or so states, is the more moderate/technocratic candidate.

You should really realign your argument to say that "The voters in Democratic Primaries are too scared to come out of their personal comfort zone, and we need to do something about that." Because at this point, the DNC doesn't have to do anything but have a competent technocrat run and they will win in a full 2/3rds of the country.

That is if you believe the DNC is strong enough to actually affect the nominating process in this centralized manner. I don't, but that's me.
 
2020-04-09 8:16:40 AM  

LordJiro: lordjupiter: phenn: qorkfiend: If you think Biden is "evil", you're worthless

Ah, team-sport political children eating their own. How very provincial.

Biden is a child-sniffing, staffer molesting, war-happy piece of steaming shiat and you know it. No need to attack others who can see the blithering jackass for what he is.


You mean "Let's pretend the cherrypicked narratives selected by opponents and as-yet unproven allegations are all that defines an very well-known commodity with 40 years of experience including 8 in the White House".

Don't you see? We must blindly believe any and all accusations against a Democrat without even investigating them, because obviously NOBODY would cynically use '#MeToo' as a political weapon.


#believesomewomen

/Unless women claim that Bernie Sanders said anything misogynistic, then they're either lying 'snakes' or just stupid.
//Or if women point out that many of his loudest supporters are misogynists and other toxic assholes, and he didn't do enough to rein them in.


#believewomenthatattackbernie
 
2020-04-09 8:16:58 AM  

vpb: misanthropicsob: Call me when he adopts much needed national policies like Medicare For All and selects a progressive Vice President. I don't care about his relationship with Bernie (Bernie actually endorsed Hillary in 2016 and campaigned hard for her), I do care about the policies he will actually support. Who Biden picks as his Veep will matter since he's probably going to die in office of natural causes (and he's admitted as such).

M4A didn't work for Bernie, why should Biden adopt it?

Getting rid of private insurance isn't popular with the majority of Democrats, much less with voters overall.  It would never make it through congress anyway so why waste political capital on it?


Why adopt a nearly century old universally successful first world financial policy on healthcare during a pandemic/deppression twofer with record unemployment/uninsurance when bodies are literally being piled up in the streets?

Gee Brain, I dunno.
 
2020-04-09 8:16:58 AM  
Here come all the spoiled, privileged white guys to enlighten us all to how Biden and Trump are basically the same people with the similar policies.
 
2020-04-09 8:17:51 AM  

LordJiro: Biden inspired people to vote for him. Bernie did not.


Nothing like a last minute centrist Voltron forming to inspire people.
 
2020-04-09 8:19:07 AM  
I would like vote for Biden. I like his policies. But his supporters are just so toxic online, I don't think I can in good conscious vote for him.
 
2020-04-09 8:19:55 AM  

max_rebo_groupie: Here come all the spoiled, privileged white guys to enlighten us all to how Biden and Trump are basically the same people with the similar policies.


It sounded stupid when they were doing the same thing to Senator Sanders, right?
 
2020-04-09 8:21:05 AM  

LL316: numbers17: Biden people need to stop getting so pissy defensive because people arent rallying around the flag just yet or at all.

Why not?  Biden is most of our 2nd or 3rd choice and we had NO problem going all in on anti Trump.  Why is it so hard for (some) Bernie supporters to do the same?  Is it because Trump isn't as unpalatable to them as the rest of us?


Because Bernie supporters do not look at the world as Democrat v GOP. Trump v Biden.

It's about the policy not the person. I remember scoffing when Farkers believed Bernie carried a cult of personality. How his movement would wither away into nothingness after he drops out. Yet everyone know the truth that as long as there a strong progressive in office the movement is never going away. I can't speak for the radical left, but I can speak for someone reasonable like me. Policy matters the most.

We have lived years without having the same dreams and comforts as the rest of the Western world and yet tout the fact our country is so great and amazing. Look at all this money the United States can make and still can't take care of its citizens.

After all of that, really, stop worrying about this leftist purist. They are radical socialist, radical left, dirtbag left, etc. They aren't bringing anything to the table other than Bernie or Bust. It's all noise and the more time you spend ignoring it and spend focusing on the reasonable ones that care about policy the easier we can get along with this election.
 
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