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2020-04-09 8:20:06 AM  

dittybopper: It's working as designed.


Correction. I would say it working as built. As designed is another matter.
 
2020-04-09 8:26:06 AM  

Jerkstorebestseller: Btw, I'm not trying to spoil your fun. Feel free to ask me about the ship, I'll answer any questions about it that aren't secret.


What would happen to them in the first 30 days of the next war? There's what we want to happen to them, and what the other side will have in mind.
 
2020-04-09 8:30:14 AM  

bighairyguy: The original, not the remake please.


The original 1976 film featured a C-130 as a Japanese recon aircraft, so the remake HAS to be better.
 
2020-04-09 8:33:43 AM  
Here's the Midway March from the end of the film.
Midway March by John Williams
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2020-04-09 8:35:18 AM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: bighairyguy: The original, not the remake please.

The original 1976 film featured a C-130 as a Japanese recon aircraft, so the remake HAS to be better.


The new one is handsomely mounted but is frankly bizarre. It has no friggin' characters in it, just a parade of people delivering dialogue that we don't care about. It's ... odd.
 
2020-04-09 8:50:24 AM  

gaslight: Jerkstorebestseller: Btw, I'm not trying to spoil your fun. Feel free to ask me about the ship, I'll answer any questions about it that aren't secret.

What would happen to them in the first 30 days of the next war? There's what we want to happen to them, and what the other side will have in mind.


In a fight with a modern military, they would try to keep the carriers as far away from action as possible. They'd try to establish air superiority and have anti sub patrols, but that wouldn't do any good. Anti sub measures don't really work, because even if you do find a submarine, they'll just run away. All the detection technologies are essentially acoustic, so the sub will know if they've been found.  The carriers would be targeted by submarines or antiship missiles. The ships have limited antimissile capabilities, but can be easily overwhelmed by multiple targets. Hell, a supercarrier can be sunk by a determined crew of a speed boat if it could get close enough while shrugging off machine gun fire. But in all likelihood, they would just torpedo the carriers and all other vessels with submarines. Subs constantly win wargames when allowed to perform realistically. The US has only been able to maintain the myth of naval superiority, because we've never faced off against a modern military. Look at the USS Cole, that was little more than the aforementioned speedboat. Every ship in the navy is a glass cannon.
 
2020-04-09 10:27:23 AM  

jso2897: Smirky the Wonder Chimp: jso2897: Smirky the Wonder Chimp: Would anyone be willing to hazard a guess as to what the current state of the Chinese and Russian military is, with regards to COVID-19?

No. With my own country falling the f**k apart, I have no use for gloating over some other country's problems, and regard it as a deflection. Sounds like a good way to waste time, thought, and effort.

I can assure you I'm absolutely not gloating, because no one in their right mind would be.  I'm actually mildly concerned what happens when a country's military begins falling apart due to attrition, what it might cause the nation to do, and what are the consequences to every other country around it.

Sorry if it came off as personally accusatory - didn't mean it that way.
I am just feeling really stubborn and reactionary right now about any attempt to deflect from the sickness that is rotting our own country, and it's body politic.
Underestimating other nation's military capabilities is a form of American arrogance that has gotten us in deep shiat before.
I remember when it was going to be a cakewalk to shut down a bunch of little rice paddy peasants in VietNam.
Or some starving tribesmen in Afghanistan.


I can relate.  And I promise you I didn't take it that way.  I legit have no idea what I'm talking about half the time and I am very, very unqualified discuss geopolitics and military affairs and being told that I am full of shiat is an actual valuable service to me at this point.


I think we're all entitled to be a little on edge and snippy right now.  We're in unknown territory.  We're all bracing for God knows what else., none of.it.good

So...yeah. don't worry about it.  We've got enough shiat to put up with as it is.  Consider a beer bought in your name. Or for you if we should ever meet.
 
2020-04-09 10:32:02 AM  
I thought the CIWS was supposed to prevent carriers from being hit. Time to dial up the sensitivity?
 
2020-04-09 10:40:06 AM  
There is no such thing as "Social distancing" on a ship. In the destroyer I was on, the berthing areas were very crowded. The racks were three high, and barely shoulder width apart. I'm surprised there are ships WITHOUT cv.
 
2020-04-09 11:03:01 AM  

Jerkstorebestseller: All the detection technologies are essentially acoustic


I really hope they've updated those, because we've built and tested new ones.  Maybe in 20 years when they do a refresh, assuming we're still around?  I mean ... yes, some of it's airborn and some of it's satellite, but another option was layering the group with cross-coverage network.  That shiat needs to be done now, if subs are that much of a problem.

Then again, who's modern?  Even I don't see that as a priority, and I'd love to see some 'mysterious alien' level tech being used by the US.  Anyway, back to work.
 
2020-04-09 11:27:59 AM  
I'm a lot more curious about our boomers. Submarines are a lot better insulated from the virus' getting on board in the first place, but if it does get on board, subs are almost uniquely vulnerable to rampant spread and having enough of the crew incapacitated to render the sub ineffective. And it's a much bigger deal to return to port.
 
2020-04-09 11:44:12 AM  
Watch the old one. That new movie sucks balls.
 
2020-04-09 12:21:56 PM  
Midway the second-best Chicago-area airport, or Midway the maker of high-tech pinball machines like The Addams Family from the early-90s pinball renaissance?

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I hope it's the pinball one because the airport is just depressing.
 
2020-04-09 12:30:35 PM  
I imagine Russia and China are taking notes on how to disable aircraft carriers without firing a single shot.
 
2020-04-09 1:42:08 PM  

dildo tontine: FTFA

Cmdr. John Fage, a spokesman for the 3rd Fleet, said the USS Nimitz is bringing many of its sailors aboard the ship to reduce their chance of being exposed to the virus as well as to more easily monitor their health for potential coronavirus symptoms.

Yes, by all means, lets bring those sailors back on board a ship we know to have an outbreak of Covid 19.


So, yeah, just what is going to take to disinfect these ships? How many people, how much equipment, and for how long? After the disinfection routine is complete, how long will the ship have to sit idle before the crew can safely return?

This is a really nasty situation all the way around. Modly was another f'g moron in the White House.
 
2020-04-09 1:48:46 PM  

Snarky Acronym: I imagine Russia and China are taking notes on how to disable aircraft carriers without firing a single shot.


Uh... I mean, there are accounts of biological warfare in the Old Testament, so I hope this isn't the first they're hearing about it.

Not that you're one of the conspiracy nuts, of course, but if this were Jina's secret bioweapon plan, they royally farked it up. And if taking out aircraft carriers was their goal, we can probably stop worrying about their brilliant strategic thinking.
 
2020-04-09 2:54:32 PM  

semiotix: Snarky Acronym: I imagine Russia and China are taking notes on how to disable aircraft carriers without firing a single shot.

Uh... I mean, there are accounts of biological warfare in the Old Testament, so I hope this isn't the first they're hearing about it.

Not that you're one of the conspiracy nuts, of course, but if this were Jina's secret bioweapon plan, they royally farked it up. And if taking out aircraft carriers was their goal, we can probably stop worrying about their brilliant strategic thinking.


The best thing about Biological is that it scares the professionals enough that they don't want to use it. It scares the amateurs because they don't want to die a screaming agonizing gooey mess.

The problem w/ biological warfare is that the major world powers were too successful. As of yet there is no magic bio weapon that you can turn on and off.

/ Hopefully that never happens if it does, everything in human society will come undone the day that is used.
// As for the outcome of such a  war, it doesn't matter who the combatants are, termites and roaches win hands down.
 
2020-04-09 3:07:16 PM  
It's a good thing the USA has more of those giant white elephants than everybody else in the world combined.

Spare capacity. Great thing to have in time of crisis. I wonder if they can turn them into emergency field hospitals. Can they get one up the Saint Lawrence-Great Lakes Seaway to Chicago or Detroit, or would it have to stop before Quebec City or Montreal?
 
2020-04-09 6:51:40 PM  

brantgoose: It's a good thing the USA has more of those giant white elephants than everybody else in the world combined.

Spare capacity. Great thing to have in time of crisis. I wonder if they can turn them into emergency field hospitals. Can they get one up the Saint Lawrence-Great Lakes Seaway to Chicago or Detroit, or would it have to stop before Quebec City or Montreal?


I of course bow to anyone who actually knows what he's talking about on this matter by my understanding is that nothing outside of the US and certain ports is that carrier groups like to keep everything over the horizon distant. I'd imagine this is not always possible when crossing sea lanes but if they like keeping people distant the St Lawrence River is the last place I'd do it. Probably the last carrier to sail it was the HMCS Bonaventure.
 
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