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(The Sun)   Quick-thinking police save suicide jumper by whipping out pants belts, hauling her to safety (with CCTV photo montage)   ( thesun.co.uk) divider line
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2004-08-12 11:04:29 AM  
Can someone please give me a run-through of what physically happened here? I think I know but I'm a bit confused.
2004-08-12 11:05:00 AM  
I remember an programme on jumpers from the Golden Gate Bridge - one of the few survivors said something quite profound:

"As I was falling, I suddenly realised that I could deal with all the problems in my life - except for the problem that I had just jumped off a bridge."

I wonder how many other people have that moment of realisation just before they hit the dirt...
2004-08-12 11:05:05 AM  
--- Epistax ---
When someone wants to commit suicide, it's almost always over nothing ..

I wholeheartedly agree. Clinical depression is a condition in which a person's brain chemistry is completely farked up. Rather than being able to determine what aspects of their life suck, which they can work on, and which ones are actually rather cool, EVERYTHING is gray and completely hopeless. Faced with this kind of altered reality, along with the belief that there is no way to make it better, makes many opt to use a shotgun to do some abstract brain-painting wall art. In these cases its a shame since some meds would sort of clean their window on the world to see what's really going on.

On the other hand, there are situations where people are completely rational and make the conscious decision to summon the cosmic waiter saying "check please". I remember reading about the founder of Kodak who just sort of decided to check out. He was content and left a note for his family and friends saying that he loved them all, was happy was his life and had done all he wanted to do. People facing terminal illness should also not be bothered if they decide they wish to terminate their life.
2004-08-12 11:05:36 AM  

Kinda, its a bit more psychological then that, imo.

I think, at the point someone is willing to risk their lives by suicide bridge/building jumping _is_ a cry for attention. By the time they reach that point, they have to be pretty darned messed up. Going to a place very public, and having them get attention, outcry, and a massive effort to save their life, suddenly gives them back the self-worth they lost in the first place.
2004-08-12 11:06:04 AM  
.. at least this girl realised it before frying on a train line
2004-08-12 11:11:23 AM  
Attention whore.
2004-08-12 11:12:58 AM  
So cops take off their pants and belts, and the sun is there?

/didn't rtfa...
2004-08-12 11:13:40 AM  
If they didn't save this woman, I would have missed the Sun's Viral Email link again. It's always silly. God bless you one and all. Goh Lik Kok. LOL!!!!1
2004-08-12 11:16:39 AM  
Yellow Number Five, SuperCrackMonkey, and others:

Someday you too might make a mistake. Someday you too may want a friend who is willing to go out of their way to help you.

Someday you too may even want to know what having a friend is like.
2004-08-12 11:17:48 AM  
For all you folks that say they should have let her die and you have no sympathy for someone that would cause a big spectacle, waste the resources of the police department, cause traffic delays, etc:
it's not like she's coming out of this with no consequences. She WILL probably be charged with a crime, and the punishment she gets will most likely fit her crime better than falling 60ft would. Causing a scene isn't really a capital offense, ya know?
2004-08-12 11:19:40 AM  
God, you people make me physically ill. Absolutely and utterly disgusting; the lot of you are nearly subhuman.

The idea that inside the veneer of "ah, we're better than animals, we've got morals, we've got courage, we're human" are you heartless, chilled monsters is incredibly depressing.

You guys are no better than child molesters, no better than murderers, no better than the terrorists you undoubtedly revile - what matters isn't what you've done, but how you feel, and with your statements you condemn ten thousand innocent people with more callous disregard than any addled serial killer or ruthless jihad fighter...
2004-08-12 11:20:21 AM  
And so what you got held up in traffic for a little while. What HUGE impact has that had on your life??? No wonder the rest of the world views us as greedy, self-centered a-holes.
2004-08-12 11:22:33 AM  
Riot Squrrrl, perisoft, ski_adk115

2004-08-12 11:22:56 AM  
perisoft- huh?
2004-08-12 11:23:23 AM  
"Inspector Hugh Boyle, who oversaw the rescue, said: Its a brilliant example of officers remaining calm and thinking on their feet."

Yep, everytime I see a young woman vunerable, I take off my pants, too. First the belt...
2004-08-12 11:23:48 AM  

I do know what it is like to lose a friend to suicide. I've never forgiven the selfish biatch for taking her company away from those who loved her and I never will.
2004-08-12 11:24:31 AM  
"God, you people make me physically ill. Absolutely and utterly disgusting; the lot of you are nearly subhuman."

Maybe people just don't like grandiose suicide spectacles. I know a lot of people, mostly people from high school who have committed suicide. And they all did it in private, which , as mentioned above, certainly deserves sympathy. But, an asshat gets up on a bridge and makes everyone elses life as scheissig as theirs, then I hope they enjoy the plunge...

Oh, and we're not any better than the animals. That's why we've completely Farked our planet.
2004-08-12 11:27:48 AM  
Yellow Number Five

I cannot speak intelligently on the situation surrounding your friend's suicide, but you have my condolences all the same.

As far as this article is concerned, we do not know the circumstances surrounding her suicide attempt, and as such it would foolish to judge her without proper knowledge of what led up to this.
2004-08-12 11:30:13 AM  
Are you trying to stage an objective argument using only empirical evidence on Fark? Shame on you.
2004-08-12 11:30:34 AM  
For everyone complaining about her wasting taxpayer money, and saying she should have been pushed, keep in mind that she was going to jump onto a rail line. Imagine the hassle it would have been to clean her up off the damn rail, and the delays in commuter traffic that would entail. Not to mention the massive amounts of paperwork that would have had to have been done.

Clearly, the police only saved her in order to save themselves and the public a whole lot more hassle after she jumped.
2004-08-12 11:31:24 AM  
The Reichman

So cops take off their pants and belts, and the sun is there?

If the cops took off their pants, the moon was there :)
2004-08-12 11:31:43 AM  
I believe th DC jumper did jump and they fished him out O the Potomac undead. Some other youngun jumped off the Bay bridge outside of Annapolis and lived also.

/we need higher bridges here
2004-08-12 11:31:52 AM  
djcreamy is right. If you want to kill yourself, do it. Don't fark up traffic on the Brooklyn Bridge for three hours during evening rush, don't waste tax dollars turning cops into "Heros" for saving your dumb ass, JUST DO IT, GODDAMNIT!!!
2004-08-12 11:34:05 AM  
Also, what is being said in this thread is a very strong Western view of suicide. What do you think the reaction would have been in the East, in a 'sophisticated' country like Japan. Would the police have intervened? Would those people have your Hanes in a knot over those of us who voice our 'compassionless' arguments?
2004-08-12 11:34:37 AM  
Bear in mind the UK doesn't have guns, and maybe she's just crap with knots...
2004-08-12 11:36:45 AM  
Ah my morning isn't complete without a bunch of pseudo-tough guy talk from my fellow farkers. Maybe we can get a gun control thread in here this morning too and everybody can talk about their unregistered handguns and desire to shoot burglers.
2004-08-12 11:36:50 AM  
I think Kurt Cobain said it best:


/Suicide failures are not arrested, they are taken to psychiatric counseling.
2004-08-12 11:37:29 AM  
Yellow Number Five, I hope you're happy spending your life blind with rage because you're too farking stupid or ignorant to bother trying to understand the person you're hating.

Then again, maybe you're right - maybe she did it just to say a big 'fark you' to all her friends. I'm sure that's it, despite the fact that the most basic human instinct is to *stay the fark alive*. But that instinct, in-built after hundreds of thousands of years of evolution, obviously paled in comparison to her desire to get *your* goat.

Talk about being vain!
2004-08-12 11:43:42 AM  
I am just going to DIE unless I get some attention!
2004-08-12 11:47:03 AM  
/yeah, yah do a MON-TAGEEEEEE
2004-08-12 11:49:36 AM  
What always interested me about this whole suicide dilemma is that people condemn the dead for being "selfish", yet decide to hate or despise them out of a selfish desire to keep them around. Isn't that a tad hypocritical?

I wouldn't hate someone for being murdered and depriving me of their company, nor would I hate someone for feeling such despair that they ended their life. Sadness, yes. Hate? Now that's true selfishness.
2004-08-12 11:50:41 AM  
prolly one of those crying out for help suicide attempts
2004-08-12 11:51:56 AM  

You know nothing about that particular situation or my personal feelings about it, so kindly go fark yourself. Suicide is the most selfish act a person can commit, plain and simple.
2004-08-12 11:53:33 AM  

See my post to perisoft. Until you're put in that situation yourself you'd do well not to comment on it.
2004-08-12 11:54:00 AM  
---- perisoft ----
... The idea that inside the veneer of ...

Just for the record, I maintain no veneer. I am very out, open, and honest about being heartless and indifferent to the 'human condition'.

Thank you for playing.

/Bite my Shiny Metal Ass
2004-08-12 11:56:37 AM  
Yellow Number Five

It is the height of arrogance to assume I haven't been in that situation myself. You're right, I don't know your situation. Maybe your friend was a selfish, undeserving biatch before her death. But it disgusts me to think of myself hating my friend who died simply for the fact that she was in such pain, it seemed the only recourse for her.
2004-08-12 11:57:49 AM  
good point Almighty.

Also, since when is saving a life "wasting" taxpayer money?
2004-08-12 12:08:13 PM  

[But it disgusts me to think of myself hating my friend who died simply for the fact that she was in such pain, it seemed the only recourse for her.]

1) I never said I hated her, only that I can't forgive what she did.

2) When you saw what that selfish act did to her family, friends, and me you'd understand how I feel.

3) She was in counciling, and she was prescribed medication, but chose not to take those meds.

4) It's not as if I and the rest of her family and friends didn't offer her anything but love and support.

5) She chose to selfishly take her own life anyway for a stupid goddamed reason she would've gotten over on her own in a few short months.

6) I'd kindly ask you not to call my dead friend a selfish, underserving biatch. You didn't know her, I did, and she wasn't any of those things - except for that one final selfish act.

7) I'm done talking about this, it is not at all pleasent for me to think about.
2004-08-12 12:14:46 PM  
You think I don't know what suicide does to people? Everyone, friends, family, loved ones, even people who didn't really know them, are affected. But your personal opinion of whether or not their reason was "good enough" has no bearing on how it made them feel.

I have no judgments about your friend. Any supposition I made was based on your comments about her.

I hope someday, you'll be able to get over your own grief for one second and try to imagine a despair great enough for someone to actually go through with the act of killing themself. I've been in your shoes. I know how it is to grieve and accuse. But I look back upon it with shame. I stopped thinking about how I was feeling and tried to think of how she was feeling. They're gone - there's nothing you can do about that, no matter how much you rage. The best thing you can hope for now is peace.
2004-08-12 12:32:35 PM  
maybe the afternoon crowd will join in this thread and be sure to bring tissues......

stop the pity and stfu......
2004-08-12 12:38:49 PM  
If someone wants to kill themselves, WHY don't we let them? Why do we instead charge them for attempted murder?


Can you show me ANY law that is currently in use that charges a person with ATTEMPTED MURDER when they try to kill themselves? I just looked on a database and found no law actually restricting attempted suicide, much less calling it "attempted murder." You may get charged with some other crime (e.g., illegal use of a firearm, etc.) but not "attempted suicide" or "attempted murder" in any state I can find. Maybe this is common in other countries, but I have never heard of it.
2004-08-12 12:39:07 PM  
The last time I checked, humans were not an endangered species. If you need counseling, get counseling. If you want attention, call someone who cares. If you are sure, absolutely sure, that you want to die, then please get your whole head in front of the shotgun. Thanks.
If they ever legalize assisted suicide, I'm going to open a business. Franchise opportunities availiable.

/BOOM thank you, drive through.
2004-08-12 12:41:10 PM  
ChairmanKaga: Remember the fool very well. Traffic was tied up throughout the region; I had slugged in that day and couldn't get a ride home (HOV lanes had been opened up so no one was picking up slugs). Tried to take the VRE to get close to home and it was shut down for about an hour while they inspected a bridge that had been hit by a truck about the same time. The asshat jumper was later pointed out to me while I was at a car dealership walking down Rte. 1 by those who knew who he was - apparently he didn't have to do much time or get much counseling for the mess he created.
2004-08-12 12:45:11 PM  
2004-08-12 12:46:12 PM  
FYI, "murder" is the killing of a human being by ANOTHER human being. Suicide does not qualify.

Although the old ruling of homicide was "the killing of a human being by a human being", and thus suicide USED to fall under the category of murder (but this is no longer the case).

/law school Criminal Law trivia
2004-08-12 12:46:20 PM  
Oh sure. If a cop whips off his belt and wraps it around the wrist of a strange woman he's a hero.
If I do it, I'm a "menace to society" who gets saddled with a restraining order.

//farkin' double standards
2004-08-12 12:57:21 PM  
I told you I was hard core

/not that hard
2004-08-12 01:09:18 PM  
For all the people biatching about the the Cops wasting their time, I thought cops were around to "Protect & Serve". It seems like this is what they were doing.
2004-08-12 01:12:27 PM  
They oughta belt her one
2004-08-12 01:18:24 PM  

In case you didn't RTFA, she changed her mind and *didn't* want to kill herself.
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