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(Axios)   Due to the coronavirus, public transit around the country is now in a death spiral. Just when it's needed most   (axios.com) divider line
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2020-04-08 5:32:12 PM  
35 votes:
Public transit will be needed when we emerge from the epidemic and everyone who lost their jobs and sold their cars just to buy food need to get back to work.
 
2020-04-09 2:09:11 AM  
32 votes:
TL; DR of 2020: The frail machinery of society has been brought to a sudden halt by the pandemic, exposing how poorly constructed it was in the first place.
 
2020-04-08 10:09:50 PM  
17 votes:
Why would public transportation be needed most right now?
 
2020-04-08 9:44:45 PM  
17 votes:
It's not just the United States. It's everywhere in the industrialized world, including Canada.

It's downright creepy, watching empty Ottawa city buses whizz by with one or two riders, if that. Berlin's U-bahn had ghost stations during the cold war. Ottawa has an entire ghost public transit network. Ridership has dropped (by OC Transpo's own reckoning) by 70 to 90 percent. (I've taken the bus only once in the last three weeks, and the subway not at all.)

The "essential" workers who have no choice but to take the bus have to board at the back because bus drivers live in fear of being coughed on by a passenger. (Two OC Transpo employees have tested positive for COVID-19--and they may not be the only ones.)

OC Transpo, like many systems worldwide, is in a quandary. Running anything like a normal service makes no financial sense, but running too few buses and trains increases the risk of transmission among passengers.
 
2020-04-08 9:48:30 PM  
16 votes:
Why would anyone use public transpo at this time?
 
2020-04-09 2:59:34 AM  
11 votes:

stevesporn2000: I think you mean "due to cowardice and workers taking advantage of the opportunity to take a paid stay-cation" -- the NYC MTA for example has 5600 people vegging out at home while only 33 have died. The MTA has more than 50,000 employees, so 33 people dying in the area of the country progressing most quickly through infection is barely significant from a statistical level. I have never been more ashamed of my fellow countrymen until this past month.


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Eat a cock meat sandwich, comb and all.
 
2020-04-09 2:41:12 AM  
11 votes:

jaylectricity: Why would public transportation be needed most right now?


A lot of grocery workers and cleaning(including medical/hospital cleaning) workers don't make enough to pay for a car, monthly insurance, gas etc...that's my guess
 
2020-04-09 2:53:12 AM  
9 votes:

born_yesterday: Well there it is.


Yep - clearly this is a job for the private sector to solve, since OH THEY DID SOOOOOOO GOOD PREVENTING THIS FARKING MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

/farking cocksuckers
//for the rest of my life, long or short though it may be, anyone chimes up with "but the private sector, Econ 101, basic supply and demand" and they're going to be shiatting their own farking teeth
 
2020-04-09 4:09:11 AM  
6 votes:

jaylectricity: Why would public transportation be needed most right now?


Exsctly how am I supposed to take care of grandma or grandpa until 5 am?  Walk the 4 hour walk?  I'll bus thank you, or get a raise they that allows me to afford more than $100 a month for transportation.

Since people don't die for a few weeks.  Lemme guess, your that self centered as to not even realize that we'll.... Healthcare workers and food workers are quite poor so we could give tax cuts to assholes trying to kill you right now.
 
2020-04-09 2:44:32 AM  
6 votes:
Well there it is.
 
2020-04-09 2:17:04 AM  
6 votes:
Our local bus company is giving out free rides and has been running on Saturday (reduced operation) schedules since March 23.

They only open the back bus doors to keep you away from the driver/not germing up the the the ticket machine.

I have no idea how long they can keep it going.  The last two times I rode the most passengers I saw was five people on a normally fairly crowded line.
 
2020-04-09 3:15:55 AM  
5 votes:

stevesporn2000: I think you mean "due to cowardice and workers taking advantage of the opportunity to take a paid stay-cation" -- the NYC MTA for example has 5600 people vegging out at home while only 33 have died. The MTA has more than 50,000 employees, so 33 people dying in the area of the country progressing most quickly through infection is barely significant from a statistical level. I have never been more ashamed of my fellow countrymen until this past month.


Of course they should all go back to work, because the first thing that helps in a pandemic is thousands of potentially infected service workers, many of whom work jobs that give them high exposure to the public in confined spaces, spreading a contagious disease to as many people as possible.

Or not.


(Seriously, this is why testing is important. If suspect cases could be tested, people who test negative could go back to work immediately rather than isolating themselves for two weeks.)
 
2020-04-09 3:02:12 AM  
5 votes:
stevesporn2000:

16 year old alternative opinion NounNumber account?  Color me shocked.
 
2020-04-09 2:55:01 AM  
5 votes:

Farxist Marxist: Why would anyone use public transpo at this time?


jaylectricity: Why would public transportation be needed most right now?


It's mentioned in the second paragraph of the article, but most people reading it probably didn't also click the link for further details:

https://transitcenter.org/2-8-million​-​u-s-essential-workers-ride-transit-to-​their-jobs/
 
2020-04-09 7:42:54 PM  
4 votes:

lycanth: jaylectricity: Why would public transportation be needed most right now?

Public transit is a vector factory that we can't afford to keep running.


Well, get someone to un-steal my truck.
 
2020-04-09 3:45:55 PM  
4 votes:

wax_on: San Francisco has eliminated all but core service bus routes, like 12 city wide. A friend who rode on a bus last week described it as a cesspool of contamination. So good riddance.


We get it, you hate people who have to work for a living because you figured out how to be a leech on society's ass renting to other people.
 
2020-04-09 2:55:37 AM  
4 votes:
Public transit in some areas offer a service for older people and the disabled where they can have a shuttle pick them up close to home and take them anywhere on a semi-fixed route designed to provide access to essential services, Around here I think its called DART (Dial a ride) or something like that. Compared to regular public transit I guess they get a whole lot less of the "I want to be as big of a pain in the ass to as many people as possible" crowd, which must be nice. Hopefully the 'rona sees an increase in services like that rather than budget cuts.
 
2020-04-09 2:29:12 AM  
4 votes:
Unfortunately this is something that should be expected in a virus outbreak. Which will also unfortunately lead to people not being able to travel to buy necessities if they live far from a store and don't have access to personal transport.

When we return to normal the transport will be there. The buses and trains won't go up in flames I hope.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2020-04-08 10:41:52 PM  
4 votes:
After the ban of reusable bags comes the ban of mass transit.
 
2020-04-09 6:05:30 AM  
3 votes:
My work in public transportation. Specifically rural public transportation, which is not a mass transit system but it still open to the public.

I'm one of the lucky employees where the boss is still giving me hours, though my hours have been cut by at least half.

I would say over 70% of the employees for our company are not getting hours right now, which means they aren't getting paid.   Our business has probably dropped by about 80%.

If that government check doesn't come in soon, it's going to be difficult for me to be able to feed myself.   Bad times....
 
2020-04-09 5:52:48 AM  
3 votes:

Mister Buttons: Our local bus company is giving out free rides and has been running on Saturday (reduced operation) schedules since March 23.

They only open the back bus doors to keep you away from the driver/not germing up the the the ticket machine.

I have no idea how long they can keep it going.  The last two times I rode the most passengers I saw was five people on a normally fairly crowded line.


I am not sure why the number of riders makes a difference if it is free
 
2020-04-09 2:42:50 AM  
3 votes:
I think you mean "due to cowardice and workers taking advantage of the opportunity to take a paid stay-cation" -- the NYC MTA for example has 5600 people vegging out at home while only 33 have died. The MTA has more than 50,000 employees, so 33 people dying in the area of the country progressing most quickly through infection is barely significant from a statistical level. I have never been more ashamed of my fellow countrymen until this past month.
 
2020-04-09 2:42:07 AM  
3 votes:
Hope everyone has a good pair of walking shoes, they're gonna need them over the next year or so.
 
2020-04-09 3:47:56 PM  
2 votes:

RecoveringLibertarian: jaylectricity: Why would public transportation be needed most right now?

A lot of grocery workers and cleaning(including medical/hospital cleaning) workers don't make enough to pay for a car, monthly insurance, gas etc...that's my guess


Or just live somewhere they can't park.  Also a big thing in cities.
 
2020-04-09 3:41:07 PM  
2 votes:

MikeyFuccon: It's not just the United States. It's everywhere in the industrialized world, including Canada.

It's downright creepy, watching empty Ottawa city buses whizz by with one or two riders, if that. Berlin's U-bahn had ghost stations during the cold war. Ottawa has an entire ghost public transit network. Ridership has dropped (by OC Transpo's own reckoning) by 70 to 90 percent. (I've taken the bus only once in the last three weeks, and the subway not at all.)

The "essential" workers who have no choice but to take the bus have to board at the back because bus drivers live in fear of being coughed on by a passenger. (Two OC Transpo employees have tested positive for COVID-19--and they may not be the only ones.)

OC Transpo, like many systems worldwide, is in a quandary. Running anything like a normal service makes no financial sense, but running too few buses and trains increases the risk of transmission among passengers.


It's almost like basic transportation needs to be considered as basic infrastructure instead of a value added thing in cities.
 
2020-04-09 12:43:02 PM  
2 votes:

Bearishlyphat: We need to tightly pack hundreds of people together into a poorly ventilated tube?


This thread is about buses, not airlines.
 
2020-04-09 6:27:37 AM  
2 votes:

bobobolinskii: Hope everyone has a good pair of walking shoes, they're gonna need them over the next year or so.


I've been working from home for goin on 4 years now.  Walking shoes?  Shiat, I don't even need pants.
 
2020-04-09 3:01:33 AM  
2 votes:
I really wonder about the statistics used in stories like this. 36% of essential workers rely on public transportation? Maybe in New York, but most of America doesn't have public transportation. Sounds like a big city problem. Yes, flame me.
 
2020-04-09 2:35:15 AM  
2 votes:

jaylectricity: Why would public transportation be needed most right now?


It's most needy right now.  Heavily subsidized, it's that privately owned transportation who pays for it with taxes.  And the number of private miles driven and fuel purchased is way down, and may stay down.

So yes, the pressure to soak the remaining private transit to support the public will be extreme.  You can see it in the article where they openly propose "congestion pricing schemes" for what is associated with a lack of congestion.
 
2020-04-09 2:10:35 AM  
2 votes:

ZAZ: After the ban of reusable bags comes the ban of mass transit.


Two otherwise good ideas with a seriously fatal flaw.
 
2020-04-09 6:30:58 PM  
1 vote:

jaylectricity: Why would public transportation be needed most right now?


Public transit is a vector factory that we can't afford to keep running.
 
2020-04-09 3:54:00 PM  
1 vote:

Straight Outta Hate: Mister Buttons: Our local bus company is giving out free rides and has been running on Saturday (reduced operation) schedules since March 23.

They only open the back bus doors to keep you away from the driver/not germing up the the the ticket machine.

I have no idea how long they can keep it going.  The last two times I rode the most passengers I saw was five people on a normally fairly crowded line.

I am not sure why the number of riders makes a difference if it is free


Honestly should be all the time.
 
2020-04-09 10:46:11 AM  
1 vote:
even before Coronavirus public transportation in many areas was in a downward spiral, ridership declines because people aren't confident they can get where they need in a reasonable time frame. so to make the budget balance as required by legislators they have to cut service which erodes confidence, so people don't ride...
 
2020-04-09 7:36:36 AM  
1 vote:

RecoveringLibertarian: jaylectricity: Why would public transportation be needed most right now?

A lot of grocery workers and cleaning(including medical/hospital cleaning) workers don't make enough to pay for a car, monthly insurance, gas etc...that's my guess


What... someone living pay cheque to pay cheque can't drop $10k on a 15 year old vechicle for fun?  Let alone the cost of a new car. (aka.. a car that actually works, and wont drop dead in a week)

If we are lucky, there will be some reforms in how how society works.  It isn't going to happen, but it's a nice dream.
 
2020-04-09 5:56:33 AM  
1 vote:

links136: jaylectricity: Why would public transportation be needed most right now?

Exsctly how am I supposed to take care of grandma or grandpa until 5 am?  Walk the 4 hour walk?  I'll bus thank you, or get a raise they that allows me to afford more than $100 a month for transportation.

Since people don't die for a few weeks.  Lemme guess, your that self centered as to not even realize that we'll.... Healthcare workers and food workers are quite poor so we could give tax cuts to assholes trying to kill you right now.


I kind of took it as "why is it needed now more than it normally is", which seems like a reasonable question about subby's "just when it's needed most" headline. It's always vitally important to many people, and nobody's suggesting it's not needed now. But lower ridership could be construed as a sign that it's needed less now than normally, if you equate "need" with ridership.
 
2020-04-09 3:55:01 AM  
1 vote:

stevesporn2000: I think you mean "due to cowardice and workers taking advantage of the opportunity to take a paid stay-cation" -- the NYC MTA for example has 5600 people vegging out at home while only 33 have died. The MTA has more than 50,000 employees, so 33 people dying in the area of the country progressing most quickly through infection is barely significant from a statistical level. I have never been more ashamed of my fellow countrymen until this past month.


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2020-04-09 3:52:22 AM  
1 vote:

MikeyFuccon: It's downright creepy, watching empty Ottawa city buses whizz by with one or two riders, if that.


At least it makes a change from seeing Ottawa light rail trains stopped due to _____ while crush loaded with passengers.

Here in Vancouver, ridership is down 90% system-wide. The urban ferry an rail lines are running at reduced frequencies while much of the bus network is running at mid-afternoon service levels all day with no capacity increases for the peaks.
 
2020-04-09 3:49:31 AM  
1 vote:
With the 6 trillion we're spending for stimulus, we could buy everyone in the country a motorcycle.
 
2020-04-09 3:39:30 AM  
1 vote:

MikeyFuccon: It's downright creepy, watching empty Ottawa city buses whizz by with one or two riders, if that.


Two days before the lockdown started here (Scotland) I took a ferry which from past experience I know would have been crowded with cars and foot passengers.. Three cars, two foot passengers.
 
2020-04-09 3:11:42 AM  
1 vote:
In Hungary at the start of this week they made all street parking free, nation wide, to get as many people off public as possible.

If you have good public and it's managed properly by the government - then you want to get as many people off it as you can right now. You just increase how much you subsidize it because of course when this is over you need it back to normal.
 
2020-04-09 3:06:08 AM  
1 vote:
Twenty or so days ago BART was asking for money.  Very efficiently run, by the best people obviously.

With some workers earning $100k in OT, you'd have thought they had a little bit more in the cash reserves department; especially since its bribe time an election year.
 
2020-04-09 2:32:24 AM  
1 vote:
In Buffalo, NY the buses are free now and they make you sit in the back. Front door is for wheelchairs only.
 
2020-04-09 2:18:01 AM  
1 vote:
San Francisco has eliminated all but core service bus routes, like 12 city wide. A friend who rode on a bus last week described it as a cesspool of contamination. So good riddance.
 
2020-04-09 2:17:07 AM  
1 vote:
Make antiviral paint pens.
Give those pens to graffiti artists.

Problem solved!
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