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2020-04-08 3:24:16 PM  
Because primary voters STOLE their votes from him and HANDED them to someone else.
 
2020-04-08 3:35:48 PM  
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2020-04-08 3:41:07 PM  
The primary was stolen! Primaries are about how loud and obnoxious your followers are online. It's not about the VOTES!!!

Noise > Votes

!!!!
 
2020-04-08 3:51:06 PM  
I love how everyone knows root causes, but only AFTER the events happen.
 
2020-04-08 3:53:53 PM  
Because back in 2016 his strong showing in the primaries wasn't because people liked him, they just hated Hilary.
 
2020-04-08 4:07:46 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I love how everyone knows root causes, but only AFTER the events happen.


Um...

Everyone said Bernie's toxic supporters would make his entire candidacy an uphill battle or downright impossible.

Everyone said his lack of willingness to compromise would paint him as "unelectable"

Everyone said if he was seen as unelectable, Biden/Klobuchar/Warren would likely benefit and/or win.

Everyone said without the support and enthusiasm from minorities he was doomed.

So yeah, a lot of people saw the flaws in Bernie's strategy for winning. But if we said it, the Bernie Brohs came down like a pile of bricks calling us Nazi Republican shills that don't believe in progress and want to savage the working class. I know I decided not to engage anymore and just let the vote count prove the point. I'm sure a lot of others did too.

There were a lot of things that harmed his candidacy, but the Bernie Brohs were the one thing that did him the most damage and the thing most people could not get past. We don't want our party to be like the GOP. We don't want to encourage followers to act the way president rectum face encourages his.

Without the Bernie Brohs and their toxic, obnoxious bullshiat, this probably would have been much closer.
 
2020-04-08 4:58:25 PM  
You have approximately 35 - 40% of the electorate that are voting for Trump because they believe he is moving everything in the right direction even though his ilk are robbing America blind. Willful ignorance and poor upbringing by a faction of white voters that directly led to the Trump "Grift of all Time" period, 2016 to who knows when. The incredible lack of respect for the law by Trump's collection of Grifters is the one thing that stood far out front to me and the acceptance of said behavior by his cult. It didn't hurt MSM carried his water all this time.

But here you go. Is it Stockholm syndrome the reason Americans WANT and ENJOY being under the thumb of ideological sociopaths like Trump and McConnell? It's almost unimaginable that it only took (2) Americans to fark up the whole shooting match that took approximately 250 years to build.

As an older American, I am disappointed in my generation (The Youngest Boomers) who have basically pushed this country to the Radical Right since the Reagan years and pushed hard. The issues of hate and "fark You-ism" took 30 years to grow roots and obviously, a lot of Americans jumped on board in 2016. Now the 4 year opportunity to get the nation back into the hands of the
people doesn't resonate well with the Democrats with the assumed conclusion of nominating Uncle Joe.

Here is a big secret. If you think there is going to be any difference between Biden and Trump in the big seat, keep farking that chicken. If Congress doesn't flip towards the (D) side of things, prepare for the inevitable outcome of "more of the same" no matter which of the presumed candidates win. Trump won enough votes because "he had balls" and "fark your feelings" in 2016. Don't think that is going to change.

Biden has no balls and he has no respect for anybody's feelings. He has proven this many times over during his career. He is an establishment cement statue who if he wins the 2020 election, will do nothing more than possibly get the unfilled positions within the federal government seated with his major donors in his 4 years. Which is infinitely better than what we've suffered through since everything changed in 2016.

Thus why I was a Sanders supporter. Actually, I had my eye on 4 of the presumptive (D)'s but none of them had any real charisma except Warren & Sanders. I demand a president that won't simply make the crimes of this administration go away like Biden, who doesn't have the balls to call out the Trump Brigade. I can hear Uncle Joe now. "No reason to drag the country down by investigating the most successful thief and liar in America. Trump didn't mean it and I'm okay with this Band of Gypsies running free to cause more trouble in the days to come".

At least Bernie or Elizabeth hopefully would've made it perfectly clear this behavior of the past 4 years will NOT be tolerated EVER AGAIN. The asses that deserve an ample kicking would be called out and brought back in line.  We would finally use our prison system to prove to the American people that the white collar crime is in fact, a crime that requires attention in a big way. The only difference between Trump & Madoff is Madoff did his evil deeds under the table and Trump did his evil deeds in a way that specifically shoved it up Americans' asses. The damage incurred is almost unthinkable and will take 25 years to correct.

I will hold my nose and vote for (D) no matter what but until the Democrats grow a set, this country is farked.

The lawsuit of Fox "News" should be the beginning of the rebuild however, I am not optimistic anybody in power will allow this. You have to have the media ally (Trump vs Fox) or you need to have the media enemy (Biden vs Fox) to keep the distractions in play.

Sorry for the TL;DR. I know I am not very smart and I appreciate the opportunity to speak my ramblings out loud. Very cathartic. Not really interested in any comments or whatever just as I'm sure no one else is interested in responding to my BS. I'm sure my fellow TFers can find a billion things to pick apart but please don't waste your time. It amazes me Americans keep refusing healthcare for all because of the cost however, think nothing of moving TRILLIONS into the pockets of the most corrupt citizens for no solid reasons plus, fund our military to the teeth. The military exists to protect business interests only and could not care less about their soldiers or the American people. Look at how this administration has treated military issues with such a lack of respect and a metric assload of disdain.

PS.
Nice job on the leadership put forth by Donnie and his cohorts for this latest pandemic with respect for American lives. I am sitting at home in quarantine with no pay because my company lied by declaring they were invaluable to the medical community which is absolutely not true. Essential, I think, is the key word. 2 of my co-workers are still hammering their belief in the "liberal hoax" thing. Too much prayer, not a lick of common sense. So .... profits over lives is big time here in PA.

I really didn't think my golden years were going to be such a pitiful mess.
 
2020-04-08 5:12:12 PM  
Because talking about voting isn't the same thing as voting.
 
2020-04-08 5:12:55 PM  

psilocyberguy: Here is a big secret. If you think there is going to be any difference between Biden and Trump in the big seat, keep farking that chicken. If Congress doesn't flip towards the (D) side of things, prepare for the inevitable outcome of "more of the same" no matter which of the presumed candidates win. Trump won enough votes because "he had balls" and "fark your feelings" in 2016. Don't think that is going to change.


If you think Joe Biden is the same as Trump, the Democratic party hasn't really lost a voter.
 
2020-04-08 5:13:08 PM  
But everyone I know on r/chapotraphouse voted for him. Or said they would if they could leave the house. HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN WHEN WE ARE THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ONLINE?
 
2020-04-08 5:14:01 PM  
He just wasn't inspiring enough
 
2020-04-08 5:14:59 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I love how everyone knows root causes, but only AFTER the events happen.


It's generally difficult to assess the root cause of an event before it happens.
 
2020-04-08 5:16:50 PM  
Bernie lost because a majority of voters voted for the OTHER old guy.
 
2020-04-08 5:17:15 PM  
You can tell the article is bullshiat because it mentions none of the well documented conspiracies against Bernie that I have meticulously documented on Facebook.
 
2020-04-08 5:17:21 PM  
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2020-04-08 5:18:08 PM  
Sanders relied exclusively on the enthusiastic support of a core group of followers but had either no interest or no ability to reach out to a wide audience or cultivate broad appeal.

In many ways, this is the same campaign strategy that Trump successfully employed. The problem is that Trump's core group of followers is much, much larger than Sanders' group, so I think Sanders' 2020 campaign was doomed from its inception.
 
2020-04-08 5:18:45 PM  
Sanders lost because for the bulk of his adult life he didn't want to refer to his politics as New Deal liberalism. He wanted to call them Socialist.

Some people had a problem with that.
 
2020-04-08 5:18:49 PM  

culebra: Because talking about voting isn't the same thing as voting.


And caucuses are misleading and outdated.
Of the states Bernie won as caucuses in 2016 that switched to primaries this year, he lost and lost handily.
They don't reflect who a state really wants as the nominee, they just lean toward the candidate whose supporters shout the loudest.
 
2020-04-08 5:18:52 PM  
Sanders supporters, are you ready to turn some of that fire on Trump?

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2020-04-08 5:19:51 PM  
He didn't get as many votes?
 
2020-04-08 5:20:49 PM  

Cubansaltyballs: Marcus Aurelius: I love how everyone knows root causes, but only AFTER the events happen.

Um...

Everyone said Bernie's toxic supporters would make his entire candidacy an uphill battle or downright impossible.

Everyone said his lack of willingness to compromise would paint him as "unelectable"

Everyone said if he was seen as unelectable, Biden/Klobuchar/Warren would likely benefit and/or win.

Everyone said without the support and enthusiasm from minorities he was doomed.

So yeah, a lot of people saw the flaws in Bernie's strategy for winning. But if we said it, the Bernie Brohs came down like a pile of bricks calling us Nazi Republican shills that don't believe in progress and want to savage the working class. I know I decided not to engage anymore and just let the vote count prove the point. I'm sure a lot of others did too.

There were a lot of things that harmed his candidacy, but the Bernie Brohs were the one thing that did him the most damage and the thing most people could not get past. We don't want our party to be like the GOP. We don't want to encourage followers to act the way president rectum face encourages his.

Without the Bernie Brohs and their toxic, obnoxious bullshiat, this probably would have been much closer.


Hurting your feels strangely absent from their analysis.
 
2020-04-08 5:21:24 PM  
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2020-04-08 5:22:36 PM  
He appealed to the white elite extended childhood college grads with debt up to their necks because they refused to grow up and make adult level choices. Most people grow out of this... Apparently Bernie supporters didn't.
 
2020-04-08 5:22:46 PM  

emtwo: Sanders relied exclusively on the enthusiastic support of a core group of followers but had either no interest or no ability to reach out to a wide audience or cultivate broad appeal.

In many ways, this is the same campaign strategy that Trump successfully employed. The problem is that Trump's core group of followers is much, much larger than Sanders' group, so I think Sanders' 2020 campaign was doomed from its inception.


He also banked on the centrist bloc to still remain divided like it was early in the primary.

It baffles me how shell shocked his campaign seemed to be when they all united behind Biden.
 
2020-04-08 5:23:40 PM  

Cubansaltyballs: The primary was stolen! Primaries are about how loud and obnoxious your followers are online. It's not about the VOTES!!!

Noise > Votes

!!!!


I prefer diehard MAGA guys to berniebros, at least they believe their cause is righteous enough to bother showing up to vote. Bernies fans are worse than those filthy neutrals.
 
2020-04-08 5:23:56 PM  
Sanders did not have much of a chance getting the African American vote.
He could not attack Biden without attacking Obama and that was never going to go well
 
2020-04-08 5:25:05 PM  
Biden won't last long in a world full of COVID-19 and the necessary physical interaction required of the presidency.

I hope Warren is his running mate.
 
2020-04-08 5:25:24 PM  
Also, after all the attention paid and all the money spent and all the analysis performed, the final result was exactly what the biggest dummy in the world could have predicted two years ago by looking at who was running, looking at the polling, looking at what happened in 2016, and then saying "yeah I guess Biden beats Bernie to win." Literally the last two years of lefty politics might as well have not happened.
 
2020-04-08 5:25:51 PM  
Because he's an old, cranky, get off my lawn type of guy, who went too far left for a lot of the primary electorate.
For right now, for better or worse with everything going on, most are looking for stability, not more major change.

/for full disclosure, over 60, but not yet cranky, and I do not care about my lawn. Liberal (NJ)
// worry about what Trump might try to pull come November, given the current circumstances
/// will vote for whomever the Dems put up.
//// House bound for 5 weeks now. Had the actual FLU just before they shut everything down.
// I think my isolation is making me start to hallucinate, this is a plus.
 
2020-04-08 5:25:53 PM  
Again:

From now on anyone attacking and besmirching Biden and/or Democrat will be considered a Trumper in Progressive clothing. The damage they inflict on the Progressive movement and it's goals and values is such that they can be considered nothing else, if they're not they might as well be.

The line in the sand is drawn crystal clear. Soon Sanders as well as AOC and the squad will wholeheartedly endorse Joe Biden. If you are not with Biden and the Democrats you are a de facto Trumper.

"For those who plan to sit this election out, or vote for Donald Trump, just stop. The livelihoods of millions of marginalized people are at stake. We must all fight like hell to get Donald Trump out of the White House and end the rise of fascism in this country."  - Rep. Ilhan Omar
 
2020-04-08 5:26:26 PM  
it's been proven that people dislike people that are smarter then them. also proven people are dumber then they think.
 
2020-04-08 5:27:05 PM  

Master of the Flying Guillotine: He didn't get as many votes?


COVID-19 dried up his fundraising stream no doubt.
 
2020-04-08 5:27:37 PM  

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2020-04-08 5:31:12 PM  
It's the bros.

It really is that simple. People want change, and they generally like Bernie's policies, as the polls bear out time and again. But the bros are a nonstarter. The people who call them worse than Trumpets are going a little too far, but not by all that much. And especially after four years of Trumpets crowing and running around, people are not prepared to put up with more of that shiat from Bernie's cult. And so Bernie gets rejected, time and time again. He finally started to figure this out near the end, but he wasn't willing to go against them strongly enough, and it may have been too late to save his campaign anyway.

So here we are. Hopefully the next revolutionary will learn from Bernie's mistake, and deny the bros a place at the table.
 
2020-04-08 5:31:26 PM  

culebra: Because talking about voting isn't the same thing as voting.


This
 
2020-04-08 5:31:58 PM  
As I've been told by many a BernieBro, a candidate that loses should ONLY blame themselves. Any outside factors, documented or otherwise, are irrelevant, because if a candidate was Good Enough, they would have won.
 
2020-04-08 5:32:26 PM  
Here's a map showing the states that Biden won to take the nomination:
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Question: do you think Biden is going to carry Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, Alabama, South Carolina, North Carolina in the general election? I don't. So Biden got the nomination by winning the primaries in a bunch of states that he can't carry in the general. And that's how you do that.
 
2020-04-08 5:32:37 PM  

Millennium: It's the bros.

It really is that simple. People want change, and they generally like Bernie's policies, as the polls bear out time and again. But the bros are a nonstarter. The people who call them worse than Trumpets are going a little too far, but not by all that much. And especially after four years of Trumpets crowing and running around, people are not prepared to put up with more of that shiat from Bernie's cult. And so Bernie gets rejected, time and time again. He finally started to figure this out near the end, but he wasn't willing to go against them strongly enough, and it may have been too late to save his campaign anyway.

So here we are. Hopefully the next revolutionary will learn from Bernie's mistake, and deny the bros a place at the table.


Didn't help that his campaign was staffed with them.
 
2020-04-08 5:33:42 PM  

zetar: Here's a map showing the states that Biden won to take the nomination:
[Fark user image image 850x565]Question: do you think Biden is going to carry Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, Alabama, South Carolina, North Carolina in the general election? I don't. So Biden got the nomination by winning the primaries in a bunch of states that he can't carry in the general. And that's how you do that.


How come Michigan isn't in purple?
 
2020-04-08 5:34:48 PM  

Fart_Machine: Cubansaltyballs: Marcus Aurelius: I love how everyone knows root causes, but only AFTER the events happen.

Um...

Everyone said Bernie's toxic supporters would make his entire candidacy an uphill battle or downright impossible.

Everyone said his lack of willingness to compromise would paint him as "unelectable"

Everyone said if he was seen as unelectable, Biden/Klobuchar/Warren would likely benefit and/or win.

Everyone said without the support and enthusiasm from minorities he was doomed.

So yeah, a lot of people saw the flaws in Bernie's strategy for winning. But if we said it, the Bernie Brohs came down like a pile of bricks calling us Nazi Republican shills that don't believe in progress and want to savage the working class. I know I decided not to engage anymore and just let the vote count prove the point. I'm sure a lot of others did too.

There were a lot of things that harmed his candidacy, but the Bernie Brohs were the one thing that did him the most damage and the thing most people could not get past. We don't want our party to be like the GOP. We don't want to encourage followers to act the way president rectum face encourages his.

Without the Bernie Brohs and their toxic, obnoxious bullshiat, this probably would have been much closer.

Hurting your feels strangely absent from their analysis.


Is "toxic" this new buzzword that's going around lately?

Seriously, I've never met any of these Bros in real life, only on the internet, and even then, they're the equivalent of the flies around BBQ at a picnic. The way Fark would have you believe it, they're scarier and deadlier than the equivalent of a thousand pit vipers.

Then again, my motto is, if you're afraid of those losers, you won't stand a chance against the MAGA crowd.
 
2020-04-08 5:34:56 PM  

zetar: Here's a map showing the states that Biden won to take the nomination:
[Fark user image 850x565]Question: do you think Biden is going to carry Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, Alabama, South Carolina, North Carolina in the general election? I don't. So Biden got the nomination by winning the primaries in a bunch of states that he can't carry in the general. And that's how you do that.


Look around you. All bets are off. Truly sadly, many Trump voters won't be around to vote because they were killed by believing Trump and Fox News that the virus was a hoax.
 
2020-04-08 5:35:56 PM  

zetar: Here's a map showing the states that Biden won to take the nomination:
[Fark user image 850x565]Question: do you think Biden is going to carry Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, Alabama, South Carolina, North Carolina in the general election? I don't. So Biden got the nomination by winning the primaries in a bunch of states that he can't carry in the general. And that's how you do that.


Good point. What do you suggest instead? Would your proposed solution involve some sort of weighting system that makes the votes of millions of African Americans in the South worth less?
 
2020-04-08 5:36:04 PM  

Mrtraveler01: zetar: Here's a map showing the states that Biden won to take the nomination:
[Fark user image image 850x565]Question: do you think Biden is going to carry Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, Alabama, South Carolina, North Carolina in the general election? I don't. So Biden got the nomination by winning the primaries in a bunch of states that he can't carry in the general. And that's how you do that.

How come Michigan isn't in purple?


Wow. Good catch. I just GIS, "Biden 2020 primary states" and got this. It's from the NY Times.
 
2020-04-08 5:36:36 PM  

zetar: Here's a map showing the states that Biden won to take the nomination:
[Fark user image 850x565]Question: do you think Biden is going to carry Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, Alabama, South Carolina, North Carolina in the general election? I don't. So Biden got the nomination by winning the primaries in a bunch of states that he can't carry in the general. And that's how you do that.


You left off Washington and Michigan for reasons, I guess.
 
2020-04-08 5:36:57 PM  

Epic Fap Session: zetar: Here's a map showing the states that Biden won to take the nomination:
[Fark user image 850x565]Question: do you think Biden is going to carry Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, Alabama, South Carolina, North Carolina in the general election? I don't. So Biden got the nomination by winning the primaries in a bunch of states that he can't carry in the general. And that's how you do that.

Good point. What do you suggest instead? Would your proposed solution involve some sort of weighting system that makes the votes of millions of African Americans in the South worth less?


I've got no idea. I'm just saying I don't think Biden can do this in the general.
 
2020-04-08 5:37:07 PM  

zetar: Here's a map showing the states that Biden won to take the nomination:
[Fark user image 850x565]Question: do you think Biden is going to carry Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, Alabama, South Carolina, North Carolina in the general election? I don't. So Biden got the nomination by winning the primaries in a bunch of states that he can't carry in the general. And that's how you do that.


Do you think Biden is not going to win California?
Biden won more of the swing states
 
2020-04-08 5:37:20 PM  

zetar: Here's a map showing the states that Biden won to take the nomination:
[Fark user image 850x565]Question: do you think Biden is going to carry Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, Alabama, South Carolina, North Carolina in the general election? I don't. So Biden got the nomination by winning the primaries in a bunch of states that he can't carry in the general. And that's how you do that.


Pretty sure Biden won Illinois
 
2020-04-08 5:37:23 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Millennium: It's the bros.

It really is that simple. People want change, and they generally like Bernie's policies, as the polls bear out time and again. But the bros are a nonstarter. The people who call them worse than Trumpets are going a little too far, but not by all that much. And especially after four years of Trumpets crowing and running around, people are not prepared to put up with more of that shiat from Bernie's cult. And so Bernie gets rejected, time and time again. He finally started to figure this out near the end, but he wasn't willing to go against them strongly enough, and it may have been too late to save his campaign anyway.

So here we are. Hopefully the next revolutionary will learn from Bernie's mistake, and deny the bros a place at the table.

Didn't help that his campaign was staffed with them.


Sanders Supporters: "No person should be too poor to live."

Trump Supporters: "Neo-Nazis are very fine people."

CNN: "They're so similar to each other!"
 
2020-04-08 5:37:27 PM  

psilocyberguy: As an older American, I am disappointed in my generation (The Youngest Boomers) who have basically pushed this country to the Radical Right since the Reagan years and pushed hard. The issues of hate and "fark You-ism" took 30 years to grow roots and obviously, a lot of Americans jumped on board in 2016. Now the 4 year opportunity to get the nation back into the hands of thepeople doesn't resonate well with the Democrats with the assumed conclusion of nominating Uncle Joe.


This for me is the core of your argument.  Like you, I am a Gen Jones Boomer/Older Xer.  I don't have any vivid personal memories of the political sacrifices and idealism of the older Boomers, only those of growing up in the wake of their lingering hopes.  However, when I look back to the start of my adulthood, what I do remember is Reagan and the palpable shift away from that idealism.  For the most part, we accepted early on that whatever ground the older Boomers had gained, we weren't even going to try to hold.

/As I posted in another thread, I cannot believe that Biden - BIDEN - is the Dem nominee.
 
2020-04-08 5:37:55 PM  

zetar: Mrtraveler01: zetar: Here's a map showing the states that Biden won to take the nomination:
[Fark user image image 850x565]Question: do you think Biden is going to carry Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, Alabama, South Carolina, North Carolina in the general election? I don't. So Biden got the nomination by winning the primaries in a bunch of states that he can't carry in the general. And that's how you do that.

How come Michigan isn't in purple?

Wow. Good catch. I just GIS, "Biden 2020 primary states" and got this. It's from the NY Times.


You might as well color Wisconsin purple too. Bernie knows it, or he wouldn't have suspended his campaign.
 
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