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(Foreign Policy)   Navy Sec. Modly's apology to Captain Crozier and the Roosevelt crew came less from a change of heart on his part and more from a direct order from the Secretary of Defense   (foreignpolicy.com) divider line
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TWX [TotalFark]
2020-04-07 2:51:28 PM  
"I'm hearing good things about both people. I may just get involved," Trump told reporters in the White House briefing room on Monday night. "I don't want to destroy somebody for having a bad day."

Oh go fark yourself with a rusty aircraft carrier.

Captain of one of our most powerful units, arguably one of the most powerful units in the history of warfare, put the lives of his crew first.  Even if the Navy chooses to scapegoat him for unit-readiness issues, it is not appropriate for a superior, civilian or military, to make any public complaints about this captain at all, let alone in some kind of bizarre loudspeaker address throughout the bowels of the ship.

Modly needs to be relieved of his acting position in government, a position that he's demonstrated he's unfit for to begin with.
 
2020-04-07 2:57:14 PM  
As much as Esper is probably a mother*cker, he was an officer and knows that is not how you handle anything in the military.

So, yay... he did one thing right. Hooray.
 
2020-04-07 3:20:56 PM  
The only reason he is resigning is because someone recorded his asshole speech.
 
2020-04-07 3:22:58 PM  
Bye, asshole.  Do please try to avoid any unfortunate door/ass incidents on your way out.
 
2020-04-07 3:23:47 PM  
This is not a good death.
There is NO honor in it.
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2020-04-07 3:25:22 PM  
a reminder that everything trump touches dies.

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jbc [TotalFark]
2020-04-07 3:25:37 PM  
Make that dumb mofo kiss the gunner's daughter.
 
2020-04-07 3:27:15 PM  
And just exactly what were you expecting from the environment the Trump* administration has begat?
Which brings up, what do you expect from the next FUBAR?
 
2020-04-07 3:27:31 PM  

Torgo_of_Manos: a reminder that everything trump touches dies.

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I don't think he quite grasps what "legally" means in this instance.
 
2020-04-07 3:41:23 PM  
Every leadership school I went to taught that you do NOT berate soldiers in front of their peers and subordinates. Which box of Cracker Jacks did this asshole get his education from?
 
2020-04-07 3:42:42 PM  

Torgo_of_Manos: a reminder that everything trump touches dies.

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I don't think he quite grasps what "legally" means in this instance.

I'm not 100% but i think cops are not allowed to arrest enlisted men they just turn them to mp's (and mp's would also be sailors in this instance ... so ) legally *wink*
 
2020-04-07 3:42:51 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Bye, asshole.  Do please try to avoid any unfortunate door/ass incidents on your way out.


It says Modly offered his resignation.  Doesn't say whether it was accepted.
 
2020-04-07 3:43:03 PM  
Modly: "Crozier shouldn't have written something that would be leaked and look bad for the Nazy... So I am writing this so it will be leaked and look bad for the Navy!!!"
 
2020-04-07 3:43:19 PM  
Now the question is whether Sec "Hairplugs" Modly's resignation will be accepted.

Knowing this administration, it'll probably be rejected.

Then, after an even more loyal toady is going, he'll be quietly fired late on a Friday night.
 
2020-04-07 3:44:06 PM  
going = found
 
2020-04-07 3:46:27 PM  
Modly did the EXACT thing he attacked Crozier for - But at least Crozier did it to try to help his men.
 
2020-04-07 3:46:47 PM  

CthulhuCalling: Every leadership school I went to taught that you do NOT berate soldiers in front of their peers and subordinates. Which box of Cracker Jacks did this asshole get his education from?


I haven't gone to any leadership school, and what I've learned about leadership comes from common sense and learning from my mistakes.  I can't imagine shredding my direct subordinate in front of the people s/he is supposed to be leading.  It would completely undermine them as an authority, and since my assistants are promoted from within, it would discourage the best talent from seeking to move up and work for me directly.

I mean, that's about as basic an understanding about dealing with an organization of people as you can get.
 
2020-04-07 3:46:52 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Bye, asshole.  Do please try to avoid any unfortunate door/ass incidents on your way out.


Oh, I want him to have a door incident, but cannot describe what that would be on a public site.
Not pretty though.
 
2020-04-07 3:47:53 PM  

CthulhuCalling: Every leadership school I went to taught that you do NOT berate soldiers in front of their peers and subordinates. Which box of Cracker Jacks did this asshole get his education from?


Checks notes...The US Naval Academy.
 
2020-04-07 3:48:07 PM  
shiatbag can get farked
 
2020-04-07 3:48:20 PM  
Acting Navy Secretary.
 
2020-04-07 3:48:52 PM  
Modly's rant was "profanity laced"? Really? Is there an R-rated version we didn't hear? Cuz I don't consider "naive" and "stupid" profanity and that kinda kills the "swear like a drunken sailor" saying.
 
2020-04-07 3:49:50 PM  

VisualiseThis: CthulhuCalling: Every leadership school I went to taught that you do NOT berate soldiers in front of their peers and subordinates. Which box of Cracker Jacks did this asshole get his education from?

Checks notes...The US Naval Academy.


That's a bingo!
 
2020-04-07 3:50:29 PM  
 
2020-04-07 3:50:38 PM  

VisualiseThis: CthulhuCalling: Every leadership school I went to taught that you do NOT berate soldiers in front of their peers and subordinates. Which box of Cracker Jacks did this asshole get his education from?

Checks notes...The US Naval Academy.


You mean The South Maryland Boat and Barge Institute.
 
2020-04-07 3:52:21 PM  

Badmoodman: Modly's rant was "profanity laced"? Really? Is there an R-rated version we didn't hear? Cuz I don't consider "naive" and "stupid" profanity and that kinda kills the "swear like a drunken sailor" saying.


You didn't listen to the whole 15 minute recording of the tirade.

What you didn't hear is worse than the part you did, but you have to think about it a moment to recognise how bad it is.

It's worse but not as sound bite friendly.
 
2020-04-07 3:52:22 PM  

Program User: Now the question is whether Sec "Hairplugs" Modly's resignation will be accepted.

Knowing this administration, it'll probably be rejected.

Then, after an even more loyal toady is going, he'll be quietly fired late on a Friday night.


Nah, Donnie's cowardly MO is to have someone fired after he leaves town to go golfing. Now that he's stuck in the WH, it's just easier to accept the resignation.
 
2020-04-07 3:52:33 PM  

Badmoodman: Modly's rant was "profanity laced"? Really? Is there an R-rated version we didn't hear? Cuz I don't consider "naive" and "stupid" profanity and that kinda kills the "swear like a drunken sailor" saying.


You need to listen to the whole thing, not just the funny bits at 1:58.
 
2020-04-07 3:54:42 PM  

NewportBarGuy: As much as Esper is probably a mother*cker, he was an officer and knows that is not how you handle anything in the military.

So, yay... he did one thing right. Hooray.


And so was Modly. You forget, both of these sh*tbirds were chosen by the Cheeto. They have no loyalty to custom, morale, or the Constitution, only to the Cheeto.
 
2020-04-07 3:55:44 PM  

gilgigamesh: Benevolent Misanthrope: Bye, asshole.  Do please try to avoid any unfortunate door/ass incidents on your way out.

It says Modly offered his resignation.  Doesn't say whether it was accepted.


I can still say Bye if I want to.
 
2020-04-07 3:55:46 PM  
Bye asshole, bye.
 
2020-04-07 3:57:13 PM  

bluewave69: Torgo_of_Manos: a reminder that everything trump touches dies.

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I don't think he quite grasps what "legally" means in this instance.

I'm not 100% but i think cops are not allowed to arrest enlisted men they just turn them to mp's (and mp's would also be sailors in this instance ... so ) legally *wink*


Nope, as far as civilian law goes we can be arrested like anyone else. Now it might create even more problems for us, but that's not law enforcement's issue.

We have had this issue in the past where police grab a Soldier for drunk driving and then want to just turn the Soldier over to command with no further civilian action.
 
2020-04-07 3:57:40 PM  
If there was real justice in the world, he would have fallen on his sword to make good for his dishonor.
 
2020-04-07 3:58:25 PM  

Markoff_Cheney: The only reason he is resigning is because someone recorded his asshole speech.


I missed it, is there a copy floating around?
 
2020-04-07 3:59:07 PM  

gilgigamesh: Benevolent Misanthrope: Bye, asshole.  Do please try to avoid any unfortunate door/ass incidents on your way out.

It says Modly offered his resignation.  Doesn't say whether it was accepted.


IMO it'll be accepted. The giant orange head saw how pissed the sailors were and doesn't want to lose their votes.
 
2020-04-07 4:01:46 PM  

apoptotic: gilgigamesh: Benevolent Misanthrope: Bye, asshole.  Do please try to avoid any unfortunate door/ass incidents on your way out.

It says Modly offered his resignation.  Doesn't say whether it was accepted.

IMO it'll be accepted. The giant orange head saw how pissed the sailors were and doesn't want to lose their votes.


WHOLE LOTTA THIS
 
2020-04-07 4:02:41 PM  
Trump announced on Monday that he intended to nominate a new Pentagon inspector general, Jason Abend, on Monday.

LOL ABEND. Wonder how many old IBM programmers there are in the Navy...
 
2020-04-07 4:02:53 PM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: Markoff_Cheney: The only reason he is resigning is because someone recorded his asshole speech.

I missed it, is there a copy floating around?


https://soundcloud.com/paul-szoldra/a​c​ting-secnav-modley-criticizing-capt-cr​ozier-to-sailors-onboard-uss-theodore-​roosevelt
 
2020-04-07 4:05:22 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Badmoodman: Modly's rant was "profanity laced"? Really? Is there an R-rated version we didn't hear? Cuz I don't consider "naive" and "stupid" profanity and that kinda kills the "swear like a drunken sailor" saying.

You need to listen to the whole thing, not just the funny bits at 1:58.


Ok, thanks. I didn't wanna listen to that putz.
 
2020-04-07 4:06:02 PM  
If Modly's lucky, they'll make a movie out of his career as acting secretary.  Herman Wouk wrote a book after dealing with incompetent commanders in the Navy, "Caine Mutiny":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cai​n​e_Mutiny

Wouk died last year at 104.
 
2020-04-07 4:06:16 PM  

CthulhuCalling: Every leadership school I went to taught that you do NOT berate soldiers in front of their peers and subordinates. Which box of Cracker Jacks did this asshole get his education from?


For a time, I worked with the first person to be relieved of command of a boomer.   His case is literally text book on how NOT to lead.
 
2020-04-07 4:11:19 PM  
So he's about to get shiatcanned too for upsetting Fecal Midas?
 
2020-04-07 4:11:46 PM  
I read snippets. "Of course I don't think that the captain is naive or stupid. Just because I said that he is doesn't mean I think he is."
 
2020-04-07 4:11:48 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: gilgigamesh: Benevolent Misanthrope: Bye, asshole.  Do please try to avoid any unfortunate door/ass incidents on your way out.

It says Modly offered his resignation.  Doesn't say whether it was accepted.

I can still say Bye if I want to.


. We can leave your friends behind
Cause your friends don't say Bye and if they don't say Bye
Well they're are no friends of mine
 
2020-04-07 4:13:24 PM  

Torgo_of_Manos: a reminder that everything trump touches dies.

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Sailors would never do that. They are far to honorable and professional. Now, he may fall down at a lot of bars. He may fall down a lot.
 
2020-04-07 4:13:25 PM  
Navy officials said the remarks were intended to be private, though audio of the incident had leaked in the press.

The remarks that were broadcast over a ship-wide public address system?
 
2020-04-07 4:14:28 PM  
Who even needed to hear this guy speak to know he was a piece of shiat? Whether it was the 'acting' label by trump, or just the look of him, he was an easily identifiable piece of trash at first notice. He looks like the bad guy from a Sandler movie. All of trump's people look like some kind of villain or idiot from a Sandler movie.
 
2020-04-07 4:14:52 PM  

gilgigamesh: CthulhuCalling: Every leadership school I went to taught that you do NOT berate soldiers in front of their peers and subordinates. Which box of Cracker Jacks did this asshole get his education from?

I haven't gone to any leadership school, and what I've learned about leadership comes from common sense and learning from my mistakes.  I can't imagine shredding my direct subordinate in front of the people s/he is supposed to be leading.  It would completely undermine them as an authority, and since my assistants are promoted from within, it would discourage the best talent from seeking to move up and work for me directly.

I mean, that's about as basic an understanding about dealing with an organization of people as you can get.


Compliment in public, criticize in private. Good news comes from the immediate superior, bad news comes from the very top.

Of course, you only follow those rules if you want the organization to succeed. If all you care about is your personal power, you go the opposite.
 
2020-04-07 4:16:08 PM  

NutWrench: Navy officials said the remarks were intended to be private, though audio of the incident had leaked in the press.

The remarks that were broadcast over a ship-wide public address system?


Never say anything on 1MC that you don't want to see on the front page of the New York Times.
 
2020-04-07 4:16:52 PM  
Navy sec resigns without ever being confirmed. Press sec resigns, without ever hold a press conference. Typical day in Trumpland, we don't ever think anything of it any more.
 
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