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(The Daily Beast)   Capt. Brett Crozier, who was fired for raising the alarm about Covid-19 spreading around his ship, has tested positive for the virus   (thedailybeast.com) divider line
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2020-04-05 1:50:52 PM  
Can he sue for this? How many more are sick on that ship? This is a nightmare. I'm so tired of this shiatty government. If we survive this I might have to move. I don't trust our federal government and that's an enormous problem.
 
2020-04-05 1:54:44 PM  
worst timeline gets worser
 
2020-04-05 1:57:33 PM  

Butterflew: Can he sue for this? How many more are sick on that ship? This is a nightmare. I'm so tired of this shiatty government. If we survive this I might have to move. I don't trust our federal government and that's an enormous problem.


It's the military, of course he can't sue. You can't even sue military doctors for malpractice.
 
2020-04-05 1:59:11 PM  

Ambivalence: Butterflew: Can he sue for this? How many more are sick on that ship? This is a nightmare. I'm so tired of this shiatty government. If we survive this I might have to move. I don't trust our federal government and that's an enormous problem.

It's the military, of course he can't sue. You can't even sue military doctors for malpractice.


That's terrible.
 
2020-04-05 2:06:27 PM  
Christ, can't you all accept it when the Trump administration does something right?  They got a sick man off of a ship before he could infect anyone else!

/ow ow stop throwing things
 
2020-04-05 2:15:26 PM  
Have those service men and women been allowed to disembark? This might ruin trump's numbers.
 
2020-04-05 2:23:07 PM  

Ambivalence: Have those service men and women been allowed to disembark? This might ruin trump's numbers.


I do know that after his dismissal more crew members got sick. I haven't seen anything about them disembarking. I'm gonna check....

Ah... Looks like they're being let out in Guam. So you know, only raises the numbers in a territory, and we know how Trump feels about American territories.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-0​2​/coronavirus-us-navy-sailors-to-disemb​ark-in-guam/12113406

God,I hate this.
 
2020-04-05 2:48:44 PM  
Trump: "Aww, that's too bad."
 
2020-04-05 2:49:23 PM  
He just wanted to see Montana, dammit!
 
2020-04-05 2:49:40 PM  

Butterflew: Can he sue for this? How many more are sick on that ship? This is a nightmare. I'm so tired of this shiatty government. If we survive this I might have to move. I don't trust our federal government and that's an enormous problem.


I'm going to see how November shakes out, but if Biden ends up as the frontrunner and enough people decide not to vote for him because "reasons" and we're staring down the barrel of 4 more years of President shiathole, then yeah, this country is done.

They're literally killing the American people to turn a profit.  There is no lower they can go, profiting off of the dead is pretty much the floor, the only step left is just widespread death out of pure hate, and maybe slavery.  We're arguably at slavery already.
 
2020-04-05 2:50:44 PM  
Perhaps he can meet up in the Oval Office and hand in a formal letter of resignation in person to his boss?
 
2020-04-05 2:50:58 PM  
That's why he was ordered into isolation, not fired. See, top brass are smrt!
 
2020-04-05 2:52:29 PM  

Ambivalence: Butterflew: Can he sue for this? How many more are sick on that ship? This is a nightmare. I'm so tired of this shiatty government. If we survive this I might have to move. I don't trust our federal government and that's an enormous problem.

It's the military, of course he can't sue. You can't even sue military doctors for malpractice.


Trump could intervene, as he has done in other military personnel decisions, but I'm sure he won't. Captain Crozier didn't film himself desecrating the corpses of any brown people that I'm aware of.
 
2020-04-05 2:53:18 PM  

Bslim: He just wanted to see Montana, dammit!


He forgot to bring his zircon encrusted tweezers.
 
2020-04-05 2:54:27 PM  

some_beer_drinker: worst timeline gets worser


There's always the timeline where the Nazis win. I know it's a low bar, but... just saying.
 
2020-04-05 2:55:04 PM  

Bslim: He just wanted to see Montana, dammit!


Me, too. :(

/stuck in ND until the curves flatten
//missing family more than usual
///
 
2020-04-05 2:56:52 PM  
When will SECNAV ask him for an apology for spreading rumors?

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2020-04-05 3:00:04 PM  

Butterflew: Ambivalence: Have those service men and women been allowed to disembark? This might ruin trump's numbers.

I do know that after his dismissal more crew members got sick. I haven't seen anything about them disembarking. I'm gonna check....

Ah... Looks like they're being let out in Guam. So you know, only raises the numbers in a territory, and we know how Trump feels about American territories.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-02​/coronavirus-us-navy-sailors-to-disemb​ark-in-guam/12113406

God,I hate this.


Yeah. We do.
 
2020-04-05 3:03:41 PM  
Irony is just a cruel farking biatch.
 
2020-04-05 3:06:17 PM  

sleze: When will SECNAV ask him for an apology for spreading rumors?

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I hope I'm not right about any more of what I posted 2 days ago.

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2020-04-05 3:17:41 PM  

sleze: When will SECNAV ask him for an apology for spreading rumors?

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Whaaaat? SMH
 
2020-04-05 3:19:10 PM  
 
2020-04-05 3:24:52 PM  
OMG, Hillary got to him!
 
2020-04-05 3:26:53 PM  

Ambivalence: Butterflew: Can he sue for this? How many more are sick on that ship? This is a nightmare. I'm so tired of this shiatty government. If we survive this I might have to move. I don't trust our federal government and that's an enormous problem.

It's the military, of course he can't sue. You can't even sue military doctors for malpractice.


yup. Feres Doctrine. Let's vets be guinea pigs, basically.

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-​s​ecurity/475024-congress-grants-militar​y-members-partial-victory-but-feres-do​ctrine
 
2020-04-05 3:40:57 PM  
That's not why he was fired

That's not why he was fired

That's not why he was fired.

He deserved to get the boot now...

Ole ole ole.

/Trying to go for the old groucho marx animal crackers bit there.  It didn't work.  But I got my point across.
//Stop with this stupid moronic lie.
 
2020-04-05 3:48:12 PM  
He can't sue but his family can sue on his behalf.
 
2020-04-05 3:56:50 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: Ambivalence: Butterflew: Can he sue for this? How many more are sick on that ship? This is a nightmare. I'm so tired of this shiatty government. If we survive this I might have to move. I don't trust our federal government and that's an enormous problem.

It's the military, of course he can't sue. You can't even sue military doctors for malpractice.

Trump could intervene, as he has done in other military personnel decisions, but I'm sure he won't. Captain Crozier didn't film himself desecrating the corpses of any brown people that I'm aware of.


Disclaimer: I've tried to stay away from the COVID news, but this caught my eye. Sorry if this ground has been well trodden here.


The thing that I found interesting was Trump's comments that "This isn't a class on literature. This is a captain of a massive ship that's nuclear-powered. He shouldn't be talking that way in a letter," and "the letter was all over the place."
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/b​r​ett-cozier-trump-terrible-coronavirus-​warship_n_5e8908d1c5b6cc1e47769d8e

This led me to find and read the letter myself. It is available here:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/a​r​ticle/Exclusive-Captain-of-aircraft-ca​rrier-with-15167883.php

While this may seem like such a small issue to parse given all that is going on, Trump's assessment of this letter is testimony to his illiteracy. The document is clearly written, well structured, and extremely focused. It efficiently lays out the nature and extent of the problem. I know that Trump often just makes mouth noises, but Trump's specific complaints about the writing infers that he doesn't have the ability, or the care, to stick with writing that should be accessible to an average junior high student. I know, I know - stuff we already knew. It is just such a striking example.
 
2020-04-05 4:06:28 PM  

northgrave: The thing that I found interesting was Trump's comments that "This isn't a class on literature. This is a captain of a massive ship that's nuclear-powered. He shouldn't be talking that way in a letter," and "the letter was all over the place."
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/br​ett-cozier-trump-terrible-coronavirus-​warship_n_5e8908d1c5b6cc1e47769d8e

This led me to find and read the letter myself. It is available here:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/ar​ticle/Exclusive-Captain-of-aircraft-ca​rrier-with-15167883.php

While this may seem like such a small issue to parse given all that is going on, Trump's assessment of this letter is testimony to his illiteracy. The document is clearly written, well structured, and extremely focused. It efficiently lays out the nature and extent of the problem. I know that Trump often just makes mouth noises, but Trump's specific complaints about the writing infers that he doesn't have the ability, or the care, to stick with writing that should be accessible to an average junior high student. I know, I know - stuff we already knew. It is just such a striking example.


President Trump also slammed Crozier's letter, claiming that the former captain "shouldn't be talking that way in a letter. "I thought it was terrible what he did, to write a letter," he reportedly said. "This isn't a class on literature. This is a captain of a massive ship that's nuclear-powered... the letter was all over the place. That's not appropriate. I don't think that's appropriate."

Came here to post about this. WTF. !TRUMP! complaining about meandering and poor writing! WTF!
 
2020-04-05 4:08:55 PM  

northgrave: forgotmydamnusername: Ambivalence: Butterflew: Can he sue for this? How many more are sick on that ship? This is a nightmare. I'm so tired of this shiatty government. If we survive this I might have to move. I don't trust our federal government and that's an enormous problem.

It's the military, of course he can't sue. You can't even sue military doctors for malpractice.

Trump could intervene, as he has done in other military personnel decisions, but I'm sure he won't. Captain Crozier didn't film himself desecrating the corpses of any brown people that I'm aware of.

Disclaimer: I've tried to stay away from the COVID news, but this caught my eye. Sorry if this ground has been well trodden here.


The thing that I found interesting was Trump's comments that "This isn't a class on literature. This is a captain of a massive ship that's nuclear-powered. He shouldn't be talking that way in a letter," and "the letter was all over the place."
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/br​ett-cozier-trump-terrible-coronavirus-​warship_n_5e8908d1c5b6cc1e47769d8e

This led me to find and read the letter myself. It is available here:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/ar​ticle/Exclusive-Captain-of-aircraft-ca​rrier-with-15167883.php

While this may seem like such a small issue to parse given all that is going on, Trump's assessment of this letter is testimony to his illiteracy. The document is clearly written, well structured, and extremely focused. It efficiently lays out the nature and extent of the problem. I know that Trump often just makes mouth noises, but Trump's specific complaints about the writing infers that he doesn't have the ability, or the care, to stick with writing that should be accessible to an average junior high student. I know, I know - stuff we already knew. It is just such a striking example.


I'd say Trump's idiotic statement shows what an asshole he is, but also that he has no idea what the letter actually says. Someone told him it was critical and all he could process was that it was critical of him and thus it was inappropriate. That's really all his mind ever processes.
 
2020-04-05 4:11:21 PM  
IIRC, and please correct me if I am, he was relieved of command because he complained about his superiors inaction through external channels (i.e. public).

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/us​/​politics/coronavirus-brett-crozier-the​odore-roosevelt.html

I do not wish the Captain ill or judge his actions, but if you air concerns about the immediate readiness of the military and you're in the military that has to go up the chain.  Maybe he knew this and was willing to sacrifice his command out of concern for the welfare of those under him.  Command cannot allow some things into the public domain.

Godspeed Captain, I hope you kick this thing quickly.
 
2020-04-05 4:12:14 PM  
How did the ship get infected in the first place? Did he do something stupid like deciding to put into an Asian port in the midst of a pandemic? Did he go do something even more stupid like deciding that it was OK to give shore liberty as long as the sailors had their temperature taken when they got back aboard?
 
2020-04-05 4:12:52 PM  

Ishkur: some_beer_drinker: worst timeline gets worser

There's always the timeline where the Nazis win. I know it's a low bar, but... just saying.


Yeah. This one.
 
2020-04-05 4:14:30 PM  

northgrave: forgotmydamnusername: Ambivalence: Butterflew: Can he sue for this? How many more are sick on that ship? This is a nightmare. I'm so tired of this shiatty government. If we survive this I might have to move. I don't trust our federal government and that's an enormous problem.

It's the military, of course he can't sue. You can't even sue military doctors for malpractice.

Trump could intervene, as he has done in other military personnel decisions, but I'm sure he won't. Captain Crozier didn't film himself desecrating the corpses of any brown people that I'm aware of.

Disclaimer: I've tried to stay away from the COVID news, but this caught my eye. Sorry if this ground has been well trodden here.


The thing that I found interesting was Trump's comments that "This isn't a class on literature. This is a captain of a massive ship that's nuclear-powered. He shouldn't be talking that way in a letter," and "the letter was all over the place."
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/br​ett-cozier-trump-terrible-coronavirus-​warship_n_5e8908d1c5b6cc1e47769d8e

This led me to find and read the letter myself. It is available here:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/ar​ticle/Exclusive-Captain-of-aircraft-ca​rrier-with-15167883.php

While this may seem like such a small issue to parse given all that is going on, Trump's assessment of this letter is testimony to his illiteracy. The document is clearly written, well structured, and extremely focused. It efficiently lays out the nature and extent of the problem. I know that Trump often just makes mouth noises, but Trump's specific complaints about the writing infers that he doesn't have the ability, or the care, to stick with writing that should be accessible to an average junior high student. I know, I know - stuff we already knew. It is just such a striking example.


I think I recall the letter consisting of three pages. How much of that do you think Trump actually could or world read?
 
2020-04-05 4:15:47 PM  

Odd Bird: IIRC, and please correct me if I am, he was relieved of command because he complained about his superiors inaction through external channels (i.e. public).

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/us/​politics/coronavirus-brett-crozier-the​odore-roosevelt.html

I do not wish the Captain ill or judge his actions, but if you air concerns about the immediate readiness of the military and you're in the military that has to go up the chain.  Maybe he knew this and was willing to sacrifice his command out of concern for the welfare of those under him.  Command cannot allow some things into the public domain.

Godspeed Captain, I hope you kick this thing quickly.


This. Declaring one of America's aircraft carriers combat ineffective to the press before you inform your chain of command is asking to be dismissed. But then, there's a book deal and defense commentator job at MSNBC waiting for him...
 
2020-04-05 4:16:06 PM  

Alien Robot: How did the ship get infected in the first place? Did he do something stupid like deciding to put into an Asian port in the midst of a pandemic? Did he go do something even more stupid like deciding that it was OK to give shore liberty as long as the sailors had their temperature taken when they got back aboard?


Well, his Commander in Chief was saying there was nothing to worry about so maybe the good captain took the cue from him.
 
2020-04-05 4:17:58 PM  

Alien Robot: Odd Bird: IIRC, and please correct me if I am, he was relieved of command because he complained about his superiors inaction through external channels (i.e. public).

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/us/​politics/coronavirus-brett-crozier-the​odore-roosevelt.html

I do not wish the Captain ill or judge his actions, but if you air concerns about the immediate readiness of the military and you're in the military that has to go up the chain.  Maybe he knew this and was willing to sacrifice his command out of concern for the welfare of those under him.  Command cannot allow some things into the public domain.

Godspeed Captain, I hope you kick this thing quickly.

This. Declaring one of America's aircraft carriers combat ineffective to the press before you inform your chain of command is asking to be dismissed. But then, there's a book deal and defense commentator job at MSNBC waiting for him...


YOU LIE!

He did no such thing. The letter was leaked and there is no indication it was leaked by him. If it turns out he did leak it, I'll be the first to offer lashes at the mast.
 
2020-04-05 4:18:50 PM  

Alien Robot: How did the ship get infected in the first place? Did he do something stupid like deciding to put into an Asian port in the midst of a pandemic? Did he go do something even more stupid like deciding that it was OK to give shore liberty as long as the sailors had their temperature taken when they got back aboard?


They had a port call in Vietnam. At the time Vietnam had a few cases but they were not in the vicinity of the port call. Sailing schedules of fleet ships are rather complex so I'm assuming an admiral gave the go ahead for the visit.

Of course, the virus could have arrived via another method as well. It's a carrier. People fly on and off of them on a daily basis. I wonder if they went through arrival passenger manifests and did testing on those people. That would be the most likely scenario in my opinion.
 
2020-04-05 4:24:31 PM  
Why the fark are you feeding it just ignore the motherfarker
 
2020-04-05 4:25:59 PM  

Alien Robot: How did the ship get infected in the first place? Did he do something stupid like deciding to put into an Asian port in the midst of a pandemic? Did he go do something even more stupid like deciding that it was OK to give shore liberty as long as the sailors had their temperature taken when they got back aboard?


You realize you're a go

powhound: Alien Robot: How did the ship get infected in the first place? Did he do something stupid like deciding to put into an Asian port in the midst of a pandemic? Did he go do something even more stupid like deciding that it was OK to give shore liberty as long as the sailors had their temperature taken when they got back aboard?

They had a port call in Vietnam. At the time Vietnam had a few cases but they were not in the vicinity of the port call. Sailing schedules of fleet ships are rather complex so I'm assuming an admiral gave the go ahead for the visit.

Of course, the virus could have arrived via another method as well. It's a carrier. People fly on and off of them on a daily basis. I wonder if they went through arrival passenger manifests and did testing on those people. That would be the most likely scenario in my opinion.


The robotic one is moronic idiotic and a bad faith poster.  He/She/It knows that.  It's like saying that the Commander of Fort Benning should have locked the Fort down because a few people in Columbus had cases of it.

But you know, trolls gotta troll.
 
2020-04-05 4:26:50 PM  

KingBiefWhistle: Why the fark are you feeding it just ignore the motherfarker


Yeah... I know... bleh.
 
2020-04-05 4:29:59 PM  

KingBiefWhistle: Why the fark are you feeding it just ignore the motherfarker

 
2020-04-05 4:30:39 PM  

northgrave: The thing that I found interesting was Trump's comments that "This isn't a class on literature. This is a captain of a massive ship that's nuclear-powered. He shouldn't be talking that way in a letter," and "the letter was all over the place."
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/br​ett-cozier-trump-terrible-coronavirus-​warship_n_5e8908d1c5b6cc1e47769d8e

This led me to find and read the letter myself. It is available here:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/ar​ticle/Exclusive-Captain-of-aircraft-ca​rrier-with-15167883.php

While this may seem like such a small issue to parse given all that is going on, Trump's assessment of this letter is testimony to his illiteracy. The document is clearly written, well structured, and extremely focused. It efficiently lays out the nature and extent of the problem. I know that Trump often just makes mouth noises, but Trump's specific complaints about the writing infers that he doesn't have the ability, or the care, to stick with writing that should be accessible to an average junior high student. I know, I know - stuff we already knew. It is just such a striking example.


"was all over the place" could be a reference to being shared overly broadly, not that it lacks focus.
"shouldn't be talking that way" is related to the content being shared.

There are pretty serious restrictions on who you can complain to in the military for morale, security, and other reasons.

There are plenty of moral and ethical issues, but we can't have our navy declaring that they are likely to be understrength in a couple of weeks due to feckless leadership.  Whether it is true or not is irrelevant.
 
2020-04-05 4:30:58 PM  

Alien Robot: Odd Bird: IIRC, and please correct me if I am, he was relieved of command because he complained about his superiors inaction through external channels (i.e. public).

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/us/​politics/coronavirus-brett-crozier-the​odore-roosevelt.html

I do not wish the Captain ill or judge his actions, but if you air concerns about the immediate readiness of the military and you're in the military that has to go up the chain.  Maybe he knew this and was willing to sacrifice his command out of concern for the welfare of those under him.  Command cannot allow some things into the public domain.

Godspeed Captain, I hope you kick this thing quickly.

This. Declaring one of America's aircraft carriers combat ineffective to the press before you inform your chain of command is asking to be dismissed. But then, there's a book deal and defense commentator job at MSNBC waiting for him...


So you are saying that trump, the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of the Navy are all so Incompetent that they don't know what is going on with a nuclear aircraft carrier until they read it in the news?   That sounds like the kind of incompetence that should lead to impeachment.  Real leaders take responsibility, they don't look for scapegoats.
 
2020-04-05 4:31:58 PM  

Ambivalence: Butterflew: Can he sue for this? How many more are sick on that ship? This is a nightmare. I'm so tired of this shiatty government. If we survive this I might have to move. I don't trust our federal government and that's an enormous problem.

It's the military, of course he can't sue. You can't even sue military doctors for malpractice.


A lady on Fort Leavenworth who worked at the post health center was assaulted by one of her civilian employees. He poured gasoline on her and lit her on fire. She has not been able to sue for her medical expenses either. It's a long-standing doctrine.
 
2020-04-05 4:34:14 PM  

northgrave: forgotmydamnusername: Ambivalence: Butterflew: Can he sue for this? How many more are sick on that ship? This is a nightmare. I'm so tired of this shiatty government. If we survive this I might have to move. I don't trust our federal government and that's an enormous problem.

It's the military, of course he can't sue. You can't even sue military doctors for malpractice.

Trump could intervene, as he has done in other military personnel decisions, but I'm sure he won't. Captain Crozier didn't film himself desecrating the corpses of any brown people that I'm aware of.

Disclaimer: I've tried to stay away from the COVID news, but this caught my eye. Sorry if this ground has been well trodden here.


The thing that I found interesting was Trump's comments that "This isn't a class on literature. This is a captain of a massive ship that's nuclear-powered. He shouldn't be talking that way in a letter," and "the letter was all over the place."
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/br​ett-cozier-trump-terrible-coronavirus-​warship_n_5e8908d1c5b6cc1e47769d8e

This led me to find and read the letter myself. It is available here:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/ar​ticle/Exclusive-Captain-of-aircraft-ca​rrier-with-15167883.php

While this may seem like such a small issue to parse given all that is going on, Trump's assessment of this letter is testimony to his illiteracy. The document is clearly written, well structured, and extremely focused. It efficiently lays out the nature and extent of the problem. I know that Trump often just makes mouth noises, but Trump's specific complaints about the writing infers that he doesn't have the ability, or the care, to stick with writing that should be accessible to an average junior high student. I know, I know - stuff we already knew. It is just such a striking example.


That's one of his tells -- making vague accusations about something he hasn't actually looked into. He says "it's a mess" or "it's all over the place" or even "it's a disaster" to convince people to dismiss it as not credible or important. But he can't cite anything in it. He didn't read it and doesn't know what's in it. He just knows it's critical of him so he has to devalue it anyway he can.
 
2020-04-05 4:38:37 PM  

Ishkur: lem. I know that Trump often just makes mouth noises, but Trump's specific complaints about the writing infers that he doesn't have the ability, or the care, to stick with writing that should be accessible to an average junior high student. I know, I know - stuff we already knew. It is just such a striking example.


That's one of his tells -- making vague accusations about something he hasn't actually looked into. He says "it's a mess" or "it's all over the place" or even "it's a disaster" to convince people to dismiss it as not credible or important. But he can't cite anything in it. He didn't read it and doesn't know what's in it. He just knows it's critical of him so he has to devalue it anyway he can.


I bet he's "never seen anything like it" too.
 
2020-04-05 4:39:56 PM  

Odd Bird: IIRC, and please correct me if I am, he was relieved of command because he complained about his superiors inaction through external channels (i.e. public).

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/us/​politics/coronavirus-brett-crozier-the​odore-roosevelt.html

I do not wish the Captain ill or judge his actions, but if you air concerns about the immediate readiness of the military and you're in the military that has to go up the chain.  Maybe he knew this and was willing to sacrifice his command out of concern for the welfare of those under him.  Command cannot allow some things into the public domain.

Godspeed Captain, I hope you kick this thing quickly.


Yes. The two military I know both immediately said he'd be fired within 2 sentences of talking about the story. One of them is a 28 yr old millenial that did intel in Iraq, the other is a Sea Bee, Corp of Engineers and is 81. So I gather this is kind of a "It Is Known" thing in the military.
 
2020-04-05 4:47:29 PM  

Odd Bird: IIRC, and please correct me if I am, he was relieved of command because he complained about his superiors inaction through external channels (i.e. public).

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/us/​politics/coronavirus-brett-crozier-the​odore-roosevelt.html

I do not wish the Captain ill or judge his actions, but if you air concerns about the immediate readiness of the military and you're in the military that has to go up the chain.  Maybe he knew this and was willing to sacrifice his command out of concern for the welfare of those under him.  Command cannot allow some things into the public domain.

Godspeed Captain, I hope you kick this thing quickly.


This is true.

You can also be certain that a naval officer sufficiently advanced in his career to command an aircraft carrier is aware of such things.

What, then, is your conclusion about the captain's motivations for writing this public letter that he knew without a doubt would cost him his career?
 
2020-04-05 4:48:30 PM  

northgrave: forgotmydamnusername: Ambivalence: Butterflew: Can he sue for this? How many more are sick on that ship? This is a nightmare. I'm so tired of this shiatty government. If we survive this I might have to move. I don't trust our federal government and that's an enormous problem.

It's the military, of course he can't sue. You can't even sue military doctors for malpractice.

Trump could intervene, as he has done in other military personnel decisions, but I'm sure he won't. Captain Crozier didn't film himself desecrating the corpses of any brown people that I'm aware of.

Disclaimer: I've tried to stay away from the COVID news, but this caught my eye. Sorry if this ground has been well trodden here.


The thing that I found interesting was Trump's comments that "This isn't a class on literature. This is a captain of a massive ship that's nuclear-powered. He shouldn't be talking that way in a letter," and "the letter was all over the place."
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/br​ett-cozier-trump-terrible-coronavirus-​warship_n_5e8908d1c5b6cc1e47769d8e

This led me to find and read the letter myself. It is available here:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/ar​ticle/Exclusive-Captain-of-aircraft-ca​rrier-with-15167883.php

While this may seem like such a small issue to parse given all that is going on, Trump's assessment of this letter is testimony to his illiteracy. The document is clearly written, well structured, and extremely focused. It efficiently lays out the nature and extent of the problem. I know that Trump often just makes mouth noises, but Trump's specific complaints about the writing infers that he doesn't have the ability, or the care, to stick with writing that should be accessible to an average junior high student. I know, I know - stuff we already knew. It is just such a striking example.


I know this is shocking, but Trump never actually read the letter. He's just repeating whatever he HEARD about the letter.
 
2020-04-05 4:51:52 PM  

qorkfiend: Odd Bird: IIRC, and please correct me if I am, he was relieved of command because he complained about his superiors inaction through external channels (i.e. public).

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/us/​politics/coronavirus-brett-crozier-the​odore-roosevelt.html

I do not wish the Captain ill or judge his actions, but if you air concerns about the immediate readiness of the military and you're in the military that has to go up the chain.  Maybe he knew this and was willing to sacrifice his command out of concern for the welfare of those under him.  Command cannot allow some things into the public domain.

Godspeed Captain, I hope you kick this thing quickly.

This is true.

You can also be certain that a naval officer sufficiently advanced in his career to command an aircraft carrier is aware of such things.

What, then, is your conclusion about the captain's motivations for writing this public letter that he knew without a doubt would cost him his career?


This.

When you get to the point of your career where you are the skipper of a friggen aircraft carrier, you are well aware of protocol and the consequences for breaking it.

He knew what it would cost him.
 
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