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2020-04-05 9:21:49 AM  
Well, Bernie's campaign managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, thanks to those same advisors.  There's quite the schism in Bernie's campaign staff, which is very unfortunate for those without healthcare.

The stories will come out after the election.
 
2020-04-05 10:15:24 AM  
Bernie had peak leverage on the Wednesday after Super Tuesday.

What's he gonna get now. Hell it might not even make the news
 
2020-04-05 10:16:28 AM  
A vote for Biden is NOT throwing in the towel on Medicare for all.
 
2020-04-05 10:26:38 AM  
The primaries aren't even news now. Biden had it locked. Reposition the resources for winning in November already.
 
2020-04-05 11:08:02 AM  

edmo: The primaries aren't even news now. Biden had it locked. Reposition the resources for winning in November already.


Yep.  The primaries were over after Super Tuesday.  Time for the Bernie Brigade to suck it up and take one for Team America.

Oh, and if you think there's no difference between Trump and Biden after the last month?  You're a farking idiot.
 
2020-04-05 11:26:35 AM  

mactheknife: edmo: The primaries aren't even news now. Biden had it locked. Reposition the resources for winning in November already.

Yep.  The primaries were over after Super Tuesday.  Time for the Bernie Brigade to suck it up and take one for Team America.

Oh, and if you think there's no difference between Trump and Biden after the last month?  You're a farking idiot.


The difference is that Trump doesn't show signs of sundowning.
 
2020-04-05 11:27:22 AM  

Gubbo: Bernie had peak leverage on the Wednesday after Super Tuesday.

What's he gonna get now. Hell it might not even make the news


He's little more tan a sideshow curiosity.
 
2020-04-05 11:34:25 AM  

lycanth: mactheknife: edmo: Oh, and if you think there's no difference between Trump and Biden after the last month?  You're a farking idiot.

The difference is that Trump doesn't show signs of sundowning.


Maybe not, but he DOES exhibit the signs of Antisocial Personality Disorder, Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and Borderline and Histrionic traits that would earn him Robert Hare's Gold Seal of Approval on the Psychopathology Check List - Revised, so there's that.

And I was being nice; Trump exhibits classic symptoms of hypertensive dementia.
 
2020-04-05 12:26:16 PM  

Byno: lycanth: mactheknife: edmo: Oh, and if you think there's no difference between Trump and Biden after the last month?  You're a farking idiot.

The difference is that Trump doesn't show signs of sundowning.

Maybe not, but he DOES exhibit the signs of Antisocial Personality Disorder, Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and Borderline and Histrionic traits that would earn him Robert Hare's Gold Seal of Approval on the Psychopathology Check List - Revised, so there's that.

And I was being nice; Trump exhibits classic symptoms of hypertensive dementia.


And, he and his supporters are just assholes.
 
2020-04-05 12:26:53 PM  
No. Stay in and pull the conversation left. A pandemic is a crisis that strongly illustrates why we need universal healthcare and universal basic income.

The benefits of pulling the conversation left until the very end vastly outweigh the face saved by withdrawing.
 
2020-04-05 12:27:39 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: A vote for Biden is NOT throwing in the towel on Medicare for all.


According to some people on FARK, it's just as much a vote for Trump as if you pulled the lever for him.

That shows how goddamned delusional some people are.  To equate Biden with Trump is the sign of a diseased mind

.

lycanth: The difference is that Trump doesn't show signs of sundowning.


Case in point.
 
2020-04-05 12:29:07 PM  
I can tell this is going to be a reasoned and rational debate about Bernie dropping out. I just feel that this is the moment we turn the corner.
 
2020-04-05 12:29:27 PM  

Gubbo: Bernie had peak leverage on the Wednesday after Super Tuesday.

What's he gonna get now. Hell it might not even make the news


Nothing. He gets nothing. To get things you need to offer your support to the winner when it means something and is useful for leverage and party unity against the opposition. At this point he's a sideshow that's proven his support now is less, not more, than it was in 2016. A paper candidate. A distraction.
 
2020-04-05 12:31:02 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: A vote for Biden is NOT throwing in the towel on Medicare for all.


With Biden, we won't gain any traction on it for another 8 years. He has come out against it time and time again.
 
2020-04-05 12:31:05 PM  

lycanth: mactheknife: edmo: The primaries aren't even news now. Biden had it locked. Reposition the resources for winning in November already.

Yep.  The primaries were over after Super Tuesday.  Time for the Bernie Brigade to suck it up and take one for Team America.

Oh, and if you think there's no difference between Trump and Biden after the last month?  You're a farking idiot.

The difference is that Trump doesn't show signs of sundowning.


Lol. GTFO.😂
 
2020-04-05 12:31:16 PM  
I'll get the popcorn. This thread is gonna be a doozy.
 
2020-04-05 12:31:37 PM  
OMG U H8 BERNIE!!!!1

/just getting it out of the way
 
2020-04-05 12:31:50 PM  
This thread is gonna be dildos.  They always are.

Good for Bernie if he withdraws, and good for him for doing what he's done toward a more progressive America.  I can't believe anybody would want to inherit Trumps barrel of shiat - even if the COVID response is perfect from here on out, things are going to be monumentally farked up.  But that's what Democrats do, they clean up GOP messes.
 
2020-04-05 12:31:52 PM  

bluejeansonfire: The benefits of pulling the conversation left needlessly extending a primary that can't be wonuntil the very end vastly outweigh absolutely nothing and give Trump a better chance ot winning re-electionthe face saved by withdrawing.


There, inserted a little reality there.

This election is no longer a matter of which philosophy you may believe in, but a literal life and death situation. Tens, if not hundreds of people will die that could have been saved if Trump were not in office. Keeping him in office guarantees more people will die, more businesses will fail, and the economy will take much longer to recover.

Arguing shades of gray don't matter when faced with an existential threat to the survival of our country and our citizens.
 
2020-04-05 12:33:02 PM  
He's not going to pull out, for the same reason that our resident Bernie fans aren't going to shut up. People like that never shut up and go away voluntarily. They just keep doubling down until someone forces them to stop.
 
2020-04-05 12:33:06 PM  
I can't imagine anyone wanting to play clean up behind the shiat show that's been going on for the past 3 + years , But I will support whoever it is that puts Trump out of office ..
 
2020-04-05 12:33:13 PM  
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2020-04-05 12:33:25 PM  

bluejeansonfire: No. Stay in and pull the conversation left.


i haven't heard a single thing Bernie has had to say for the past month.  He isn't pulling shiat.
 
2020-04-05 12:33:43 PM  

SuperSeriousMan: Tens, if not hundreds of people will die


Forgot to add "thousands" there.
 
2020-04-05 12:35:28 PM  

AsparagusFTW: I'll get the popcorn. This thread is gonna be a doozy.


Got any of that white cheddar popcorn seasoning?
 
2020-04-05 12:35:33 PM  
If Biden continues to win after coming out against Medicare For All during a public health crisis, then we deserve what we get.

So many people are going to be without health insurance. What happens if something non-coronavirus-related happens during this time? What if somebody who got fired and can't get on public health insurance until November breaks an arm? They're utterly farked, financially.

Bernie should stay in because this perfectly illustrates exactly why we need Medicare For All and why Biden should not win.
 
2020-04-05 12:35:38 PM  
The media is claiming that those close to Bernie are asking him to do what the media have been demanding with no back up from interviews.

I know i'm not shocked.
 
2020-04-05 12:36:46 PM  

GregInIndy: Gubbo: Bernie had peak leverage on the Wednesday after Super Tuesday.

What's he gonna get now. Hell it might not even make the news

Nothing. He gets nothing. To get things you need to offer your support to the winner when it means something and is useful for leverage and party unity against the opposition. At this point he's a sideshow that's proven his support now is less, not more, than it was in 2016. A paper candidate. A distraction.


You've gone too far to the extreme there

He still has a base of 30% that you need to show up for the general. So you have to reach out to them.

Sanders just played this all wrong from a politics point of view.
 
2020-04-05 12:36:50 PM  

hodgemann: Well, Bernie's campaign managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, thanks to those same advisors.  There's quite the schism in Bernie's campaign staff, which is very unfortunate for those without healthcare.

The stories will come out after the election.


He never had victory.

We all believed his platform was more popular than it was because we underestimated how hated Hillary was (hard to believe and accept I know). Well, this is definitely true for the subset of voters who show up for primaries. If there is a good explanation for why progressives are more likely than moderates to skip primaries but not generals I've yet to hear it.

There is really nothing more to it. Silly phrases like snatching defeat from the jaws of victory are meaningless.
 
2020-04-05 12:36:59 PM  

Krieghund: bluejeansonfire: No. Stay in and pull the conversation left.

i haven't heard a single thing Bernie has had to say for the past month.  He isn't pulling shiat.


For the past month, he's been doing the work on the Coronavirus relief bills.

What has Biden been doing, other than telling people their reality isn't valid because it shouldn't be that way?
 
2020-04-05 12:37:11 PM  

sillydragon: AsparagusFTW: I'll get the popcorn. This thread is gonna be a doozy.

Got any of that white cheddar popcorn seasoning?


Just the ranch seasoning.

I love stovetop popcorn. Just salt and a dash of garlic powder is all you really need. It's fantastic.
 
2020-04-05 12:37:42 PM  
Either of them could kick the bucket over COVID. No one is dropping out any time soon.
 
2020-04-05 12:37:51 PM  
Yeah, dropout now Bernie ... and save yourself for a 2024 run.

Uh huh.
 
2020-04-05 12:37:54 PM  
Donald Trump is going to win in 2020. I will do everything in my power to stop Trump from winning but I believe he will.

Dems are going to consecutively trot out the only two people that could have lost a political campaign to Donald Trump.

Here's how its going to happen. Biden will continue to sundown every live on TV during debates and Trump will walk all over him in the eyes of the majority of stupid americans. Trump knows how to talk around his stupidity and Biden does not. Sure Trump sounds stupid to intelligent people but it sounds right to idiots and the US has a shiat ton of idiots. The response to Covid-19 will be spun as a success when the death toll is less than 100k in the US. Lots of "progressive leftists" will vote Trump in some moronic attempt to "smash the system" because they cant figure out smashing the system in the wrong direction is actually worse than slow progress
 
2020-04-05 12:39:22 PM  

sinner4ever: The media is claiming that those close to Bernie are asking him to do what the media have been demanding with no back up from interviews.

I know i'm not shocked.


Wapo is in the bag for the establishment dem e'erytime.

I like Abe Lincoln's Top Hat. You have to use spotify, ptooie, to listen to it, but it's great.  It's nice to know that other people see the same shiat I see.
 
2020-04-05 12:39:57 PM  

mactheknife: edmo: The primaries aren't even news now. Biden had it locked. Reposition the resources for winning in November already.

Yep.  The primaries were over after Super Tuesday.  Time for the Bernie Brigade to suck it up and take one for Team America.

Oh, and if you think there's no difference between Trump and Biden after the last month?  You're a farking idiot.


Definitely the week after that.

The entire argument by folks from 2016 to a month ago was Bernie's Midwest superiority for purple states like mine. That was the lynchpin to any arguments that his platform was more electable in a general election. That MI, PA, WI, OH were just champing at the bit to go socialist and heavily turned off by moderates.
 
2020-04-05 12:41:11 PM  

misanthropicsob: If Biden continues to win after coming out against Medicare For All during a public health crisis, then we deserve what we get.

So many people are going to be without health insurance. What happens if something non-coronavirus-related happens during this time? What if somebody who got fired and can't get on public health insurance until November breaks an arm? They're utterly farked, financially.

Bernie should stay in because this perfectly illustrates exactly why we need Medicare For All and why Biden should not win.


Go away. Biden's position on Medicare for All is pretty clearly based on what he thinks he can actually accomplish, and not on the merits of the program if he was able to magically enact it. We don't need Bernie's magical thinking in a time of crisis.
 
2020-04-05 12:41:33 PM  

hodgemann: Well, Bernie's campaign managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, thanks to those same advisors.  There's quite the schism in Bernie's campaign staff, which is very unfortunate for those without healthcare.

The stories will come out after the election.


I would prefer to call it a big money backed DNC Appointment.
 
2020-04-05 12:41:41 PM  

misanthropicsob: SecretAgentWoman: A vote for Biden is NOT throwing in the towel on Medicare for all.

With Biden, we won't gain any traction on it for another 8 years. He has come out against it time and time again.


And 2008 Obama was opposed to same-sex marriage.

Incrementalism isn't great, but sometimes it's literally the best we can work for.
 
2020-04-05 12:41:50 PM  

misanthropicsob: If Biden continues to win after coming out against Medicare For All during a public health crisis, then we deserve what we get.

So many people are going to be without health insurance. What happens if something non-coronavirus-related happens during this time? What if somebody who got fired and can't get on public health insurance until November breaks an arm? They're utterly farked, financially.

Bernie should stay in because this perfectly illustrates exactly why we need Medicare For All and why Biden should not win.


No. Bernie was never the guy. You said it yourself if after all this, if Bernie can't even make a dent in the American psyche for Medicare for all or for any of his progressive policies when reality is screaming this man is right and he is offering everything the country should be doing to right itself then this country is too farking stupid/greedy/selfish/shiatty to deserve being a first world country.
 
2020-04-05 12:42:10 PM  

accountblocked: Donald Trump is going to win in 2020. I will do everything in my power to stop Trump from winning but I believe he will.

Dems are going to consecutively trot out the only two people that could have lost a political campaign to Donald Trump.

Here's how its going to happen. Biden will continue to sundown every live on TV during debates and Trump will walk all over him in the eyes of the majority of stupid americans. Trump knows how to talk around his stupidity and Biden does not. Sure Trump sounds stupid to intelligent people but it sounds right to idiots and the US has a shiat ton of idiots. The response to Covid-19 will be spun as a success when the death toll is less than 100k in the US. Lots of "progressive leftists" will vote Trump in some moronic attempt to "smash the system" because they cant figure out smashing the system in the wrong direction is actually worse than slow progress


/knocks fervently on wood
 
MFK
2020-04-05 12:42:16 PM  
If i was a betting man, i'd say that Sanders is going to try and stay in at least through June in order to run out the clock avoid filing deadlines for his personal financial disclosures to the FEC like he did last time he ran for president.

VT Digger had a pretty good write up on this in 2016: https://vtdigger.org/2016/08/18​/bernie​-sanders-beat-clock-avoided-disclosure​/

the TL;DR version is that instead of disclosing the financials to the FEC mid-May as required by law, Sanders asked for a 45 day extension which was granted, asked for and got another extension to july and then when he dropped out he said "oh I'm not running anymore so I don't actually have to file one" and he's technically correct.
 
2020-04-05 12:42:49 PM  

misanthropicsob: What has Biden been doing


Winning. Just quietly winning the Primary. Not much else to do until Sanders does the right thing, shows some class and dignity by leaving the race when he knows he's been beaten.

I don't see how it furthers anyone's cause to have him beaten silly in State after State, especially when he does so poorly in States he won in '16.
 
2020-04-05 12:43:17 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: A vote for Biden is NOT throwing in the towel on Medicare for all.


Watch him on youtube say otherwise.
 
2020-04-05 12:43:25 PM  
It doesn't matter. No matter what happens in November, anything that isn't a re-electing Trump and a Republican sweep of the Senate will be rejected outright by the Republicans and no one will do anything about it.

Welcome to how it really is now. If you don't like it, you are going to have to physically and violent fight against it. That's what's really coming.

And no matter who you think you are, you helped.

Have a day.
 
2020-04-05 12:43:43 PM  

El_Dan: Biden's position on Medicare for All is pretty clearly based on what he thinks he can actually accomplish, and not on the merits of the program if he was able to magically enact it. We don't need Bernie's magical thinking in a time of crisis.


No, he has said he would not sign the bill if it came across his desk. That's not "not supporting" the bill based on whether or not it would pass; that's being against it regardless of its merits and possible success.
 
2020-04-05 12:44:11 PM  

edmo: The primaries aren't even news now. Biden had it locked. Reposition the resources for winning in November already.


Biden and the big money backed DNC
 
2020-04-05 12:44:25 PM  

Gubbo: GregInIndy: Gubbo: Bernie had peak leverage on the Wednesday after Super Tuesday.

What's he gonna get now. Hell it might not even make the news

Nothing. He gets nothing. To get things you need to offer your support to the winner when it means something and is useful for leverage and party unity against the opposition. At this point he's a sideshow that's proven his support now is less, not more, than it was in 2016. A paper candidate. A distraction.

You've gone too far to the extreme there

He still has a base of 30% that you need to show up for the general. So you have to reach out to them.

Sanders just played this all wrong from a politics point of view.


30%??

>10%. Less than that. Hardcore berners are a tiny fraction of the target voter who are very loud on social media, where they are excellent at antagonizing others on the left who fail their purity tests, but nothing much else.

fark 'em, I say. It's a done deal. Bernie is roadkill. Allocate DNC/Biden resources to winning the national.
 
2020-04-05 12:45:10 PM  
Buddha once asked

Who is more honest?
A  lying Republican that admits who he is or the lying Democrat that pretends to not be a Republican?
 
2020-04-05 12:45:58 PM  

MFK: If i was a betting man, i'd say that Sanders is going to try and stay in at least through June in order to run out the clock avoid filing deadlines for his personal financial disclosures to the FEC like he did last time he ran for president.

VT Digger had a pretty good write up on this in 2016: https://vtdigger.org/2016/08/18/​bernie-sanders-beat-clock-avoided-disc​losure/

the TL;DR version is that instead of disclosing the financials to the FEC mid-May as required by law, Sanders asked for a 45 day extension which was granted, asked for and got another extension to july and then when he dropped out he said "oh I'm not running anymore so I don't actually have to file one" and he's technically correct.


Is there ever a time when you're not bashing Democrats?
 
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